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[Deleted member 17706]

This is another one making the rounds, various "citizen reporters" attempting to film various hospitals that were earlier profiled on news reports as being overwhelmed or having massive testing lines, etc. They try to show both the news reports and then the subsequent videos taken by citizens

I'm not buying this at all. Cities are in lockdown for the most part and people are generally calling ahead to hospitals. I could go to a nearby hospital right now and film a few seconds of the exterior and it wouldn't provide a damn thing.

Like I said earlier, some of these "citizen reporters" need to set up a 24-hour webcam if they really want to prove something either way about hospital activity.

 

[JORMBO]

oh yah? Where you seeing that...

Saw it on TV last week from Mnuchin. The original cited timeline was mid April also.

 

[oatmeal]

Saw it on TV last week from Mnuchin. The original cited timeline was mid April also.

Okay. Let's hope.

 

[JORMBO]

Okay. Let's hope.

Found a source for you. Looks like the most recent info from Mnuchin (made today) says they will start being deposited next week.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says direct deposits under the coronavirus stimulus package will begin next week

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is telling House Democrats that direct deposits to Americans will begin next week under the coronavirus aid package. Mnuchin is also telling the lawmakers that $98…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[cryptoadam]

Way to go Nevada! Set a record with 22,547 new cases today!

EDIT
Appears to be an error. According to State of Nevada Dept. of Health that 24,634 figure is the total # of tests performed. They actually have a total of 2,318 cases.
https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=ey...0MGU2LWI4OWUtNGU2OC04ZWFhLTE1NDRkMjcwMzk4MCJ9

That was actually the number of Tigers that died performing for Sigfried and Roy

 

[Karma Jawa]

This literally does not compute.

We have two plain-as-day numbers for COVID-19 deaths. One from the government's provisional update on March 27th that only applied to hospital deaths, and one reconciled report that accounted for all deaths, including those those in the home, and broke out the COVID-19 deaths from the big picture. The reconciled number was lower than the provisional one.

How are you using that number to say that actual deaths are 70% higher than initially reported? You're just going by that article that provides no source and suspiciously seems to be a misunderstanding by a math-impaired individual?

The reconciled number was the higher one. Across the graph. That's their whole point.

Why would a number only including hospital deaths be higher than one accounting for hospital deaths, home deaths, and late registration deaths for the same day?

The government themselves have said the daily figures are lower because of the lag. I'm not trying to start a pointless argument but I can't see how you've got it so backwards.

The 70% figure should really be 'as much as 70%' rather than a flat rate.

It's like an episode of The Twilight Zone. The ONS fatality figures are higher than the daily figures released by the government. It's inevitable because of the lag, has been acknowledged by the government, and is the same across the world.

Numerous reports from the US about how lots of home and pneumonia deaths were probably Covid, but which weren't recorded accurately.

The numbers suggest the UK is already at 1.5k today (well, according to a friend of mine who works in statistical analysis, so I wouldn't expect anyone to take that at face value, as I wouldn't) so given the lag we'll probably see an official government figure of around 2k on Easter Sunday, which the ONS will later report to be closer to 3k on the same day when other deaths have been factored in.

I hope I'm wrong and I'm certainly not trying to scaremonger. Rather than spam this important thread with this discussion let's just see what the figures are in the UK on Sunday. There have been noticeable troughs in figures on Sundays across Europe though, and it's also a bank holiday in the UK, so it's possible that we could see an alarming jump on Tuesday 14th.

Stay safe.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The reconciled number was the higher one. Across the graph. That's their whole point.

Why would a number only including hospital deaths be higher than one accounting for hospital deaths, home deaths, and late registration deaths for the same day?

The government themselves have said the daily figures are lower because of the lag. I'm not trying to start a pointless argument but I can't see how you've got it so backwards.

The 70% figure should really be 'as much as 70%' rather than a flat rate.

It's like an episode of The Twilight Zone. The ONS fatality figures are higher than the daily figures released by the government. It's inevitable because of the lag, has been acknowledged by the government, and is the same across the world.

Numerous reports from the US about how lots of home and pneumonia deaths were probably Covid, but which weren't recorded accurately.

The numbers suggest the UK is already at 1.5k today (well, according to a friend of mine who works in statistical analysis, so I wouldn't expect anyone to take that at face value, as I wouldn't) so given the lag we'll probably see an official government figure of around 2k on Easter Sunday, which the ONS will later report to be closer to 3k on the same day when other deaths have been factored in.

I hope I'm wrong and I'm certainly not trying to scaremonger. Rather than spam this important thread with this discussion let's just see what the figures are in the UK on Sunday. There have been noticeable troughs in figures on Sundays across Europe though, and it's also a bank holiday in the UK, so it's possible that we could see an alarming jump on Tuesday 14th.

Stay safe.

I don't know what to tell you, but I shared the sources and you can look at them as you please. The ONS reconciled numbers released *later* than the provisional government numbers, show LOWER COVID-19 deaths than initially reported. Please point out what I'm getting wrong here instead of just telling me to believe something you read in an article that seems to contradict that actual data.

 

[Faenrir]

There are STILL people who are ignoring the context when it comes to New York. They scream at the US numbers without realizing the majority of that is from New York and their dumbass leadership.

CA has a higher population than New York but its curve is flat and their numbers are a fraction of New Yorks.

Nah, New York is merely the start, it has already spread everywhere else most likely You'll know in a week or two.
Death toll will continue to grow until then. The uS will probably have at least 50k deaths. UK will be around 20 at least.

 

[cryptoadam]

Conference time.

Trump gonna slap some of those fools in the peanut gallery. What dumb ass question is CNN going to ask?

I hope to god that hot OAN reporter is there, and that hot Brazilian reporter. Theres another auburn hair cutie too.

 

[Alebrije]

It's already like that in a lot of places.

Masks and gloves are required to go outside here now plus you need to get an approved permit from the government to go out.

Well the bright side is that industrial dance will take the place of pop and regueton music...

 

[Kacho]

Mike Pompeo is crushing it. So proud I work for him.

 

[Alebrije]

Conference time.

Trump gonna slap some of those fools in the peanut gallery. What dumb ass question is CNN going to ask?

I hope to god that hot OAN reporter is there, and that hot Brazilian reporter. Theres another auburn hair cutie too.

Is he forced to take questions from CNN, just cant ignore them? There seems a lot of other media always...

 

[Alebrije]

Nah, New York is merely the start, it has already spread everywhere else most likely You'll know in a week or two.
Death toll will continue to grow until then. The uS will probably have at least 50k deaths. UK will be around 20 at least.

That is my concern ...CA Florida are like 10 days retarded....and most states...no matter.how you flat the curve without a vacinne people will die. Flat te curve is for have avalaiable resources like a ventilator for every one that need them.

 

[oatmeal]

"Our projections for ventilators was right..."

REEEEEE

 

[Karma Jawa]

I don't know what to tell you, but I shared the sources and you can look at them as you please. The ONS reconciled numbers released *later* than the provisional government numbers, show LOWER COVID-19 deaths than initially reported. Please point out what I'm getting wrong here instead of just telling me to believe something you read in an article that seems to contradict that actual data.

I'm basing my response on the same site, relying on the same data. You've got it backwards. The ONS figures were released later, but are consistent much HIGHER.

Go back to the graph, look at the lines and colour codes, scroll along, and look at the bigger figure. Short of filming myself showing you how to use their graph there's not much more I can do than call upon common sense.

The high lines are the ONS figures. The lower lines include the government daily figures. Higher numbers of fatalities for the same day (even if taking longer to determine) are higher than lower numbers initially recorded for the same day.

I've explained this enough. If you want to feign ignorance on interpreting something that is increasingly evident every day I can only assume you're trolling or being difficult for the sake of it.

 

[JORMBO]

First question .... "could you have acted on this back in January"

They ask this same exact question every single day and have been for weeks. What answer are they expecting at this point?

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Brazil update:

 

[gunslikewhoa]

I'm not buying this at all. Cities are in lockdown for the most part and people are generally calling ahead to hospitals. I could go to a nearby hospital right now and film a few seconds of the exterior and it wouldn't provide a damn thing.

Like I said earlier, some of these "citizen reporters" need to set up a 24-hour webcam if they really want to prove something either way about hospital activity.

Yeah, I saw a drive-by of Mount Sinai with somebody calling this all a hoax just a couple days ago. Tell anyone working inside Mount Sinai that.

 

[JORMBO]

"will you pardon Joe exotic"

 

[Kacho]

First question .... "could you have acted on this back in January"

They ask this same exact question every single day and have been for weeks. What answer are they expecting at this point?

They're fishing for a "gotcha" clip to post on Twitter

 

[oatmeal]

Much lighter press room today.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Saudis am cry

 

[oatmeal]

"Why hasn't Obama endorsed Biden? He must know something you don't know... I know... But you don't know."

 

[HellforLeather]

I cant believe someone asked if he would pardon Joe Exotic....memes have gotten into the presidential press briefings.

 

[Dthomp]

Is he forced to take questions from CNN, just cant ignore them? There seems a lot of other media always...

Why does it matter who asks the question when the answer is always three quarters retarded? I can't believe that there are people here defending anything this idiot has done since January, my god he may be literally the dumbest president the US has ever had.

 

[cryptoadam]

"Why hasn't Obama endorsed Biden? He must know something you don't know... I know... But you don't know."

Hillary about to make a last minute come back.

Its her turn.

 

[oatmeal]

 

[MetalAlien]

Interesting.

Essential Workers Would Get up to $25,000 Under Senate Democrats' Stimulus

The hazard pay would go to employees deemed essential during the pandemic, including those who work in drug and grocery stores, and in health care, sanitation and transportation.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Kacho]

This guy is a master troll

 

[Chankoras]

"Why hasn't Obama endorsed Biden? He must know something you don't know... I know... But you don't know."

why hasn't he? Will be interesting to find out what the democratic establishment strategy is, so far doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[ManaByte]

They're fishing for a "gotcha" clip to post on Twitter

Not just that. They're trying to nail him into admitting to not acting quickly so Pelosi can impeach him on negligent homicide.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

This is the kind of thing that I just don't understand. I saw this in another video last night, and was reading an article today about the media coverage of the virus where they linked the video.

This is included in a segment about the severity of the situation in New York. Why would they need to create footage of doctors working on dummies? The relevant section starts at 2:09, I can't get the timestamp at work.

Jesus, the nut bars are coming out again.

Its easier to film a doll than a person because A) you don't have to worry about privacy and B) news teams dont have to worry about PPE or exposure and C) Hospitals are too busy in actual clinical care areas to accommodate all the news teams.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm basing my response on the same site, relying on the same data. You've got it backwards. The ONS figures were released later, but are consistent much HIGHER.

Go back to the graph, look at the lines and colour codes, scroll along, and look at the bigger figure. Short of filming myself showing you how to use their graph there's not much more I can do than call upon common sense.

The high lines are the ONS figures. The lower lines include the government daily figures. Higher numbers of fatalities for the same day (even if taking longer to determine) are higher than lower numbers initially recorded for the same day.

I've explained this enough. If you want to feign ignorance on interpreting something that is increasingly evident every day I can only assume you're trolling or being difficult for the sake of it.

Thanks for pointing it out again. I don't know what the hell I was missing last time, but you're right: it's right there on the page. I was looking at the GOV-UK deaths reported on the day vs. the ONS deaths initially reported on the same day. The ONS deaths were later updated with more accurate numbers a few days later, and when comparing those updated ONS numbers to the originally reported GOV-UK numbers, you get the 70% increase.

926 cumulative deaths as of March 27th reported by GOV-UK (reported on March 27th) vs 1,568 cumulative deaths as of March 27th reported by ONS (reported on April 1st) = 69% increase.

Apologies for the confusion and aggressive attitude towards you.

 

[Karma Jawa]

Thanks for pointing it out again. I don't know what the hell I was missing last time, but you're right: it's right there on the page. I was looking at the GOV-UK deaths reported on the day vs. the ONS deaths initially reported on the same day. The ONS deaths were later updated with more accurate numbers a few days later, and when comparing those updated ONS numbers to the originally reported GOV-UK numbers, you get the 70% increase.

926 cumulative deaths as of March 27th reported by GOV-UK (reported on March 27th) vs 1,568 cumulative deaths as of March 27th reported by ONS (reported on April 1st) = 69% increase.

Apologies for the confusion and aggressive attitude towards you.

Thanks and no worries at all. The stats aren't really presented very well and I can understand why people would be pissed off if they think I'm trying to make things look worse than they are.

I'm no fan of the government but they're not giving false data. They're just giving the info they have available. It's pretty much inevitable that the official figures will be lower than the real figures.

I fell ill quite early, so I'm approaching a full month in quarantine. Already going quietly mad. Hope you all keep safe.

 

[Strife In a Teacup]

Well the bright side is that industrial dance will take the place of pop and regueton music...

Time for the Resurrection of the Cyber Goth.

Who knew social distancing could have so much edge. Instead of a foam party it could be an anti-microbial fog party.

 

[12Goblins]

Found this quite rich

edit: I see this thread is devolving to delusional conspiracy theories

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Found this quite rich

Is it not true? The WHO criticized the China travel ban. Almost every nation around the world had a slow response because of the initial recommendations coming out of the WHO.

 

[Nymphae]

 

[Tesseract]

 

[Coolwhhip]

Haha he is such a sleeze bag. Love it. Not if he were leading my country, but good entertainment.

 

[Chankoras]

Found this quite rich

The usual, obfuscate reality and dissipate blame from his administration, although in all fairness, WHO has not been performing well.

 

[Nymphae]

Hulk Hogan weighs in

Spoiler

 

[Tesseract]

Hulk Hogan weighs in

tell them, brother

 

[Sejan]

Growth rate has fallen to the 8% range consistently over the past 3 days. This is a doubling rate every 8-9 days. This is a huge improvement over the doubling rate of 2-3 days that we were seeing about 3 weeks ago. The five day rolling growth average is officially less than 10%. Great news!


To give an example with numbers. There are currently roughly 425,000 confirmed cases in the USA right now.
A growth rate of 8% daily means that in 7 days the number will be ~728,000 cases in 7 days.
A growth rate of 30% (a number we were seeing regularly just over 2 weeks ago) would yield ~2,666,000 cases in 7 days.

Clearly this is a stark improvement. Obviously, we need to continue to improve, but this is a great start.

 

[Come On Tars]

Can someone explain to me if this graph is misleading? Are doctors reporting possible pnuemonia deaths as Covid-19?

 

[Sejan]

Can someone explain to me if this graph is misleading? Are doctors reporting possible pnuemonia deaths as Covid-19?

It's hard to say. It could be misdiagnosing other pneumonias as COVID. Another possibility is that people are avoiding other pneumonia causing diseases as a side effect of avoiding COVID. It's likely a bit of both.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Can someone explain to me if this graph is misleading? Are doctors reporting possible pnuemonia deaths as Covid-19?

Posted this on the last page, but it looks like the reduced pneumonia death numbers may just be due to a lag in reporting that happens every year and isn't out of the ordinary at all

 

[pr0cs]

Just a reminder who Canada voted in as the leader through our challenge of covid.

 

[VertigoOA]

Cuomo states daily he's thankful for the president and the administration's assistance to facilitate all of NYC's efforts and that the administration has been quick and responsive. So I don't get the shit slinging. And ad someone who lives in NYC... I find it all very impressive how infrastructure and rules were put into effect; even if I am concerned about the police state growing...

New York numbers are high but it also seems that the state has done a better job than most in facilitating testing.

NYC is the central commerce and travel hub of the entire fucking planet... having the most cases should surprise no one. The moment it appeared in Wuhan ... it was in Manhattan 24hrs later.

New Yorkers getting another 600$ on top of the trump dollars from the state... who will then be reimbursed by the government at a later time....

 

[ManaByte]

Cuomo states daily he's thankful for the president and the administration's assistance to facilitate all of NYC's efforts and that the administration has been quick and responsive. So I don't get the shit slinging. And ad someone who lives in NYC... I find it all very impressive how infrastructure and rules were put into effect; even if I am concerned about the police state growing...

New York numbers are high but it also seems that the state has done a better job than most in facilitating testing.

NYC is the central commerce and travel hub of the entire fucking planet... having the most cases should surprise no one. The moment it appeared in Wuhan ... it was in Manhattan 24hrs later.

New Yorkers getting another 600$ on top of the trump dollars from the state... who will then be reimbursed by the government at a later time....

I think people are enjoying using the New York numbers as proof that everyone is going to die. Then they say what happened in New York will happen everywhere, when New York is 100% unique in the US.