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Watching Cuomo right now. Two quick observations:

1. Trump is going to have to enable the DPA. Cuomo is bringing receipts basically implied that Trump is going to get people killed.
2. As we saw with Rudy after 9/11 people love a hero that emerges from crisis. Wouldn't be surprised to see Cuomo become a national player once this all blows over. Hopefully he isn't a fucking scumbag like Rudy.

Everyone fellating Cuomo yet his state is on fire and might become Italy number 2. Half the cases are because of Cuomos state.

Its dissonance to somehow say Cuomo is doing great but Trump is doing horrible when most of Trumps horrible is coming out of New York.

Cuomo is just getting his story straight so when it goes to shit he can basically blame Trump even though whatever he asks for Trump provides.

But ya when NY is Italy is V2 everyone will day Cuomo did a great job but Trump did a horrible job.
 
Soooooo is it a safe assumption if trump forces everything to reopen prematurely in an attempt to get the economy back on track that the virus situation is just going to get way worse?
 
They say the flu since october has infected 38 to 53 million people. Sent 300K to 700k to the hospital and killed 23 to 59k.

We must have more than 350K but how does this stack up to the flu infection rate? If this is much more contagious than the flu the real number should be closer to the 10 millions.

Catch 22 is if there are many millions infected then there are many millions recoverd and immune.

I hope everyone saying that there are many more infected they are right.


You need to check the previous years of flu numbers, we dont know how many had already the virus and passed away during flu season.

Stop saying this is just a flu, you are ignorant and spreading danger.

And what kind of bullshit are you saying, you want to see higher and higher numbers why? because otherwise you'll say "itsjustaflubro"? What an idiot, you should get it, that way you can test for yourself, if you strongly believe in what you say, its not hard to get it.
 
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Everyone fellating Cuomo yet his state is on fire and might become Italy number 2. Half the cases are because of Cuomos state.

Its dissonance to somehow say Cuomo is doing great but Trump is doing horrible when most of Trumps horrible is coming out of New York.

Cuomo is just getting his story straight so when it goes to shit he can basically blame Trump even though whatever he asks for Trump provides.

But ya when NY is Italy is V2 everyone will day Cuomo did a great job but Trump did a horrible job.
Didn't NYC mayor de Blasio say just a week or two ago that lockdown of the city would be chaos or something? Shouldn't Cuomo be reprimanding him?

Maybe instead of chasing headlines and toeing the party line, Cuomo should argue with his brother about who mommy's favorite son is. 🤭
 
They say the flu since october has infected 38 to 53 million people. Sent 300K to 700k to the hospital and killed 23 to 59k.

We must have more than 350K but how does this stack up to the flu infection rate? If this is much more contagious than the flu the real number should be closer to the 10 millions.

Catch 22 is if there are many millions infected then there are many millions recoverd and immune.

I hope everyone saying that there are many more infected they are right.
The flu isn't starting from 0 every flu season. At any given time there are millions of people with the flu. It doesn't have to be that contagious to spread through the country.
Corona on the other hand, would've been starting with just a few people, slowly building up infections, with government interventions and other groups trying to slow the infection down. There is no way it would already be at 10 million.

Soooooo is it a safe assumption if trump forces everything to reopen prematurely in an attempt to get the economy back on track that the virus situation is just going to get way worse?
Yes. It also wouldn't get the economy back on track either.
 
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Everyone fellating Cuomo yet his state is on fire and might become Italy number 2. Half the cases are because of Cuomos state.

Its dissonance to somehow say Cuomo is doing great but Trump is doing horrible when most of Trumps horrible is coming out of New York.

Cuomo is just getting his story straight so when it goes to shit he can basically blame Trump even though whatever he asks for Trump provides.

But ya when NY is Italy is V2 everyone will day Cuomo did a great job but Trump did a horrible job.

It's all about how they are handling the hands they're dealt:

Cuomo was the first to shut his state down, was the first to say that protective equipment was going to save lives and was needed, and is unafraid to call people out on their bullshit like a Lt. Gov from Texas that says Nana is willing to die so that the stock market would thrive.

Conversely Trump told people to try medicines that won't work, is trying to get people back to work in the middle of a pandemic, and is taking the "fuck you, gramma, I need my stocks" approach. I'll remind you that Trump was given a softball question from a "dirty liberal reporter" providing him a chance to be presidential and speak directly to scared Americans and his response was "fuck you for asking that."
 
You need to check the previous years of flu numbers, we dont know how many had already the virus and passed away during flu season.

Stop saying this is just a flu, you are ignorant and spreading danger.

And what kind of bullshit are you saying, you want to see higher and higher numbers why? because otherwise you'll say "itsjustaflubro"? What an idiot, you should get it, that way you can test for yourself, if you strongly believe in what you say, its not hard to get it.

I never said its just the flu.

And yes if 10 million people are infected now that means that in 2 weeks 9.98 million will be immune from this. So yes i would prefer that the real numbers today are much higher.

My question is how many are actually infected if this is more contagious then the flu? Id 38 million infected by flu since october than there has to be more infected by Corona than 350k.

More infected means more immune dummy.
 
You might not be able to see it, but I have been saying they have been doing poorly. Still I could be way off and wrong about this and I hope I am and this is all Japan will really have as cases or deaths. It would be a good case study for hermit at heart societies that also packs people in trains like sardines to see if a virus like this spreads and spikes or not.

If I look at New York alone if you just look at the serious numbers alone then yeah maybe that is all of Japan, when you don't test mild, it does not look as striking. I'm too Japan focus because that is a place I want to visit after my vaccine :)

They got their first cases in January. Surely after over two months of relatively normal behavior (relative to the extreme measures implemented by other countries), riding trains, going to work, etc. etc. they would have seen an massive explosion in hospitalizations and deaths... but they haven't. Seems for them, wearing masks indoors and generally avoiding tight and poorly ventilated areas in which droplet transmission is possible (as a result of people talking/laughing, etc.) has just about done it in terms of preventing this from being a huge deal. I suppose time will tell.
 
I never said its just the flu.

And yes if 10 million people are infected now that means that in 2 weeks 9.98 million will be immune from this. So yes i would prefer that the real numbers today are much higher.

My question is how many are actually infected if this is more contagious then the flu? Id 38 million infected by flu since october than there has to be more infected by Corona than 350k.

More infected means more immune dummy.

We dont know how many if we dont test, we also dont know if you can catch it multiple times. Cuomo estimates 600k in NY alone, out of a 8.6M population, thats about 7-8%, but it can be much higher, we simply dont know and wont know for quite a long time.
 
They say the flu since october has infected 38 to 53 million people. Sent 300K to 700k to the hospital and killed 23 to 59k.

We must have more than 350K but how does this stack up to the flu infection rate? If this is much more contagious than the flu the real number should be closer to the 10 millions.

Catch 22 is if there are many millions infected then there are many millions recoverd and immune.

I hope everyone saying that there are many more infected they are right.
Let me put it this way , if you let this run you are looking at worse than Spanish flu numbers easily. Why do you think countries lock down?
 
I rememver when China was having sub 40, 30, new case days they even got it down to 17 or something

we should call this an 'afterspike' no we won't but we could :3 (also send South Korea your energy they almost got this)




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Seriously things are opening back up in China is this going to be okay?

 
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China introduced mandatory facial scans on Dec. 1, 2019, to confirm the identity of the person who registered the phone. As early as Sept. 1, 2010, China required all cellphone users to register phones with their real identification, by which the state can control people's speech via its large-scale monitoring system.
 
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They got their first cases in January. Surely after over two months of relatively normal behavior (relative to the extreme measures implemented by other countries), riding trains, going to work, etc. etc. they would have seen an massive explosion in hospitalizations and deaths... but they haven't. Seems for them, wearing masks indoors and generally avoiding tight and poorly ventilated areas in which droplet transmission is possible (as a result of people talking/laughing, etc.) has just about done it in terms of preventing this from being a huge deal. I suppose time will tell.

Like I said it would make an interesting case study for research paper writers. yeah could be that, different cultures, different behaviours, different outcomes.
 
They got their first cases in January. Surely after over two months of relatively normal behavior (relative to the extreme measures implemented by other countries), riding trains, going to work, etc. etc. they would have seen an massive explosion in hospitalizations and deaths... but they haven't. Seems for them, wearing masks indoors and generally avoiding tight and poorly ventilated areas in which droplet transmission is possible (as a result of people talking/laughing, etc.) has just about done it in terms of preventing this from being a huge deal. I suppose time will tell.
When you got your first case doesn't really matter. Imported cases here and there can be managed as long as they are detected.
When undetected community spread starts happening is what is important.
Here is some info. There were 17 cases announced in Tokyo today. More than any other day up until now. 9 of those cases, the path of infection is unknown.
In fact, today was the most cases in Japan announced ever at this point. Not a huge number, but still, it is not a good trend.
In my prefecture, the first case was detected on Feb 20th, the second case also on the 20th (wife of first case so not surprising), and the third case detected on the 1st of March.
And that was it, we only had 3 cases detected, no new cases. Until the 17th. And now we have 6 new cases just in the last week.
I don't think things are looking good at the moment, and think things are trending in the wrong direction.
 
We dont know how many if we dont test, we also dont know if you can catch it multiple times. Cuomo estimates 600k in NY alone, out of a 8.6M population, thats about 7-8%, but it can be much higher, we simply dont know and wont know for quite a long time.

Most science now points to you cannot catch it twice. That could change in the future, but for now everyone seems to have a consensus that once you get it you are immune.

If Cuomo is correct than all though terrible, in the end that is actually very good. That means that death rate is much lower and recovery rate much higher and that we will be getting more immune people as the weeks go by.

What we need is the antibody test Boris talked about. Knowing who has it now is great for screening and trying to control the virus, but what we really need to know is who had it. Since you can test today ok, then go out and bang some hot Wuhan chick or Italian chick and get infected the next day. If we can get an antibody test then we can find the people that aren't going to be at risk and can go back into society. Until then we can only try and spread it out to save the health systems.
 
I rememver when China was having sub 40, 30, new case days they even got it doen to 17 or something

we should call this an 'afterspike' no we won't but we could :3 (also send South Korea your energy they almost got this)

Seriously things are opening back up in China is this going to be okay?


I imagine ALL countries will continue to see positive cases for a long while, even when this is under control. As long as it doesn't start an exponential growth we should be ok.
 
When someone comes into contact with it and is infected, how long do you have to wait to be able to test them to know if they're infected or not?

Yesterday someone told me that if someone has just been infected and you test them right away, the test will come back negative, and that apparently you have to wait 3-4 days to be able to test them and know for sure. Is this true?
 
I imagine ALL countries will continue to see positive cases for a long while, even when this is under control. As long as it doesn't start an exponential growth we should be ok.

I really don't want to see this thing having seasons of growth and moments of decline but without a vaccine sure this is the natural path
 
When someone comes into contact with it and is infected, how long do you have to wait to be able to test them to know if they're infected or not?

Yesterday someone told me that if someone has just been infected and you test them right away, the test will come back negative, and that apparently you have to wait 3-4 days to be able to test them and know for sure. Is this true?

I would guess it's based on viral load.. if they JUST got infected, that would be so small it'd be easy to test negative. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess it'd need to be a couple days after first contracting it.
 
Let me put it this way , if you let this run you are looking at worse than Spanish flu numbers easily. Why do you think countries lock down?

I am not against lockdowns never said I was.

But it depends though on whose numbers are correct. If only 350 K are actually infected this is going to be a horrible death toll BUT somehow this thing isn't more contagious then the flu. Now if Millions are already infected then its very contagious, but that also means millions will have recovered.

But I do not advocate for letting it run. I am just looking at two virsus that are spread the same way (through air droplets that get in your mouth/eyes either through sneezing or touching an infected surface) and trying to see which one is more contagious. The Flu infected 4-8 million people a month since October. So if Corona Chan is doing the same thing then we should probably be closer to 8-16 million infected rather than the 350K. If Corona Chan is more contagious those numbers could be double or even triple. I think JAMA had an estimate of something like about 20% have basically no symptoms. I bet that number is much higher because I don't think there are only an additional 80K infected with no symptoms walking around. With how this spreads the number has to be higher.

But ya airborne pneumonia sucks balls. No one wants a 10% chance that they will be hooked up to an ICU machine because someone sneezed on a railing in the subway station.
 
When someone comes into contact with it and is infected, how long do you have to wait to be able to test them to know if they're infected or not?

Yesterday someone told me that if someone has just been infected and you test them right away, the test will come back negative, and that apparently you have to wait 3-4 days to be able to test them and know for sure. Is this true?
I don't know if you would have to wait 3-4 days, but yeah immediately after the test would probably come back negative. There just wouldn't be enough virus for it to find. It's why even if you test negative they generally still tell you to self quarantine and monitor yourself for a couple weeks.
 
I would guess it's based on viral load.. if they JUST got infected, that would be so small it'd be easy to test negative. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess it'd need to be a couple days after first contracting it.
From all the stories I read the past 3 months , that seems to be the case.
 


Quebec doesn't release its numbers untill 1PM unless they got an advanced version so this could be wrong.

If it is correct that means we had a decent drop in cases. But also my province had a huge dump because of how we count tests so we were kinda under reporting for a little while there.

I hope these numbers are correct.
 
It's all about how they are handling the hands they're dealt:

Cuomo was the first to shut his state down, was the first to say that protective equipment was going to save lives and was needed, and is unafraid to call people out on their bullshit like a Lt. Gov from Texas that says Nana is willing to die so that the stock market would thrive.

Conversely Trump told people to try medicines that won't work, is trying to get people back to work in the middle of a pandemic, and is taking the "fuck you, gramma, I need my stocks" approach. I'll remind you that Trump was given a softball question from a "dirty liberal reporter" providing him a chance to be presidential and speak directly to scared Americans and his response was "fuck you for asking that."
California shut down days before New York, the Bay Area a day or so before that. And just 48 hours before Cuomo shut down his state, he was saying that shelter-in-place doesn't work and that he wouldn't order NY to do it because it didn't make any sense.

Just some factual corrections.
 
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I am not against lockdowns never said I was.

But it depends though on whose numbers are correct. If only 350 K are actually infected this is going to be a horrible death toll BUT somehow this thing isn't more contagious then the flu. Now if Millions are already infected then its very contagious, but that also means millions will have recovered.

But I do not advocate for letting it run. I am just looking at two virsus that are spread the same way (through air droplets that get in your mouth/eyes either through sneezing or touching an infected surface) and trying to see which one is more contagious. The Flu infected 4-8 million people a month since October. So if Corona Chan is doing the same thing then we should probably be closer to 8-16 million infected rather than the 350K. If Corona Chan is more contagious those numbers could be double or even triple. I think JAMA had an estimate of something like about 20% have basically no symptoms. I bet that number is much higher because I don't think there are only an additional 80K infected with no symptoms walking around. With how this spreads the number has to be higher.

But ya airborne pneumonia sucks balls. No one wants a 10% chance that they will be hooked up to an ICU machine because someone sneezed on a railing in the subway station.
I've already explained to you why this is nonsense, but you have ignored my post.
Furthermore, we already have pretty good data from events like the Diamond Princess. It is an isolated environment where we know everybody who was infected and wasn't infected. We know how many people required hospitalisation and how many required ICU. We also currently have a death rate of 1.5%, with 11 people STILL in ICU, and without any strain on the medical system. Even if the remaining people on ICU recover, 1.5% would be the death rate. If 8 to 16 million people had been infected from Corona till now that would be 120,000 to 240,000 dead (in reality more because the health system would be overloaded, but you get the idea).
 
I'm wondering if NY will go full lockdown. People are still free to go about their business. Its really just jobs that are shut down.

However... there have been non stop sirens this whole week thru the night. And I mean it.... non-fucking-stop. And I'm in north Queens neighborhood that's not so dense...

Not sure what's gonna happen... feels like rioting and looting is just days away.
 
Conversely Trump told people to try medicines that won't work, is trying to get people back to work in the middle of a pandemic, and is taking the "fuck you, gramma, I need my stocks" approach. I'll remind you that Trump was given a softball question from a "dirty liberal reporter" providing him a chance to be presidential and speak directly to scared Americans and his response was "fuck you for asking that."

As someone who has actually been watching the press conferences in their entirety, this is some hot TDS... It really does bend one's perception of reality, doesn't it?
 
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As someone who actually watched that press conference in its entirety, this is some hot TDS... It really does bend one's perception of reality, doesn't it?

It's easy to see how it gets taken out of context and looks much worse with selective editing and a narrative built on top, since Trump has little decorum and is clumsy with his language. For example:



Of course, millions are watching the actual press conferences rather than letting some late night host digest it for them.
 
It's easy to see how it gets taken out of context and looks much worse with selective editing and a narrative built on top, since Trump has little decorum and is clumsy with his language. For example:



Of course, millions are watching the actual press conferences rather than letting some late night host digest it for them.


Ridiculous to be doing shit like this at a time like this, though I shouldn't be surprised I guess.

It really does make the non-partisan people stand out though, on the left and right.

Edit: What's really funny (SAD!) is that if Trump came out and said this is the worst thing ever we're gonna be shutting states down, everyone on the left would have raked him over the coals for that approach too. There is no winning with TDS.
 
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Everyone fellating Cuomo yet his state is on fire and might become Italy number 2. Half the cases are because of Cuomos state.

Its dissonance to somehow say Cuomo is doing great but Trump is doing horrible when most of Trumps horrible is coming out of New York.

Cuomo is just getting his story straight so when it goes to shit he can basically blame Trump even though whatever he asks for Trump provides.

But ya when NY is Italy is V2 everyone will day Cuomo did a great job but Trump did a horrible job.
Trump HAS done a horrible job since this entire thing started. Insane to me that people can watch him lie and ramble everyday and not give zero fucks about the American people yet people still lap up everything he says.
 
It's all about how they are handling the hands they're dealt:

Cuomo was the first to shut his state down, was the first to say that protective equipment was going to save lives and was needed, and is unafraid to call people out on their bullshit like a Lt. Gov from Texas that says Nana is willing to die so that the stock market would thrive.

Conversely Trump told people to try medicines that won't work, is trying to get people back to work in the middle of a pandemic, and is taking the "fuck you, gramma, I need my stocks" approach. I'll remind you that Trump was given a softball question from a "dirty liberal reporter" providing him a chance to be presidential and speak directly to scared Americans and his response was "fuck you for asking that."

Cuomo wasn't the first to do a shutdown. Also Trump didn't tell anyone to take medicines, he said that he wanted to fast track a drug that showed promise. The same drug that Cuomo is being praised for in NY.





Multiple articles about Hydrochrolonique before Trump talked about it.

And Trump hasn't forced anyone back to work, he is going to do what he has done this whole time and deffer to states. Him talking about getting people back to work actually makes sense because its putting heat on the governors of each state. Ya Cuomo saying the Feds are going to have to mail everyone checks for the next 9 months is not feasible.

If SK/Japan/HK/Taiwan and to a lesser extent China can get back to life then there is no reason the US has to turn into Mad Max. For sure 15 days is not enough and a place like NY may take long than Alaska or Wyoming, but Trump giving a 15 stretch goal should light a fire under those states without many cases to put things in place now so that in 2 weeks the problem can be under control and they don't become NY or Washington.

But in the end Trump isn't going to force people to work, there is no way he can actually do that. And I doubt he is going to interfere with state governors and force them to send people back to work. But governors also can't start expecting to end society for 18 months and that somehow money and food is going to magically appear for every American.

Were going to have to adapt. People in China walk around with masks, scan their phones wherever they go, remain vigilant, and deal with maybe one day getting sick and dying. Thats going to be the reality of life until we get a cure. Manage the case numbers as much as possible to prevent further pandemics.
 
Those who are not at risk do want to get back, but imagine if healthy/young people start dying like they are in Italy... I don't think many people are willing to risk their lives if they can avoid it... people are not disposable NPCs, man. If people that shouldn't be dying start to die the general population will stop working and maybe start stealing and rioting depending on what happens next.

Best thing the government can do now is tank the disease, pump money into the necessary markets so fundamental business stay functioning and then, after it's gone, tank the economic disruption and deal with the consequences... there's no winning here, we are already at a loss.

If young people start to die things will get much worse.

Well, I mean sure, we need young people. But young brave men have volunteered to go into battle for the entire history of our civilization.

This idea we are scared little mice is a modern one. Historically, people are very willing to risk their lives if the cause is just. It wasn't too long ago that our youth were volunteering in droves to go fight Nazis. And our nation is founded on those who died fighting tyranny and for liberty.

When did we become so meek, where we have a youth scared and huddling in their basements playing vidja games instead of volunteering for ventilator factories to save their grandparents?

Now, I'm not even sure we are that meek. But we sure as hell act like we are. We exchange recipes for quarantinis instead of doing something to contribute.
 
In the words of my father, BALLS.



3/19: 5322 cases / 427 deaths
3/20: 5986 cases / 627 deaths
3/21: 6557 cases / 793 deaths
3/22: 5560 cases / 651 deaths
3/23: 4790 cases / 602 deaths
3/24: 5249 cases / 743 deaths

 
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In the words of my father, BALLS.



3/19: 5322 cases / 427 deaths
3/20: 5986 cases / 627 deaths
3/21: 6557 cases / 793 deaths
3/22: 5560 cases / 651 deaths
3/23: 4790 cases / 602 deaths
3/24: 5249 cases / 743 deaths


When you stop treating anyone above the age of 60 and tell them to go home and die that tends to happen.
 
In the words of my father, BALLS.



3/19: 5322 cases / 427 deaths
3/20: 5986 cases / 627 deaths
3/21: 6557 cases / 793 deaths
3/22: 5560 cases / 651 deaths
3/23: 4790 cases / 602 deaths
3/24: 5249 cases / 743 deaths



If tomorrow is < 700 then I'd call today a blip. Let's see what happens. Had it been > 793 that would be worrying - as it is it could still be a downtrend.
 
Trump HAS done a horrible job since this entire thing started. Insane to me that people can watch him lie and ramble everyday and not give zero fucks about the American people yet people still lap up everything he says.

What LOL.

This guy formed the Corona virus task force with 9 days of it being confirmed human to human transmission.

He then blocked travel with China when the WHO was opposing it and calling people racist for doing so.

He has pushed forward unprecedented stimulus packages. He closed the US-American border which is something probably no one ever thought they would see in their lifetime, heck 5 generations of lifetimes probably.

The ultimate irony here is the people who ran around and screamed how Trump is a king, he is a dictator, he will tear up the constitution and take away all your rights, he will make himself ruler for life. These are the same people now begging Trump to do all the things they whined and cried about for the last 3.5 years. Now you want Trump to declare martial law, lock people in their home, ban freedom of assembly, and tell the states to fuck themselves they do what he says. Hilarious.

I could imagine how well that would of went over during the impeachment trial in January if King Trump told everyone that there is a killer virus from CHYNA that we dont know if its transmitted human to human and there are less than 100 cases in China but none outside of it. So you gotta give me powers to end gatherings above 10 people, meaning no senate trial, no primaries, no caucuses, no debates, no rallies. Yup TDS'rs wouldn't of accused Trump of being King and silencing his political opponents.
 
In the words of my father, BALLS.

3/19: 5322 cases / 427 deaths
3/20: 5986 cases / 627 deaths
3/21: 6557 cases / 793 deaths
3/22: 5560 cases / 651 deaths
3/23: 4790 cases / 602 deaths
3/24: 5249 cases / 743 deaths

You won't see much improvement in death numbers until active case numbers are falling.
 
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