Naughty Dog/Sony copy striking negative critiques of TLOU2 leaked videos (No spoilers)

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Content creators are have their videos taken by Sony/Naughty Dog/Entity on their behalf down due to false copy-right claims, otherwise known as copy-striking. Just so people understand the gravity of using such a tool, if a creator gets a few of these, they lose their channel for good.

EDIT: Some people seem confused on what's going on here. The videos being copyright falsely claimed do not have copyrightable material in them (thus a "copy strike", a term created by content creators to label the process). Soley voicing a negative opinion (on anything) is not copyrightable in the United States.

Going a step further, even if they HAD played the leaked footage, if they did so in a transformative way and limited the amount of footage used, it'd be fair use, thus not copyrightable.
 
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^ Video is spolier free.

Content creators are have their videos taken by Sony/Naughty Dog/Entity on their behalf down due to false copy-right claims, otherwise known as copy-striking. Just so people understand the gravity of using such a tool, if a creator gets a few of these, they lose their channel for good.

There's been a few of those copy-strike articles going on.

Is Sony/ND cracking down on these for talking about the leaked stories/videos? Talking about opinions on why all this shit is happening lately? Youtubers talking about random LoU2 info that has nothing to do with the other 2 points?
 
Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.
 
Supposedly even if a video has no footage or screens of the leaks whatsoever, but just discuss them with words, Sony is strong-arming them like a female bodybuilder.
 
Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.
Really?

So anyone who does opinionated videos or streams about a movie that hasn't come out yet, but they got enough info from trailers and wikipedia pages to form a starting opinion get banned by movie studios complaining to YT?
 
Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.

The fuck, there's nothing illegal about what anyone of these people is doing. Sony is just fucking them over in damage control because of YouTube's even more broken ass copyright strike tool.
 
I mean... it could be automated strikes?

They upload their IP to Google's servers and their system finds videos using it.
 
The fuck, there's nothing illegal about what anyone of these people is doing. Sony is just fucking them over in damage control because of YouTube's even more broken ass copyright strike tool.
IGN did did a YT upload today about Sony catching the leaker.

Let's see if Sony/ND have the balls to get YT after them.
 
I don't feel strongly enough about this to really make a long argument about it, but the videos in this situation are discussing illegally obtained material in a way that could spoil its usefulness.
 
The game isn't released yet or even out for reviewers. Naughty Dog is doing what anyone should.

If this was post release and they were trying to take down negative reviews from people who actually played the game, not just saw out of context spoilers, it would be a different story.
 
You can tell the true quality of videogame writing from the fact whenever we get spoilers the defense sounds like
"You should allow the developers to scam people, take their money, have the media defend that lame ass story and after they spun the narrative positively you maybe are allowed to complain about it"
 
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Copyright claims on YouTube are a slippery slope. As long as the YouTuber is talking about Naughty Dog or Sony, a number of these options apply. Even more so if they're using images. Normally, most companies don't care because YouTube videos are seen as a form of free advertisement. In this instance, that is not the case.

I'm not a fan of this, but the copy strike problem stems from YouTube's policies. Policies that these YouTubers signed off on.
 
Looks like I will probably have to burn my router down in order to preserve what's left from my initial hype after all this mess. :lollipop_pensive:
 
The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.
 
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Sorry for the size of the image!

Copyright claims on YouTube are a slippery slope. As long as the YouTuber is talking about Naughty Dog or Sony, a number of these options apply. Even more so if they're using images. Normally, most companies don't care because YouTube videos are seen as a form of free advertisement. In this instance, that is not the case.

I'm not a fan of this, but the copy strike problem stems from YouTube's policies. Policies that these YouTubers signed off on.
Wait a second that's insane. You can't even mention a company's name on YouTube? And the fact that they have an "other" option is complete bullshit.
 
The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.

Show me where youtubers signed this NDA.
If I hear you talking about the next Zelda game in a meeting as I was passing nearby and spoil it to the entire world, you can't do a damn thing to me unless you prove I was actually spying on you with the purpose of leaking informations.
Sony are being dicks because nobody likes the plot, period.
 
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The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.

First of all these YouTubers are NOT under an NDA, therefore are NOT required to adhere to an NDA,

Second, regarding your previous posts:
What are you going on about? People are free to give their opinion before, during and after a product is released. No person or company has the legal right to block someones opinion.

What a person or company has the legal right to do is:
1. Block someone from using their copyrighted material beyond "fair use" if done without the creator's permission.
2, Take legal action against libel and/or defamation which is making FALSE statements against a person.

Stating an opinion about a product does not meet either of those criteria. An opinion is neither true or false it is one person's opinion. An opinion is also not unauthorized use of copyrighted material.

Please stop making ridiculous allegations.
 
I'd understand if they go after people actually showing the leaked footage, but going after people just talking about it is shitty as hell.

Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.

Isn't defamation based on false or unproven information?
 
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The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.
You realize that none of the people talking on you tube signed that NDA right?
 
I'd understand if they go after people actually showing the leaked footage, but going after people just talking about it is shitty as hell.



Isn't defamation based on false or unproven information?

Yes
 
Sony stock collapsed today. Any chance the leak had something to do with it?
Sony's stock didn't collapse. It's down 2.5% from yesterday and up nearly 20% from its mid-March low when the whole market dipped. Are you intentionally trolling or just misinformed?
 
So what are we supposed to say? Hey straight people we built this game industry from the ground up many many moons ago? Let's show these woke people who's boss around here? Wth is going anymore ?
 
Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.

No one is reviewing a product, as you said it isn't released and none of these people have a copy. People ARE voicing an opinion on new articles. The companies in question are abusing a copyright system for censorship/PR damage control purposes (which is illegal).
 
Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isnt officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.

If indeed they agreed to the woke shit and put that SJW- soybeard in power, they deserve every bit of negative review they get.
 
I this point I feel bad for the employees who worked on this .. I guess I will buy it to support the developers one last time for naughty dog ehh?
 
So lets flip the script for a moment. You run a business and create a ip or product that will release soon but someone inexplicably leaks your product which in turn releases factual information for everyone to see. The leaker signed a nda waiver but still choose to leak your product. I come across your leaked product and review the credibility of said leak and determine it real - then choose to go to my own very popular youtube channel which has 2million subscribers and begin to interject my opinion based off the facts of the leak. I never signed your NDA. but i know this product isnt released yet and wont yet until a few weeks still. My discussion of your product is less than favorable and im certainly entitled to my opinion. What will you do when you come across my channel? Will you let me rock? And potentially influence my viewer base prematurely, based off my opinion on your unreleased product?

I mean come on this isnt rocket science some of these channels are using the current situation as clickbait for views, thats fine but wait until its a free for all. I dont think naughty dog would take any issue of people forming their own opinions and discussing there game that is open for review once released. these are fairly decent sized channels discussing something that very simply wasnt open for discussion yet based off of leaked facts. So YES i think ND is within their right to request the content in question be removed that could potentially effect public opinion of their game, until the appropiate time. Doesnt matter if the person signed a NDA or not Naughty Dog are too excersing their rights to protect their product. It doesnt matter that the youtuber never uploaded video or still images, they are still discussing talking points based off of facts that were not ready to be disclosed yet and that got leaked. To say this is just Naughty Dog or sony trying to silence people is just silly, If you put any company in this situation i can assure you there response would more than likely be to remove the content in question. Its the principal and circumstance. Obviously you cant remove all topic of disscussion from everywhere on the internet but on bigger platforms i would expect nothing less. If this type of behavior is allowed permissable going foward then one could imagine the ramifications of people with a platform talking about things prematurely, and under their own 'narrative' at that. The leaker is still in the wrong. But whats right is right, wait until the proper time to interject your opinion on a channel or channels you obviously earn monetary gain or clout from.
 
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Well I should do the same and I'm glad ND/Sony is doing it.

Less talk about leaked better... after the release they can talk about what they want.
 
So lets flip the script for a moment. You run a business and create a ip or product that will release soon but someone inexplicably leaks your product which in turn releases factual information for everyone to see. The leaker signed a nda waiver but still choose to leak your product. I come across your leaked product and review the credibility of said leak and determine it real - then choose to go to my own very popular youtube channel which has 2million subscribers and begin to interject my opinion based off the facts of the leak. I never signed your NDA. but i know this product isnt released yet and wont yet until a few weeks still. My discussion of your product is less than favorable and im certainly entitled to my opinion. What will you do when you come across my channel? Will you let me rock? And potentially influence my viewer base prematurely, based off my opinion on your unreleased product?

I mean come on this isnt rocket science some of these channels are using the current situation as clickbait for views, thats fine but wait until its a free for all. I dont think naughty dog would take any issue of people forming their own opinions and discussing there game that is open for review once released. these are fairly decent sized channels discussing something that very simply wasnt open for discussion yet based off of leaked facts. So YES i think ND is within their right to request the content in question be removed that could potentially effect public opinion of their game, until the appropiate time. Doesnt matter if the person signed a NDA or not Naughty Dog are too excersing their rights to protect their product. It doesnt matter that the youtuber never uploaded video or still images, they are still discussing talking points based off of facts that were not ready to be disclosed yet and that got leaked. To say this is just Naughty Dog or sony trying to silence people is just silly, If you put any company in this situation i can assure you there response would more than likely be to remove the content in question. Its the principal and circumstance. Obviously you cant remove all topic of disscussion from everywhere on the internet but on bigger platforms i would expect nothing less. If this type of behavior is allowed permissable going foward then one could imagine the ramifications of people with a platform talking about things prematurely, and under their own 'narrative' at that. The leaker is still in the wrong. But whats right is right, wait until the proper time to interject your opinion on a channel or channels you obviously earn monetary gain or clout from.

You are articulate and using logic and thoughtful reasoning...

this thread:

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WHO is pushing an agenda? the only people pushing an agenda here are the people crying about ND trying to push one. AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM with gaming. This is why you dont have more diversified scenarios or lead characters in games because developers are too scared to realize there vision for fallout of potential backlash of the story they choose to create.

When will it ever be a good time to go out on a limb and share a different story with this mindset? These are characters based off of people and lifestyles in the world we live in today. I may not agree with it or even favor the direction but I think its highly unfair to accuse someone of trying to push a sjw narrative when perhaps maybe they are just trying to diversify from the same manuscript that has been used for lead characters over the past 20 years.
 
The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.

I think you don't know what NDA means.


So lets flip the script for a moment. You run a business and create a ip or product that will release soon but someone inexplicably leaks your product which in turn releases factual information for everyone to see. The leaker signed a nda waiver but still choose to leak your product. I come across your leaked product and review the credibility of said leak and determine it real - then choose to go to my own very popular youtube channel which has 2million subscribers and begin to interject my opinion based off the facts of the leak. I never signed your NDA. but i know this product isnt released yet and wont yet until a few weeks still. My discussion of your product is less than favorable and im certainly entitled to my opinion. What will you do when you come across my channel? Will you let me rock? And potentially influence my viewer base prematurely, based off my opinion on your unreleased product?

I mean come on this isnt rocket science some of these channels are using the current situation as clickbait for views, thats fine but wait until its a free for all. I dont think naughty dog would take any issue of people forming their own opinions and discussing there game that is open for review once released. these are fairly decent sized channels discussing something that very simply wasnt open for discussion yet based off of leaked facts. So YES i think ND is within their right to request the content in question be removed that could potentially effect public opinion of their game, until the appropiate time. Doesnt matter if the person signed a NDA or not Naughty Dog are too excersing their rights to protect their product. It doesnt matter that the youtuber never uploaded video or still images, they are still discussing talking points based off of facts that were not ready to be disclosed yet and that got leaked. To say this is just Naughty Dog or sony trying to silence people is just silly, If you put any company in this situation i can assure you there response would more than likely be to remove the content in question. Its the principal and circumstance. Obviously you cant remove all topic of disscussion from everywhere on the internet but on bigger platforms i would expect nothing less. If this type of behavior is allowed permissable going foward then one could imagine the ramifications of people with a platform talking about things prematurely, and under their own 'narrative' at that. The leaker is still in the wrong. But whats right is right, wait until the proper time to interject your opinion on a channel or channels you obviously earn monetary gain or clout from.

Ahh.... and if those reviewers are glorifying last of us part II and saying how great it is... then what? It's allowed to stay online?

ND doesn't have any right to censor content. They have the right to go against the leakers that have signed an NDA. But everything else? Is just bullshit censorship and must be stopped. They don't have the right to control the opinion. They are not allowed to CENSOR AN OPINION. WTF
 
So lets flip the script for a moment. You run a business and create a ip or product that will release soon but someone inexplicably leaks your product which in turn releases factual information for everyone to see. The leaker signed a nda waiver but still choose to leak your product.

You take it upon the person who leaked it.

I come across your leaked product and review the credibility of said leak and determine it real

Because it's real

- then choose to go to my own very popular youtube channel which has 2million subscribers and begin to interject my opinion based off the facts of the leak. I never signed your NDA. but i know this product isnt released yet and wont yet until a few weeks still. My discussion of your product is less than favorable and im certainly entitled to my opinion. What will you do when you come across my channel? Will you let me rock? And potentially influence my viewer base prematurely, based off my opinion on your unreleased product?

The full product won't undo the stupidity of the writing just like it never undid the stupidity of any other situation like this. Never.
You just want to use the blatantly biased reviews and sales of people unaware of the terrible plot to force the narrative that it's a good story. This happens all the time. A minority is still in denial it was TLJ that crippled SW.
See the comment right above mine. ND isn't pushing a narrative, yeah, because they would've had the media push it for them, except now they got blindsided and they can't use reviews to spin that stuff positively.
Hence they get Schreier to defend ND while they cockblock leaks on youtube.

I mean come on this isnt rocket science some of these channels are using the current situation as clickbait for views

Yeah, so? Media is controversy. Or do you mean only the "gaming" "journalists" can use clickbait?

, thats fine but wait until its a free for all. I dont think naughty dog would take any issue of people forming their own opinions and discussing there game that is open for review once released. these are fairly decent sized channels discussing something that very simply wasnt open for discussion yet based off of leaked facts.

Of course, because they got media doing the shilling. Again, it happens all the time, every time someone pulls a TLJ they always defend it.

So YES i think ND is within their right to request the content in question be removed that could potentially effect public opinion of their game, until the appropiate time.

Until the reviews told you what to think?

Doesnt matter if the person signed a NDA or not Naughty Dog are too excersing their rights to protect their product.

How about write a story that doesn't suck?

It doesnt matter that the youtuber never uploaded video or still images, they are still discussing talking points based off facts that were not ready to be disclosed yet and that got leaked.

Which is not illegal. Basically the only thing missing is the ending spoilers, which don't undo what we do know.

To say this is just Naughty Dog or sony trying to silence people is just silly, If you put any company in this situation i can assure you there response would more than likely be to remove the content in question

This is true, every time they f* up the plot and people learn about it, it's the same reaction from the producers.
GOT8 story was leaked and people thought it was so terrible it couldn't possibly be real, until it was.

If this type of behavior is allowed permissable going foward then one could imagine the ramifications of people with a platform talking about things prematurely, and under their own 'narrative' at that. The leaker is still in the wrong. But whats right is right, wait until the proper time to interject your opinion on a channel or channels you obviously earn monetary gain or clout from.

tl;dr "wait until they got people's money thus enabling them to write more of this * then complain to no avail".

And people say the "don't ask questions, just consume product" is not real.
 
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So lets flip the script for a moment. You run a business and create a ip or product that will release soon but someone inexplicably leaks your product which in turn releases factual information for everyone to see. The leaker signed a nda waiver but still choose to leak your product. I come across your leaked product and review the credibility of said leak and determine it real - then choose to go to my own very popular youtube channel which has 2million subscribers and begin to interject my opinion based off the facts of the leak. I never signed your NDA. but i know this product isnt released yet and wont yet until a few weeks still. My discussion of your product is less than favorable and im certainly entitled to my opinion. What will you do when you come across my channel? Will you let me rock? And potentially influence my viewer base prematurely, based off my opinion on your unreleased product?

I mean come on this isnt rocket science some of these channels are using the current situation as clickbait for views, thats fine but wait until its a free for all. I dont think naughty dog would take any issue of people forming their own opinions and discussing there game that is open for review once released. these are fairly decent sized channels discussing something that very simply wasnt open for discussion yet based off of leaked facts. So YES i think ND is within their right to request the content in question be removed that could potentially effect public opinion of their game, until the appropiate time. Doesnt matter if the person signed a NDA or not Naughty Dog are too excersing their rights to protect their product. It doesnt matter that the youtuber never uploaded video or still images, they are still discussing talking points based off of facts that were not ready to be disclosed yet and that got leaked. To say this is just Naughty Dog or sony trying to silence people is just silly, If you put any company in this situation i can assure you there response would more than likely be to remove the content in question. Its the principal and circumstance. Obviously you cant remove all topic of disscussion from everywhere on the internet but on bigger platforms i would expect nothing less. If this type of behavior is allowed permissable going foward then one could imagine the ramifications of people with a platform talking about things prematurely, and under their own 'narrative' at that. The leaker is still in the wrong. But whats right is right, wait until the proper time to interject your opinion on a channel or channels you obviously earn monetary gain or clout from.
This creates a dangerous precedence. Extrapolate this to the realm of politics. Government shutting down all discussion about some leak documents because they were not intended for the general public. They can take the documents down. They should not ban the discussion about them.
Youtube is at fault here.
 
WHO is pushing an agenda? the only people pushing an agenda here are the people crying about ND trying to push one. AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM with gaming. This is why you dont have more diversified scenarios or lead characters in games because developers are too scared to realize there vision for fallout of potential backlash of the story they choose to create.

When will it ever be a good time to go out on a limb and share a different story with this mindset? These are characters based off of people and lifestyles in the world we live in today. I may not agree with it or even favor the direction but I think its highly unfair to accuse someone of trying to push a sjw narrative when perhaps maybe they are just trying to diversify from the same manuscript that has been used for lead characters over the past 20 years.

If I had a dollar for every time I saw neck beards complain about "agendas" and SJW boogeymen, id be able to hire Troy and Ashley to do a live reenactment of the first game in my basement. I mean, that's creepy and I'd never ask them to do that but...

I ask them again and again what is this "agenda?" And no one can answer me.
 
So lets flip the script for a moment. You run a business and create a ip or product that will release soon but someone inexplicably leaks your product which in turn releases factual information for everyone to see. The leaker signed a nda waiver but still choose to leak your product. I come across your leaked product and review the credibility of said leak and determine it real - then choose to go to my own very popular youtube channel which has 2million subscribers and begin to interject my opinion based off the facts of the leak. I never signed your NDA. but i know this product isnt released yet and wont yet until a few weeks still. My discussion of your product is less than favorable and im certainly entitled to my opinion. What will you do when you come across my channel? Will you let me rock? And potentially influence my viewer base prematurely, based off my opinion on your unreleased product?

I mean come on this isnt rocket science some of these channels are using the current situation as clickbait for views, thats fine but wait until its a free for all. I dont think naughty dog would take any issue of people forming their own opinions and discussing there game that is open for review once released. these are fairly decent sized channels discussing something that very simply wasnt open for discussion yet based off of leaked facts. So YES i think ND is within their right to request the content in question be removed that could potentially effect public opinion of their game, until the appropiate time. Doesnt matter if the person signed a NDA or not Naughty Dog are too excersing their rights to protect their product. It doesnt matter that the youtuber never uploaded video or still images, they are still discussing talking points based off of facts that were not ready to be disclosed yet and that got leaked. To say this is just Naughty Dog or sony trying to silence people is just silly, If you put any company in this situation i can assure you there response would more than likely be to remove the content in question. Its the principal and circumstance. Obviously you cant remove all topic of disscussion from everywhere on the internet but on bigger platforms i would expect nothing less. If this type of behavior is allowed permissable going foward then one could imagine the ramifications of people with a platform talking about things prematurely, and under their own 'narrative' at that. The leaker is still in the wrong. But whats right is right, wait until the proper time to interject your opinion on a channel or channels you obviously earn monetary gain or clout from.
It's not a value if I suddenly don't believe in it when I'M the person in peril.

Naughty Dog as a company loaded the bullet they have to bite, be it through poor management, the treatment of its workers, or the direction of their creations. Excusing them attempting to prevent people even SPEAKING about it is rationalization of the control of thought. Naughty Dog has every right to take down footage of their game, but they do not get to swing the hammer on the discussion of ideas. That's where things get fucked.
 
Hang on, there would be a lot of videos that have replayed the leaked footage.

Sony may have asked YT to pull videos with tlou2 in it to prevent airing of the leaked footage.

A regrettable but understandable action as it is their copyrighted ip. Nevertheless, if this is the case the sloppiness of the execution will undoubtedly add fuel to the fire on, what I can only describe as, this monumental pile on Naughty Dog.

Unbelievable.
 
Im going to play the Original game on release date to keep the good memory alive and to prove that there was never a sequel.. none ever existed..
 
ND/Sony/Fanboys doing damage control.

One guy doesn't know what nda is and his cheerleader calling people names because they don't like the obvious direction of the game lol.

Druckman posting that quote basically saying "don't like it, don't buy it" too. Its like this moron want sabotage ND.
 
Wow. Neogaf and gaming is so toxic sometimes.

Chill out. Nobody wants to have his hard work from several years ruined by some morons on internet. Simple as that.

We should just be proud some hugely talented persons are in the industry. Let the creators do what they want.
 
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