Cyberpunk 2077 tweet makes light hearted joke about gender spectrum [up: tweet deleted]

I'm sorry you never grew up from being that little child with the "no girls allowed" sign on his kickass fort throwing a tantrum because mommy said you should let your sister play, too. "Politics" has always existed in your fucking hobby as long as you've been alive or longer because what you define as politics is just everyday existence for people. Like people like you don't fire up the fucking mob against devs for some other dumb shit like graphics or gameplay features. But when some woman thinks there's an offensive portrayal of a marginalized group well then that's politics. Games can be massive misogynist testosterone factories for decades but when devs realize they need to add women to their creative teams suddenly that's fucking politics. Check your privilege. More representation across a spectrum of art and media isn't politics. That's life. Grow up.
Oops, I think your empathy mask is kind of getting crooked. I can see your REEEEE face. I know at this point you're fishing for attention but here, just so we can end this charade and move on. While it was always a male dominated hobby, females have always been a part of gaming culture and this has not changed for the last three decades. Your side of the internet's constant push to change the narrative is pathetic. Get back to your containment forum.
 
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So as of now this aology tweet has over 2.1k comments the other one had not even 500 before it was deleted. Yeah the apology clearly helped to get things going again. Oh wait of course it did not.
 
Sure a trans person on twitter might be more privileged than one that doesn't have access to that, like someone kicked out of their home for who they are and living on the streets because of it. But because of the society we live in a trans person on twitter isn't going to be as privileged on average as some white cis-gendered person on twitter. That's just a fact.

What exactly defines looking to be offended? If I'm a trans person following a game company that is releasing a game that I might purchase and I see something that offends me from them because it cuts to the core of my existence and makes fun of my life am I looking to be offended just for being there? Like if a black person is sitting in a restaurant and the person next to them starts spouting the N word over and over are they looking to be offended? If a woman's boss says she should get back in the kitchen while she's giving a presentation to the board is she looking to be offended?

By the same token we exist on message boards where news gets to us. If a feature of a game you don't like comes up as a post were you looking to be angry at that feature? Or lack of feature? Were you looking not to purchase? Or did that information just enter your sphere of existence and you reacted logically to it?
What CDPR tweeted is not the equivalent of screaming nigger to my face. I, as a black person know that. You know that. Trans people know that. Everyone with a fucking brain knows that.

CDPR didn't direct this at a trans person or even say it in a mocking way. They made a humourous quip at another person's comments.

Unless trans people are incredibly thin skinned, I highly doubt they are as traumatized by this as you believe they are.
 
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. A joke about the inconvenience of misgendering someone has nothing to do with trans people but only feminists? What the fuck?

And what in hell do you have against feminists? "Oh those people want equal rights for women. Fuck them! They suck!" I'm sorry they're invading your precious boys club. Grow up.

Feminism does not necessarily equate to egalitarianism. There are multiple feminist groups that are openly misandrist in nature and wish to demean the other sex, not create equality. This is an issue with a number of people here. However, just because they dislike what they perceive feminism to currently be doesn't mean they do not wish for equality. You can be against feminism, but still be for egalitarianism.

The one that needs to "grow up" here is you. Your responses are needlessly hostile and full of disingenuous assertions and false claims.

I'm sorry you never grew up from being that little child with the "no girls allowed" sign on his kickass fort throwing a tantrum because mommy said you should let your sister play, too. "Politics" has always existed in your fucking hobby as long as you've been alive or longer because what you define as politics is just everyday existence for people. Like people like you don't fire up the fucking mob against devs for some other dumb shit like graphics or gameplay features. But when some woman thinks there's an offensive portrayal of a marginalized group well then that's politics. Games can be massive misogynist testosterone factories for decades but when devs realize they need to add women to their creative teams suddenly that's fucking politics. Check your privilege. More representation across a spectrum of art and media isn't politics. That's life. Grow up.

How exactly was RedHelios suggesting that Gaming should be a "boys club", devoid of "girls"? Also "your" hobby? Do you mean gaming is not a hobby for you, despite the fact that you have been on a gaming website for nine years now? Anyways, that is getting offtopic. Yes, politics have existed in gaming since the early days. We have had people push back and try to ban/remove things that they had personal issues with, despite them not actually being issues. Custer's Revenge, Splatterhouse, Grand Theft Auto 3, and others have all been targets by politicians, lawyers, and various groups. They all tried to play up the "issues" and speak for large sections of the populous that are "offended" by the particular game. This should sound very familiar as it is exactly what you are doing.

You have clear personal issues with certain parts of gaming, which is perfectly fine on its own. However, the issue comes when you try to conflate your own personal issues and speak for large sections of the community. In this case, the female and trans groups. You have gone on record multiple times in this very thread making sweeping generalizations of both the female and trans communities being offended and how things "need to be changed to appeal more to them" (read: you as you speak for yourself and not for these groups).

I will reiterate what I stated above: The one that needs to "grow up" here is you. Your responses are needlessly hostile and full of disingenuous assertions and false claims.
 
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Companies need to stop Twitter these days.

It's too damn risky with outrage and weaponization in full force.
The Twitter demographic is much more different now than it was a few years ago and there just isn't an upside for businesses anymore — it is needless risk exposure.
 
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Companies need to stop Twitter these days.

It's too damn risky with outrage and weaoonization in full force.
The Twitter demographic is much more different now than it was a few years ago and there just isn't an upside for businesses anymore — it is needless risk exposure.
Unfortunately, it's too good for PR. It's advertisement with very low costs.
 
Unfortunately, it's too good for PR. It's advertisement with very low costs.

Low costs on the surface. But then some twitter outrage professional will find something or twist something or find a statement your company didn't make but should have made....... then the cost becomes apparent.

The people on Twitter are probably not the people many companies want to advertise to.
 
Imagine a leftist utopia.. the comedy club would be right next to the graveyard. Pack of soft centred front holes.

This really isn't a left wing/right wing issue in my mind. It's about not being so damned sensitive and wrapped up in yourself and thinking that everything is a direct attack on you. It's about not being a millennial fuckwit who needs to tout their personal agenda on Facebook just to feel better when your head hits the pillow at night.

I like to think of myself as a progressive lib but I'm able to take a goddamned joke. I guess that's why I'm now fucking permabanned from that other limp wristed hand forum that was created a few months ago.
 
What CDPR tweeted is not the equivalent of screaming nigger to my face. I, as a black person know that. You know that. Trans people know that. Everyone with a fucking brain knows that.

CDPR didn't direct this at a trans person or even say it in a mocking way. They made a humourous quip at another person's comments.

Unless trans people are incredibly thin skinned, I highly doubt they are as traumatized by this as you believe they are.

Sure, it's probably not the equivalent of "nigger." The other equivocation I made was closer. It's like making a "go back to the kitchen" joke around a woman or maybe a watermelon joke around a black person. It's completely insensitive and most people would be offended by that. The joke itself is mocking. How do you say that joke in an un-mocking way? Like seriously I don't understand. The entire joke is mocking trans people.

Yes, people aren't "traumatized," but that doesn't mean we should perpetuate hateful mocking caricatures that continue transphobic beliefs. Just like a black person isn't 'traumatized' by a joke about watermelon or a woman wouldn't be 'traumatized' about a kitchen joke. That doesn't mean it isn't offensive. You don't need to be traumatized to think what someone said is in poor taste and they should apologize because it's hurtful.
 
In my therory people who were offended by this would have not bought it in the first place. Example Austin Walker who would have just demanded a free press copy or he will write an awful article how they did not get a free press copy. People who are now outraged are mostly gamer most gamer hate PC culture.

You can see this result with Battlefiled V right now. Will it be as bad? No it will not but I am sure it will not help them at all that they deleted the tweet. Again this outrage the comments etc are now much much more than they were before.
Your theory is terribly flawed and probably flat out incorrect. It assumes that the only people who were upset weren't gamers and weren't going to buy it in the first place. It is a baseless assumption that you are in no position to make. Them deleting the tweet will have absolutely no effect on sales. Especially since most of these "gamers" who "hate PC culture" you talk about make fun of people for boycotting games over dumb stuff, right? so it would just be hypocritical for them to boycott a game over deleting a tweet.

Your battlefield example makes no sense, especially in this context, and I'm going to be honest your poor grammar doesn't help. I assume you're tying to say "look battlefield has bad preorder numbers because it has a female on the cover how dare they give into PC culture." Right? I think that's what you're trying to say.

Honestly I don't know what to say. You're the kind of person who would not have survived on old gaf. And I don't mean that as a compliment to new gaf. Why does it bother you so much that they deleted the tweet? If you weren't offended ok whatever. You're not a transgender person so you're not really in a position to be offended by that joke. They recognized the tweet was somewhat offensive and deleted it. They meant no harm and did the right thing. Why are you so upset about that? Why is it so important to you that they don't apologize? Why are you making a big deal about how this will effect sales while going out of your way to say there was no way sales would have been effected if they kept the tweet up?

I saw a few posts in the thread, but this one stood out to me:
Holy Jesus Christ how was that even offending?
Btw, happy to see that NeoGaf is back to a decent status. Something like one year and a half ago these pages would have been full of replies like "WELL, LOOKS LIKE I'M NOT GONNA BUY THEIR GAME ANYMORE, TOO BAD"
This couldn't be further from the truth. Go look at the purple site, that's where all those old community members went. They're not organizing some sort of boycott. People are still excited about the game and are still going to buy it. The only person I see claiming that people won't buy it anymore is the first genius I quoted who thinks that because CDPR apologized that some people won't buy the game anymore. Was there some outrage culture on old gaf? sure, but that outrage culture seems to have been replaced by outright bigotry and ignorance. I prefer the former.

But hey if you think a significantly less active site where major game OTs get a fraction of the posts the used to is "back to a decent status" then more power to you I guess.
 
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Check your privilege

See? That's the exact moment people stops respecting you.

Q) What do SJW's eat for breakfast?

A) Frosted Snowflakes.

It's a breakfast joke, so it's cool y'all.

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Unfortunately, it's too good for PR. It's advertisement with very low costs.
The costs are sneaking up on companies. Twitter is the new version of "angry lady writing a Letter to the Editor". It's usually nothing more than public whining in order to get a discount or special treatment. I've also seen people hunt down our execs via LinkedIn which is a special kind of privileged thinking.

It's a lot of work scrambling around to deal with Twitter complaints, and (in my job at least) 99 out of 100 times it is the customer's fault or the customer is not entitled to what they're demanding. On rare occasion you'll get the sort of customer who legitimately "didn't want to go public but I have no choice..."
 
Low costs on the surface. But then some twitter outrage professional will find something or twist something or find a statement your company didn't make but should have made....... then the cost becomes apparent.

The people on Twitter are probably not the people many companies want to advertise to.
There is indeed a dissproportionate amount of Twitter that is full of people wanting an echochamber but (I hope) themajority of them are not there for politics and a lot use it as a news aggregate. I mean, the tweet had 1k likes and 500 comments. Out of those 500 comments a lot of them were poking fun at the people being outraged
Either way I think unless you're someone like Rockstar, Twitter is too useful to give up
This really isn't a left wing/right wing issue in my mind. It's about not being so damned sensitive and wrapped up in yourself and thinking that everything is a direct attack on you. It's about not being a millennial fuckwit who needs to tout their personal agenda on Facebook just to feel better when your head hits the pillow at night.

I like to think of myself as a progressive lib but I'm able to take a goddamned joke. I guess that's why I'm now fucking permabanned from that other limp wristed hand forum that was created a few months ago.
I see it more like this
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The people complaining about this tweet probably were not going to buy the game anyway.

And it was not even a heavy joke.
Sometimes i feel that people don't know how jokes work.
lol calm down. Somebody made a joke on the internet the horror.
Cut the "empathy" crap already. Your pretensions are transparent
Oh, you're actually serious. Oh dear.

You are trying way too hard to impress people who, in the main, simply aren't impressed by your particular brand of empty bullshit and bluster.

But, on the bright side, I know a place where they simply lap this kind of nonsense up. :pie_smfaceyes:

So are you guys trying to make this into the Anti-ResetERA forum or what? R RDreamer is making reasonable points, but now he has to be a troll? How are you guys any better than the other forum that you hate?
 
So are you guys trying to make this into the Anti-ResetERA forum or what? R RDreamer is making reasonable points, but now he has to be a troll? How are you guys any better than the other forum that you hate?
I'm not treating him as a troll, but he's really wrong in this situation. I mean really wrong. I hope that he would respond to me after my last message but he's clearly backed out of the debate.
 
No, he isn't. That's kind of the point.

In the beginning you said he was saying the things he said to impress people. You couldn't even give him the space to believe something that's different from what you think. You said his words were empty.

I'm not treating him as a troll, but he's really wrong in this situation. I mean really wrong. I hope that he would respond to me after my last message but he's clearly backed out of the debate.

What is he wrong about?
 
Sure, it's probably not the equivalent of "nigger."

So you made a bullshit argument that you know was silly...for what. The lulz? How are you not just a troll ?

So much for that empathy you supposedly have so much of.


The other equivocation I made was closer. It's like making a "go back to the kitchen" joke around a woman or maybe a watermelon joke around a black person. It's completely insensitive and most people would be offended by that. The joke itself is mocking. How do you say that joke in an un-mocking way? Like seriously I don't understand. The entire joke is mocking trans people.
Again, you should stop while you're behind. You're stupid comparisons aren't helping your already silly argument.

The joke isn't mocking trans people. It was mocking the tweets they were getting, by making a joke about their word choice. At worst, it was mocking the extremely liberal use of gender pronouns

Yes, people aren't "traumatized,"
really, they aren't traumatized? Than why the hell did you introduce that concept into this thread?

Again, you're supposed empathy leaves a lot to be desired.

but that doesn't mean we should perpetuate hateful mocking caricatures that continue transphobic beliefs. Just like a black person isn't 'traumatized' by a joke about watermelon or a woman wouldn't be 'traumatized' about a kitchen joke. That doesn't mean it isn't offensive. You don't need to be traumatized to think what someone said is in poor taste and they should apologize because it's hurtful.
Here is a crazy concept. Maybe you're extremely narrow view of what someone see's as hateful, isn't as all-encompassing as you seem to believe?

Or maybe trans people can't take any joke, no matter how benign. In the future people should just stick to making jokes about breakfast, right?

Oh come off it. You know the people I've been responding to haven't respected me the entire fucking time.
No I don't respect someone who says anyone who disagrees with them "lacks empathy".

You acted like a child, you get treated like one
 
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I'm not treating him as a troll, but he's really wrong in this situation. I mean really wrong. I hope that he would respond to me after my last message but he's clearly backed out of the debate.
Please provide us with a nice explanation of everything he's wrong about because I read your other post in this thread and you certainly didn't do it there.
 
CP2077 Twitter account posts meme response to a guy a gamescom.



Tl;dr - Some guy tweets at CP2077 saying 'he wants more guys' while referencing a pic of some people and CP2077 responds with 'Did you just assume their gender?'

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A lame eye-rolling joke, sure, but as you can guess, they went ballistic on the other site.

This doesn't deter my interest in the game.


I will buy 3 copies just because of this.
 
In the beginning you said he was saying the things he said to impress people. You couldn't even give him the space to believe something that's different from what you think. You said his words were empty.



What is he wrong about?
They are. He made sweeping generalisations, told people it wasn't up to them to decide what offended trans people (while telling us what offends trans people), said it wasn't up to other people to decide what a light hearted joke is (then told us what a light hearted joke is), all seemingly while in a little tizzy, cursing, implying people are dense etc, etc. Basically, not someone worth wasting time conversing with.

Or, you could go read post number 255 by someone with a lot more patience than I possess.
 
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This.

False altruism is pathetic. Get off the internet and do something constructive with your lives if all you do is seek out things to be offended by.
There are millions of actual things worth getting outraged about.

Hundreds of kids that Trump separated from their parents who STILL have not yet been reunited

China massacring muslims in secret

Pakistan killing trans people in secret

Saudi Arabia massacring yemeni's by the busloads with the US's help

Saudia Arabia executing nonviolent women protesters for daring to walk around without a tarp on in public while the US does nothing to stop them

North Koreas slave concentration camps for family members of people that protested against Kim

Reality winner, potheads and countless others getting locked up for years and having their lives ruined for nonviolent crimes

So many more actual outragous things happening than bad twitter jokes
 
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Sure, it's probably not the equivalent of "nigger." The other equivocation I made was closer. It's like making a "go back to the kitchen" joke around a woman or maybe a watermelon joke around a black person. It's completely insensitive and most people would be offended by that. The joke itself is mocking. How do you say that joke in an un-mocking way? Like seriously I don't understand. The entire joke is mocking trans people.

Yes, people aren't "traumatized," but that doesn't mean we should perpetuate hateful mocking caricatures that continue transphobic beliefs. Just like a black person isn't 'traumatized' by a joke about watermelon or a woman wouldn't be 'traumatized' about a kitchen joke. That doesn't mean it isn't offensive. You don't need to be traumatized to think what someone said is in poor taste and they should apologize because it's hurtful.

Of course it's mocking. That's the nature of jokes. Try to tell a joke that isn't mocking something and see how many laughs you get.
 
Isn't it a bit condescending to assume that all transgenders acts in unison as fragile victims, like an absurd version of The Borg..? Luckily I know for a fact that most transgenders are not like that. What makes me puzzled is that that the most offended are the one's who think they speak on behalf of every single transgender on this planet.

I'm tired of the outrage and victim culture, when is it going to end.. ..hopefully before it's too late.
 
So are you guys trying to make this into the Anti-ResetERA forum or what? R RDreamer is making reasonable points, but now he has to be a troll? How are you guys any better than the other forum that you hate?
I mean, I called in question feminism and he made a generalization about my childhood, told me to grow up and to check my privilege. I understand that some people were maybe too agresive on him from the start, some of them even insulting him but I honestly think he's not here for a debate.
 
I will buy 3 copies just because of this.
you're going to buy three copies of a game just because they made fun of trans people?

Man if I was on the side of "hey guys chill out it's just a joke" I certainly wouldn't want a post like this on my side. it's one thing to be ok with a joke it's another to say "yeah dude they made a statement I'm gonna support them hardcore for that!"
There are millions of actual things worth getting outraged about.

Hundreds of kids that Trump separated from their parents who STILL have not yet been reunited

China massacring muslims in secret

Pakistan killing trans people in secret

Saudi Arabia massacring yemeni's by the busloads with the US's help

Saudia Arabia executing nonviolent women protesters for daring to walk around without a tarp on in public while the US does nothing to stop them

North Koreas slave concentration camps for family members of people that protested against Kim

Reality winner, potheads and countless others getting locked up for years and having their lives ruined for nonviolent crimes

So many more actual outragous things happening than bad twitter jokes
Sure there are tons of bad things going on in the world. That doesn't mean we can't talk about a bad taste joke. Especially on this forum where people were so excited about the prospect of talking about video games instead of politics. Those other things you mentioned were very political. I think the people of newGAF who like to keep it to the video games would rather talk about a tweet pertaining to a video game developer.
 
Harmless tongue in cheek tweet but so not worth the trouble.

It's a real shame people can't have fun online anymore. Everything is so goddamn serious all the goddamn time.
 
They are. He made sweeping generalisations, told people it wasn't up to them to decide what offended trans people (while telling us what offends trans people), said it wasn't up to other people to decide what a light hearted joke is (then told us what a light hearted joke is), all seemingly while in a little tizzy, cursing, implying people are dense etc, etc. Basically, not someone worth wasting time conversing with.

Or, you could go read post number 255 by someone with a lot more patience than I possess.

Yeah I see where things got out of hand. The internet seems to be a terrible place to have open discussions sometimes. He started out level-headed yet you throw egg at his face and he clearly felt the need to return the favor. It's clear that people in general suck and can't have an honest-hearted conversation about stuff like this.

I mean, I called in question feminism and he made a generalization about my childhood, told me to grow up and to check my privilege. I understand that some people were maybe too agresive on him from the start, some of them even insulting him but I honestly think he's not here for a debate.

Yeah, hopefully, he'll learn to skip past the people that are trolling him and only respond to people that want an honest discussion. Seems like some innocent people got fired on after he got pissed.
 
You sure got me with that comic, hurr durr. It is called self reflecting before you spout "check your privilege" without knowing anyone's struggles like you are in the Victim Olympics.
telling someone to check their privilege doesn't mean you don't recognize your own privilege.
 
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So are you guys trying to make this into the Anti-ResetERA forum or what? R RDreamer is making reasonable points, but now he has to be a troll? How are you guys any better than the other forum that you hate?

I think it's dumb and dismissive to call people trolls (and if you do think that of them, then just don't reply), but the answer to your question is the same as it has been for a while now.

This forum is better because RDreamer won't get banned for having a different opinion.
 
seems like a harmless joke, i laughed. it's poking fun at the absurd number of genders, and pronouns.
Harmless tongue in cheek tweet but so not worth the trouble.

It's a real shame people can't have fun online anymore. Everything is so goddamn serious all the goddamn time.
Twitter was a mistake.

It wasn't a mistake. Humans are the terrible ones. It's not the platform's fault. You guys keep saying the joke was harmless, yet seem to be upset with the way Austin responded to it.
 
God damn, I am getting bombarded by sjw snowflakes on twitter. Now they are going on witch hunt to find all my personal info. Good luck with that.
 
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I'd say I don't know how it's possible but I do know how it's possible that their moderation is somehow worse than the extreme days on GAF. And they still deny not making that place like the old one lol. It's worse. Although who didn't see that coming. I'm actually really excited for cyber punk, will preorder it along with metro.
 
No, it means they have very little in the way of debate skills when engaging in public discourse.
You're going to have to elaborate more on that because I don't even know how you came to this conclusion. Telling someone to check their privilege when they themselves are privileged means they lack debate skills? Wouldn't a privileged person know a thing or two about being privileged and thus more than capable of telling someone to check their own?
 
Oh come off it. You know the people I've been responding to haven't respected me the entire fucking time.

And you think dropping the "lol privileges" bomb helped? You are not helping yourself or your arguments dropping senseless memes.

Also, a friendly advice, you should consider toughtering your skin a bit. Getting mad at every stupid joke and coment has to be VERY tiring. At this rate people won't be even able to make jokes about the god damn weather without somebody being offended, for god's sake people learn to CHILL.
 
You're going to have to elaborate more on that because I don't even know how you came to this conclusion. Telling someone to check their privilege when they themselves are privileged means they lack debate skills? Wouldn't a privileged person know a thing or two about being privileged and thus more than capable of telling someone to check their own?

It is a lame ass phrase used to stifle discourse, nothing more. I was being tongue-in-cheek with my original post.

There are better ways to make people aware of certain "privileges" without sounded like an pompous fool.
 
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