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I expect those protesters have all agreed to forego any treatment in guvmint-run hospitals when they get the first symptoms of the virus they all gave each others yelling FREEDOM.
 
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Well, there are now 644,806 US cases of corona and 28,572 deaths. I guess it was the right approach "not to chill".
 
So, I dont know if I'm gonna get my Trump buckaroos. Went on the site just to add my account for direct deposit (why did I want checks in 2018!?) and it says that my eligibility cannot be determined. According to the FAQ this means that my taxes were either not filed or not processed yet, both of which are incorrect as I got a refund that year and the year after.

Those of us lucky enough to be maintaining our jobs these days, any thoughts as to doing something charitable with the money? Couple thoughts I've had:

-big tips for Instacart delivery people
-buying gift cards to local restaurants
-buying and donating PPE stuff to the local hospital (are there still shortages? Seems like the noise on this has died down the last few days)
 
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Under the new policy, which will be rolled out in the coming weeks, users who liked, shared, commented or reacted with an emoji to such posts before they were deleted will see a message in their news feed directing them to a "myth busters" page maintained by the World Health Organization (WHO)."

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One of the best things to happen since All This Shit Started, is that The Guardian might be struggling to stay in print. Only recently they've started blocking access to whole articles, stating readers have to register to continue. Talk about fake news being banned, O Glorious Heavens, good riddance to this far-left shitrag.

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JordanN said:
I'm going to do it bros. I'm applying for my blackface bux.

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I just got mine today. I applied the day it was available (last Monday). No idea why mine took so long (maybe due to self employment) but everyone else got theirs quick.

I wish there was some way to contact the government though, I can really get by on $1200 a month. I know we might have to pay back the extra next tax season but if people/the country needs help right now I don't want to be sitting around on extra
 
DeepEnigma said:
This is how you devalue the dollar and cause massive inflation. Agenda 21 sounding more and more real.
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I disagree. Them printing money and handing it to workers is not going to cause any more inflation than them printing it and handing it directly to the stock market. At least that way it gets spent a few times before getting hoovered up by the stock market.

Inflation has been going on all along these past 30 years or so unchecked because of a financial bubble in the market. A huge chunk of that cash bubble disappeared a few weeks back, and the bubble needs to be inflated somehow. Better to do it with UBI than with the fed buying stocks.
 
Cybrwzrd said:
I disagree. Them printing money and handing it to workers is not going to cause any more inflation than them printing it and handing it directly to the stock market. At least that way it gets spent a few times before getting hoovered up by the stock market.

Inflation has been going on all along these past 30 years or so unchecked because of a financial bubble in the market. A huge chunk of that cash bubble disappeared a few weeks back, and the bubble needs to be inflated somehow. Better to do it with UBI than with the fed buying stocks.
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I would also rather have it in the hands of the worker's and not stock market. But this also can't be appetizing enough for people to quit and collect either. That will cause massive instability in the economy even if "short term".
 
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Cybrwzrd said:
I disagree. Them printing money and handing it to workers is not going to cause any more inflation than them printing it and handing it directly to the stock market. At least that way it gets spent a few times before getting hoovered up by the stock market.

Inflation has been going on all along these past 30 years or so unchecked because of a financial bubble in the market. A huge chunk of that cash bubble disappeared a few weeks back, and the bubble needs to be inflated somehow. Better to do it with UBI than with the fed buying stocks.
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I agree - but I think the UK's method of allowing employers to furlough staff and have the government pay 80% of wages is a more effective route as the cash grant increases demand while doing nothing for supply where keeping people in employment will directly impact the nature of the recovery and give companies a better shot at coming out the other side in competitive shape - it also sends a message that we want people in work where UBI sends a rather different message.
 
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I wonder how this will look once 100% done. Will the massive amount of asymptomatic carriers be visible?
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So it come out to about 16% of the ship was infected. Diamond Princess was at about 19%. The town in Germany was also at 16%.

I think 16% could be a decent floor of what the real IFR rate is. It can be higher or lower in places depending on density etc... but that 16% range seems to come up quite a bit.
 
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But isn't the math approach interesting? I'm no mathematician myself but I thought it was a cool analysis.
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I think its is, math can tell us alot.

I also noticed this a couple of days ago, but I didn't probably do the same analysis as this guy. But if you look at European countries you will notice they all had a big case spike on March 24th, pretty much the peak for almost every country, the high. And then since then steady decline and the decline follows a very similar pattern.

All of Europe basically is following the same trajectory, peak on 24th and slow decline. In North America between CAnada and the US there is also a bit of a similar pattern. West coast is doing pretty good (cali/wash vs BC), middle of the country in good shape (SK/MB/Alberta vs Wyoming/Montana/SD/ND/Kansas/Nebraska). And then NY and Quebec are hot spots. Quebec looks also like it reached its peak like NY in cases and a slow decline is happening.

To me this probably means that we can trace back the infections from one source that spread it at the same time to all the other places, but does this mean that the infection will just die out?

And consider that Asia is getting a 2nd wave right now, but again it seems to be happening at around the same time. China/Singapore/Japan all starting to see some spikes.
 
DeepEnigma said:
I would also rather have it in the hands of the worker's and not stock market. But this also can't be appetizing enough for people to quit and collect either. That will cause massive instability in the economy even if "short term".
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We are going to see 25-30% unemployment. Companies are going to restructure their workforces. Maybe some jobs are truly unnecessary and redundant, and by incentivizing people to leave the workforce, the labor pool will shrink, giving a much needed edge back to labor. That UBI may be the financial cushion a person needs to start their own business as well.

The current model of hiding inflation while demanding 5-15% year over year stock market gains is kind of ridiculous. Honestly, I'd like to see a shift away from corporate investment in stocks as a strategy to enrich yourself to small business investment. The rich owners of multinationals only need your money in the market to stay rich owners. The local machine shop that is struggling to keep his 15 employees fed needs that investment to stay running.
 
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cryptoadam said:
I think its is, math can tell us alot.

I also noticed this a couple of days ago, but I didn't probably do the same analysis as this guy. But if you look at European countries you will notice they all had a big case spike on March 24th, pretty much the peak for almost every country, the high. And then since then steady decline and the decline follows a very similar pattern.

All of Europe basically is following the same trajectory, peak on 24th and slow decline. In North America between CAnada and the US there is also a bit of a similar pattern. West coast is doing pretty good (cali/wash vs BC), middle of the country in good shape (SK/MB/Alberta vs Wyoming/Montana/SD/ND/Kansas/Nebraska). And then NY and Quebec are hot spots. Quebec looks also like it reached its peak like NY in cases and a slow decline is happening.

To me this probably means that we can trace back the infections from one source that spread it at the same time to all the other places, but does this mean that the infection will just die out?

And consider that Asia is getting a 2nd wave right now, but again it seems to be happening at around the same time. China/Singapore/Japan all starting to see some spikes.
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What confounds me is how SLOW the decline is in a lot of places, even with lock downs/social distancing/etc. We're going on a month now for some of the US, and over a month for areas in Europe, and while day over day case #s are not rapidly increasing, they're not rapidly shrinking either.

Italy the last 5 days:

4/12: 4092
4/13: 3153
4/14: 2972
4/15: 2667
4/16: 3786

They've clearly peaked (back on march 21st, 6557 cases), but we keep seeing cases drop, and then spike up again after a couple days, then slowly go back down, spike again, etc. They hit over 100 cases on 2/26, so it's almost been 2 months of this outbreak. It's been almost a month since the peak, and new cases have halved. If this applies elsewhere, the US would still be looking at 17,000 new cases/day by May (the) 4th (be with you). That is assuming April 4th was our "peak".

If that's correct, 2% CFR of those cases would still be like 300+/day dying 1-2 weeks later.

Germany... I dunno, whatever they did, it seems to be an outlier for sure. They're active cases are rapidly going down. UK & France are still accelerating in active cases, and even Italy is still going up.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
What confounds me is how SLOW the decline is in a lot of places, even with lock downs/social distancing/etc. We're going on a month now for some of the US, and over a month for areas in Europe, and while day over day case #s are not rapidly increasing, they're not rapidly shrinking either.

Italy the last 5 days:

4/12: 4092
4/13: 3153
4/14: 2972
4/15: 2667
4/16: 3786

They've clearly peaked (back on march 21st, 6557 cases), but we keep seeing cases drop, and then spike up again after a couple days, then slowly go back down, spike again, etc. They hit over 100 cases on 2/26, so it's almost been 2 months of this outbreak. It's been almost a month since the peak, and new cases have halved. If this applies elsewhere, the US would still be looking at 17,000 new cases/day by May (the) 4th (be with you). That is assuming April 4th was our "peak".

If that's correct, 2% CFR of those cases would still be like 300+/day dying 1-2 weeks later.

Germany... I dunno, whatever they did, it seems to be an outlier for sure. They're active cases are rapidly going down. UK & France are still accelerating in active cases, and even Italy is still going up.
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Meanwhile China and SK had immediate drop offs. SK still had a few cases here and there but both of them saw a big peak and then a few weeks later drop off to less than 100 cases. With China we can chalk it up to them lying, but SK is always up front.

So it is odd that those 2 countries saw a large drop off but in Europe its been a very slow and gradual one. And though I won't say social distancing wasn't a good thing, if people are testing positive now they got it AFTER the lockdowns. Italy went into lockdown March 9th, the 3K or so people infected the past few days didn't catch this 5 weeks ago.
 
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Meanwhile China and SK had immediate drop offs. SK still had a few cases here and there but both of them saw a big peak and then a few weeks later drop off to less than 100 cases. With China we can chalk it up to them lying, but SK is always up front.

So it is odd that those 2 countries saw a large drop off but in Europe its been a very slow and gradual one. And though I won't say social distancing wasn't a good thing, if people are testing positive now they got it AFTER the lockdowns. Italy went into lockdown March 9th, the 3K or so people infected the past few days didn't catch this 5 weeks ago.
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I can only wonder if the mask culture in SK helped with it? Really, if you remove the Shincheonji Church cases, SK was barely touched. It seems like the cases now (20's/day) is more in line with their community spread (which isn't much). Once they got the Church members located and isolated, it all kind of fizzled.

Since the Europe & US outbreaks didn't seem to be isolated in that same way, maybe the SK comparison isn't really useful?
 
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I can only wonder if the mask culture in SK helped with it? Really, if you remove the Shincheonji Church cases, SK was barely touched. It seems like the cases now (20's/day) is more in line with their community spread (which isn't much). Once they got the Church members located and isolated, it all kind of fizzled.

Since the Europe & US outbreaks didn't seem to be isolated in that same way, maybe the SK comparison isn't really useful?
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I agree, no one can compare themselves to SK.

And I agree masks help. They aren't a cure but even if you lower 10%, or 20% or 50% its going to help.

Makes you think why the WHO was against masks. To avoid shortages? hmmm why did we have those shortages? Why were countries so confident in their supplies that they could send tonnes and tonnes to China in January, and then to turn around 1 or 2 months later having no supplies?

Almost as if China was hoarding all the supplies and informing the WHO that masks are useless for the general population, so other countries wouldn't keep an eye on their supplies and allow China to hoard masks.
 
cryptoadam said:
I agree, no one can compare themselves to SK.

And I agree masks help. They aren't a cure but even if you lower 10%, or 20% or 50% its going to help.

Makes you think why the WHO was against masks. To avoid shortages? hmmm why did we have those shortages? Why were countries so confident in their supplies that they could send tonnes and tonnes to China in January, and then to turn around 1 or 2 months later having no supplies?

Almost as if China was hoarding all the supplies and informing the WHO that masks are useless for the general population, so other countries wouldn't keep an eye on their supplies and allow China to hoard masks.
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Yeah, just another questionable action by WHO, though to be fair there were lots of other agencies ALSO saying masks weren't needed, which was always a lie.

New Zealand might be a curious comparison:



Right now they're sitting on:

1401 cases
9 deaths
CFR: 0.6%

The total population of NZ is under 5 million apparently, so I would guess it's a bit easier to really lock things down when your country is the size of a medium city elsewhere. BUT it certainly seemed to work.

Singapore on the other hand..



Last 5 days..

4/12: 233
4/13: 386
4/14: 334
4/15: 447
4/16: 728

They'd kept things mellow for over a month, but now it seems like they got a big outbreak among the workers. Will this be a Daegu situation where they can bottle it up? Or will it spread like Europe? I'd guess the former.. but if the "EVERYONE IS ASYMPTOMATIC SPREADERS!" conspiracy theory is true, we should see it spread all over.
 
Captain Zyrain said:
Yeah, just another questionable action by WHO, though to be fair there were lots of other agencies ALSO saying masks weren't needed, which was always a lie.

New Zealand might be a curious comparison:



Right now they're sitting on:

1401 cases
9 deaths
CFR: 0.6%

The total population of NZ is under 5 million apparently, so I would guess it's a bit easier to really lock things down when your country is the size of a medium city elsewhere. BUT it certainly seemed to work.

Singapore on the other hand..



Last 5 days..

4/12: 233
4/13: 386
4/14: 334
4/15: 447
4/16: 728

They'd kept things mellow for over a month, but now it seems like they got a big outbreak among the workers. Will this be a Daegu situation where they can bottle it up? Or will it spread like Europe? I'd guess the former.. but if the "EVERYONE IS ASYMPTOMATIC SPREADERS!" conspiracy theory is true, we should see it spread all over.
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NZ did a good job, but they are also a small island nation so its a lot easier for them like you said. But they did do a good job but they were in fortunate circumstances. I think the UAE is also doing something similar and has good results as well.

Singapore looks like its getting a 2nd outbreak, right in time with China and Japan.

Where I live we are getting hit hard in our CHLSD's, which are old age homes. We just jumped in cases and deaths but the deaths were counted from the last week. I have a sneaking suspicion that we basically have a giant infestation in our senior residences and this is driving our spikes but so far our premier hasn't confirmed that. But he did say things are looking good and will talk about plans to re open some what, so I think the main problem is the old age homes. which would go along with singapore having a big outbreak in a clustered area.
 
Study: COVID-19 Takes Over, Kills Immune System Like HIV

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Scientists, pointing to an HIV-like trait, say the coronavirus effectively attacks and destroys the very immune cells that are supposed to protect the body, the South China Morning Post reported.
The study was conducted by medical researchers from China and the U.S., revealing evidence the COVID-19 disease attacks the immune system's T lymphocytes, known as T cells, much like HIV.
"More and more people compare it to HIV," an unnamed doctor told SCMP.
The scientists found COVID-19's attacking the T cells was unlike the past SARS coronavirus, completely destroying the immune system in fatal cases, per the report.
Also, in some patients, the virus that has overtaken the T cells turns the immune system on healthy cells in the body, too, in what is called "cytokine storms," per SCMP.
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Wouldn't that explain the 4 HIV inserts that were reportedly edited into this virus?

Although unconfirmed, the Communist Chinese would have done this, if they could, being the evil commie cunts that they are.
 
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Fauci, one week ago:

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"As a society, just forget about shaking hands, we don't need to shake hands," the director of the National Institute on Allergy and Infectious Disease said at the White House briefing Wednesday. "We've gotta break that custom, because as a matter of fact, that is really one of the major ways you can transmit a respiratory-borne illness."
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Cut to yesterday:

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Dr. Fauci endorses Tinder hookups ‘if you’re willing to take a risk’

Love is a risk. Literally.
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Toward the end of the taped segment, Fauci was asked: "If you're swiping on a dating app like Tinder, or Bumble or Grindr, and you match with someone that you think is hot, and you're just kind of like, 'Maybe it's fine if this one stranger comes over.' What do you say to that person?"
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"You know, that's tough," replied the befuddled National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director to the curveball. "Because that's what's called relative risk."

Then he dropped the bombshell. "If you're willing to take a risk — and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks — you could figure out if you want to meet somebody," said Fauci.
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Handshakes out, handjobs in
 
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Study: COVID-19 Takes Over, Kills Immune System Like HIV

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Study: COVID-19 Takes Over, Kills Immune System Like HIV

Scientists, pointing to an HIV-like trait, say the coronavirus effectively attacks and destroys the very immune cells that are supposed to protect the body, the South China Morning Post reported.
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Wouldn't that explain the 4 HIV inserts that were reportedly edited into this virus?

Although unconfirmed, the Communist Chinese would have done this, if they could, being the evil commie cunts that they are.
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This is what I said last page.

After reading that study, I wouldn't be surprised if this virus was artificially modified to be even more lethal.
 
MichaelRR1989 said:
Study: COVID-19 Takes Over, Kills Immune System Like HIV

www.newsmax.com

Study: COVID-19 Takes Over, Kills Immune System Like HIV

Scientists, pointing to an HIV-like trait, say the coronavirus effectively attacks and destroys the very immune cells that are supposed to protect the body, the South China Morning Post reported.
www.newsmax.com www.newsmax.com



Wouldn't that explain the 4 HIV inserts that were reportedly edited into this virus?

Although unconfirmed, the Communist Chinese would have done this, if they could, being the evil commie cunts that they are.
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I think they said that unlike AIDS it doesn't replicate it just kills the T-Cells. Not thats any better LOL.

I mean somehow a magic HIV+SARS virus just jumped out of a bat and got our Spike protein so they could have the keys to our bodies.
 
cryptoadam said:
I think they said that unlike AIDS it doesn't replicate it just kills the T-Cells. Not thats any better LOL.

I mean somehow a magic HIV+SARS virus just jumped out of a bat and got our Spike protein so they could have the keys to our bodies.
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My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that China engineered it to solve the problem of their own elderly (China won't have enough young people to take care of them over the next 20 years, let alone keep the economy running) and to attack Western nations with high obesity rates. The fact that they've been CRISPR'ing chinese children with immunity to HIV is an interesting coincidence.
 
diffusionx said:
No, the reason why you need a flu shot every year is because there are a lot of different variations of the flu. Essentially scientists look at the flus that are emerging in some parts of the world and make a vaccine for it by the time it gets to our shores, hoping that it it will cover whatever we get. Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't.
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While this is true, antibodies do wane (more likely to happen for vaccine induced than natural). Regardless, it's laughable when people are confronted with the fact that the flu kills tens of thousands every year, but we don't lock down, one of the justifications for NOT locking down to prevent some of those deaths is that we have a vaccine. That's absurd. Some years the vaccine has 30% of lower effectiveness, and you don't have anywhere near 100% uptake in the population. This makes no sense as reasoning that we have to lock down for COVID, and not flue.

All the vaccine bros should probably research the past attempts for similar coronaviruses. The results were not good, and were in fact an antivaxxers wet dream. They largely didn't even make it out of animal trials. This time we skipped straight to human trials because EMERGENCY. This'll go well.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that China engineered it to solve the problem of their own elderly (China won't have enough young people to take care of them over the next 20 years, let alone keep the economy running) and to attack Western nations with high obesity rates. The fact that they've been CRISPR'ing chinese children with immunity to HIV is an interesting coincidence.
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Why couldn't they edit in some Enzyte?

"I survived Covid-19 and all I got was this huge penis."
 
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DunDunDunpachi said:
My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that China engineered it to solve the problem of their own elderly (China won't have enough young people to take care of them over the next 20 years, let alone keep the economy running) and to attack Western nations with high obesity rates. The fact that they've been CRISPR'ing chinese children with immunity to HIV is an interesting coincidence.
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They just wanted a weapon.
 
diffusionx said:
No, the reason why you need a flu shot every year is because there are a lot of different variations of the flu. Essentially scientists look at the flus that are emerging in some parts of the world and make a vaccine for it by the time it gets to our shores, hoping that it it will cover whatever we get. Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't.
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How long does immunity from influenza vaccine last?
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llien said:
Head of Uganda's Ministry of IF is a passionate man:

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LemmingWithaParachute said:
Why is he speaking english?
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llien said:
It's one of the two official languages in his country (and the only one official language until 2005).
The second one is Swahili, which wouldn't be understood in half of the country (which speaks Bantu).
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Kazza said:
We need him in the UK, our officials just can't get the message across:
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Funny video...definitely gave me a chuckle...but posting this in case folks weren't aware this man is NOT a Ugandan official- https://pesacheck.org/hoax-this-man...w-is-not-ugandas-chief-of-police-5d7374bd800a
 
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