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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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The Scrivener
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Pure coincidence
Now, combine that with all the other pure coincidences happening in conjunction, and you have pure 100% coincidence juice with no added malevolence, zinc, or other bioweaponry.
It's probably derived from this:
Agenda 21 - Wikipedia
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Or, it could have come from this, "The World Health Organization listed vaccine hesitancy as one of the top ten global health threats of 2019."
Problem, reaction, solution. Or as above, coincidence, coincidence, coincidence. Population control:
New World Order conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
I'll get my coat.
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llien
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Remember that the daily UK hospital death figures are for covid deaths confirmed that day, not necessarily the number of people who died that day. The actual daily figures look a lot better:
I have seen that before. 100 a day ftom 700 is too sharp a drop to not be sceptical.
So what figures should we expect tomorrow?
MasterDerico
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Wtf is that?
MAJOR: Plans to Re-Open - U.S Surgeon General Adams DUMPS GATES 'Predictive Contagion' Model - Fort Russ
WASHINGTON DC – Apr 13, 2020 – In a stunning turn of events, Surgeon General Jerome Adams explained in an interview on live XM radio, that the Coronavirus Task Force has, effectively, dumped the Bill Gates/CDC/WHO predictive contagion model, and is now working with the real data. He explained on...
www.fort-russ.com
12Goblins
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diffusionx
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Are you over 70? Are you obese? Do you have some pre-existing condition? If the answer is no, then no, your health certainly is not at risk.
In fact, there is a 30%-50% chance you could catch COVID-19 and not even notice.
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Raven117
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You see, it was a "deal." Early on, the focus was on the healthcare system. NOT people actually getting sick. And again, no one is saying just flip a switch and everything is open. You know this. We have talked about it and it's all over the news.
Yes, things begin to slowly open, there will be people that get sick. That's a risk. A risk we all balance everyday with tons of things in everyday life.
we need to continue to ramp up testing. Continue to utilize social distance, ppe, more protections for elderly, etc, and keep a close eye on the infection/hospitalization rate to make sure everything remains in acceptance parameters and the healthcare system can handle it.
you can't stomp out all risk in the world especially at the expense of the livelyhoods or millions of Americans and people of the world.
keep on clutching your pearls comrade, because America is going to begin opening. The people have had enough in states where it was never truly a threat.
cryptoadam
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Im not going to blast the reactions we had in the past based on fear. But we have more data now.
Lets make decisions based on the new data we are getting. Did model makers take into account that 2.7 million New Yorkers may actually already be infected?
Lets make decisions based on the new data we are getting. Did model makers take into account that 2.7 million New Yorkers may actually already be infected?
Maestr0
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Wtf is that?
MAJOR: Plans to Re-Open - U.S Surgeon General Adams DUMPS GATES 'Predictive Contagion' Model - Fort Russ
WASHINGTON DC – Apr 13, 2020 – In a stunning turn of events, Surgeon General Jerome Adams explained in an interview on live XM radio, that the Coronavirus Task Force has, effectively, dumped the Bill Gates/CDC/WHO predictive contagion model, and is now working with the real data. He explained on...www.fort-russ.com
Ready for the second wave America ?
Because predictive models are better than actual data. Feelings are more important than facts.
Maestr0
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They are better when you know the people around you won't even try to even make a single effort to fight against the problem. Predictive also takes account for people who doesn't follow simple rules. You can't mix both numbers on to prove the predictive is wrong, but on what people will do.
Raven117
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Yup. Perfectly understandable why we did things the way we did early on. Now, we have data. We know that some areas of the country are in much better shape than others
Raven117
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Yup. But can the healthcare care system handle it and have we protected the elderly? If so.... well.... it spikes
holygeesus
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Tell that to all the health workers who have died you idiot.
cryptoadam
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Dr Tam repeating what the WHO said what a shocker.
diffusionx
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Are you denying that virtually everyone who died of this answers yes to at least one or these questions? There are old, sick, and obese health workers you know.
I'm sure there is some Facebook meme post for the feels though.
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Moogle11
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And even areas within states. We have the three phase guidelines from the feds and it should be county and city leaders making the decisons on when to begin phase one and beyond.
Things like Georgia's governor did with reopening statewide AND banning local leaders from keeping things shut if they're still a hot spot makes no sense. Some counties in the state have barely any cases and can start reopening. Others are still hot spots and should not. He should have just lifted his statewide lock down and left it up to local leaders on when and how to proceed with the federal reopening guidelines.
It makes no sense to open barbershops etc (things that are in phase two of the federal guidelines) in places that are still hot spots. It also makes no sense to keep counties that never had major outbreaks closed. It's not rocket science. He just clearly cares more about maximizing state tax revenue than anything else.
Raven117
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Totally agree. Georgia is an example of how not to do it.
Insane Metal
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SARS-Cov-2 RNA Found on Particulate Matter of Bergamo in Northern Italy: First Preliminary Evidence
In previous communications, we have hypothesized the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 virus could be present on particulate matter (PM) during the spreading of the infection, consistently with evidence already available for other viruses. Here, we present the first results of the analyses that we...
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COVID found in the air in northern Italy.
I'm starting to think this situation will go on a lot longer than we expected, unfortunately.
This asshat is the one responsible for the completely wrong models. He also was wrong with H1N1.
Chittagong
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413 new deaths recorded today in UK, 20 with no underlying health conditions. Similar to last Sunday figures so the very gradual downwards trend is happening
The Scrivener
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Day 1 for San Diego residents. Patch in the vaccine later. Release date for EU is sometime late summer. I'm hyped! God the graphics look so good outside!
cryptoadam
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Must of been all the social distancing we did during the bird flu.
I remember the lock down of 2005.
Djau
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I'm often reminded how dense the average member of the public is.
Well, there's a reason the average joe doesn't get to make these decisions...he isn't educated in it and often never listens to advice despite when its in his/her best interest.
There's definitely something 'off' about the place that seems to breed this more there.
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As a doctor, I get it a whole lot more than you do.
Again, nothing is worse than death. The most basic need we have is to be alive. Everything else is secondary.
I know it's difficult to follow rules but when other people's lives are at stake, you had better get with the program.
darkestdame
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The pattern has been so consistent I can't believe it even has to be mentioned.
It's funny how these ivory tower people screeching at people to stay home can't figure out how people will stay home if they don't have a home to stay in due to not being able to pay their rent/mortgage.
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Ultimate privilege right there, man. I'm working from home, too, and my income hasn't changed at all, but I try to have some empathy for people whose circumstances are very different from my own.
Stay the fuck home until when? Without that question being answered clearly, people are going to get antsy as they see their businesses and livelihoods crumble before their eyes against a disease that doesn't appear all that deadly.
Uhh... I definitely saw some reports of social unrest (altercations, looting) from the south of Italy, but I haven't been following the situation that closely. I think Italy is a very different country than the US in the first place, but they also probably had a better social safety net set up, so people didn't fall through the cracks as they so easily can in the US.
And, yeah, I think in general, we value freedom and not being told what to do more than people in most other countries.
There is some degree is disease spread with all social interactions and there always has been. The risk will never be zero even without Coronavirus. I think a lot of people would prefer to not be alive, actually, if it means being rationed gruel in an underground bunker with no end in sight, for example.
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Djau
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You kinda voted that in by choosing to vote against a safety net during times of crisis/pandemic so the population has only themselves to blame.
We're about to hit 200,000 dead worldwide in space of a month of two thats absolutely insane to try and claim that this isn't a serious illness.
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darkestdame
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The deaths are astronomical with a lockdown so open it up
What is it with all of these Neo Members popping up in this thread to push some communist utopia?
Chaplain
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My point in sharing the video was not to discuss his models (the majority of the models have been wrong), but to share what a historian says about the economic consequences that all of us will be facing.
Sidenote: "Dr. Michael Osterholm, the Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, reacts to the president's remarks on coronavirus and says that 60 to 70 percent of the U.S. population is infected. Aired on 04/23/2020."
Edit: Added link.
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Djau
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Doesn't look like Europe has to worry about choosing to pay bills/groceries or get exposed to a disease.
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Yeah, people don't tend to react well to, "your fault, get fucked."
Yes, and each year's flu season sees hundreds of thousands of deaths in the span of a few months and yet no one fucking bats an eye or ever really talks about it.
Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project - PMC
Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
By your logic we should be locking down every year during the cold months.
DeepEnigma
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Don't worry, some of those people will just turn their attention towards the ivory towers and move right in taking what they need in the process.
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Then why the fuck are Italy and Spain now talking about reopening business and easing restrictions in May if its so easy? Their deaths per 1M population are some of the highest in the world.
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Tesseract
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everything is easy in life when big daddy america takes all the hits
Djau
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Yeah, people don't tend to react well to, "your fault, get fucked."
Yes, and each year's flu season sees hundreds of thousands of deaths in the span of a few months and yet no one fucking bats an eye or ever really talks about it.
Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project - PMC
Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 ...
By your logic we should be locking down every year during the cold months.
People who say this don't realize the flu has been around for much longer. This disease has just appeared and has racked up similar death total in space of a couple of months to what flu normally does yearly. This is why its dangerous if left to run unchecked.
They're talking, all countries are talking, cause it will have to open eventually but wait till see if they actually do.
When has it ever?
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darkestdame
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389,000 Globally - 1 Year Flu
203,622 Globally - 3 Months COVID-19
US 61,000 High bar Yearly
US 54,000 in Two months
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Again, to be alive is to live to figure out what to do about your mortgage.
No one is saying this isn't a terrible situation. Dreams are being shattered, savings are being lost, and really the true repercussions of all this will last for months.
Death is a permanent solution to all of those problems.
I would have no problem with this if the virus wasn't super contagious. I'd say, go back to work and risk your life and do what you like. Unfortunately we are all depending on each other to keep this thing at bay. And therefore if it's your mortgage payments vs thousands of lives then you can that mortgage payment and shove it up Trump's ass.
The real sadness here is that some countries who are alot less well off than us have programs that are paying their citizens up to 80% of their income so they can stay afloat. Instead of all the BS protesting we do in this country maybe we should have protested better health Care, a more supportive government.
I mean seriously what does 1200 even do in 2020??? I took the 2400 "Trump bux" I got for my wife and I and donated it to the local soup kitchen to keep then running another 3 weeks.
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It's going to be really interesting to see where the all-cause mortality numbers end up and what the breakdown of causes is when this grand experiment is finally over.
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