Cybrwzrd
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Canada's economy is smaller than Brazil's.
Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Canada's economy is smaller than Brazil's.
infinitys_7th
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And they'll go to the hospitals the Party keeps to themselves.
cryptoadam
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fatty
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JordanN
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Lol, they're admirable....
...untill you see their own bathrooms are falling apart and beyond repair.
Did your Cuban doctor wash his hands before shoving his hand up your ass? Well, now you know.
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hariseldon
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I'd be truly delighted if you could be so kind as to educate me on where and even this survey was carried out - were other demographics identified?
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You could have just started and ended there. We get it. You hate everything about the guy.
infinitys_7th
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It's bullshit - the rural area I'm in now has a very large population of black Americans and they were buying loads of it all too.
Lol, they're admirable....
...untill you see their own bathrooms are falling apart and beyond repair.
Did your Cuban doctor wash his hands before shoving his hand up your ass? Well, now you know.
Come on, who wouldn't want to have open heart surgery in this state-of-the-art hospital?
I hear the regime said that bits of old moldy ceiling tiles falling into your chest cavity promote good outcomes. Clearly it must be true - they would never lie.
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tfur
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Probably, but 3M responded WH...
3M Response to Defense Production Act Order
3M issued the following statement in response to the announcements issued by the White House last evening: Over the last several weeks and months, 3M and its employees have gone above and beyond to manufacture as many N95 respirators as possible for the U.S. market. Yesterday, the Administration...news.3m.com
TLDR: 3M claimed WH is too stupid to understand how economy works in a very polite way...
Well, it may well be out of 3M's hands now.
Captain Zyrain
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Italy detail update for 4/2:
Italy: COVID deaths by age group 2023| Statista
The distribution of COVID deaths varies by age. People aged 80-89 are the most affected in Italy. Figures are updated weekly.www.statista.com
Total deaths listed: 12550 (+693)
0-29: 6 - x2.00 (+3, this doubled overnight, was just 1 for a long time)
30-39: 29 - x0.00 (+0)
40-49: 110 - x1.06 (+6)
50-59: 479 - x1.05 (+24)
60-69: 1448 - x1.06 (+81)
70-79: 4196 - x1.04 (+187)
80-89: 5029 - x1.06 (+286)
90+: 1251 - x1.09 (+106)
Percentage wise, the very young and very old grew the most, everyone else was increasing at the same rate. Total # wise, it's still the older people who are dying the most, but doubling the 0-29 group overnight is troubling, hopefully it was just an anomaly and not something we see happening more often.
Under 40 still seems like you'll be okay, but 40+ is getting risky.
Italy detail update for 4/3:
Italy: COVID deaths by age group 2023| Statista
The distribution of COVID deaths varies by age. People aged 80-89 are the most affected in Italy. Figures are updated weekly.
www.statista.com
Total deaths listed: 13241 (+691)
They started breaking this down even further for young people.
0-9: 1 (New counting) - <0.1%
10-19: 0 (New counting
20-29: 6 (New counting) <0.1%
30-39: 30 - x1.03 (+1) - 0.2%
40-49: 114 - x1.04 (+4) - 0.8%
50-59: 506 - x1.06 (+27) - 4%
60-69: 1520 - x1.05 (+72) - 11%
70-79: 4412 - x1.05 (+216) - 33%
80-89: 5304 - x1.05 (+275) - 40%
90+: 1347 - x1.08 (+96) - 10%
Unknown: 1 (New counting) - <0.1%
Seems like more of the same. Interesting (and sad) that they need to break down the age groups more. Hopefully we don't see more children showing up in the reports.
Agreed. Anyone able to do a few minutes of independent research can verify the efficacy of masks here, or simply observe how both surgical and n95 masks are valued by health care professionals. The government and media pushing an anti-mask position hasn't exactly engendered trust in these institutions.
Smiles and Cries
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Connecticut reports more than 1,000 new coronavirus case
Connecticut has 1,090 new coronavirus cases and 19 new deaths, Gov. Ned Lamont announced Friday.
The state now has a total of 4,914 cases and 131 deaths. 909 patients are currently hospitalized.
www.cnn.com
my state is why too small to be this high beating out many countries
Connecticut has 1,090 new coronavirus cases and 19 new deaths, Gov. Ned Lamont announced Friday.
The state now has a total of 4,914 cases and 131 deaths. 909 patients are currently hospitalized.
Connecticut reports more than 1,000 new coronavirus case
The novel coronavirus pandemic continues to impact countries worldwide, particularly in Europe and the US.
my state is why too small to be this high beating out many countries
Tesseract
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Jesus,...
Cuba with the top quality medical system, and...
It is the Trump supporters hording toilet paper...
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gamerMan
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I'm not sure why the Trump administration is holding up California as a model for success. It's a model of epic failure and makes me question the people in charge of this crisis. Not only has California conducted the least amount of tests per capita, California has conducted 90,000 tests and 60,000 tests are pending. It has only processed 30,000 tests and has the worst backlog in the country. California has more pending Coronavirus tests than results. We have no idea what is going on in California. This new partnership with the private sector and "whole of America approach" isn't exactly working in California.
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lock2k
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It's bullshit - the rural area I'm in now has a very large population of black Americans and they were buying loads of it all too.
Come on, who wouldn't want to have open heart surgery in this state-of-the-art hospital?
I hear the regime said that bits of old moldy ceiling tiles falling into your chest cavity promote good outcomes. Clearly it must be true - they would never lie.
eot
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Fuck, this shit's not going away for a while eh?
ricardo_sousa11
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I dont, when he won I was the first that made a thread congratulating him, I thought he'd do a good job, and he did on some fields, I just think hes doing an awfull job right now and focusing too much on his beloved economy, his response has been slow and completely clueless which will cost the lives of thousands if not millions of americans.
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nush
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But the recovery column would be births though. That would take the edge off.
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cryptoadam
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There is no way this is lasting till July, the world wont let it happen.
I am not saying we will be back to pre COVID days. But if this goes on until the summer people will be dying of starvation in their homes. And on top of that countries will run out of food and supplies.
Something is going to have to be figured out how to function still with this virus. We will also have way more data by then so we can probably smartly figure out a way to live with this.
Odds are old people will be stuck at home until a vaccine comes out. Everyone else will wear masks, social distance, wash their hands. Bars/Resto's etc will be all opened in a limited fashion. Malls and arean's will be empty. Tourism will be mostly dead.
Its not feasable for the entire world to sit at home. I don't want people dying, but at some point food becomes an issue.
I am not saying we will be back to pre COVID days. But if this goes on until the summer people will be dying of starvation in their homes. And on top of that countries will run out of food and supplies.
Something is going to have to be figured out how to function still with this virus. We will also have way more data by then so we can probably smartly figure out a way to live with this.
Odds are old people will be stuck at home until a vaccine comes out. Everyone else will wear masks, social distance, wash their hands. Bars/Resto's etc will be all opened in a limited fashion. Malls and arean's will be empty. Tourism will be mostly dead.
Its not feasable for the entire world to sit at home. I don't want people dying, but at some point food becomes an issue.
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DragoonKain
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I think what happens first is more effective treatment methods will be found to reduce the risk of death and pneumonia. Then they may eventually decide to fast track vaccines not just because of the pandemic but because of the global economy. Test trials for patients volunteering may happen and if they respond well they may run them out sooner than expected, though I'm not an expert, I don't know the ramifications of that.
Small things adding up like those, plus flattening the curve a bit and as more people getting infected, becoming immune and/or unfortunately dying means less people to spread the virus, I think will mitigate some of this. But I don't think it will be truly carefree safe for a while. Like 2021.
Small things adding up like those, plus flattening the curve a bit and as more people getting infected, becoming immune and/or unfortunately dying means less people to spread the virus, I think will mitigate some of this. But I don't think it will be truly carefree safe for a while. Like 2021.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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government ran breadlines.
amazon has several types of masks available, though quality may vary.
We still don't know how the mutation rate will affect vaccines or herd immunity.
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But that's not the point. The virus has characteristics and causes results that are not compatible with the way we live. According to the CDC, influenza has caused 24,000-63,000 deaths in the US this season out of a total of 39,000,000 - 55,000,000 cases.
The coronavirus spreads more easily and is therefore more infectious. Extrapolated, there would be about 50,000,000 - 90,000,000 million COVID-19 cases (this is calculated very conservatively) in the USA during one flu season. That would be 500,000 - 900,000 deaths (CFR 1,0%) with about 7,500,000 - 13,500,000 hospitalizations (15% rate of all cases).
TL;DR Numbers for the US for one influenza season (numbers are for 2019 - 2020):
Influenza cases: 39,000,000 - 55,000,000
COVID-19 cases: 50,000,000 - 90,000,000
Influenza hospitalizations: 400,000 - 730,000
COVID-19 hospitalizations: 7,500,000 - 13,500,000
Influenza deaths: 24,000-63,000
COVID-19 deaths: 500,000 - 900,000
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
The death count is not the problem. The number of deaths caused by COVID-19 are actually irrelevant and would disappear in the annual statistics of deaths. But, and this is just the big but, this number of deaths can only be guaranteed if each patient is also treated in the best possible way, similar what happens right now if you have the flu or pneumonia. So what does that mean? The high number of hospitalizations is the problem. Besides for many COVID-19 cases this number would also significantly increase the death rate for all illnesses and accidents (car accidents, accidents at home, ...), due to the hospital overloads. Cardiovascular causes of death and all other imaginable causes of death in the current top 10 would skyrocket. Non-important or non-life-sustaining measures and operations would be a rarity and, depending on the health system, would be reserved for rich people only. Just imagine 80 - 90% of all hospitals would suddenly close down. The scale of it, in all aspects of our lives, would be catastrophic.
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eot
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This is my arm chairing moment, but I feel like if we're going to have lockdowns to combat this shit, the best way would be to have the most hardcore lockdown possible for the shortest time possible. Quarantine city districts from each other, go block by block and make sure the virus is gone from any area you open up. I'm talking full Wuhan style martial law. The sooner this is over with the better.
cryptoadam
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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I assume processed food factories are quite automated, needing only a few technicians. The farms are heavily automated. And the trucks we could expedite autonomous ones.
cryptoadam
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You assume wrong. You never seen a factory? They always have huge parking lots and employ 100's if not thousands of people. And even if you did get a mainly automated factory with as little people as possible, this would only be super rich countries. So poorer countries would still be SOL.
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eot
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HAPE is usually treated with supplementary oxygen though. It's not like they send COVID patients on ventilators directly, they do it when their O2 saturation is too low, despite the oxygen. I mean whatever, I'm not a doctor so...
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GHG
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So what I'm gathering from this is that the ventilators may be causing more harm than good due to forcing air into already pressurised lungs?
How else can they help get oxygen into lungs and help people to breathe without the ventilators?
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I'm not sure why the Trump administration is holding up California as a model for success. It's a model of epic failure and makes me question the people in charge of this crisis. Not only has California conducted the least amount of tests per capita, California has conducted 90,000 tests and 60,000 tests are pending. It has only processed 30,000 tests and has the worst backlog in the country. California has more pending Coronavirus tests than results. We have no idea what is going on in California. This new partnership with the private sector and "whole of America approach" isn't exactly working in California.
I'm going to go with "deaths are comparatively low" as the reason. That's really all that matters in the end, no?
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GHG
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To follow up on my previous reply to this I just came across the following from a quick google search:
Acetazolamide, Nifedipine and Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors: Rationale for Their Utilization as Adjunctive Countermeasures in the Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Effective treatments for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak are urgently needed. While anti-viral approaches and vaccines are being considered immediate countermeasures are unavailable. The aim of this article is to outline a perspective on the pathophysiology of COVID-19 in the...
www.cureus.com
While not extensively peer reviewed, there does appear to be a number of similarities between HAPE and COVID-19 which would support what this doctor is saying.
What the hell is going on with this virus that could cause the lungs to pressurise like that? That's the bit I can't wrap my head around because the conditions in which HAPE typically occur are logical due to higher altitudes.
I guess the good news from this is that we could edge towards more effective and efficient treatment methods if this this investigated further.
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I didn't mean anything by my post, but appreciate the deep response.
It was just a commentary at how closely we're all watching these stats go up. It's not good for us.
Setzer
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On average 150k die each day. Maybe we should have charts for those # as well?
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