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Kamina said:
Exactly
However, you missed
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6. Transphobic
7. Fat shaming
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Yeah, prolly coming from the same people that said goodbye from GAF with porn gifs... Dunno if it's funny or sad.

Hope you folks from Reset are reading this and know that you're the biggest hypocrites there are.
 
Speaking of Aeana: She won't be making OT's anymore. (I can use her name because well, she was OldGAF from here and Tyler mentioned her name so its coo)



Getting second thoughts on ERA, hmm? Well thats good! It means you comprehend what's going on there. :)
 
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Redneckerz said:
I have said it before and ill say it again, These users visiting here or trying to look for ''Gotcha!'' moments base their views on the state of NeoGAF in October 2017. They don't see or care about the developments since. Its as if their position is locked and there is no effort on their part to take a geniune effort here.
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Nothing came of the Sexual Allegations, the entire reason Era started, but don't let the users discuss that! We wouldn't want them to realize how greasy the whole thing was. Really just close any thread down with an ominous link.

"This is in no way an attempt to shut down free discussion, but instead a way to avoid unnecessary complications with other parties."

The only complications they're worried about are from their side. This dude Cerium is so paranoid he doesn't even show his face. I respect the right to anonymity, but when your site is founded on judging everyone else but you leave yourself completely free from criticism, well, let's just say that's not really playing fair.

To say the least i'm the most suspicious of those who aren't willing to stand by their statements, or put anything on the line.

Frankly I don't really care who he/she/them is, but I think it shows something that Evilore and many posters here are actually willing to open themselves up and stand by their word, mistakes and all. It allows us all to actually reflect on our actions, and it allows us to be much more honest in general.
 
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This thread about the Twitter CEO overturning a decision to ban Alex Jones is a really good example of what is wrong with that site.

I'm not any kind of fan of Alex Jones, but look at these responses. It starts immediately. The CEO is a white supremacist, Nazi, and a racist all because he wanted to try to let the crazy guy yell on the street corner.
 
Sygma said:
I just lost my shit

https://www.resetera.com/threads/filip-muicin-spiderman-ps4-review.66507/page-2#post-12255145


This guy and Nicole are truly the fucking worse on that website. press f
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I lol at the regular gaffers that just got caught up in the move over there and are now realizing what kind of place it is
 
Redneckerz said:
For a site that so desperately want nothing to do with GAF anymore, a lot of its inhabitians sure love to visit and observe from their side of the pond. This one was allowed to last some posts longer. Its kind of interesting to see what these do-gooders do when the site they felt was safe makes unwarranted changes.

I have said it before and ill say it again, These users visiting here or trying to look for ''Gotcha!'' moments base their views on the state of NeoGAF in October 2017. They don't see or care about the developments since. Its as if their position is locked and there is no effort on their part to take a geniune effort here.
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Yikes. This was a slightly annoying read, but this post absolutely got me:

I just went there for the first time since the exodus, and they are really playing that "the crazy lefties rule Era" card.
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Imagine being that much in denial.
 
During the Kavanaugh hearing the woman behind him rested her hand on her arm. Since there are hidden Nazis lurking everywhere according to ERA, they say she made a "white supremist dog whistle gesture". The woman is Jewish and Hispanic. Eventually a moderator has to step in and tell them to cut it out with the conspiracy theories: https://www.resetera.com/threads/li...firmation-hearing.66365/page-10#post-12257720

Here is this super evil person:



https://www.businessinsider.com/zina-bash-ok-hand-gesture-brett-kavanaugh-hearing-2018-9

Accusers claimed that Zina, who is of Jewish and Mexican heritage and is a descendant of Holocaust survivors, is of an ilk who "literally want to bring white supremacy to the Supreme Court."
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Her husbands reply:
"We weren't even familiar with the hateful symbol being attributed to her for the random way she rested her hand during a long hearing," Bash tweeted
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JORMBO said:
During the Kavanaugh hearing the woman behind him rested her hand on her arm. Since there are hidden Nazis lurking everywhere according to ERA, they say she made a "white supremist dog whistle gesture". The woman is Jewish and Hispanic. Eventually a moderator has to step in and tell them to cut it out with the conspiracy theories: https://www.resetera.com/threads/li...firmation-hearing.66365/page-10#post-12257720
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This is what insanity going unchecked looks like.
 
Long time Gaf/Era user here. I just want to say that the vast majority of people on Resetera aren't bad, just like the vast majority of people on old Gaf weren't bad. I totally get why the loud and obnoxious majority ruins it for the rest though. I'm frankly getting pretty tired of the ridiculous moderation (I've been warned and temp banned there for very in-offensive differences in opinion). One such instance included giving genuine insight into my profession, but since that apparently was seen as discriminatory for just explaining from an informed place how things worked, it caught me a ban. That was a few months ago and kind of "Woke me up" to the fact that something was wrong. The ridiculousness of the last few days really just put the ugliness out on full display.

At the end of the day I am tired of the endless political discussion and viewpoints being injected in every damn conversation. I just want to talk about video games and movies and tv shows. You know, entertainment. Assuredly the prime reason any of us were attracted to a video game enthusiast forum to begin with.

And I do it simply because that place is much more active. So I tolerate the ridiculous echo chamber mentality and stay out of political threads and straight up avoid engaging in anything remotely political now. Really just stick to the video game and other entertainment stuff. Because it's not worth it to walk on eggshells. Unfortunately, even a post like this venting my frustrations would likely catch me a ban on Resetera. And I hate that. I do kind of hope the traffic comes back here so I could really just engage over here again, but as long as the high activity remains there, that's basically where my focus is going to be.

I think there's a lot of people posting over there versus here that are a lot like me.
 
TDLink said:
I think there's a lot of people posting over there versus here that are a lot like me.
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Definitely, and I think that too. NewGAF is heathier and more enjoyable, put Reset has the much bigger gaming community, which makes it the best place to check out for news.

With that site slowly eating itself and this one growing back, who knows how things will be in one year or so.
 
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TDLink said:
Long time Gaf/Era user here. I just want to say that the vast majority of people on Resetera aren't bad, just like the vast majority of people on old Gaf weren't bad. I totally get why the loud and obnoxious majority ruins it for the rest though. I'm frankly getting pretty tired of the ridiculous moderation (I've been warned and temp banned there for very in-offensive differences in opinion). One such instance included giving genuine insight into my profession, but since that apparently was seen as discriminatory for just explaining from an informed place how things worked, it caught me a ban. That was a few months ago and kind of "Woke me up" to the fact that something was wrong. The ridiculousness of the last few days really just put the ugliness out on full display.

At the end of the day I am tired of the endless political discussion and viewpoints being injected in every damn conversation. I just want to talk about video games and movies and tv shows. You know, entertainment. Assuredly the prime reason any of us were attracted to a video game enthusiast forum to begin with.

And I do it simply because that place is much more active. So I tolerate the ridiculous echo chamber mentality and stay out of political threads and straight up avoid engaging in anything remotely political now. Really just stick to the video game and other entertainment stuff. Because it's not worth it to walk on eggshells. Unfortunately, even a post like this venting my frustrations would likely catch me a ban on Resetera. And I hate that. I do kind of hope the traffic comes back here so I could really just engage over here again, but as long as the high activity remains there, that's basically where my focus is going to be.

I think there's a lot of people posting over there versus here that are a lot like me.
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Oh I'm sure we all know that, I'd say I would put myself in a group with you and the others. I know this thread is more tuned to the strange goings on over there but it's obvious the toxicity comes from the top down and feeds into a small but extremely vocal minority over there. For that forum, it's just a shame that they are amongst the most active and attention seeking, demanding of the whole. And for over here I guess it is telling because of the extreme shift in nature since the split last year. If NeoGAF were so bad and Evilore so evil, then why has this place been so chill since that split. That's my perspective on what's happened at least.

I do think the comparison between both forums posting etiquette now is kind of night and day. I feel pretty stressed if I post my real feelings in some topics over at era. I felt that way in some threads on GAF prior to the split. I have to rush off, wanted to say more but the main point is I agree with you and I think most people get it.
 
TDLink said:
I just want to say that the vast majority of people on Resetera aren't bad, just like the vast majority of people on old Gaf weren't bad.
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The problem is (and was) never the people, it's the hivemind policy. You agree to 100% with the hivemind or you get banned. If you can't give your opinion in a forum then what's the point? An echo chamber is literally the worst that can happen to a community or a forum.
 
TDLink said:
Long time Gaf/Era user here. I just want to say that the vast majority of people on Resetera aren't bad, just like the vast majority of people on old Gaf weren't bad. I totally get why the loud and obnoxious majority ruins it for the rest though. I'm frankly getting pretty tired of the ridiculous moderation (I've been warned and temp banned there for very in-offensive differences in opinion). One such instance included giving genuine insight into my profession, but since that apparently was seen as discriminatory for just explaining from an informed place how things worked, it caught me a ban. That was a few months ago and kind of "Woke me up" to the fact that something was wrong. The ridiculousness of the last few days really just put the ugliness out on full display.

At the end of the day I am tired of the endless political discussion and viewpoints being injected in every damn conversation. I just want to talk about video games and movies and tv shows. You know, entertainment. Assuredly the prime reason any of us were attracted to a video game enthusiast forum to begin with.

And I do it simply because that place is much more active. So I tolerate the ridiculous echo chamber mentality and stay out of political threads and straight up avoid engaging in anything remotely political now. Really just stick to the video game and other entertainment stuff. Because it's not worth it to walk on eggshells. Unfortunately, even a post like this venting my frustrations would likely catch me a ban on Resetera. And I hate that. I do kind of hope the traffic comes back here so I could really just engage over here again, but as long as the high activity remains there, that's basically where my focus is going to be.

I think there's a lot of people posting over there versus here that are a lot like me.
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You could be a part of the change, if you want more activity ... actions are calling for more actions.
 
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Sygma said:
I just lost my shit

https://www.resetera.com/threads/filip-muicin-spiderman-ps4-review.66507/page-2#post-12255145


This guy and Nicole are truly the fucking worse on that website. press f
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This user has no lick of humor behind its belt. Lets close up an obvious joke thread, but its totally okay to make a sexist remark of ''Bah, male protagonist. No thanks'' in regards to Twin Mirror being announced, with not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8, but 9 people getting banned calling you out for it (among replying to a user known for extreme takes and mod protection), only for you to go back to your original post and edit it to say this:
Pity Party said:
''EDIT: This post was carelessly phrased and I'm sorry that it ended up causing a fuss.

All I meant was that Dontnod has had a few games with female protagonists that I really enjoyed, and I was hoping for another one. That's all.

I was tired when I posted it and left it open to being interpreted in the worst ways, which I really regret. I do play and enjoy games with male protagonists.''
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Ofcourse, the bans were upheld, so this whole ''Oh i was tired so yeah'' nonsense is just a pity party and a BS excuse. If this member of The Names meant it, then the bans would be reversed. In that regard its also funny how all the mod criticism during the creation of the Entertainment sub-forum all got unpunished. Not really consistent with actioning then, or perhaps also because the amount of dissent was even too much for The Names handle? :pie_thinking:
Lionel Richie said:
Yikes. This was a slightly annoying read, but this post absolutely got me:



Imagine being that much in denial.
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There is always one better. There are actual members expressing straight up Stockholm Syndrome levels of denial.
''Word. GAF had mods I was genuinely afraid to respond to. Like...they would show up in a thread, and I would sprint out. ResetEra has infinitely better moderation. I feel like I can (reasonably) respond to mods/admins and disagree with them, and not catch a ban here.''
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Imagine being this much in denial. I honestly would chalk that up as a troll post because there is no way any reasonable person at this point would not be aware that at the very, absolute very least, something is off with that place.

Just don't go against a user actively on the fence for their multiple takes on trans acceptance (Which references the CP2077 tweet), because calling that out is a week ban. Geniunely scary that this user wants even more actioning against transphobes, beyond the obvious pedantic reaction on said tweet. Clearly this user believes you ensure change by banning people who even so much as say they are going to buy the game regardless of the tweet. (A week ban) And mentioning that also gets you banned. (A month ban even.)
 
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RokkanStoned said:
Was it this?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ri...d-non-binary-folks-chaos-ensues.65959/page-11



Fair comment at least, even if you might disagree with it. Definitely not something that's ban-worthy.
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I see my ban has been extended: History of downplaying concerns over inclusivity and equality efforts; inflammatory false equivalencies, antagonising other members. Junior account. Ban extended to 1 month after review. Any similar future offense will carry a severe penalty. Your ban will be lifted on Oct 3, 2018.

I wonder what the length would be, if I had actually written something slightly offensive.
 
TBiddy said:
I see my ban has been extended: History of downplaying concerns over inclusivity and equality efforts; inflammatory false equivalencies, antagonising other members. Junior account. Ban extended to 1 month after review. Any similar future offense will carry a severe penalty. Your ban will be lifted on Oct 3, 2018.

I wonder what the length would be, if I had actually written something slightly offensive.
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Well that, and you responded to a user who pre-dominately replies to threads that talk about gender equality, racism, and so on. All that user (and the other dumping a gif) was doing was attempting to bait you into a derail. They do so by just asking questions. Or ''Tell us how you really feel'' and variations on that. Their questions are dishonest in intent. They just wanted to bait you into a ban, of which they succeeded. This is then why The Names picked a post that sounded severe enough to action you over. Contrary to popular belief, Posts with red text aren't always the posts that gets people banned. Some even get banned without even seeing any red text whatsoever.
 
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Redneckerz said:
Well that, and you responded to a user who pre-dominately replies to threads that talk about gender equality, racism, and so on. All that user (and the other dumping a gif) was doing was attempting to bait you into a derail. They do so by just asking questions. Or ''Tell us how you really feel'' and variations on that. Their questions are dishonest in intent. They just wanted to bait you into a ban, of which they succeeded. This is then why The Names picked a post that sounded severe enough to action you over. Contrary to popular belief, Posts with red text aren't always the posts that gets people banned. Some even get banned without even seeing any red text whatsoever.
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What exactly does "The Names" mean? Is that a reference to the god-awful mods over there? But yes, you're right. There's very few people on that forum actually willing to engage in a debate.
 
TBiddy said:
What exactly does "The Names" mean? Is that a reference to the god-awful mods over there? But yes, you're right. There's very few people on that forum actually willing to engage in a debate.
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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253337340 :lollipop_smiling_face_eyes:

Its just a deliberate distinction to seperate the elite from the regular staff (and users) who are just normal common folk. By making such a distinction, it can potentially refer to any user who clearly is dictating matters or baiting others.
 
JordanN said:
Have you ever seen any other internet forum where the moderator text is BIGGER than the OP?

I'm not shitting you. You have to scroll down before you can actually read the news article.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bb...raze-palestinian-village-to-the-ground.66692/
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I like the reply from the OP: https://www.resetera.com/posts/12295377/

Can I request that a mod delete this thread entirely because I do not want my OP to be swamped by that Red Mod Edit because I don't want to be indirectly associated with it. I fear that if I just delete everything myself I'll get banned again.
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lol they're still over-REEEE-acting to Colin Moriarty

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Mod Edit: We do not provide a platform for Colin Moriarty or his content here.
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Wow. Not clicking then. He is bigot trash
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He's not a good person.
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Don't. And just leave it at that.

We don't need another thread locked because the discussion shift towards him.
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Hes not even allowed on this site so get that filth out of here.
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Don't want this to turn into a Colin hate thread but his viewpoints on games are fine, it's his viewpoints on things such as sexism, racism and such which are problematic to say the least.
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Buzzword bonus points!

Remember when everyone on GAF used to say "hill you want to die on?" It's a shame they don't all parrot that same phrase anymore. They still all parrot the same phrases, but I miss that one.
 
Grinchy said:
lol they're still over-REEEE-acting to Colin Moriarty

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Buzzword bonus points!

Remember when everyone on GAF used to say "hill you want to die on?" It's a shame they don't all parrot that same phrase anymore. They still all parrot the same phrases, but I miss that one.
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royox said:
The problem is (and was) never the people, it's the hivemind policy. You agree to 100% with the hivemind or you get banned. If you can't give your opinion in a forum then what's the point? An echo chamber is literally the worst that can happen to a community or a forum.
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I completely agree. It's just something I tolerate for how active things are. Like, there is no reason for me to get into my personal political or social views on anything to generally discuss games and movies and tv shows, which is the main reason I come here or there. Some people try to make literally everything into a reason to discuss their personal political or social views. But I'd rather just not play that game.

At a tamer place, maybe I could. But I probably wouldn't engage in it in those threads anyway. It would be more that I would engage in inherently political threads whereas currently I do not at all.
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You could be a part of the change, if you want more activity ... actions are calling for more actions.
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It's a fair point but I am not a super big poster or content creator. I could discuss things here instead of there but if the activity isn't here then it is less interesting to me. I'm still very open to returning here if the activity should return.
 
Looks like the loons aren't taking much shit from the mod team any longer. I wonder what will be the catalyst? One of the admins coming out as a pedo?
 
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Things certainly are more level headed on this forum. I hope this continues without people getting caught up and over compensating for the extremist views there by going extreme here. So far so good however.
 
ERA has had tons of red text OPs that tell the posters what they are allowed to talk about. So the posters finally draw the line at not being able to refer to Jews as Nazis.
 
Imagine being this moronic to the most obvious of troll threads (About a pose from the 2nd Matrix movie reminded OP of Gray Fox from MGS) with everyone ''getting'' the troll and out trolling him but you because as an Little Helper your sole purpose is to push your kind of aggressive trans narrative, even when that means not ''getting'' the joke.
''You would think that if you're a big fan of the Matrix that you would stop calling them brothers multiple times throughout the thread. They just go by The Wachowskis now because they both transitioned a while ago now.''
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Also the same user that called me out here and that never bothered to address me back because actual discourse is not this user's angle, as the above post demonstrates. :)

Nobody_Important said:
They allow plenty of fun. Clearly you guys didn't see the vagina beer thread from a few months back lol
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Even the troll thread i just linked is mediocre at best. And plenty of fun? Did you miss this linked thread which is as satirical as the troll thread above? Got locked because haha. And nope, clearly didn't see it but since you didn't link to it, here it is.
 
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Imagine have that kind of boner for a user which is not going to come back anymore. For someone who post long posts, it seems you are only interested to complaint about ResetEra :lollipop_grinning_smiling_eyes:
 
Shmunter said:
Things certainly are more level headed on this forum. I hope this continues without people getting caught up and over compensating for the extremist views there by going extreme here. So far so good however.
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Yep. This place as it is now feels like the rest of the internet (i.e. normal) and I'm with you on hoping that it stays like this, even as people return over time. I think moving Politics to its own section will help ensure this.

I learned over the weekend that the ERA community is strictly against separating politics from discussions no matter what. When various users started expressing their desire to move politics to a different section the nutters chimed in and their responses were very eye-opening:

I think that having the message board as Gaming + Everything Else is good because what this does is says "OK, on a basic level, you can come here and only engage with the Gaming community. But, if you want to engage with any other level of discussion on this site, you may have to encounter thoughts and opinions that challenge your views and preconceptions"
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The staff should really take note that a lot of the posts arguing against it are actually explaining their fears about usability, readability, why it could backfire, scenarios where it makes things worse, and a lot of the posts for this are just "good idea!" or people talking about how this move that's supposed to be for more visibility makes them happy because it directly makes certain things less visible.
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The only thing I'd add to that is that considering what is happening in the world at large and in the US more specifically right now, the political threads should be MORE visible, NOT isolated in their own corner where the "head in the sand" people can easily avoid them...

Reacting to this change by saying "Yay, I won't have to see all the political bullshit anymore" is a terrible thing to say....
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There were some reasonable people willing to call them out though.
A lot of posts in this thread are the reason why so many people make fun of this forum.
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These people seriously think they're on some righteous crusade (on a video forum mind you) and that others should be forced to read their fearmongering and never-ending outrage. We are not foced to engage in political discussion in the real world and I feel we shouldn't be forced to do so on enthusiast hobby forums either. I do think there IS a place for that, but that it should be quarentined in its own spot so the discussion elsewhere doesn't suffer. ERA is basically the unbearable parts of old GAF that popped up around the last election, only multiplied by an order of magnitude of crazy, and they just will not let it go. It's totally bizarre to me.
 
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Luke Fon Fabre said:
Imagine have that kind of boner for a user which is not going to come back anymore. For someone who post long posts, it seems you are only interested to complaint about ResetEra :lollipop_grinning_smiling_eyes:
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If you would take a look at my post history would know that this is not the case. I call it more reporting, but you are right, i do post quite a bit about it. But like i said, it isn't what i am only interested in. You would know if you read through my post history. So why the personal remark, Luke?

If i have to base my opinion on your own post history, since you only registered this Tuesday, as of now, you have only posted in threads that address ERA. Thus, the percentage of your activity in ERA complaint threads is 100%. Given i have more posts, my average is undoubtely less.

So, welcome to these forums! What brought you here, Luke? :lollipop_smiling_face_eyes: and what are your interests?
 
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PhoReal said:
Yep. This place as it is now feels like the rest of the internet (i.e. normal) and I'm with you on hoping that it stays like this, even as people return over time. I think moving Politics to its own section will help ensure this.

I learned over the weekend that the ERA community is strictly against separating politics from discussions no matter what. When various users started expressing their desire to move politics to a different section the nutters chimed in and their responses were very eye-opening:







There were some reasonable people willing to call them out though.


These people seriously think they're on some righteous crusade (on a video forum mind you) and that others should be forced to read their fearmongering and never-ending outrage. We are not foced to engage in political discussion in the real world and I feel we shouldn't be forced to do so on enthusiast hobby forums either. I do think there IS a place for that, but that it should be quarentined in its own spot so the discussion elsewhere doesn't suffer. ERA is basically the unbearable parts of old GAF that popped up around the last election, only multiplied by an order of magnitude of crazy, and they just will not let it go. It's totally bizarre to me.
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Very well written. There is certainly a feeling of oppression and almost a surreal sense of some kind of a dystopian regime holding all the cards. The hate for opposing views is equally matched by the hate for balanced views. Essentially if you are not off the same mind, you are the enemy.

It's clear many are getting by, by simply keeping their heads down, walking on egg shells just to be able to partake in gaming debates. The place is not for like minded gamers, it is for like minded political idealists primarily.

Things are becoming very scary, and I worry for our future generations.
 
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Very well written. There is certainly a feeling of oppression and almost a surreal sense of some kind of a dystopian regime holding all the cards. The hate for opposing views is equally matched by the hate for balanced views. Essentially if you are not off the same mind, you are the enemy.

It's clear many are getting by, by simply keeping their heads down, walking on egg shells just to be able to partake in gaming debates. The place is not for like minded gamers, it is for like minded political idealists primarily.

Things are becoming very scary, and I worry for our future generations.
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I worry too. Especially since I'm raising two daughters and I want them to be both reasonable and capable of thinking independently. There were ERA users who were against moving politics out of off-topic discussion because they claim that's where they get all of their news. Even people who aren't from the US. I personally can't imagine having my world view shaped by that place. There's never any nuance.

The thing for me is, even if I agree with the thoughts and opinions expressed on ERA, I very rarely agree with the way they express them. They come across as combative and tribalistic. People wait for the correct thoughts and opinions to form on any given subject, then collectively repeat them ad nauseam and the majority of it is never thought-provoking or interesting.
 
Grinchy said:
This thread about the Twitter CEO overturning a decision to ban Alex Jones is a really good example of what is wrong with that site.

I'm not any kind of fan of Alex Jones, but look at these responses. It starts immediately. The CEO is a white supremacist, Nazi, and a racist all because he wanted to try to let the crazy guy yell on the street corner.
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I thought you were exaggerating, but then the comments are:

"I always knew JD had white supremacist leanings."
 
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