Cyberpunk 2077 tweet makes light hearted joke about gender spectrum [up: tweet deleted]

It's just not worth arguing with you. Please ignore my posts.

You realize that your post are SJW points right? Maybe thats why. Whats to argue? You get mad at SJW only to make the same argument not realizing you are one of the same. Soooooo I'm not surprised your coming to this stance as what would even be the point of defending this concept when you've worked so hard to talk about SJW? Your choice to not buy a game, but don't single out SJWs and then argue the same concept as if some how it only applies to a different demographic. If you don't like what SJW do, don't do it yourself.
 
Is anyone talking about this outside of this GAF thread or is the OP just trying to stir shit up?

Its a pretty high profile "story".

The resetera thread is 40 pages and on most forums they have a thread about it.
 
You realize that your post are SJW points right? Maybe thats why. Whats to argue? You get mad at SJW only to make the same argument not realizing you are one of the same. Soooooo I'm not surprised your coming to this stance as what would even be the point of defending this concept when you've worked so hard to talk about SJW? Your choice to not buy a game, but don't single out SJWs and then argue the same concept as if some how it only applies to a different demographic. If you don't like what SJW do, don't do it yourself.

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That's just your opinion on Austin. I tend to respect and like the guy. At least CDPR had the sense to apologize and take the tweet down. Good job CDPR!

Fair enough. I know that Austin Walker has his audience and I can respect that. However, CDPR is obviously much more relevant to the industry than he is, so him telling them to DO BETTER as an imperative high and mighty commandment feels like me telling my dad to go fuck himself because he used the word fairy in a derogatory way. In the legendary words of badass cult classic Blood Father, it might be fitting but it sure as hell isn't proper.
 
Yeah bud I hate to break it to you but that's totally not the context of the joke at all. If that's your understanding of it then I see how your confused, but that's totally not how the joke is used. I really don't know how to explain that any further. The "did you just assume my/their gender" joke is about the pronoun someone used, not about some other gender stereotype. And again this is not an opinion or a misunderstanding on my part, this is a fact.

It is the only logical interpretation I can conceive of. 99% of transgender people are very obviously not going to respond like that to being misidentified, just like 99% of women would not respond like that to a man trying to help. So who exactly is it making fun of, and how? All of the transgender people I've met are perfectly normal adults who converse as such, they're not psychos flying off the handle at anyone who refers to them with a pronoun. So the only reasonable conclusion I can reach is that the intent is to mock the militant attitude, not the fact that they're transgender. It is a hypothetical hyperbolic scenario designed to prove it's point. The mental gymnastics required to turn it into an advocation for "transgender people ceasing to exist" (see Era OP) is probably the most astonishingly stupid over reaction I've ever seen on the internet, and I've seen a lot.
 
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It's great if there is someone on this forum who is transgender who was not offended and is instead offended by other things,

"other things" ? Can we be more precise? They were offended by people behaving exactly how you are now behaving.
 
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I got banned for saying it's not as bad as joking about fucking kids (which is what they all defended when the Gunn fallout Happened) complete. Double standard.

I noticed Slayven was an admin over there, probably the biggest racist this site has ever seen and he was proud of it. I had to laugh when I saw that.

That forum is a cesspool.
 
I noticed Slayven was an admin over there, probably the biggest racist this site has ever seen and he was proud of it. I had to laugh when I saw that.

That forum is a cesspool.

Read what his tag is, he lives for that shit. I never even heard of him until I saw his tag and google'd his online name. What a poser.
 
I noticed Slayven was an admin over there, probably the biggest racist this site has ever seen and he was proud of it. I had to laugh when I saw that.

That forum is a cesspool.
Read what his tag is, he lives for that shit. I never even heard of him until I saw his tag and google'd his online name. What a poser.

Cesspool is too kind for them. I am in utter disbelief at this. People getting nuked from showing interest in the game or having a rational opinion on the matter.
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Cesspool is too kind for them. I am in utter disbelief at this. People getting nuked from showing interest in the game or having a rational opinion on the matter.
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They also have a member who openly doxxed the supposed tweeter: It was taken down, but the member didn't get a ban for it. However, if you dare say that this is only a joke: PERMABAN.

Absolutely pathetic. Then again, what did I expect from a community that openly promotes witch hunts and ruining people's lives?

This shouldn't need to be stated, but just because someone tells a joke you dislike or a comment/opinion you disagree with, that does not give you the right to find their personal information and give it to random people. That doesn't give you the right to try to ruin their lives. Why is this such a hard concept for these types of fools to understand?
 
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Am I the only one who is feeling just very sick of words on the internet, people's opinions/thoughts/feelings, the news, like nothing really matters or affects me?
 
This is a good run down of shit. And why I'm glad a lot of people left.

Usually i find his style of delivery a little too snide for my liking but DAMN, he hit the nail on the head today.

Am I the only one who is feeling just very sick of words on the internet, people's opinions/thoughts/feelings, the news, like nothing really matters or affects me?
That's just a case of internet cabin fever. Take a break, stretch your legs, maybe hit the gym to empty your head. You'll honestly feel much better, friend.
 
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You think they act like this off line, without the safety of sitting behind a keyboard? It's a bunch of frauds trying to 'out outrage' each other. Pathetic.

I don't know man. Do they have any friends? Can they joke amongst eachother without reviewing every word? They must be a total nightmare having around in social gatherings. It seems things are getting better however, people are getting tired of their sensitive nature, the times are changing.
 
This is a good run down of shit. And why I'm glad a lot of people left.


I think this brings up a constant, ah, trend, with the people who get most vocally triggered by jokes with this. They seem to be an intersection of transgendered people with otherkin, multiple systems, all that Tumblr nonsense. Which tends to suggest to me that they are just attention seeking/going through a phase than actually trans, or (in some cases) may be mentally ill.

Not that there are not actual trans people who might have been offended, but the most vocal people always seem to be in this snowflake intersection, where they are the most unique thing evar and have to vocalize their uniqueness constantly or risk losing it. Those sorts of complaints seem like a self-affirmation rather than a genuine concern, like that closeted gay guy in a bad comedy who constantly talks about how hot women are.

Of course, I am NOT saying that all trans people are mentally ill - I'm talking about a certain population e.g. "a trans dragonkin with the 4th Doctor as a headmate". At that point I just kind of doubt it all as just attention seeking, and when it gets really advanced (e.g. growling at ground beef at the grocery store or going berserk over someone not calling them "faer") it probably is a type of mental illness. It's unhealthy to get your identity wrapped up in what amounts to overlapping fandoms.
 
They also have a member who openly doxxed the supposed tweeter: It was taken down, but the member didn't get a ban for it. However, if you dare say that this is only a joke: PERMABAN.

Absolutely pathetic. Then again, what did I expect from a community that openly promotes witch hunts and ruining people's lives?

This shouldn't need to be stated, but just because someone tells a joke you dislike or a comment/opinion you disagree with, that does not give you the right to find their personal information and give it to random people. That doesn't give you the right to try to ruin their lives. Why is this such a hard concept for these types of fools to understand?


Who even owns that site?
 
Call me crazy, but...

Battlefield V developers shouldn't have insulted people who didn't want their unrealistic version of WWII.

Wolfenstein II developers shouldn't have made the "Make America Nazi Free Again" joke / reference in their marketing.

Cyberpunk 2077 developers shouldn't have made a joke that makes fun of SJW culture and/or trans people (however you care to think of it).

Colin Moriarty shouldn't have made the woman's day joke that upset feminists.

This is non-partisan truth across the board.

Your "harmless" joke is an attack on the political ideology of people you want to pay for your product. And you do not insult your customers, period. If only 10 percent of people were offended by this joke and only 10 percent of that group actually refuse to buy the game because of it, that's still thousands of people that won't purchase your game anymore. And for what?

Companies should stay out of politics. If they put it into their art, that's one thing. If they needlessly alienate portions of their audience, that's another.
 
Call me crazy, but...

Battlefield V developers shouldn't have insulted people who didn't want their unrealistic version of WWII.

Wolfenstein II developers shouldn't have made the "Make America Nazi Free Again" joke / reference in their marketing.

Cyberpunk 2077 developers shouldn't have made a joke that makes fun of SJW culture and/or trans people (however you care to think of it).

Colin Moriarty shouldn't have made the woman's day joke that upset feminists.

This is non-partisan truth across the board.

Your "harmless" joke is an attack on the political ideology of people you want to pay for your product. And you do not insult your customers, period. If only 10 percent of people were offended by this joke and only 10 percent of that group actually refuse to buy the game because of it, that's still thousands of people that won't purchase your game anymore. And for what?

Companies should stay out of politics. If they put it into their art, that's one thing. If they needlessly alienate portions of their audience, that's another.

THIS.

If its not ok for some, its not ok for all.
 
This kind of situations are weird. Offending someone is not cool, and if project red decided to apologize thats good. What IMO is not good is the disproportionate outrage. I do not think this is necessarily transphobic. When I hear phobia i think of actively fearing or hating something. Someone that makes that joke I dont think he necessarily fears or hates trans people. He can be accussed of being insensitive of the struggles that trans people experiment in their everyday lives, and everyone has the right to be or not to be offended by the joke, but to outright accuse him of being transphobic and demand that his company does something about it is too much IMO.
 
They also have a member who openly doxxed the supposed tweeter: It was taken down, but the member didn't get a ban for it. However, if you dare say that this is only a joke: PERMABAN.

Absolutely pathetic. Then again, what did I expect from a community that openly promotes witch hunts and ruining people's lives?

This shouldn't need to be stated, but just because someone tells a joke you dislike or a comment/opinion you disagree with, that does not give you the right to find their personal information and give it to random people. That doesn't give you the right to try to ruin their lives. Why is this such a hard concept for these types of fools to understand?


Fucking hell...these people are mentally Ill.

It really irks me to see how much of an influence they have on most developers. When I see the big AAA devs participate in that toxic place it makes me lose a ton of respect for them. Any self respecting dev should avoid that place like the plague.

No rational discussions can be made there, its just one diseased ridden echo chamber.
 
Your "harmless" joke is an attack on the political ideology of people you want to pay for your product. And you do not insult your customers, period. If only 10 percent of people were offended by this joke and only 10 percent of that group actually refuse to buy the game because of it, that's still thousands of people that won't purchase your game anymore. And for what?

Thing is. Transpeople hardly matter numbers wise. If CDPR sells 0 copies to transpeople it won't affect their bottom line.
OTH if you insult your conservative male audience you will #gowokegobroke. Most of these "SJW titles" like Andromeda, Wolfenstein 2 and in (the future) BFV underperformed, while Kingdom Come deliverance sold pretty well (despite getting blacklisted by Waypoint).

What if I told you that the liberal gaming media (Polygon, Kotaku, Waypoint) and social media power users hold no power whatsoever?
Moreover, they are completely detached from their actual customer base and shove stories down everyone's throat that nobody gives a fuck about.

The good news: The gaming industry seems to have learned (the hard way) that this SJW bullshit needs to be kept out of games. I was really happy to see that CDPR gave a half assed apology and the jokes in the DOOM trailer where also fun.

That said, transpeople have a tough deal and I don't envy them. Nobody should bully or harm them and I would protect them if necessary.
BUT 99% will never see a woman who used to be a man as a women. Plus the concept of people changing genders will always be inherently funny to the 99% "cis gender" majority. Therefore the CDPR twitter joke was nothing but good, sensible marketing.

What the people on ERA don't get, is that all this kicking and screaming will do the exact opposite. They are trying to create a universe where everybody plays along and keeps up with the lates issues (What is a joke, what isn't) that only affect 0.0005% of the world population.
Out here in the real world genders are defined by biology and that will never change. Ever.
 
Call me crazy, but...

Battlefield V developers shouldn't have insulted people who didn't want their unrealistic version of WWII.

Wolfenstein II developers shouldn't have made the "Make America Nazi Free Again" joke / reference in their marketing.

Cyberpunk 2077 developers shouldn't have made a joke that makes fun of SJW culture and/or trans people (however you care to think of it).

Colin Moriarty shouldn't have made the woman's day joke that upset feminists.

This is non-partisan truth across the board.

Your "harmless" joke is an attack on the political ideology of people you want to pay for your product. And you do not insult your customers, period. If only 10 percent of people were offended by this joke and only 10 percent of that group actually refuse to buy the game because of it, that's still thousands of people that won't purchase your game anymore. And for what?

Companies should stay out of politics. If they put it into their art, that's one thing. If they needlessly alienate portions of their audience, that's another.
I will call you crazy. Constantly trying to not offend anyone is like walking through a minefield 24/7. People should grow some skin for the love of god. It'll do them good. Not only online but in their everyday life. Believe me, I KNOW.

You guys really need to think this further a bit. If we just turn a blind eye and bow do you really think this is going to stop at the point we are now? Mate, this is going to get so, so, so much worse. Just watch.
 
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Update: right now the apology tweet has over 3.7k comments that is almost ten times as much as the actual joke got. Also people who were triggered by this joke are still mad because they did not fall on their knees and fired the person who did this. Good job Projekt red you really fucked up
 
I will call you crazy. Constantly trying to not offend anyone is like walking through a minefield 24/7. People should grow some skin for the love of god. It'll do them good. Not only online but in their everyday life. Believe me, I KNOW.

You guys really need to think this further a bit. If we just turn a blind eye and bow do you really think this is going to stop at the point we are now? Mate, this is going to get so, so, so much worse. Just watch.

I am on some heavy medication and I'm unable to express my thoughts in a articulate manner, so I am glad you posted this. Excellent post that deserves 1000 likes.
 
Yeah I see where things got out of hand. The internet seems to be a terrible place to have open discussions sometimes. He started out level-headed
No. No, he absolutely did not. He started off in a pathetic little tizzy, swearing and hostile, which is why he has garnered the same reaction from various people.

First post.

Um... Some trans people don't survive, and that's kind of the fuckin problem with dismissing their existence through hyperbolic joke caricatures. How about you get some goddamned empathy?
 
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I am on some heavy medication and I'm unable to express my thoughts in a articulate manner, so I am glad you posted this. Excellent post that deserves 1000 likes.
My mind has created a medication that makes me not care about what anyone thinks and have a strong bias towards thinking everyone's opinion is shit.
 
Said:"I see no story here"
Banned for three days for dismissing transphobia.

I'm from central Europe, like most people over here I don't care for transgender, gay or religious beliefs. And inb4 you say that not caring is bad. I just don't care what they do or how they life their lives. As long as they don't harm other people they are free to do whatever the f* they want. Who am I to dictate how other people are supposed to live? But this American culture of being offended by everything is starting to piss me off.
BTW: ID software's "call demons mortaly challenged" joke is also offensive according to Twitter.
 
I will call you crazy. Constantly trying to not offend anyone is like walking through a minefield 24/7. People should grow some skin for the love of god. It'll do them good. Not only online but in their everyday life. Believe me, I KNOW.

You guys really need to think this further a bit. If we just turn a blind eye and bow do you really think this is going to stop at the point we are now? Mate, this is going to get so, so, so much worse. Just watch.

It really wasn't back in the 90s.
There were a few "no go's" everyone agreed on, like pedophilia, tragedies, recent deaths and blatant insults directed at an individual.
Everything else was fair game and wouldn't get you fired.
Now everything can cause outrage because everything can be tied to some SJW issue.

The outrage crowd even made up "catch all" phrases, like toxic, problematic and bigotted, so they can "call out" every statement.
Then they added another wrinkle:
Not is everyone required to know what's "toxic" you also have to keep up with non-toxic stuff that has turned toxic because some alt-right YouTube guy used it in a video etc.
 
Thing is. Transpeople hardly matter numbers wise. If CDPR sells 0 copies to transpeople it won't affect their bottom line.
OTH if you insult your conservative male audience you will #gowokegobroke. Most of these "SJW titles" like Andromeda, Wolfenstein 2 and in (the future) BFV underperformed, while Kingdom Come deliverance sold pretty well (despite getting blacklisted by Waypoint).

What if I told you that the liberal gaming media (Polygon, Kotaku, Waypoint) and social media power users hold no power whatsoever?

The liberal gaming media is pretty much the entirety of voices you'd see on metacritic, aside from the closet conservatives and people who just don't care about politics, but shut up about even that aspect of their lives, as that would also make them a target.

When you're talking about people who can affect your metacritic score, I'm sorry but yeah, they do have power. If you don't think liberals in gaming journalism have power, do me a favor and name a conservative game journalist published on metacritic.

I will call you crazy. Constantly trying to not offend anyone is like walking through a minefield 24/7. People should grow some skin for the love of god. It'll do them good. Not only online but in their everyday life. Believe me, I KNOW.

You guys really need to think this further a bit. If we just turn a blind eye and bow do you really think this is going to stop at the point we are now? Mate, this is going to get so, so, so much worse. Just watch.

Despite you saying that, I don't think I would have needed a crystal ball to tell how any of the four examples I listed above would work out. Don't mock SJW culture with their own concepts, don't associate Nazi's with Trump voters, don't make fun of feminists on their special day, don't conflate people who don't want women in a WWII game with nutjobs who don't want women in any video game. None of that would have been hard to avoid.

And you don't need to "bow" to any potential consumer if you don't screw up in the first place. Just don't do harm to your brand. That's doesn't seem like such an absurd suggestion to me.

On the other hand, CDPR has apologized (because of course they would), and many who were angry in the first place consider it a non-apology (because of course they would). Now is the time for CDPR to shut their mouths and move on. A second apology will greatly anger people who didn't think they should have apologized in the first place. The way it is now, everyone is a little mad, but they'll get over it.
 
The liberal gaming media is pretty much the entirety of voices you'd see on metacritic, aside from the closet conservatives and people who just don't care about politics, but shut up about even that aspect of their lives, as that would also make them a target.

When you're talking about people who can affect your metacritic score, I'm sorry but yeah, they do have power. If you don't think liberals in gaming journalism have power, do me a favor and name a conservative game journalist published on metacritic.

Fair point, I'm not denying that they can affect a game's reception, mc score and the social media narrative.
But their shit only really can affect a handful of games each years. Mostly in the indie space.
The best selling games are either 100% a-politcal (Mario Kart, FIFA) or too big (like, Rockstar doesn't give a fuck about this stuff).
And if a game is good, it'll get a good score and sell well. No matter how "problematic" Klepek and Schreier think it is LOL

ps. Gaming media in Europe isn't as infested as it is in the Silicon Valley, the IGN Italia, Spain etc. scores still count.
 
That gaming blog whose names starts with a K has written up this story.
It is exactly what you expect.

Not linking to them out of principle, keyboard warrior that I am.
 
Despite you saying that, I don't think I would have needed a crystal ball to tell how any of the four examples I listed above would work out. Don't mock SJW culture with their own concepts, don't associate Nazi's with Trump voters, don't make fun of feminists on their special day, don't conflate people who don't want women in a WWII game with nutjobs who don't want women in any video game. None of that would have been hard to avoid.

And you don't need to "bow" to any potential consumer if you don't screw up in the first place. Just don't do harm to your brand. That's doesn't seem like such an absurd suggestion to me.
I have a far easier suggestion: Don't identify with a whole fucking group and try to speak for it. Just because that tweet offended one trans person he/she does not have a right to be outraged for all trans people. Same with every other example. Just because I am a dude with long hair and someone says something bad about dudes with long hair that offends some dude with long hair he doesn't have right to speak for me. Just because I am a bodybuilder and someone says something bad bodybuilders that offends bodybuilders he doesn't have right to speak for me.

You get my jib? Thanks.
 
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CDPR handled the correct thing sensibly. They removed the tweet and apologized. Now they should just ignore the issue. That's the only sensible thing to do.

And it should be the lesson for CDPR to stay away from american social media as much as possible. Do pure PR work and nothing else. Western world is utterly insane these days, Poles won't be able to navigate it without pissing people off on regular basis :D Keep your more off-beat social interactions to polish language;
 
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That gaming blog whose names starts with a K has written up this story.
It is exactly what you expect.

Not linking to them out of principle, keyboard warrior that I am.

Also not gonna link the "article", but Kotaku even admits that.....

While the tweet is not explicitly transphobic, the meme being referenced is largely used to belittle or demean the concerns of transgender people.
 
Man how is this really an issue? The trans people I know are either completely spineless or plainly don't care to get upset about this stuff. I sent this it to my ex and she is a staunch liberal but had a laugh at the tweet herself. Say I'm downplaying, And I probably am , but I can't help but think this is just a manifestation of internet outrage. It was a joke, lol, and not one that aimed to hurt marginalized groups. But I am not part of those groups so I'd be a heel to tell an lgbtq+ that they should not be offended. Still laughed at the joke lol.
 
My goodness. It's a joke... if you find it a good or bad one, that's on you, but this cult of outrage has become so sensitive to anything that it gets nothing short of annoying.

These people don't have humor. They just want to hate. Jokes always offend someone. That's what makes them work.
 
I expected to wake up to an apology. How weak.

Apologizing to appease people who are never pleased with anything in life and what they see in the mirror will get you no where and if anything, it'll just make things worse. These people are predators.

I had zero interest in the game to begin with, but only because CDPR had yet to give me a reason to be interested. In engine and CGI trailers don't do anything for me. I need actual game footage.

Now however, I have zero interest because of this apology. I feel petty, somewhat hypocritical and silly, but in my defence, while the loons got offended over a joke that mocks the people who go on about fascism while simultaneously dictating the speech of others, I'm sitting over here seeing CDPR (indirectly, directly) supporting what's clearly a case of mass mental illness thats infected a portion of society and this is apology isnt helping to bring this "Decade of the Delicate" to an end.

I stopped preordering because of broken launches, I stopped buying because of publishers never or taking months to fix their products, I stopped buying because of terrible ports, stopped buying because of the pushing of agendas and I've stopped buying games from publishers and devs who indirectly or directly support this absolute insanity.

All CDPR have done is endorse this behavior by apologizing and put other developers on notice in the process. CDPR were in a place to make a stand more than any dev out there, but they said sorry instead.

Then again, I wouldnt be suprised if these people are actually CDPR target audience. After their reaction of the TW3 downgrade and claiming TW3 would not have existed if it wasnt for consoles... its obvious to me where CDPR loyatals really lie and its not with the majority who are mentally stable.
 
I expected to wake up to an apology. How weak.

Apologizing to appease people who are never pleased with anything in life and what they see in the mirror will get you no where and if anything, it'll just make things worse. These people are predators.

I had zero interest in the game to begin with, but only because CDPR had yet to give me a reason to be interested. In engine and CGI trailers don't do anything for me. I need actual game footage.

Now however, I have zero interest because of this apology. I feel petty, somewhat hypocritical and silly, but in my defence, while the loons got offended over a joke that mocks the people who go on about fascism while simultaneously dictating the speech of others, I'm sitting over here seeing CDPR (indirectly, directly) supporting what's clearly a case of mass mental illness thats infected a portion of society and this is apology isnt helping to bring this "Decade of the Delicate" to an end.

I stopped preordering because of broken launches, I stopped buying because of publishers never or taking months to fix their products, I stopped buying because of terrible ports, stopped buying because of the pushing of agendas and I've stopped buying games from publishers and devs who indirectly or directly support this absolute insanity.

All CDPR have done is endorse this behavior by apologizing and put other developers on notice in the process. CDPR were in a place to make a stand more than any dev out there, but they said sorry instead.

Then again, I wouldnt be suprised if these people are actually CDPR target audience. After their reaction of the TW3 downgrade and claiming TW3 would not have existed if it wasnt for consoles... its obvious to me where CDPR loyatals really lie and its not with the majority who are mentally stable.

Absolutely spot on.
 
to be fair after some digging turns out she was going in there with an agenda, unlike the other the deer in the headlight bans.
 
Coming Soon: "Is not including DRM in your games considered discriminatory. Why are game developers and publishers not supporting the people who work hard to protect their games?".
 
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Well, they have officially reached a new low. A trans was permanently banned from cuntera for being level headed.

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"..I think people should just calm down".

I think this is a very reasonable proposal, and one that could be applied to a lot of internet drama.
A shame that it was dismissed so vehemently.
 
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