Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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HellforLeather
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hopefully not.
Captain Zyrain
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I am guessing the 4th 100,000 will be 2-3 days? We will get there tomorrow. Unlikely today, but I guess technically possible.
MichaelRR1989
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China is going to pay dearly for this. As will the Democrats and Globalists. Globalization was a planned disaster. It started getting noticeably bad with Bill Clinton's election in 1992.
jshackles
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Brown issues 'stay at home' order, effective immediately
Governor Kate Brown ordered Oregonians to stay at home or face the penalty of a misdemeanor.
www.kezi.com
Failure to comply with the order will be considered an immediate danger to public health and subject to a Class C misdemeanor.
betrayal
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That's all right. Flattening the curve is not a black and white thing. There's a place in between, too.
Most lockdowns will last a few weeks (6+). In some less affected regions within the countries they will certainly be shorter. The point is to reduce the number of cases considerably, which will allow a lockdown to be reduced bit by bit. The aim is to reach a point where each infection can be traced back to its origin and the infection chains can be identified. When you get back to this point, which is the ultimate goal, you can contain a virus very well without a complete lockdown.
By the way, many people will be surprised how quickly you get used to the new living situation. Human beings have a strength that distinguishes them from all other living beings, and that is precisely the ability to adapt.
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AsylumKeeper
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Wtf is this crazy talk now?
Captain Zyrain
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Virginia closed
Mihos
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My state has the same.
Liquor stores are considered essential here. I love my state.
eot
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The Who and The WHO are different things. Wish she'd pronounce it like the acronym it is.
Anyway, I have a lot of issues with China, but the west fucked up equally much. Even now US nurses are getting in trouble for warning about PPE shortages, and we still tolerate China harvesting organs, won't acknowledge Taiwan, let them fuck over Tibet etc. Yes, China should be held responsible, for a lot of god damn things. Singling out this one, because it affected us and not people we don't see or care about, is pure pandering.
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HellforLeather
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Whelp, just got a phonecall from one of our major vendors in Wisconsin. They will be shutting down tonight. First supplier casualty of a shut down so far which is a bit bizzare since we support essential functions.
Captain Zyrain
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And now from our entertainment department...
Setzer
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triplestation
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do you think rain will help spread covid19?
when vapors evaporate could that shit carry traces and scatter that shit?
when vapors evaporate could that shit carry traces and scatter that shit?
Setzer
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I guess he doesn't have it...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28942471/charles-barkley-negative-virus-feeling-ill
crowbrow
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Humidity in the air increases chances of infection definitely.
triplestation
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welp i guess i'm definitely staying home today
Captain Zyrain
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Spain update:
COVID-19: Spanish minister says older people found 'dead and abandoned'
Via The Guardian: Spanish minister says older people found 'dead and abandoned'. Excerpt: Soldiers drafted in to help Spain tackle the coronavirus pandemic by disinfecting and running residential homes have found a number of elderly people abandoned and dead in...
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Deleted member 17706
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Testing is certainly accelerating...
It would be if we had the testing capacity. Of course, if zero tests were performed, we'd have zero growth in cases. That's why I'm skeptical of "official cases" numbers revealing the actual extent of the rate of infection.
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Mihos
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It is the opposite of that.
Dr. Alan Evangelista, a microbiology and virology professor at St. Christopher's Hospital for Children in Philadelphia, has studied common coronaviruses and influenza particles for eight years. He says his research indicates that "the size and overall composition of [the novel coronavirus] particle is similar to other coronaviruses we have tested" -- meaning his findings may shed light on how the coronavirus spreads, and possibly how it dies out. Those findings show that "transmission is highly efficient under drier and colder conditions," but far less so in a humid environment.
There are many, many papers on this, but you can google those yourself. It is also one of the reasons there is a flu 'season' to begin with.
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DragoonKain
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Captain Zyrain
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Something something moisture in the air makes it harder for the virus to travel far.
DeepEnigma
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Come on Florida summer, don't let us down!
Blond
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How is it crazy talk? I'm pretty center left but there's no way that this going unanswered for, even if today everything comes hold, we found a cocktail that works and everything starts going back to normal as normal can be, you really think the world doesn't have eyes on China? We let a country who uses artificial intelligence to censor Winnie the Pooh hide a virus that's causing entire countries to shut down and the world economy to be affected. There's no way in hell that even if it's all paperwork the world will get use to a new normal, trust me on that.
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GamingKaiju
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not sure if this has been posted yet, but quite useful for UK folks to see how their region is doing
Coronavirus Live Map UK
A live map showing coronavirus cases and deaths across the UK. Data from NHS UK and Public Health England.www.covidlive.co.uk
Thanks for this. So many hot spots building in the UK I hope people listen to the advice and just stay at home.
betrayal
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You both are right and wrong.
A low temperature with low OR very high relative humidity are optimal conditions for the virus to spread.
At warmer temperatures, on the other hand, the higher the relative humidity, the worse for the spread of the virus.
crowbrow
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Oh interesting, thanks!
TTOOLL
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Screamer-RSA
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South Africa going into full lock down for 21 days from midnight Thursday. 406 cases and counting.
Raven117
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Trump said as much. Hell, even Cuomo said this is not sustainable. (And it isint).
Do we even have the data that "shelter at home" even works?
In the end, the show most go on. Compatatively, some folks getting sick while many others potentially starve is the decision that must be made.
DragoonKain
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They are not, the economy is fucked anyway and will be if a mass outbreak like in Italy happens everywhere and people start dying en masse. We have two choices. 1) Economy is fucked and people live. 2) Economy is fucked and people die.
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It's always been a balance and always will be... We can't let the idea of preventing spread of disease supersede the idea of keeping a cohesive and functioning democratic society.
For example, we were more or less "fine" with millions catching the flu, hundreds of thousands being hospitalized, and tens of thousands dying from it each year up until now.
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DunDunDunpachi
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This is predicated on the assumption that Italy is a representative case, which it isn't. I'm not advocating that people throw caution to the wind, but there were three major factors that caused Italy to suffer:
1. nearby hub of chinese factory workers flown in and out of Wuhan on a regular basis
2. population of elderly
3. citizens behaved irresponsibly instead of lockdown/social distancing
Think through the scenario. What happens when hospitals stop receiving basics? What happens when parts to repair vehicles stop being made? What happens when power lines cease to be maintained? What happens when the pantry runs dry and there is no food on the (closed) store shelves?
The economy must continue at some level or we won't even be able to support the services we currently have. There's also the very real threat of politicians leveraging this situation for power-plays.
cryptoadam
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It is, but its because of increased testing and completed test. This was basically a backlog, and we also our counting presumed cases. So basically these cases should of been included in the past days.
But ya just had a lockdown of all non essential business here. All malls etc closed till May 1st, and the essential business lockdown is till April 15th.
Basically Legault is stepping up his game. We are probably about a week to 10 days away from the army coming in and a complete quarantine.
There was a bunch of idiots who had a wedding in Montreal in Cote-St-Luc. As a Jew I am ashamed of my fellow Jews and the 350 guests who went to this wedding instead of listening to our PM and following the directives. My GF works within the community and she told me yesterday that a lot of the guests were infected and the numbers we had on the weekend were not reflective of all the cases from that wedding.
On another board I frequent they said there was another wedding on Thursday in the same area.
So we have fuckers holding weddings in the middle of pandemic.
Jack Videogames
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Hey remember Spain's equality minister that got COVID after attending the VERY NECESSARY 8M wymyn demonstrations?
Well, all four people in this photo are infected now. Stupid games were played...
Well, all four people in this photo are infected now. Stupid games were played...
cryptoadam
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Is the world so inept that we can't do what SK/Japan/Taiwan/HK did?
I am scared as shit as anyone now, I am immuno compromised so don't like my chances. But if those other countries didn't turn into Mad Max then we shouldn't, well at least Canada shouldn't. My friends in the USA you guys should also be able to survive.
Like I get it we joke Asians are good at math and science, but they seem to be living and didn't let their countries look like a nuclear holocaust.
Its scary now because we have never had to deal with something like this. It feels like the world is going to end. But if those Asian countries can do it why cant we? Or we all just move there, they got the hottest chicks in Asia anyways.
I am scared as shit as anyone now, I am immuno compromised so don't like my chances. But if those other countries didn't turn into Mad Max then we shouldn't, well at least Canada shouldn't. My friends in the USA you guys should also be able to survive.
Like I get it we joke Asians are good at math and science, but they seem to be living and didn't let their countries look like a nuclear holocaust.
Its scary now because we have never had to deal with something like this. It feels like the world is going to end. But if those Asian countries can do it why cant we? Or we all just move there, they got the hottest chicks in Asia anyways.
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DragoonKain
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But we also have much more people than Italy, and 40% of our country is obese. We cannot sacrifice the welfare of our citizens for the economy. The economy will rebound. Lives lost are lost forever. I think things will get really bad if we just pull out of these measures in 2 weeks. And people will be freaking out, paranoid, afraid to leave their houses, distracted at work. Productivity will not be equal to that of a healthy work force.
DragoonKain
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Kadayi
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UK increase to 6650(+967) which equates to a 17% gain which also coincidentally represents a 17% detection rate based on the 5605 new tests undertaken.
Did a bit of a lunchtime walk in my nearby park, quite a few people out and about (the nice weather having an impact no doubt) though everyone markedly keeping the 2-meter distance being advised by the government.
Also for funsies: -
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HellforLeather
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Its not very enforceable but as long as MOST people follow the guidelines, it will still be a massive improvement v. people just crowding into bars, restaurants, clubs, etc etc.
I like you better when you're positive.
Staying in this thread breeds pessimism.
Gotta have hope, brother.
gamerMan
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Yes, obesity is a risk factor. People who are obese have lungs that can't fully inflate. Further, early research has shown that Covis-19 attaches to ACE2 receptors in the lungs. Obese people have more ACE2 receptors.
I know it was mentioned here, but I just want to emphasize it again. There is growing evidence in the medical community that some people who have Covid-19 experience loss of taste and smell. If you experience these symptoms, please call a doctor, get tested, or quarantine. Here is the study: https://www.entuk.org/sites/default/files/files/Loss of sense of smell as marker of COVID.pdf
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DunDunDunpachi
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This dude has daughters and a wife. I'm honestly shocked he's so ignorant as to the female overuse of toilet paper. His calculations of 20 sheets per shit need to be quadrupled
It isn't an either/or situation. I'm not referring to a nebulous "THE ECONOMY" when I say that the economy must continue at some level. I am referring to the basic services that will need to continue so that people can survive.
Again, not suggesting that Italy pull out of these measures (yet) but this situation requires more nuance. We can be safe and also try to get parts of the economy going again. The economic momentum will ensure that people still have food and supplies to buy.
Captain Zyrain
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So yeah, Cruises are a bad idea
Spain:
Italy silver lining?
Spain:
Italy silver lining?
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TTOOLL
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I don't agree, but ok. Genuine question, did China lockdown ALL the country?
Kenpachii
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Anyway dutch government did some new restrictions today after "fuck corona party's' and massive gatherings on beaches this weekend etc where nobody stayed distanced which pissed off a lot of people.
The rules are.
1) Only 3 people can maximal visit people at home not more, avoid any contact with people that isn't absolute nessesary stay distances even at home 1,5 meters away from people
2) If you get fever the whole family of that house will have to stay at home
3) Shops and public transport need to provide 1,5 distance for their consumers if its not possible u cannot open then.
4) All gatherings of 100 people or more are forbidden, which was already the case, but it gets expanded on that all gatherings bigger then 3 will be forbidden, for funerals and church marriages things will be different more info follows on that
5) barbers, beatysalons and other similiaire company's will have to close down for the next 2 months.
6) Casino's will be closed down.
7) holiday parks will need to apply towards 1,5 meter rule and additional demands if they can not apply towards them for any reason they will be shut down.
8) Majors get more power so they can close any public space the moment they see groups forming 3 or more people, they will get new authority which results in fining people up to 4000 euro's if they do not apply towards the rules. People from the same family will be excluded from this.
9) food markets will be controlled by mayors for licensing if they can or can't stay open, depends on if the food is crucial for the neightbourhoods.
10) only one person can shop for the family its no longer a social thing with more people from the same family unless there is absolute no way to not do so.
11) Therapists etc will be limited towards video calls, if its not possible through video calls then clients can still visit with a doctors note if needed. This is to protect health workers.
Other additional things that are going to happen, and the state of IC units and intensive care rooms + hospitals.
Current corona patients are easily handled by the system just yet, but preparations are made for a big outbreak.
1) Hospitals are finished rebuilding to the point it can absorb the maximum capacity of corona patients with IC units.
2) Military is put in place to coordinate and finished building a crisis centrum with health organisations that will redirect corona patients if hospitals get overwhelmed ( for the future ) so hospitals don't fall over.
3) IC ( air breath machines ) will be confiscated in other proffessions and rebuilded to add towards extra units for the worst case scenario from private clinics and operation rooms.
4) More IC units that where old and written off will be repaired and added towards the current IC units, also brand new units that have been stockpiled before the outbreak will be tested and put to use if needed.
5) Loads more IC units are ordered but we can't relay on them to arrive, but still ordered for the chance it does to add towards the extra stockpile
6) New company's are builded right now to build IC units so this is ready when the patient amount will grow also which again adds towards the stockpile of IC untis
7) Current corona patients are spread towards other hospitals from the south to the north to free up all the space needed for more corona patients in the south, with militaire help.
Financial institutes:
Because of the strong market position and loads of money hoarding through the last couple of years for crisis situations, banks will absorb the financial hit that gets created on not paying mortgages etc, which they can easily do.
As of now the rules will stay in place for the next 2 months and will expand if needed.
Oh its going to become far more worse my friend.
The rules are.
1) Only 3 people can maximal visit people at home not more, avoid any contact with people that isn't absolute nessesary stay distances even at home 1,5 meters away from people
2) If you get fever the whole family of that house will have to stay at home
3) Shops and public transport need to provide 1,5 distance for their consumers if its not possible u cannot open then.
4) All gatherings of 100 people or more are forbidden, which was already the case, but it gets expanded on that all gatherings bigger then 3 will be forbidden, for funerals and church marriages things will be different more info follows on that
5) barbers, beatysalons and other similiaire company's will have to close down for the next 2 months.
6) Casino's will be closed down.
7) holiday parks will need to apply towards 1,5 meter rule and additional demands if they can not apply towards them for any reason they will be shut down.
8) Majors get more power so they can close any public space the moment they see groups forming 3 or more people, they will get new authority which results in fining people up to 4000 euro's if they do not apply towards the rules. People from the same family will be excluded from this.
9) food markets will be controlled by mayors for licensing if they can or can't stay open, depends on if the food is crucial for the neightbourhoods.
10) only one person can shop for the family its no longer a social thing with more people from the same family unless there is absolute no way to not do so.
11) Therapists etc will be limited towards video calls, if its not possible through video calls then clients can still visit with a doctors note if needed. This is to protect health workers.
Other additional things that are going to happen, and the state of IC units and intensive care rooms + hospitals.
Current corona patients are easily handled by the system just yet, but preparations are made for a big outbreak.
1) Hospitals are finished rebuilding to the point it can absorb the maximum capacity of corona patients with IC units.
2) Military is put in place to coordinate and finished building a crisis centrum with health organisations that will redirect corona patients if hospitals get overwhelmed ( for the future ) so hospitals don't fall over.
3) IC ( air breath machines ) will be confiscated in other proffessions and rebuilded to add towards extra units for the worst case scenario from private clinics and operation rooms.
4) More IC units that where old and written off will be repaired and added towards the current IC units, also brand new units that have been stockpiled before the outbreak will be tested and put to use if needed.
5) Loads more IC units are ordered but we can't relay on them to arrive, but still ordered for the chance it does to add towards the extra stockpile
6) New company's are builded right now to build IC units so this is ready when the patient amount will grow also which again adds towards the stockpile of IC untis
7) Current corona patients are spread towards other hospitals from the south to the north to free up all the space needed for more corona patients in the south, with militaire help.
Financial institutes:
Because of the strong market position and loads of money hoarding through the last couple of years for crisis situations, banks will absorb the financial hit that gets created on not paying mortgages etc, which they can easily do.
As of now the rules will stay in place for the next 2 months and will expand if needed.
Oh its going to become far more worse my friend.
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