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[Rentahamster]

I think that's what most people were hoping for with this remake

I'm not sure about most. Or hoped. I think the general feeling was anticipation based on lack of information and what could be. In all the past threads about the remake battle system from years back, I sensed that the opinion was split pretty evenly, but that might be selective memory.

 

[wzy]

The debate was less about the merits of turn-based vs. real-time and more just a lot of people outright lying about the original battle system and protecting pre-release hype at all costs.

 

[Windle Poons]

WHO DID THIS. I want to play as Cloud like that.

Seen people that use save wizard mention you can change the outfits.

 

[Dacon]

I think that's what most people were hoping for with this remake

See I was actually excited for the combat system. I didn't hate the original, but I thought the new one looked like a good bit of fun.

I loved the new combat and that they added new things to the game, I just didn't want them to fuck the narrative up.

 

[PanzerAzel]

I wish they had kept turn-based personally. There's a lot they could've evolved upon from the old system; people act like it was only turn-based due to the technological constraints of the time but there's a lot of merit to such a style of combat. Not enough modern games utilize it IMO. It'd be interesting to see how current tech could benefit it.

 

[Rentahamster]

I wish they had kept turn-based personally. There's a lot they could've evolved upon from the old system; people act like it was only turn-based due to the technological constraints of the time but there's a lot of merit to such a style of combat. Not enough modern games utilize it IMO. It'd be interesting to see how current tech could benefit it.

Did you like the new Dragon Quests, or Octopath Traveler?

 

[D.Final]

What I found really strange is literally all the ending.
Even if it is really cool and amazing to see, I actually feel like it is almost just random, in the end.
(and I found the final battle, basically, an epic experiment for the future last battle vs Sephiroth like in the original)

 

[Rentahamster]

I actually feel like it is almost just random, in the end.

It might seem that way, but there's a plan. There's a lot of subtext to be had on a second playthrough.

 

[Dacon]

What I found really strange is literally all the ending.
Even if it is really cool and amazing to see, I actually feel like it is almost just random, in the end.
(and I found the final battle, basically, an epic experiment for the future last battle vs Sephiroth like in the original)

It's ok man, you're not alone. The entire whisper subplot feels random and out of place, the ending is just the ridiculous culmination of everything that came before.

 

[PanzerAzel]

Did you like the new Dragon Quests, or Octopath Traveler?

Yup. Especially Octo.

 

[Rentahamster]

Yup. Especially Octo.

But you want something like that with more graphics fidelity, right?

 

[PanzerAzel]

But you want something like that with more graphics fidelity, right?

Not necessarily. I tend to prefer turn-based systems, but it's contextually contingent. Would I have preferred it in FFVIIR? Yes.

 

[Rentahamster]

Not necessarily.

Oh. I assumed that when you said current tech could benefit from turn based, you meant modern graphics. In what ways do you think current tech could benefit?

 

[Kumomeme]

i dont know if someone already posted this but that 3 rubrum actually not represented cloud, tifa and barret



the 3 rubrum is fight protecting their future (advent children)?
and from FFVIIR Ultimania interview kitase said that they didnt planned to change story much from original..player can expect the story will goes same way

 

[Rentahamster]

i dont know if someone already posted this but that 3 rubrum actually not represented cloud, tifa and barret



the 3 rubrum is fight protecting their future (advent children)?
and from FFVIIR Ultimania interview kitase said that they didnt planned to change story much from original..player can expect the story will goes same way

Interesting. With that in mind, that's probably a more likely allusion.

 

[Dacon]

i dont know if someone already posted this but that 3 rubrum actually not represented cloud, tifa and barret



the 3 rubrum is fight protecting their future (advent children)?
and from FFVIIR Ultimania interview kitase said that they didnt planned to change story much from original..player can expect the story will goes same way

We had previously discussed the possibility of them being yazoo, loz and kadaj yeah.

Nice to have confirmation I guess. I hope youre right about the story staying the same.

 

[Rentahamster]

Good story discussion in this podcast:



It mirrors the conversations I've been having with my friends as well. We're all very impressed at what the game accomplished, loved what was the same, loved what was fleshed out, loved what was different, and are optimistic about the future.

 

[Digity.exe]

If Square can actually pull some of this stuff off, I think we are in for a real treat.

Spoiler

Massive fan of the original.

 

[Kumomeme]

so if these 3 rubrum are kadaj, yazoo and loz from advent children, then it mean the future that they protecting and the one we player defeat is the future of advent children exist

my wild guess is the ending fight against destiny is doesnt actually mean that the game break free from original storyline, but probably break free from those spin off content in Complication of Final Fantasy VII?
there new future where there advent children didnt happened...some of glimpse to future that cloud and red 13 saw also from the movie...

what if the ending is the sign that square enix rebooted whole complication?

 

[Rentahamster]

If Square can actually pull some of this stuff off, I think we are in for a real treat.

Given that they nailed this game, I have confidence that the next games will be good. Maybe it's not a turnaround for Squeenix as an entire company, but at least the team that is working on this project is doing a bang up job.

Spoiler

Massive fan of the original.

Spoiler

Me 2

 

[Kumomeme]

the translation of kitase word about the storyline from FFVIIR Ultimania

 

[Rentahamster]

so if these 3 rubrum are kadaj, yazoo and loz from advent children, then it mean the future that they protecting and the one we player defeat is the future of advent children exist

That passage doesn't necessarily say that those 3 are actually Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz, but it doesn't necessarily say they aren't either. It just says they share the same fighting styles and that one of their abilities has the same name as Yazoo's gun.

 

[Pallas]

Hell house was one hell of a fight. Wasn't that a random encounter on the original FFVII in one of the slums?

 

[Digity.exe]

Hell house was one hell of a fight. Wasn't that a random encounter on the original FFVII in one of the slums?

Yep, repurposed as a boss fight and done quite well. Was presently surprised to see that.

 

[Rentahamster]

the translation of kitase word about the storyline from FFVIIR Ultimania

Interesting quote. It falls in line with what I expect out of the series. The devs can't have their cake and eat it too if they completely change the story.

Given how FF7R ends, they're on the exact same path as they were in the OG, with the exact same questions, knowns, and unknowns they had in the OG too. There's that extra little new stuff that throws in a wild card (or 7), but it'll still carry on in the way this game did - mostly the same story beats, fleshed out characters, more in depth backstory and character development, as well as a smattering of new shit to keep up guessing.

I can't wait.

 

[pLow7]

Does anyone know this Track or has some better Quality?? From 3 Mins in this is just Perfection. Fuck the feels.

 

[Kumomeme]

this probably explain that how can be Rhodea hang out at Jules's gym

 

[Dacon]

the translation of kitase word about the storyline from FFVIIR Ultimania

This is the quote from Nomura that casts doubt on the whole thing for me: Nomura (FFVIIR Ultimania): "I can't let you know the true meaning of "Remake" yet. Talk to me in a few years (laughs)."

 

[Kumomeme]

This is the quote from Nomura that casts doubt on the whole thing for me: Nomura (FFVIIR Ultimania): "I can't let you know the true meaning of "Remake" yet. Talk to me in a few years (laughs)."

yep..i read those too....we need to wait for more translation ...its 750+ pages book after all

 

[Rentahamster]

One thing I see that many people mention is how "Kingdom Hearts" it would be to add crazy shit like time travel to the game.

Perhaps.

But if we're looking for a precedent, that's not it. Did we all forget Final Fantasy 8's story so quickly?

 

[Javthusiast]

Hnng

 

[Shouta]

I really should get the Ultimania so I can see this text myself, lol

 

[Rentahamster]

I really should get the Ultimania so I can see this text myself, lol

I'm looking for pics, but the ones I've seen have blurry text so I can't read them.

 

[Rentahamster]

(Apologies if this sounds condescending, but I"m not sure how else to word it)

I saw a comment about "experts" of the OG being surprised about the black hooded figures being conduits for Sephiroth. That was a pretty big plot point from the original game.

 

[Shouta]

(Apologies if this sounds condescending, but I"m not sure how else to word it)

I saw a comment about "experts" of the OG being surprised about the black hooded figures being conduits for Sephiroth. That was a pretty big plot point from the original game.

They probably shouldn't be calling themselves experts then lol

 

[Rentahamster]

They probably shouldn't be calling themselves experts then lol

heh

I think with the huge increase in graphics and visual fidelity between the OG and the remake, lots of fantastical elements of the OG are missed or subconsciously underrated, whereas in the remake they're much more obvious and can seem too crazy at times. I have one IRL friend who was annoyed that Sephiroth can teleport and shit, thinking that each time the game shows Sephiroth that that's actually Sephiroth, despite all the other visual and narrative cues that suggest it's not. Not to mention that all of this is in line with the original game (aside from the new stuff at the end, obviously).

It was amusing having to explain to him the difference between what's actually in the game and what's his headcannon from when he was a teenager.

 

[Shouta]

heh

I think with the huge increase in graphics and visual fidelity between the OG and the remake, lots of fantastical elements of the OG are missed or subconsciously underrated, whereas in the remake they're much more obvious and can seem too crazy at times. I have one IRL friend who was annoyed that Sephiroth can teleport and shit, thinking that each time the game shows Sephiroth that that's actually Sephiroth, despite all the other visual and narrative cues that suggest it's not. Not to mention that all of this is in line with the original game (aside from the new stuff at the end, obviously).

It was amusing having to explain to him the difference between what's actually in the game and what's his headcannon from when he was a teenager.

It's probably time for them to play the original! I've been meaning to but I've been mad lazy the last few days since I need to decide how I want to start it up, on my Vita or maybe do it on my PC. It might be time since the Ultimania news is coming out.

 

[DryPancakes]

But if we're looking for a precedent, that's not it. Did we all forget Final Fantasy 8's story so quickly?

Each game in the series is its own universe with its own rules, the first final fantasy was about time travel too, eve more overtly, that doessn't mean it fits FF7.

 

[Rentahamster]

Each game in the series is its own universe with its own rules, the first final fantasy was about time travel too, eve more overtly, that doessn't mean it fits FF7.

It's relevant if the discussion is "This is what 'Final Fantasy should be" VS "This is Kingdom Hearts BS"

That topic of conversation encompasses the entire series, not just individual games.

 

[PanzerAzel]

Oh. I assumed that when you said current tech could benefit from turn based, you meant modern graphics. In what ways do you think current tech could benefit?

No, I said how current tech could benefit it (turn based), not benefit from it.

Sure, graphically. It'd be nice to be able to sit back and watch such fidelity play out in detail at consistent pace instead of being so preoccupied with hammering in commands, defending, and evading that such appreciation goes by the wayside in consideration of what needs to be done moment to moment. Part of my main problem with this new battle system is it doesn't afford me much time to really sit back and enjoy the show because I have to be so actively involved in it at any given moment. It's largely turned FFVII from a strategy game into a fighting game. There is much that could be accomplished in setting, tone, escalation, and the pacing of battles that cannot be controlled when you place all the agency in the player's hands as this new battle system does. The more formidable enemies could be made truly epic in their presentations and escalations if the developers had kept it turn-based, and hence kept the dramatic ebb and flow of a battle in their hands as opposed to the player's.

Better tech could also afford the ability to get rid of the need to delineate between exploration and encounter, as the OG did. It could use the approach of Parasite Eve or Vagrant Story, yet still adhering to the old style FFVII line up. There are a ton of things that could be done. Positioning, environmental and elemental considerations, destructible environments, etc.

 

[Dark Oni]

See I was actually excited for the combat system. I didn't hate the original, but I thought the new one looked like a good bit of fun.

I loved the new combat and that they added new things to the game, I just didn't want them to fuck the narrative up.

yea i agree combat could be updated no problem and yea the story shouldn't be messed with unless you're just expanding the original and doing it properly. if you have no idea how and what to do don't touch it otherwise it becomes like the mess it is now.

 

[Paulxo87]

REDX13 not being playable was a cop out. I know it would have been limited exposure with him but there were definitely enough engagements with him to make it worthwhile. it was a total cop out and just them baiting you into obsessing over the next game.

 

[Lethal01]

this probably explain that how can be Rhodea hang out at Jules's gym

I mean, a guy working out doesn't really need an explanation
Especially one that values appearance.

 

[JORMBO]

 

[pLow7]

His opinion is Shit

 

[Dacon]

He has some points here and there, but the retarded way he talks is absolutely annoying, and some of his points are downright stupid.

Dude is a clown.

 

[Rentahamster]

His opinion is Shit

His videos are supposed to be jokes lol. Don't take it so seriously.

 

[bargeparty]

His videos are supposed to be jokes lol. Don't take it so seriously.

His dunkviews are legit.

 

[Rentahamster]

Interesting

 

[Geki-D]

Interesting

Having no idea who this Zack character is, I kind of just assumed that that was how Cloud got back into Midgar in the first place. This Zack guy carried him there after they both rebelled against Shinra and stopped being SOLDIERS. Seems pretty clear it's a past event, taking place before FFVII's main story.