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[#Phonepunk#]

The binary sunset is one of the most memorable, mystical scenes in the Star Wars trilogy. I remember as a kid absolutely being entranced by the feeling it gave off. The visuals and music marry so perfectly, the lighting is perfect, the place in the story is perfect. A lot of people give GL crap for producing a boring intro but the whole desert atmosphere is really quite otherworldly and sets this zenlike tone. The blinking lights, futuristic beacons in this otherwise desolate landscape, it all adds up to a thing of beauty. So it made sense for GL to reference it during the PT. He knew of it's potency and used it as a much needed sun-RISE, providing a rey of hope to cap off the devastating emotional conclusion to the prequel trilogy.

Rian Johnson tapped into this very scene for it's powerful nostalgia reasons in order to make his murder of Luke Skywalker look noble and meaningful. In truth, I found it a baffling, cynical choice, to follow up a brutal battle with his evil nephew with... a serene shot of a sunset?? huh?? a minute earlier he is screaming across the galaxy and he dies content? like much of the film, it was forced and made no sense. nonetheless, even the "subvert expectations" guy couldn't resist using the one scene everyone loves the most to try and wrench emotion from Luke's death. He failed.

Will JJ do the same? The scene is the perhaps the most beloved, most mystical shot in the series.* Given the fact that the trailer is already showing us things other Star Wars films have already had, I don't think it is out of the question. And if he puts it at the end, he can say "It rhymes, it's like poetry" hell maybe he can have a character actually say that, since they have all seen the OT anyways...

*The reason this shot is so mystical is it's origins as one of GL's early abstract films. During his days as a film student, he was interested in people like Stan Brackhage and Jordan Belson and John Whitney, he knew all about these abstract filmmakers, and was producing student work inspired by them. The sunset desert shots , and indeed the whole feeling of that first section of ANH, was largely influenced by an ambient student film he made in 1967.


Ironic that this is now just another piece of IP in some mega corporation's toybox.

 

[EviLore]

Binary lens flare

 

[Tesseract]

i don't think so, they already used it on luke, jj prolly gonna add a double lens flare camera shake no scope shot and roll credits to a snoop dogg track



*edit* lore you fucking monster

 

[Ovek]

You might get to see it during the film if Red letter medias recent terrible theory of time travel comes to pass.

 

[Ichabod]

You might get to see it during the film if Red letter medias recent terrible theory of time travel comes to pass.

I think this is the more interesting thing to speculate about, honestly. I really could care less if they reference the ANH suns or not. They haven't stopped milking the teets of OT nostalgia since this new trilogy began so I don't see any reason why Disney would stop now.

 

[kunonabi]

As creatively bankrupt as Disney is I still cant imagine them going back to that particular well again.

 

[iconmaster]

As creatively bankrupt as Disney is I still cant imagine them going back to that particular well again.

It's probably pretty far down their list of Things to Mine From the Original Trilogy In the Hopes of Appeasing Fans and Not Flushing This Multibillion Dollar Property Any Further Down the Toilet.

 

[Teletraan1]

The movie will end with Rey, Poe, Chewy, Finn and Rose at Tosche Station picking up some power converters with force ghosts of Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Leia, Vader, Snoke, Palpatine and Kylo Ren standing in the background with a remix of Yub Nub playing.

 

[kegkilla]

Who gives a fuck? This shit is awful.

 

[GV82]

Yes probably or a Celebration of sorts.

Or all the Jedi Force ghosts from all 9 movies including mace Windu, qui gon , Obi Wan , Luke, Ben , Anakin etc

Star Wars Jedi Assembled.

 

[Trojita]

That Star is non-binary now.

 

[CeroFrio996]

Is that like... a scientific way to refer to two stars setting in tandem? Cuz "binary sunset" sounds like something from a horrible video game were the night/ day cycle has no transition.

 

[Mr Nash]

They're re-used so much already, why stop there?

 

[Javthusiast]

Hack Jar Jar Abrams will use every iconic visual, plot and character he can shove in there, cause that's what he does. That's what disney does.

 

[Randall365]

The Last Jedi is a complete pile of fucking shit

 

[Super Mario]

Jar Jar force ghost

 

[Elcid]

You'll have to update to this and let me know cause I'm not watching that shit.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

Themeatically, it would have to be a sunrise. Probably a trinary one with a group of people.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

guess what they used as the first scene in the latest teaser?

 

[Big-G]

As creatively bankrupt as Disney is I still cant imagine them going back to that particular well again.

They are remaking all of their Animated movies into live action.....don't underestimate them

 

[ZehDon]

They don't have a clue what to do with Star Wars, so you fucking bet they'll go with the binary sunset. They're bringing the Emperor back because Rian Johnson "Rian Johnsoned" the trilogy and they've got nowhere to go, nothing new established, and no imagery that belongs to their new characters to call back to.
Rey, looking out over the desert, just like Luke in Ep IV. Circle close. Written and Directed by JJ Abrams. Thank fuck this embarrassing mess is over with.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

latest "leak" thinks so

Spoiler: some reddit link that may have spoilers maybe not

 

[#Phonepunk#]

So far from all the leaks it sounds like they have shot 8 different versions of the Twin Suns scene

 

[ExpandKong]

Nah they're gonna do what they did with Starkiller Base in TFA

They're gonna pull up a hologram of the Tattoine sunset and someone will say "Here's this iconic thing from the original movie"

Then they'll pan out and BLAM TRIPLE SUNSET "And here's the one we have in our movie, you'll see that it is better because it is kind of like that thing from the movie you love but bigger and more."

Then, I dunno, fuckin Jabba's Force ghost breakdances in the background.

 

[MisterHero]

They already did it on Ach-To. It didn't make sense at all. I guess they can shoehorn it in again

 

[MayauMiao]

The use of binary sunset will generate outrage from the perpetually offended because it enforces the view of 2 gender.

 

[Soltype]

Naw, they'll blow one up and end with one sun, signaling change.

 

[crowbrow]

It would be a sunset that identifies as a sunrise.

 

[Caffeine]

the dual suns were just symbolism for hope. in ep 2 they start setting as anikan rides to go kill the woman and children, in ep3 they are rising as newborn luke is there. in ep4 they are rising as look gazes upon them he is the new hope. in ep8 luke thinks he see's the suns on Ach-To as he is fading away from putting to much strain on himself after being cut off from the force for years. So I guess hope dies because of rian johnson. When rey wins (she always does) I guess she inherits that burned down moisture farm but her staring at the suns is just nostalgia bait and I do hope JJ throws in some massive lens flare.

 

[Sorcerer]

They are probably just going to blow up the already blown up Death Star, which in itself is preposterous because the Death Star in Return was blown to space dust, no piece of it fell off. I won't be surprised if they retcon Jedi and have that chunk of the Death Star falling off, possibly showing it fall planetside.

The current trilogy started off bereft of any original ideas, so they redid a New Hope. Then JJ says fuck it I'm not doing a second one. They let Rian do whatever he wanted because there was no plan to begin with. (It's unfortunate but maybe he could have done a decent stand alone film). Now they have to tie it all up with complete fan service. Its a lost cause and Disney/Lucas know it. Maybe next time they will actually come up with a plan before a single camera rolls. I guess they just assumed slapping Star Wars on any old shit would bring in the cash. They must have looked at the prequels and thought, nobody liked those but they made money hand over fist. Its so unfortunate, I like Daisy Ridley, but she got stuck in a terrible trilogy. I wish the movies could have been better.

 

[Evil Calvin]

The movie will end with Rey, Poe, Chewy, Finn and Rose at Tosche Station picking up some power converters with force ghosts of Yoda, Obiwan, Luke, Leia, Vader, Snoke, Palpatine and Kylo Ren standing in the background with a remix of Yub Nub playing.

and Han!

 

[Sorcerer]

and Han!

You are not too far off, some current rumors point to Han returning as a Force Ghost.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

Looks like we have confirmation.

So predictable

 

[Deleted member 1159]

The theme that plays during the scene (is it called binary sunset or the force theme?) really converts my power every time. It's goosebumps in musical form. John Williams is a genius

Wasting it on trash is....hmph!

 

[-Arcadia-]

I think the issue is less whether it ends on a Tatooine sunset or not, which feels completely appropriate for Star Wars...

But whether or not the journey there earned it. Post-Last Jedi, it really feels like it's not possible, no matter how much JJ desperately tries to fix this with metaphorical duct tape everywhere.

Hence, you've just got pure cringe, with dragging one of 1977's best scenes into a far inferior story. I feel the same way about this "Skywalker Saga" marketing, and the "end of the saga". This story hasn't earned the right to do, or connect to any of these things.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I think the issue is less whether it ends on a Tatooine sunset or not, which feels completely appropriate for Star Wars...

it feels appropriate for Anakin, who was born there, it feels appropriate for Luke, who was raised there, but Rey has never been to the planet in her life. the only way that feels appropriate is in the way that everything about the ST is a meta reference to the OT and doing the least inventive thing you can think of. the fact that they referenced this twice in the same trilogy is just LOL. the best example of how little imagination these hacks have.

The theme that plays during the scene (is it called binary sunset or the force theme?) really converts my power every time. It's goosebumps in musical form. John Williams is a genius

oh yeah when i was a kid that scene and the music was so meaningful. but when you have people copy that shit over and over, it doesn't have the same effect. sorry, JJ and Rian, you can't copy "soul"

 

[SidViscous]

Edit: someone already made the joke.

 

[Virex]

This is very oppressive. I wanted a non-binary sunset

 

[plushyp]

The theme that plays during the scene (is it called binary sunset or the force theme?) really converts my power every time. It's goosebumps in musical form. John Williams is a genius

Wasting it on trash is....hmph!

I loved how Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 used the musical cues from it whenever the player did Light side actions.