Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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cryptoadam

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Because the NYC hospitals were beginning to struggle a month ago. Another couple weeks without a lockdown, and we would have been in serious shit.



You thought it was BS that people called health hotlines, Dame posted a link regarding Maryland, and that became BS too. You often find something to be BS when it doesn't fit with what you already believe.
I didn't even know about Maryland, I know that the Tristate hotlines received many calls.

The alternative isn't much better.
People didn't try what the President said, they didn't even inquire about what the President said, the whole country just ignored him?
If everybody knows to ignore you, you shouldn't be leading a McDonald's, let alone one of the top 50 countries in the world.



No, it does not mean that.
For there to be a 2nd wave, a 1st wave would have needed to form, and crash. There's absolutely nothing we know that would have randomly stopped a 1st wave.
It's also a nothing story. A military historian wrote a story over a month ago published by the Conservative Review? Where are the facts?

Unfortunately even in hard hit areas like NYC, the antibody results indicate that a 2nd wave could effect far more people than the 1st.
I still think we can have a fairly nice Summer, but if youre not expecting lockdowns, or a larger 2nd wave later this year, you're likely in for a rude awakening.

Yes its bs. Because no one whose supports Trump was listening to fake news like CNN or MSNBC. If you watched the PC or FOX you know Trump was not telling people to drink disinfectants. The only way you would get that idea is if you watched liberal media that mangled his words.

If people 2 days ago werent drinking bleach there not going to start because Trump said scintest and doctors should do some tests. And liberals dont listen to what Trump says and arent going to go drink bleach because Trump said so.

If anything its either BS made up or reporters and other dummies are calling in to create a story.

And keep in mind we are all using way more disinfectants now a days. Some people are crazy enough they wash down their groceries etc.. so mishaps with these chemicals make sense as well as increased interest. But i am sure media is combing through anything lysol or bleach related ready to pounce.
 

ManaByte

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Judges showing that the Constitution doesn't go on vacation with Dem govs say so:

The court said it “acknowledges that the First Amendment guarantee of the Free Exercise of religion is one of the most important ones set forth in the Bill of Rights, and, without question, it grants the Church, in this case, the right to assert certain rights which, say, a barbershop would have no right to assert.”


"Today's judicial ruling is a much-needed reminder that the Constitution is not under a stay-home order and the Bill of Rights cannot be quarantined," he said. "The Constitution protects our liberties especially during times of crisis, when history reveals governments too quick to sacrifice rights of the few to calm fears of the many."
 

Djau

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Virginia says they can't open for TWO YEARS:




It says businesses will open in Phase 1 in what you linked. Just that they won't open ALL of them immediately as that would be dangerous as social distancing/mask wearing/ppe must still be followed. The entire process of Phase 1 will take 2 years not that it will take 2 years to get there.
 
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Djau

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It's going to be fun to go to Virginia when it goes full Mad Max. Will be great for tourism.

In what way will it be like a post apocalyptic scene? from having some buisnesses capable of teleworking from home closed while others reopen to prevent a rabid rebound of Covid, an extremely infectious and dangerous disease?
 

Djau

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It can't be done sooner than that; it would cause any gains against the disease to be lost and the death count higher. Partly its the politics slowing it down as to how it can open up while maintaining safety.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

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Phase 1 requires schools and most businesses to remain closed. If they are doing Phase 1 over two years, the state will cease to exist.
The wording was "some businesses" , not most. Maybe you should read things before you repost them here. Or verify what you're posting, instead of blindly posting the retweets of rando tweeters. It's already been clarified he meant that a vaccine may take two years to develop, not that phase one would last that long.

"Phase One will not last for two years," said the governor's office on Saturday. "We need to keep working together to beat this disease — not spread fear and misinformation."
 

ManaByte

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The wording was "some businesses" , not most. Maybe you should read things before you repost them here. Or verify what you're posting, instead of blindly posting the retweets of rando tweeters. It's already been clarified he meant that a vaccine may take two years to develop, not that phase one would last that long.

"Phase One will not last for two years," said the governor's office on Saturday. "We need to keep working together to beat this disease — not spread fear and misinformation."

So he's walking it back. Just like he tried to walk it back when he got caught in blackface and a klan hood.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

played the long game
So he's walking it back. Just like he tried to walk it back when he got caught in blackface and a klan hood.
The Governor was not the one you quoted in your tweet. Anyway, you posted this 21 minutes ago when the governors office already clarified their position 7 hours ago
I say again, you should try reading and verifying what you re-post.
 

Sejan

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Some Graphs. As always, this is US data only. To save space, I've excluded the total cases and logarithmic graphs this time. They show exactly what you'd expect total cases is very high and the curve is very much flattening (this is particularly visible on a logarithmic graph since it shows the numbers in relation to exponential growth. With that. I've added a new graph today that will hopefully be encouraging in an otherwise discouraging set of numbers.

Daily Percentage Growth

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The growth is still well below its heights, but unfortunately has plateaued at the 4% range. This is a great number compared to a month ago, but this number needs to keep decreasing to get past these problems. This is even more visible in our next two charts.


Real Daily Growth
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As you can see with this chart, we have hit new heights on the real daily growth number. You can see where the plateu has come into the picture. This is an improvement over the growth we've seen, but a real growth in the 30,000 range needs to decrease.



Real Daily Growth Over the Past 14 Days
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Looking at the real growth over the past two weeks shows a slight upward trend. Obviously, this is bad news. While we've had some encouraging numbers recently, this is a stark reminder that we are by no means out of the woods yet.



New Chart: Recovered Compared to Deaths

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When I graphed these numbers today, I felt pretty good. While our numbers are still increasing faster than they are recovering, at least we have this data. Our recovered numbers are far higher than the mortality numbers. Hopefully, that green line continues to increase much faster than the red line.



Overall, I'm still encouraged by our numbers. We have kept the growth rate well under 5% , but today is also a reminder that we aren't finished quite yet. Unfortunately, as some places are getting their outbreaks under control, we've seen other places with unexpected growth. While this is overall expected, its certainly not something that we want to see.
 

desertdroog

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Nobody, just a low-hanging friendly jab at our american allies.

I was thinking of the great depression and the WPA projects that got us back on our feet after such a terrible economy or during WWII when the women who took jobs in manufacturing, learning skills that were once unheard of for women to hold/do. They produced materials, food, medicine, vehicles, and weapons on a scale that was never seen before while the men were dying on the battlefield. All the while, the citizenry were rationing to the bone and sacrificing to help the war effort.

The U.S. can still produce and manufacture a quality product; the laborers who do it can overcome great odds while making history.
 
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Malakhov

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Looks like most of my family and friends start going back to work in a week. Then school most likely resuming in 2 weeks but not mandatory, my kids will be going for sure though.

Let's resume our lives now, about damn time
 
This is a MUST WATCH.
It will clarify your mind! That doctor is superb.

And yes guys, get comfortable because we have to deal with this "new normal" world for a few years..

 

Raven117

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Better stop acting like neanderthals and it can open up sooner.
What are you talking about bro? America locked itself down for about a month and got a handle on the virus. Even NYC (though more work needs to be done there). We have increased PPE and ventilator manufacturing to meet our needs (or can import). We all “leveled up”. With mask wearing, social distance and hand washing.
America did a pretty good job at containing this thing once it because apparent it was a problem.

remember, the deal was never that nobody could get sick. It was to not crash the healthcare system. We have done that. Now it’s balancing risk (Like we do everyday with almost all things).

im starting to think you are a Russian or Chinese bot just stirring up shit.
 

fatty

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Some Graphs. As always, this is US data only. To save space, I've excluded the total cases and logarithmic graphs this time. They show exactly what you'd expect total cases is very high and the curve is very much flattening (this is particularly visible on a logarithmic graph since it shows the numbers in relation to exponential growth. With that. I've added a new graph today that will hopefully be encouraging in an otherwise discouraging set of numbers.

Daily Percentage Growth

HwgaZFB.png

The growth is still well below its heights, but unfortunately has plateaued at the 4% range. This is a great number compared to a month ago, but this number needs to keep decreasing to get past these problems. This is even more visible in our next two charts.


Real Daily Growth
ychPIzT.png


As you can see with this chart, we have hit new heights on the real daily growth number. You can see where the plateu has come into the picture. This is an improvement over the growth we've seen, but a real growth in the 30,000 range needs to decrease.



Real Daily Growth Over the Past 14 Days
ezDZa0p.png


Looking at the real growth over the past two weeks shows a slight upward trend. Obviously, this is bad news. While we've had some encouraging numbers recently, this is a stark reminder that we are by no means out of the woods yet.



New Chart: Recovered Compared to Deaths

WDDE9CZ.png


When I graphed these numbers today, I felt pretty good. While our numbers are still increasing faster than they are recovering, at least we have this data. Our recovered numbers are far higher than the mortality numbers. Hopefully, that green line continues to increase much faster than the red line.



Overall, I'm still encouraged by our numbers. We have kept the growth rate well under 5% , but today is also a reminder that we aren't finished quite yet. Unfortunately, as some places are getting their outbreaks under control, we've seen other places with unexpected growth. While this is overall expected, its certainly not something that we want to see.

Another positive takeaway is that more testing is going to reveal more positive cases, even if the cases don’t show symptoms.

I think these next couple of weeks, with some states opening up on a limited basis, will reveal a lot on how we are doing.

Thanks for the update.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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This is a MUST WATCH.
It will clarify your mind! That doctor is superb.

And yes guys, get comfortable because we have to deal with this "new normal" world for a few years..



Good interview. Strange to see it on Asian Boss!
 

Djau

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What are you talking about bro? America locked itself down for about a month and got a handle on the virus. Even NYC (though more work needs to be done there). We have increased PPE and ventilator manufacturing to meet our needs (or can import). We all “leveled up”. With mask wearing, social distance and hand washing.
America did a pretty good job at containing this thing once it because apparent it was a problem.

remember, the deal was never that nobody could get sick. It was to not crash the healthcare system. We have done that. Now it’s balancing risk (Like we do everyday with almost all things).

im starting to think you are a Russian or Chinese bot just stirring up shit.

Thats the problem exactly; its not a 'deal'. When the Lockdown ends its not a 'go back immediately to how things were before'. Seen the pics of people storming the beaches, no social distancing, with no masks? Once lockdown ends and businesses open up; we still have to use masks, socially distance and wear full PPE till Coronavirus is stamped out. It's way too early to declare a victory until we bring the R0 number down.

Doing otherwise will just cause another spike.
 
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Tesseract

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the hope is we'll run the system with enough paranoia to stave rebound (masks, distancing, so forth)

i'm worried most about mutation and recurrent infection

*edit*

kinda late and tired, apols
 
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Djau

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You say this as if it has no effect on people's lives and is just something that anyone can do without it being a very big deal.

It only has such a big effect cause america never bothered to put in a safety net for situations like this; while other countries are using systems like the furlough system (80% of employee wages paid by government during lockdown, 20% paid by employer)

the hope is we'll run the system with enough paranoia to stave rebound (masks, distancing, so forth)

i'm worried most about mutation and recurrent infection

*edit*

kinda late and tired, apols

Gloves are as essential as masks. I've seen people stopping glove use and thats worrying.
 
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the hope is we'll run the system with enough paranoia to stave rebound (masks, distancing, so forth)

i'm worried most about mutation and recurrent infection

*edit*

kinda late and tired, apols

Maybe I don't understand how vaccines work, but if people aren't able to become naturally immune, I think we might be fucked.

It only has such a big effect cause america never bothered to put in a safety net for situations like this; while other countries are using systems like the furlough system (80% of employee wages paid by government during lockdown, 20% paid by employer)

Yes, great criticism and all that, but my point stands.
 
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holygeesus

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You say this as if it has no effect on people's lives and is just something that anyone can do without it being a very big deal.

Funnily enough I say that as someone in a country having to cope with a similar lockdown. Only we don't go around raging about 'MAH FREEEEDOM!!!111' People are being paid to stay home here, but the USA government will never do similar because it doesn't give a shit about anyone but the very rich.
 
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Funnily enough I say that as someone in a country having to cope with a similar lockdown. Only we don't go around raging about 'MAH FREEEEDOM!!!111' People are being paid to stay home here, but the USA will never do similar because it doesn't give a shit about anyone but the very rich.

You don't go around raging about freedoms because you are being paid to stay home and your livelihood is not at risk.
 

ORI

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Yes its bs. Because no one whose supports Trump was listening to fake news like CNN or MSNBC. If you watched the PC or FOX you know Trump was not telling people to drink disinfectants. The only way you would get that idea is if you watched liberal media that mangled his words.

If people 2 days ago werent drinking bleach there not going to start because Trump said scintest and doctors should do some tests. And liberals dont listen to what Trump says and arent going to go drink bleach because Trump said so.

If anything its either BS made up or reporters and other dummies are calling in to create a story.

And keep in mind we are all using way more disinfectants now a days. Some people are crazy enough they wash down their groceries etc.. so mishaps with these chemicals make sense as well as increased interest. But i am sure media is combing through anything lysol or bleach related ready to pounce.


Those are a lot of words to change the truth. You can't say people are twisting the truth when they are quoting him verbatim, so don't try. He said it. Let him be the idiot, don't defend it.
 

ORI

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If you think any state is going to be able to keep its population locked up for TWO YEARS you have no clue what you're talking about.


Well then maybe it's time people grew half a brain cell and followed the rules so we can be out of this sooner instead of protesting and going to the beach like idiots.
 

ORI

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You say this as if it has no effect on people's lives and is just something that anyone can do without it being a very big deal.


Staying at home without an income is a big deal. Not going to work is a big deal. The economy suffering is a very big deal.


Dying from coronovirus or giving someone else coronavirus .......is the ultimate big deal.

Stay the fuck home.
 
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pLow7

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You say this as if it has no effect on people's lives and is just something that anyone can do without it being a very big deal.

People in Italy are locked down since nearly 60 Days. FULL Lockdown, they were not even allowed to go Out for a Walk. And guess what, No one Protested. No fuckin rallies, no demonstration.

Are Americans some Special Kind?
 
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ORI

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People in Italy are locked down since nearly 60 Days. FULL Lockdown, they were not even allowed to go Out for a Walk. And guess what, No one Protested. No fuckin rallies, no demonstration.

Are Americans some Special Kind?
Exactly. Unfortunately here in America we have an entire breed of human that is entitled and very selfish.
 
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