Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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cryptoadam said:
What if Corona could be spread through our farts.

Silent but deadly indeed.
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So there are only two nations left* (circled in blue), that are not infected. What do you think is going through their minds?

*North Korea is a tales from my ass.

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Sakura said:
But Sweden is already seeing unemployment rise.
The global economy is shitty right now. There's no tourism. People aren't out and about shopping as much, lockdown or not.
Sweden can do its own thing, and they will get more deaths in exchange for, well, still a bad economy.
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Statistics aren't pointing towards that though, as was my first worry too.

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(Sources, worldometer and FHM)
 
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JordanN said:
So there are only two nations left* (circled in blue), that are not infected. What do you think is going through their minds?
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"Hey guys, maybe we should be doing some tests?"

Realistically it's almost impossible they're in the clear. I mean ever the goddamn Greenland had cases.
 
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ManaByte said:
OOF New York:
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They didn't take it seriously, just like most of the world. They need to eat crow for this, but I'm not going to condemn them for thinking it probably wouldn't blow up in their home towns at the time.
 
My friend wanted me to hang out and spend the night having some drinks and listening to music.

I was going to but declined today due to caring for my dad and plus I'm not physically or emotionally up to it.
 
Tesseract said:
stay strong, mate

not an easy thing what you are doing, but it's the right thing
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Past week has been pretty bad personally. I also had a sort of unexpected bill that pretty much sucked me dry.

On top of that, my best friend most likely going to be very mad at me and other personal problems I'm in no shape even emotionally to go out.
 
Darkmakaimura said:
Past week has been pretty bad personally. I also had a sort of unexpected bill that pretty much sucked me dry.

On top of that, my best friend most likely going to be very mad at me and other personal problems I'm in no shape even emotionally to go out.
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if they're a good friend, they will listen and understand
 
ManaByte said:
OOF New York:
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80% of these statements had been reasonable at the time they've been made.
There is no point in shutting down when there is no local spread.

The main problem during this time was the lack of widespread testing.
If you know an epidemic is around the corner you ramp up testing capabilities so you spot it instantly and are then able to take targeted and informed measures.
 
JordanN said:
So there are only two nations left* (circled in blue), that are not infected. What do you think is going through their minds?

*North Korea is a tales from my ass.

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Aside from some weird differences (Norway) it matches map of TB vaccines quite close

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JordanN said:
Are we talking about the U.S here or the world?
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I'm talking about both.
JordanN said:
If America only did manufacturing on its own soil, then it doesn't matter which company goes out of business.
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Yes it does. American business are also competing with businesses around the world, and would be at a disadvantage relative to them if American businesses aren't also allowed to use cheap labor. You would need a variety of protectionist tariffs, buy USA regulations, domestic subsidies, and even nationalization of businesses. Capitalist, free market American businesses don't like that and will lobby hard against it, and in today's political climate, their donations influence politicians. They don't want Venezuela style regulations affecting their private business.

JordanN said:
Because outsourcing is useless without the actual technical brilliance and innovation to go with it.
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I'm not sure if I know what you mean by this. Outsourcing is effective precisely because of homegrown brilliance and innovation. Concentrate on what you do well (technical brilliance and innovation), outsource what others do well (cheap labor). Again, comparative advantage. You throw that out the window when your priorities aren't profit, like for example, socialist states.

www.foxnews.com

Comparative Advantages of Outsourcing

This is a partial transcript of "Special Report with Brit Hume", Feb.
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HUME: So what is this man talking about? He says outsourcing, and he means by that jobs going overseas of a certain kind, is in the long run a good thing. How could it be a good thing?

MITCHELL: American consumers, American families are always looking to stretch their dollar the farthest. They're looking to buy the best products at the lowest prices. That puts tremendous competitive pressure on U.S. companies, who are competing against foreign companies.

And those U.S. companies have to reduce costs. They have to get rid of fat inside their own operations. They have to look for the lowest input prices.

Labor is an input. And for certain lower-level, lower-skilled jobs, it's indeed possible that you're going to get a better deal by outsourcing those jobs overseas. So the company can then free up money that it can use to hire other workers, to lower prices for consumers, to pay higher dividends to shareholders.

And that money then winds up being used throughout our economy in a way that actually puts us ahead in the long run. And that's what Mankiw meant.

We economists aren't very good; we're not very glib at explaining these economic concepts. But I think what Mankiw said ultimately is right. In the long run, having this policy of free trade is going to make us more prosperous. It's why the U.S. creates jobs and countries like France don't.
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Now, talk about the consequences for other countries of American outsourcing.

MITCHELL: Well, this is the kind of ironic thing. You have a lot of the liberal Democrats saying this is a terrible idea. Well, what's so terrible about people in the third world having economic opportunity, having the ability to get a reward for the fact that they've gone through the trouble and time and energy to learn the English language?

This is why free trade benefits countries whether you are importing, whether you are exporting, or vice versa. Free trade benefits us because of the old notion of comparative advantage. Now, what does that mean? It's an economic term. It simply means that if we can generate more economic growth and more prosperity by concentrating on certain things, we should concentrate on those things.
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JordanN said:
There's a reason why when you look at actual "made in China" products, they just tend to be ripoffs, not originals.
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Cherry picking. "Made in Japan" used to be a joke until their industrial manufacturing awakening.



China went through that same phase.

"Made in China" still can indicate shit quality and ripoffs, but it can also indicate otherwise. Like, most of the computer exports in the world. 30% of an iPhone has ties to Chinese manufacturing. Chinese manufacturing has its hand in many premium products.

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Where Is the iPhone Made? (It's Not Just One Country!)

Curious about where the iPhone is made? With such complex devices, there's no simple answer, but the details are here.
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Born in the USA: Computer Hardware Made in America - Newegg Business Smart Buyer

Are there any computers and hardware components made in America? A rundown of tech companies with US-based manufacturing.
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List of countries by computer exports - Wikipedia

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Rentahamster said:
I'm talking about both.
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Ideally, I would apply my same reasoning to other Western-centric countries. Especially when you look at who has been hit hardest right now, it would be more rational for Western countries to trade or do business amongst themselves, rather than the sloppy (and prone to backfiring) approach of sending everything to the third world.

Rentahamster said:
Yes it does. American business are also competing with businesses around the world, and would be at a disadvantage relative to them if American businesses aren't also allowed to use cheap labor. You would need a variety of protectionist tariffs, buy USA regulations, domestic subsidies, and even nationalization of businesses. Capitalist, free market American businesses don't like that and will lobby hard against it, and in today's political climate, their donations influence politicians. They don't want Venezuela style regulations affecting their private business.
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Cheap labor can't compete against quality. This has been true throughout history.

Look no further than the Confederate States. 100% slave labor, but still got steamrolled by the more industrialized North.

Even Europe at this time, had actually banned slavery. Which empire was more powerful? Britain (abolished slavery in the 1800s), or the slave owning Ethiopia Empire?

Cheap labor is just a race to the bottom that doesn't actually spur innovation, which is more important for building wealth or maintaining status. A software company like Microsoft holds more wealth than a collection of third world sweatshops put together. Microsoft could pay these sweatshops to manufacture any of their software in bulk, but the sweatshops could never actually design the software that's worth billions.

Rentahamster said:
I'm not sure if I know what you mean by this.
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When we outsource, all we're doing is telling foreign countries to copy our original designs, instead of actually having them come up with the next iPhone or Playstation.

The ability to outsource does make it easier to manufacture these ideas in bulk, but if you actually pull the plug on where these ideas come from, then it doesn't matter what the "competition" does.

Again, we know what actual "made in China" products are like. They suck ass. There's a reason China runs elaborate spy rings all around the world. They rather steal other countries ideas then create their own.

If people want to put their faith in China and buy their products, I say go ahead. But if it's America or France who builds the first rocket that goes to Mars and back, but they refuse to outsource the technology, then good luck waiting for another country to come along and create it.
 
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Does anyone here have actual medical knowledge, studied to be a doctor etc.
I have a question and an idea.
 
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DV27 said:
this is one of the more sensible posts on COV19 amongst the rest of the bullshit in the media these days

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Basically what lots of us in this thread have been saying since early March. Nothing else makes sense when it comes to these temporary lockdowns.
 
cryptoadam said:
Better hope Trump doesnt mention it or then it will be marked as garbage.
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Too late, he's mentioned it a few times already as well as the company behind it, Gilead, but for some reason it's getting clipped out of White House press briefing footage used by sources I've looked up.
 
ManaByte said:
OOF New York:
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Most of this shit from Early February.
Deblasio gets shit for not acting quickly enough. but he took the virus seriously a month before Trump, and he's just a terrible mayor, what does that make Trump?

ManaByte said:
ktla.com

New signs suggest coronavirus was in California far earlier than anyone knew

A man found dead in his house in early March. A woman who fell sick in mid-February and later died. These early COVID-19 deaths in the San Francisco Bay Area suggest that the novel coronavirus had …
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Yes, it's definitely been in the US since February, January, and maybe even December. But it takes time to detect when you're not looking, and it takes time to spread.
That's why we need to get the numbers down to manageable levels again, implement testing and tracing policies, and then safely get shit going.
 
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