eot
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That's blatantly false, plenty of people have warned about the potential of this happening, estimated our preparedness etc.
Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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crowbrow
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I have seen a bunch just google search it
Tesseract
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who you calling daywalker, bitch
Pasedo
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The only ones I come across are the ones published by a media outlet. E.g CNN 26 yr old share experiences etc. Where's the random stuff. Just every day people posting in a forum. Even in YouTube there aren't any video of regular people posting their experiences. Again they're through a media publisher.
Birdo
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I've been wanting to ask this, but it's a bit conspiracy-ish.
Where the hell are these 80,000+ people who recovered? The news keeps rolling out the same five people to tell us about their experience, some of which act suspicious (The guy in the Sun article was a straight-up actor, as people were pointing out).
You'd think there would be far more.
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Pasedo
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That's exactly what I mean man! Like surely there will be a few people who post a video on YouTube. Like their daily journey having coronavirus or something like that. People post other stupid fucking daily shit. That stuff would be useful so a paranoid fucker like myself can hear it from a more genuine every day person what it's like. But instead you're right we get experiences of the same people through the media outlets. Something is up man.
Phunkydiabetic
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It can easily border into conspiracy theory territory here but I have started to think the same thing. I'm not sure I would go as far as to say the internet is scrubbing them out, but it is slightly disconcerting that you just arent really hearing anything other than the media outlet sanctioned stories going around.
DunDunDunpachi
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Are you saying you want old people to die?!?
Pasedo
Member
Well im relieved I'm not the only one who has noticed it. I'm not trying to create conspiracy it's just a simple observation which baffles me. Though if we were to talk about conspiracy my bet is that the illuminati is behind the coronavirus.
TheSadRanger
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Goddamnit Kojima
crowbrow
Banned
It could be that they don't want random people spreading false hope and solutions everywhere. Like a guy gets cured by doing nothing and then he's on YouTube claiming that it's just a mild flu and then others who are at a bigger risk start also not taking it seriously.
keraj37
Contacted PSN to add his card back to his account
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Possible, but the problem with this theory is that YouTube, social media, and the internet at large must've suddenly gotten 1,000x more efficient at culling Wrongthink™ in the blink of an eye.
We'd first start to see a lot more "I got better from COVID 19 but YouTube demonetized my video!!!" if it was happening at such a scale.
No it doesn't.
The virus has no vaccine but it is understood that the vast majority of cases will be mild or no symptoms.
People will die anyway. Many of those who have died had other conditions that would have also likely killed them.
So while the number of critical cases is manageable for healthcare services we can go about business as usual.
As those cases start to ramp up we gradually impose restrictions to help slow the spread.
They can't just go into full lockdown on a whim because being in lockdown for 2 weeks longer than is necessary is not a good thing.
They aren't waiting for the number of deaths to go up they are waiting for the number of critical cases to reach a particular point before accelerating stricter measures.
It's always about balancing many different factors. It was never going to be "let's implement strict measures ASAP!"
That's the sensible way to deal with this.
lifa-cobex
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GamingKaiju
Member
I would say so.
This might actually reveal the extent of manipulation and astroturfing on the Internet.
Very likely that most governments are up to something like this.
Pasedo
Member
I look at it like this. Usually when I buy something I have no experience with i like to hear or see other peoples experiences with it. I find its more credible info than what I read on a review article from a publisher thats highly biased because of some sort of financial arrangement. I don't just get one real life opinion but multiple and then I feel I can have an informed point of view. I'd like to develop a pov this way about the coronavirus from real everyday people who caught it so I can feel better prepared. But this doesn't exist and instead we're getting what the media outlets want us to see.
llien
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It is understood that nearly 20% of infected need medical assistance, 4% are critical.
80% have "mild condition" and can stay home. Of them:
50% have light or no symptoms.
30% have fever and what not
Yes it does, as seen in Italy, Spain, France, Germany, USA, Belgium... oh wait, almost everywhere.
We get to new round of infected people, which is followed by late response of the government.
How convenient.
BULLSHIT. The whistleblower who died from C19 was a young healthy man.
Fuck off with "it's just like H1N1" already, it's fucking 24th of March...
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Shantae
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I keep seeing conflicting information, but have GI problems been linked to this virus at all? I've been mostly fine, my nose is always running from allergies, so it's hard to judge from that, but the past few days I have had really bad GI problems. I normally suffer from IBS, so at first it wasn't a problem, but this seems more common than usual and more aggressive for the past 3-4 days.
I work at a hospital, so one of the ladies who was doing wellness check ins at the entrance told me that GI problems were not associated with it, and yet when I spoke to one of my coworkers before I left, she said she thought she did hear the GI was now being acknowledged as a potential symptom.
I don't know what I can really do about it though, can't even get tested for this shit without a doctor appointment first, and I had a hard time setting up appointments even before this pandemic because they were always so booked.
I work at a hospital, so one of the ladies who was doing wellness check ins at the entrance told me that GI problems were not associated with it, and yet when I spoke to one of my coworkers before I left, she said she thought she did hear the GI was now being acknowledged as a potential symptom.
I don't know what I can really do about it though, can't even get tested for this shit without a doctor appointment first, and I had a hard time setting up appointments even before this pandemic because they were always so booked.
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Robot Carnival
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the summer Olympic in Tokyo is officially postponed until next year now
www.nytimes.com
www.cbssports.com
a shame but it's pretty much inevitable. only up side would be that travel to Japan once this whole thing dies down, would be pretty offerable.
I.O.C. and Japan Agree to Postpone Tokyo Olympics (Published 2020)
The decision came after swelling resistance from nations and athletes to holding the Games amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Tokyo Olympics: Japan, IOC officially agree to postpone Summer Games to 2021
This marks only the fourth time in the history of the modern Olympics that the Games are being postponed
www.cbssports.com
a shame but it's pretty much inevitable. only up side would be that travel to Japan once this whole thing dies down, would be pretty offerable.
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VGEsoterica
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Checking in from Chicago. Day 12 of working from / staying at home. Have another 14 to go unless the Governor extends or shortens it. Thank god for Animal Crossing is all im saying!
VGEsoterica
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the summer Olympic in Tokyo is officially postponed until next year now
I.O.C. and Japan Agree to Postpone Tokyo Olympics (Published 2020)
The decision came after swelling resistance from nations and athletes to holding the Games amid the coronavirus pandemic.
a shame but it's pretty much inevitable. only up side would be that travel to Japan once this whole thing dies down, would be pretty offerable.
I am really surprised it took them this long. I get that postponing the Olympics is no small thing but it literally seemed like the only event that hadn't cancelled yet
Batiman
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He's the damn reason half the people think it's no big deal. Said some really dumb shit that idiots still believe
Robot Carnival
Member
I suppose Japan didn't want it postpone due to the economic impact and the IOC also want to wait until it's sure that there is absolutely no other choices (which would be last week or earlier if you ask me). but at least they finally bite the bullet and did the right thing.
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DunDunDunpachi
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Missed opportunity to turn eSports into an Olympic event early.the summer Olympic in Tokyo is officially postponed until next year now
I.O.C. and Japan Agree to Postpone Tokyo Olympics (Published 2020)
The decision came after swelling resistance from nations and athletes to holding the Games amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Tokyo Olympics: Japan, IOC officially agree to postpone Summer Games to 2021
This marks only the fourth time in the history of the modern Olympics that the Games are being postponed
a shame but it's pretty much inevitable. only up side would be that travel to Japan once this whole thing dies down, would be pretty offerable.
ranmafan
Member
the summer Olympic in Tokyo is officially postponed until next year now
I.O.C. and Japan Agree to Postpone Tokyo Olympics (Published 2020)
The decision came after swelling resistance from nations and athletes to holding the Games amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Tokyo Olympics: Japan, IOC officially agree to postpone Summer Games to 2021
This marks only the fourth time in the history of the modern Olympics that the Games are being postponed
a shame but it's pretty much inevitable. only up side would be that travel to Japan once this whole thing dies down, would be pretty offerable.
The right decision, and Im glad they finally made the announcement. However Im also quite sad about it. My lifelong dream of going to the olympics was only about 120 days away. At least its just a delay and not a cancelation. Hopefully they don't pull any funny business with the tickets people like myself have bought. It was a pain in the butt to get them here in Japan, I would hate to lose them due to the delay.
But man this year sucks. Worst ever by far for me. Damn this virus!
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Kagey K
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The list of "essential services" in Ontario is a joke.
s3.amazonaws.com
Its basically everyone except hairdressers and clothing stores.
List of Essential Workplaces
For the purposes of this order, businesses include any-for-profit, non-profit or other entity providing the goods and services described herein. This does not pr...
s3.amazonaws.com
Its basically everyone except hairdressers and clothing stores.
Airbus Jr
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China concealed and exported the coronavirus
What the Chinese dictatorship has done is an attack against humanity. They hid information, destroyed samples, stopped tests, denied for weeks what they already knew.
It is in a dictatorship, where they shut up who they want, where there is no freedom, that a virus that could be controlled in time was hidden until the entire world was already in danger.
The virus that is killing people around the world is a Chinese virus. It is in a dictatorship, where they shut up who they want, where there is no freedom, that a virus that could be controlled in time was hidden until the entire world was already in danger.
The Chinese dictatorship had in its hands the possibility of saving thousands of people, its own and the entire world, but what it decided to do - when the time was right - was to destroy samples, stop the tests and, above all, hide what what was happening.
In December 2019 Chinese laboratories had identified the new highly infectious virus that was already wreaking havoc in China, the dictatorship prevented scientists from doing the right thing: alert the world, give the information they had and thereby allow scientists and experts from the world They will quickly start working on a vaccine and on the measures necessary to stop the spread.
In Wuhan, where the outbreak began, the dictatorship ordered to destroy the laboratory samples that explained the cause of the viral pneumonia that the inhabitants of the place suffered in the first days of January. It was almost a month later when they finally recognized that what was happening was a transmission from person to person.
Those weeks in which the Chinese dictatorship hid everything were the key to avoiding the pandemic that today kills people around the world. Throughout January, authorities in China denied that what was happening was a case of person-to-person transmission.
It must be emphasized that the Chinese dictatorship is so brutal and malevolent that it did what was necessary to silence even those doctors and scientific heroes who, defying orders, began to alert the world to the seriousness of the matter.
Today perhaps the best known story is that of Dr. Li Wenliang. In late December, the doctor at Wuhan Central Hospital began to warn his medical school colleagues about a new contagious virus that looked like the deadly SARS that spread from China to different countries in early 2000 and left hundreds dead. .
Thanks to Dr. Li the news of the virus began to spread, he was immediately arrested by the dictatorship. After a few days, he was released, but not before forcing him to sign a document in which he had to accept that he had committed an illegal act by making "false statements" on social networks and in which he promised to "seriously reflect" on his " mistakes".
After publicly humiliating Dr. Li, the Wuhan police spoke on Chinese state television to warn the population of the dangers of "spreading rumors". And from that day on, for several weeks, all the state media asked the Chinese not to believe the rumors circulating on the internet.
After his release, Dr. Li returned to the Wuhan hospitals full of coronavirus patients, was infected and died at the age of 34, leaving a pregnant wife and a young son. Today he must be remembered as a hero who was persecuted and silenced by a dictatorship that does not mind putting its people and the entire world at risk.
Sanctions against the Chinese dictatorship for hiding COVID-19?
Like Dr. Li, other doctors were hunted down and silenced. For example, on January 1, the Wuhan Public Security Bureau intervenes to question eight doctors who published information on the disease in Woham.
The Chinese dictatorship even promoted the Chinese Lunar New Year banquet that takes place in late January and where millions of people transit the country visiting their families. The authorities already knew weeks ago that what was happening was a highly contagious virus and that many people would become infected in the celebration of that party.
On January 23, as the Wall Street Journal reported, approximately 5 million people left Wuhan without being examined for the disease.
Even today, prominent Chinese citizens who criticize the government's response suddenly disappear.
What the Chinese dictatorship has done is an attack against humanity. They hid information, destroyed samples, stopped tests, denied for weeks what they already knew: a virus was killing people. But not only did they hide what was happening, they did not take any measures to prevent the deadly virus from spreading throughout the world.
A study published in March concluded that if the Chinese dictatorship had acted three weeks before, taking the appropriate measures, preventing and isolating the infected, the number of cases of contagion could have been reduced by 95% and its geographical extension would have been limited.
Incredibly, after all this, China presents like Wolf in sheep's clothing
What the Chinese dictatorship has done is an attack against humanity. They hid information, destroyed samples, stopped tests, denied for weeks what they already knew.
It is in a dictatorship, where they shut up who they want, where there is no freedom, that a virus that could be controlled in time was hidden until the entire world was already in danger.
The virus that is killing people around the world is a Chinese virus. It is in a dictatorship, where they shut up who they want, where there is no freedom, that a virus that could be controlled in time was hidden until the entire world was already in danger.
The Chinese dictatorship had in its hands the possibility of saving thousands of people, its own and the entire world, but what it decided to do - when the time was right - was to destroy samples, stop the tests and, above all, hide what what was happening.
In December 2019 Chinese laboratories had identified the new highly infectious virus that was already wreaking havoc in China, the dictatorship prevented scientists from doing the right thing: alert the world, give the information they had and thereby allow scientists and experts from the world They will quickly start working on a vaccine and on the measures necessary to stop the spread.
In Wuhan, where the outbreak began, the dictatorship ordered to destroy the laboratory samples that explained the cause of the viral pneumonia that the inhabitants of the place suffered in the first days of January. It was almost a month later when they finally recognized that what was happening was a transmission from person to person.
Those weeks in which the Chinese dictatorship hid everything were the key to avoiding the pandemic that today kills people around the world. Throughout January, authorities in China denied that what was happening was a case of person-to-person transmission.
It must be emphasized that the Chinese dictatorship is so brutal and malevolent that it did what was necessary to silence even those doctors and scientific heroes who, defying orders, began to alert the world to the seriousness of the matter.
Today perhaps the best known story is that of Dr. Li Wenliang. In late December, the doctor at Wuhan Central Hospital began to warn his medical school colleagues about a new contagious virus that looked like the deadly SARS that spread from China to different countries in early 2000 and left hundreds dead. .
Thanks to Dr. Li the news of the virus began to spread, he was immediately arrested by the dictatorship. After a few days, he was released, but not before forcing him to sign a document in which he had to accept that he had committed an illegal act by making "false statements" on social networks and in which he promised to "seriously reflect" on his " mistakes".
After publicly humiliating Dr. Li, the Wuhan police spoke on Chinese state television to warn the population of the dangers of "spreading rumors". And from that day on, for several weeks, all the state media asked the Chinese not to believe the rumors circulating on the internet.
After his release, Dr. Li returned to the Wuhan hospitals full of coronavirus patients, was infected and died at the age of 34, leaving a pregnant wife and a young son. Today he must be remembered as a hero who was persecuted and silenced by a dictatorship that does not mind putting its people and the entire world at risk.
Sanctions against the Chinese dictatorship for hiding COVID-19?
Like Dr. Li, other doctors were hunted down and silenced. For example, on January 1, the Wuhan Public Security Bureau intervenes to question eight doctors who published information on the disease in Woham.
The Chinese dictatorship even promoted the Chinese Lunar New Year banquet that takes place in late January and where millions of people transit the country visiting their families. The authorities already knew weeks ago that what was happening was a highly contagious virus and that many people would become infected in the celebration of that party.
On January 23, as the Wall Street Journal reported, approximately 5 million people left Wuhan without being examined for the disease.
Even today, prominent Chinese citizens who criticize the government's response suddenly disappear.
What the Chinese dictatorship has done is an attack against humanity. They hid information, destroyed samples, stopped tests, denied for weeks what they already knew: a virus was killing people. But not only did they hide what was happening, they did not take any measures to prevent the deadly virus from spreading throughout the world.
A study published in March concluded that if the Chinese dictatorship had acted three weeks before, taking the appropriate measures, preventing and isolating the infected, the number of cases of contagion could have been reduced by 95% and its geographical extension would have been limited.
Incredibly, after all this, China presents like Wolf in sheep's clothing
mcz117chief
Member
Tokyo Olympics got cancelled once already, so I can't blame them for desperately trying to make this one work.
edit: I noticed there already were Olympics there in 64 so never mind.
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Not that random when the oily cheesy poof is spewing nonesense about it every day.
gunslikewhoa
Member
He talked about a malaria drug called chloroquine. They took an aquarium cleaner called chloroquine phosphate. Take your TDS pills.
Rock And Roll
Member
The list of "essential services" in Ontario is a joke.
List of Essential Workplaces
For the purposes of this order, businesses include any-for-profit, non-profit or other entity providing the goods and services described herein. This does not pr...
Its basically everyone except hairdressers and clothing stores.
Yeah there's a lot of things still open. And I really need a haircut. I'm one of those clean-cut once a month type guys.
Or this might be an excuse to grow my hair out like in high school again.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Are those potassium chloride by chance?
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H
hariseldon
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I bought clippers just in case. Now I need to persuade the mrs to let me near her hair.
immunization works!! Let's not do lock down, would be terrible following China's strategy, better is finding a new way, like making a better wheel.
betrayal
Banned
The vast majority had none or only some symptoms of a simple cold. Why should you make a big deal out of it? What do you want people to say? And what are people who were ventilated supposed to say? It's a virus. It's a disease. Whatever this virus does, other viruses do as well, to a lesser or greater degree.
The filter bubble this thread leads to is getting weirder and weirder. Some distance from this subject would benefit some folks around here.
Governments stalled on completely locking everything down because that was the right thing to do.
20% of IDENTIFIED cases need medical assistance. 4% of IDENTIFIED cases are critical.
There are likely several magnitudes more people who were infected than the identified numbers.
Which means we don't actually know how many people have been infected.
All we know with certainty is the number of cases who need medical care (since they are all tested) and the number of deaths (since those are recorded also).
Yes you found one of the handful of cases where someone had no known conditions in addition to Covid19.
Those are exceptionally rare.
I never said "It's just like H1N1" because I do not believe that is true.
So you can fuck off with your extra large and bold font etc.
If you are going to accuse others of talking shite then you can at least not be talking utter garbage yourself.
The "lockdown" procedures needed to be staggered to prevent a total disaster such as widespread social unrest.
They needed to be staggered to balance the slowing down of the spread of the virus and the damage to society by just saying "fuck it, immediate lockdown".
Some of you folks need to fucking deal with the fact that not everyone is going to bend over and accept your way of thinking as the ONLY way of thinking.
It's a complicated issue that clearly has a lot of room for various takes so there's no need to get your panties in a bunch when you hear a different point of view.
Chaplain
Member
"Dr. Gerald Parker Associate Dean for Global One Health at Texas A&M and Professor Andrew S Natsios Executive Professor at The Bush School and Director of the Scowcroft Institute of International Affairs have a sit down with Patrick Bet-David about the Coronavirus Pandemic." (3/20/20)
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ricardo_sousa11
Member
Testing everyone is the only viable option, the few countries that have dealt with this better did it. Its the only way to find the clusters and isolate them.
IF you dont test everyone then there will be other waves of contagion, and we still dont know if you stay immune after getting it once.
The thing is that as testing ramps up they will be identifying more and more of these milder cases since people are encouraged to go and get tested.
So their recovery story would basically be kind of unremarkable. I think for some you might even doubt that they had it.
People seem to want to hear more of "OMG some 18 year old kid who was fit and healthy got it and died" rather than "John Smith down the street had a scratchy throat for 5 days and then was fine his wife and kids were fine too".
If a high % of the serious cases are over 75s etc then they are far less likely to be online trying to get internet fame with their story.
Sakura
Member
I feel Japan numbers are going to start increasing now.
Isn't the vast majority of those recovered Chinese people in China?
Isn't the vast majority of those recovered Chinese people in China?
The problem with that is you can be tested on Monday and catch it on Tuesday. So you need to be tested again.
There will be new waves on contagion anyway because you aren't gonna be able to test everyone on a daily basis.
More than likely they will set out some criteria.
People who show symptoms will get tested.
If they have it then they will be isolated.
If X number of people have it then that region will be locked down ASAP.
If it's then Y number the whole country might get locked down again, and so on.
IF this idea of herd immunity kicks in then over time you will see outbreaks becoming more and more isolated.
eot
Banned
Five months ago we didn't know about this specific virus, but people have warned about the possibility of it a long time ago:
2007 said:
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus as an Agent of Emerging and Reemerging Infection - PMC
Before the emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus (SARS-CoV) in 2003, only 12 other animal or human coronaviruses were known. The discovery of this virus was soon followed by the discovery of the civet and bat SARS-CoV and ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
2015 said:
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence - Nature Medicine
Ralph Baric, Vineet Menachery and colleagues characterize a SARS-like coronavirus circulating in Chinese horseshoe bats to determine its potential to infect primary human airway epithelial cells, cause disease in mice and respond to available therapeutics.
www.nature.com
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betrayal
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By "testing all people" I meant everyone, without exception, and all within a few weeks. Cluster testing etc. is of course useful. But now testing 100% of the population over a period of 1-2 months (which is not possible) would not help at all without a lockdown. So it is not an one or the other, but both. Testing all people without a lockdown would only work if you test the entire population at the same time within a day, forbid any contact to others until the test results are available and then send everyone directly into quarantine, if they tested positive. Additionally, there must be no false negative results. So as you can probably see, this is simply impossible.
During a lockdown on the other hand, it is again pointless to test the entire population. If all people stick to the lockdown, the results will be virtually identical in the end, whether with or without testing. Clusters will show up on their own, through reactive testing (patients with symptoms come forward and are tested) and are restricted in their spread from the beginning by the lockdown.
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Shizumapower
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Just wanted to say..
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