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There will be a new normal, but these lockdowns are not going to last 18 months. At some point people will realize the risk of this infection is lower than that of starving to death or living on the streets.

I figure by May the US will have their antibody test, and that will ramp up and probably by June it will be widespread enough.

The question becomes do people who have the antibodies get special privileges over those without them?
 
cryptoadam said:
There will be a new normal, but these lockdowns are not going to last 18 months. At some point people will realize the risk of this infection is lower than that of starving to death or living on the streets.

I figure by May the US will have their antibody test, and that will ramp up and probably by June it will be widespread enough.

The question becomes do people who have the antibodies get special privileges over those without them?
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Yes. If you don't have an antibody you don't get to work or eat.
 
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ManaByte said:
Yes. If you don't have an antibody you don't get to work or eat.
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Zefah said:
I don't think she or most of the other doctors had a crazy agenda. They relied on data analysis from other experts, who also probably did not have a crazy agenda. They just made faulty assumptions, because this situation is completely new in a variety of ways and there is little to compare it against to form those base assumptions. Going to be a lot of 20/20 hindsight criticism in the coming months and years, but I think the doctors were acting in what they believed to be the best interest of the nation.

That does call into the question of how much experts should be trusted in completely novel situations when the actions being recommended are sure bring great damage and misery in order to mitigate speculative deaths.
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The models were complete and total garbage, but they were hysterical garbage, that justified handing over literally unheard of powers to power hungry state governments. Of course they went with them.

The problem is as soon as you throw around words like "model" and "exponential growth", journalists with degrees in SJW studies blank out and just reflexively regurgitate it to maximum hysteria, because that gets clicks.
 
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ManaByte said:

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I think the second tweet is weird.
Nobody expected a surge outside of NY.
Virus spread is generally exponentially. In this case, that means that it takes a couple of weeks before cases reach a volume where it's even noticeable. The surge is many weeks into exponential growth.

I don't know what worth these models have considering that testing outside of hotspots is virtually non-existent.
 
diffusionx said:
The models were complete and total garbage, but they were hysterical garbage, that justified handing over literally unheard of powers to power hungry state governments. Of course they went with them.

The problem is as soon as you throw around words like "model" and "exponential growth", journalists with degrees in SJW studies blank out and just reflexively regurgitate it to maximum hysteria, because that gets clicks.
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Well, that's the best part about experts. You can find one who agrees with your worldview and tout them as the authority on whatever you're talking about. Anyone who disagrees or questions the data is an idiot who couldn't possibly understand the complexity of the models!
 
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PrellboGark said:
I don't know what worth these models have considering that testing outside of hotspots is virtually non-existent.
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That's bullshit fake news. CA has been testing extensively. Hell ANYONE in LA County can go get a test even without symptoms now. CA's curve is flat because they were one of the first to do stay at home.

Now that the curve is flattening people are screaming that people aren't being tested. Because the media wants this to go on for another seven months.
 
Birdo said:
This was reported last month by Italy (85% of deaths were fat).

For some odd reason, the mainstream media hasn't been mentioning it...
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This is largely due to mainstream media promoting the diversity causing public misconceptions on individualism and "being fat is bad for your health" are mutually exclusive, even the current POTUS is very fat and does not do aerobic exercise much in his public life.

In fact, obesity is THE major reason US healthcare is so overburden, and there are lots of academic papers on public health talking about it (for example https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-016-3968-8). If the healthy living habits and exercising are rooted in people's lives, US would have a healthy healthcare and Bernie Sanders wouldn't even be in the debate.
 
Zefah said:
Oh god, there's a new conspiracy theory floating around that hospitals are actually empty and this is all a big hoax because a couple of chucklefucks are posting short videos of the outsides of their hospitals being empty and silent.
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I guess that's what you were talking about.


or this one :

 
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ManaByte said:
That's bullshit fake news. CA has been testing extensively. Hell ANYONE in LA County can go get a test even without symptoms now. CA's curve is flat because they were one of the first to do stay at home.

Now that the curve is flattening people are screaming that people aren't being tested. Because the media wants this to go on for another seven months.
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CA is the exception because Newsom isn't retarded.

But more than half of all the other governors are pretty much retarded, especially in the red states.
Heck, some states don't even have stay at home order yet. All around the country people still meet up for different events.

I'm not saying things are going to get worse, I'm just saying that the data based on which people predict the peak is not at all sufficient.



Wwg1wga said:
I guess that's what you were talking about.
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One look at this person's channels reveals that she is mentally ill. Either that or a troll.
 
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Wwg1wga said:
I guess that's what you were talking about.


or this one :

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As we've seen over the last few weeks it's actually people like this who are most likely to get the virus.

Let's see if they are still crying conspiracy when they are in hospital along with all the other people who have it.
 
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With what happened in France, I think alot of countries in the West are going to have that. With nursing homes reporting at a different time/pace.

I am expecting it where I live especially since they told us 519 residences have at least 1 infection. And another residence had 105 out of 174 people infected.

There will probably be a lot of number adjusting going on.
 
ManaByte said:
That's bullshit fake news. CA has been testing extensively. Hell ANYONE in LA County can go get a test even without symptoms now. CA's curve is flat because they were one of the first to do stay at home.

Now that the curve is flattening people are screaming that people aren't being tested. Because the media wants this to go on for another seven months.
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I'm in PA I know 6 people personally that show most or all symptoms and were not tested and told to stay home. I think if they tested everyone thought the death % would go down.
 
PrellboGark said:
Please no.
If people vote for a libertarian after a global pandemic just exposed how vital a functioning government and tight social net is, then we deserve extinction.
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The idea a people can or can not come quickly together in a time of crisis has nothing to do with libertarianism.

China had a functioning government and a particularly strong social net. How many hundreds of thousands died as a result of their lies, their bureaucracy, their corruption?

We as a people are solving this. Our businesses are pivoting to our defense. Our families are listening to our experts and, with a few exceptions, doing as advised - not because they are servile, but because they are taking heed of experts voluntarily.

We have some overreaches here and there, and applicable outrage. But we are solving this. We. You. Me. Doctors. Nurses. Police. Grocers. Factory workers. Farmers. We. Government does not save us, we save us.
 
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This is an hour long or so... but i highly recommend it.

First half an hour posits a 'unique' theory... what if we are doing really well in the face of crisis? What if 'both sides', left and right, are doing their best? That is, their is no giant political agenda [coup, tyranny, cover ups, etc] but just a country doing its best to get through a catastrophe, and excelling at it?

It's an interesting take with a lot of worthwhile tangents, and i highly recommend listening... it's nice hearing a relatively apolitical 'no fault' analysis with a positive message.

Second half gets more political, with criticism of media and China and what all of this means for our future.

I don't agree with Whittle on everything, but I do agree with his basic assessment on our successes in mitigating this, and I also agree with most of his vision for the future.
 
autoduelist said:
China had a functioning government and a particularly strong social net. How many hundreds of thousands died as a result of their lies, their bureaucracy, their corruption?
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Considering that they have opened up Wuhan again, I'd say their official death count can't be too far off.
Had they lied about their numbers in a significant way they wouldn't be able to open up now.
Also note that China managed to prevent a national spread. At least so far.

autoduelist said:
We as a people are solving this. Our businesses are pivoting to our defense. Our families are listening to our experts and, with a few exceptions, doing as advised - not because they are servile, but because they are taking heed of experts voluntarily.
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Well, obviously what the US is doing isn't working because you already have more than 10.000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of infected.
You should have been prepared for this. This is wasn't a surprise. This is a scenario people have been warning about for decades.
The US only started reacting when the outbreak was already in full swing.

If this shows anything, it's that the neoliberal, "free market is king"-approach, doesn't work at all.
Free market and private businesses and the president got tricked by exponential growth.

And you have the same issue with climate change, where the free market is unable to self-regulate because the negative consequence lie 50-100 years in the future.

This system doesn't work and everyone who still doesn't get it after seeing this pandemic response in the US and after seeing the past 10 years of climate change mitigation efforts, is delusional.

autoduelist said:
We have some overreaches here and there, and applicable outrage. But we are solving this. We. You. Me. Doctors. Nurses. Police. Grocers. Factory workers. Farmers. We. Government does not save us, we save us.
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Wherever the numbers end up in the end, if you had a properly functioning government, they could have been 95% lower.

Also, while doctors, nurses, police, grocers, workers and farmer bust their asses right now they won't profit off of their work, while at the same time there is a massive redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top taking place right now.
Just like in 2008.


Americans are the ultimate cucks if you ask me.
 
Where I work it could be a fatality rate of 30-40%.

No staff have died - yet. But many who've had it said it was the worst illness of their life. A 25-year-old staff member is still ill after a month. Three said they had to go to hospital for fear of not being able to breathe. One refused to go to hospital (I'm not sure why), but said she was sobbing, believing she was going to die.

Myself, I'm paranoid now. As soon as I feel even remotely unwell, I automatically fear I might be sick. Typically, when I do get sick I go straight into denial, until it's impossible to deny.

At first, I thought it might be 'okay' to get sick - to get it out of the way. I thought that my mom would probably survive it.

I no longer think that way. My thinking now is, I just can't get this thing. I can't.
 
DeceptiveAlarm said:
I'm in PA I know 6 people personally that show most or all symptoms and were not tested and told to stay home. I think if they tested everyone thought the death % would go down.
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Again, how do you test 320 million people? People who aren't showing symptoms will resist and then you run into a constitutional crisis.
 
PrellboGark said:
Considering that they have opened up Wuhan again, I'd say their official death count can't be too far off.
Had they lied about their numbers in a significant way they wouldn't be able to open up now.
Also note that China managed to prevent a national spread. At least so far.


Well, obviously what the US is doing isn't working because you already have more than 10.000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of infected.
You should have been prepared for this. This is wasn't a surprise. This is a scenario people have been warning about for decades.
The US only started reacting when the outbreak was already in full swing.

If this shows anything, it's that the neoliberal, "free market is king"-approach, doesn't work at all.
Free market and private businesses and the president got tricked by exponential growth.

And you have the same issue with climate change, where the free market is unable to self-regulate because the negative consequence lie 50-100 years in the future.

This system doesn't work and everyone who still doesn't get it after seeing this pandemic response in the US and after seeing the past 10 years of climate change mitigation efforts, is delusional.


Wherever the numbers end up in the end, if you had a properly functioning government, they could have been 95% lower.

Also, while doctors, nurses, police, grocers, workers and farmer bust their asses right now they won't profit off of their work, while at the same time there is a massive redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top taking place right now.
Just like in 2008.


Americans are the ultimate cucks if you ask me.
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Do I get a fortune cookie for reading your post?
 
Siri said:
Where I work it could be a fatality rate of 30-40%.

No staff have died - yet. But many who've had it said it was the worst illness of their life. A 25-year-old staff member is still ill after a month. Three said they had to go to hospital for fear of not being able to breathe. One refused to go to hospital (I'm not sure why), but said she was sobbing, believing she was going to die.

Myself, I'm paranoid now. As soon as I feel even remotely unwell, I automatically fear I might be sick. Typically, when I do get sick I go straight into denial, until it's impossible to deny.

At first, I thought it might be 'okay' to get sick - to get it out of the way. I thought that my mom would probably survive it.

I no longer think that way. My thinking now is, I just can't get this thing. I can't.
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I hear you, I think you and I work in the same setting straight now to the Filipina co workers. One of our buildings has it now and it is really taking a toll on them. Stay strong man.
 
Wwg1wga said:
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This is actually happening all over the world. Places like Italy, Spain and France are coding cause of death as COVID-19 whether the patient actually died from it or one of their multiple underlying health conditions. If they have pneumonia its just assumed its COVID-19 and that was the cause of death.
 
Setzer said:
This is actually happening all over the world. Places like Italy, Spain and France are coding cause of death as COVID-19 whether the patient actually died from it or one of their multiple underlying health conditions. If they have pneumonia its just assumed its COVID-19 and that was the cause of death.
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Tucker Carlson mentioned last night that pneumonia deaths in the US are down compared to recent years. I'm still trying to find a solid source on that since he didn't give numbers or cite any specific agency.
 
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Liljagare said:
Oh boy, I hope its truth... Would be kinda interesting if Sweden did the right thing in the end. Here is to hoping, we are still going to see it get worse, before it gets better, but statistics are allready starting to show a plateu..

Trying to remain positive, though now we have 4 confirmed sick in our apartment house, so no more elevator rides for me, nobody uses the stairs so taking them insted. :p
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It's not looking at it. Sweden already has more than twice the deaths of Denmark, Norway and Finland, combined, and the difference is only growing.
 
Wwg1wga said:
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One reason for MN to inflate their numbers is to qualify for more federal resources or to be moved higher in priority for those resources.

There are also some government reimbursments for Corona virus care that they wouldn't get if it was just the flu.
 
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ManaByte said:





Look, I know a socialist utopia believes that, but if you try to keep people locked up through this summer and you're going to have violent civil unrest. Try to keep them locked up a YEAR and you have Mad Max. Past a year you get to Thunderdome.
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It is what it is ... better accept it. Why behave like this ? It's for the best? To keep everyone save ..
 
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cryptoadam said:
Agree. I also think that they had really high predictions and then more realistic predictions and they went with the high predictions to scare people, and to also make it seem like we did better than anyone could of seen.

If the US peaks at 50K deaths, that looks a lot better than 100-200K, and way better than 1-2 Million. If they came out and said 50K deats and you get 60K well you did a bad job and things were a lot worse. Under promise and over deliver.

And 100% we are going to look back at this and realize we did everything wrong along the way. But as you said its new and all we could do was react. The power of hindsight will give us more insight in our mistakes but I can't really dock people for reacting in a situation that looked unsolvable and uncontrollable.

Oh and also China. Since China was the canary in the coal mine and the first one, every country followed their model because it "worked". Even though it didn't "work" and everything they have said was basically BS.
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Except it's not .. it will get as low because basically the whole world is in lock down , otherwise it would be like Italy in every country..

And measures of some kind will be here for months to come , better say goodbye to summer vacation .
 
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oatmeal said:
I firmly believe (not that that means anything) that in 6 months we will look back on this way differently than we are now.
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sinnergy said:
Except it's not .. it will get as low because basically the whole world is in lock down , otherwise it would be like Italy in every country..

And measures of some kind will be here for months to come , better say goodbye to summer vacation .
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You better say goodbye to society if you try to keep people locked up throughout the summer.
 
Chittagong said:
In what way, I am curious?

I do wonder whether we were simply unaware of what influenza deaths looked like before.
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When we start pulling back the layers of how people died, and how people reported deaths and how it wasn't universal... It'll look a lot less bad than it has.

This thread has slowed tremendously as the panic news slowed down and countries started to get a handle on it. New York is the reason that the USA looks so bad and people panicked so much.

Not saying it's not a bad virus. It is, and the long incubation period + easy spread is insane. But I think there will be a lot more clarity when looking at it in hindsight.
 
Only ONE state hasn't issued stay at home orders. ONE out of fifty. It's pretty much a national lockdown now. So why are people still screaming for a federally enforced lockdown? I thought they DIDN'T want Trump to be a dictator, now they do?

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sinnergy said:
Except it's not .. it will get as low because basically the whole world is in lock down , otherwise it would be like Italy in every country..

And measures of some kind will be here for months to come , better say goodbye to summer vacation .
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I agree things would look bad, but I don't know if they would be as bad as what the predictions put out.

Where I live we have a lockdown and we haven't become Italy v2 and aren't at what some our worst predictions were. We are also one of the best in following lockdown according to google monitoring. Things would of looked bad but I don't know if they would of been as bad as some said.

And where I live as an example shows that we don't necessarily need a China style lockdown. We are lockdown with closures but people aren't being welded into their homes or need permits to step 100 meters out of their homes.

And measures will be around for a while. I dont expect to be going to any sports stadiums or concerts any time soon. But we will also find a way to live life around this. I just went to the supermarket and they had someone wash down your cart and give you hand sanitizer. There are markers everywhere, limited customers and plexi glass put up for the cashiers. We will adapt and find a way to move forward. In a few months we will have way better and more sophisticated testing and we will be better at contract tracing and isolating.
 
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