Naughty Dog/Sony copy striking negative critiques of TLOU2 leaked videos (No spoilers)

Well if official reason those videos are shut down because mentioning ND/TLOU2 without "permission".....they should make a new one...with every single story detail revealed, just with tweaked names :-P
 
Malcolm9 said:
Opinions on the actual story are fine after the game has released. If you are purposely discussing huge spoilers from the game before it has been released it is a big no.
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Why only after release? What about release day, would it be acceptable to post all the spoilers at midnight?
 
If Sony is doing this before the release of the game there must be some truth to the game's plot (I have looked at it myself but don't remember any of it).

People should just use phrases that point to Sony, Naughty Dog and The Last of Us 2 without even mentioning their names, just to be safe.

"A Certain Video Game Publisher is taking down Videos of a certain high profile game (that is unreleased) that was leaked by a unspecified person, people with Negative Views of this unreleased game are having their channel struck off by the Video Game Publisher that makes a world renowned console that sold over 100 million units. This will reflect badly on said Company"
 
Sometimes I think that in the history of humanity, extreme violence has been iniciated for stupid reasons, but it's impossible that could just happen just for videogames preferences, right?

Then I enter threads like this in which a lot of people are super happy with their favourite company censoring the free speech of individual citizens and I get scared of mankind's extremism once again.

Like if the whole Covid situation wasn't enough to prove our stupidity.
 
stickkidsam said:
the treatment of its workers
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Look, that is inexcusable and ND has been allowing and some could say fostering an overtime / crunch heroics culture.

What is frankly pissing me off is the "feeling" of intellectual dishonesty I keep getting when normally, in most other crunch related threads I see, the overwhelming majority is pro publisher pro crunch and laughing about those people burned out almost "true art is not a 9-5 endeavour"... this is different, freaking culture wars of course are the cause?!
 
Sorry but in my view, DMCA strikes are part of the price of doing business on YT and using/referencing other IP holders property.

That there are long-term implications for receiving multiple strikes is the issue, not the ability of copyright holders to quickly shut down a case of possible infringement. And that's purely a matter of how big companies like YT operate.

See the fundamental issue is that there are both good and bad actors using the platform, and an accurate determination of who is what is not instantly recognizable, it takes time especially with the sheer volume of traffic. Because of this, any "instant remedy" needs to be a quick and dirty solution in order to protect creator's IP rights, and the nasty truth is if both parties are asserting that they are in the right, someone is always going to end up losing out.
 
Stuff like this just creates a Streisand-effect. Game is breeding/ feeding trolls and negativity before it even launches and they have no one to blame but themselves (Sony and Druckman).
 
Panajev2001a said:
Look, that is inexcusable and ND has been allowing and some could say fostering an overtime / crunch heroics culture.
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I think the issue is that Sony & ND have confirmed internally and said publicly that the leak wasn't by anyone working at Sony or ND. Yet besides spoiling the game months before it's out, which could already harm it's sales, a lot of these channels -and let's be honest here; they are nearly all agenda pushing, anti-left grifter channels- are saying that the leak happened either because ND are an evil company who don't pay their workers and/or because it was a ND dev staging an "anti-woke" protest.

Actively spreading spoilers that may hurt a company's bottom line and spreading lies that hurt it's reputation aren't gonna fly.
 
kyoji said:
WHO is pushing an agenda? the only people pushing an agenda here are the people crying about ND trying to push one. AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM with gaming. This is why you dont have more diversified scenarios or lead characters in games because developers are too scared to realize there vision for fallout of potential backlash of the story they choose to create.

When will it ever be a good time to go out on a limb and share a different story with this mindset? These are characters based off of people and lifestyles in the world we live in today. I may not agree with it or even favor the direction but I think its highly unfair to accuse someone of trying to push a sjw narrative when perhaps maybe they are just trying to diversify from the same manuscript that has been used for lead characters over the past 20 years.
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The same coin: on one side you have people wanting and or pushing diversity in games when it comes to design, characters, stories etc. On the other side you have people pushing against it who are anti diversity and dont want things to change due to they like how things were and its what their used to also because they feel an agenda is being pushed.

This will be an interesting next few years in gaming
 
One thing I noticed about this is many of these people get hit with TWO copyright strikes each. And its some random MUSOTNT LTD...not sony of america etc. They arent part of SONY or ND.

 
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This is a weirdly convoluted controversy, there's the culture wars, crunching in gaming and now corporate censorship?

Regarding the later: If these Yt channels really are being censored for verbal discussion then that's beyond fucked up. If this is the case how could anyone defend that Type of practice just for a video game company? I don't even know anymore. Nonsensssse
 
I don't mind trying to take down videos that show leaked footage. Having videos taken down of people talking about the news that is floating all around the internet now is stupid and a shitty thing to do. Gaming forums like GAF, Era, Gamefaqs, etc all have discussion thread about the same topic. Are they going to go after those next in an attempt to shut down all discussion on this across the internet? All that does is shine a bigger spotlight on things.
 
AeonGaidenRaiden said:
One thing I noticed about this is many of these people get hit with TWO copyright strikes each. And its some random MUSOTNT LTD...not sony of america etc. They arent part of SONY or ND.

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Even the thumbnail to the video is idotic. Dude has a problem with buff women and uses a quote from a trans woman beside the picture. Hes already sending a false narrative.
 
I do wonder how youtube copyright strikes will evolve over time. Now that they are banning talking about video game leaks, will the future include banning any discussion of a game prior to launch? Will talking negatively about trailers lead to banning? Will discussing review scores by the critics prior to launch be banned?

Once the posts are shifted enough times, youtube and other sites could basically become cheerleader only sites where only praise of products is allowed with all critics deplatformed. The silly thing is people will just criticise the products on all media that allow it, fostering a community of critics where everyone will go to get a truer picture of a products quality.
 
Geki-D said:
I think the issue is that Sony & ND have confirmed internally and said publicly that the leak wasn't by anyone working at Sony or ND. Yet besides spoiling the game months before it's out, which could already harm it's sales, a lot of these channels -and let's be honest here; they are nearly all agenda pushing, anti-left grifter channels- are saying that the leak happened either because ND are an evil company who don't pay their workers and/or because it was a ND dev staging an "anti-woke" protest.

Actively spreading spoilers that may hurt a company's bottom line and spreading lies that hurt it's reputation aren't gonna fly.
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I was not attacking nor justifying the leaker. Most of the AAA developers either allow or foster a cult of heroic crunch periods under the pretende of camaraderie, artist love of the craft, etc... and destroy people just because it is relatively easy to find new talent still. I was commenting on that.

I was also commenting on the fact that in most other cases I see more people on the side of the c on la g abusing workers under the same BS excuses except in this case where the company is extremely woke/SJW or at least some people there are. Politics/culture wars bring the worst in people: hypocrisy, lying, exaggerating, etc... are all fair game.

Either you are against extreme crunch in every studio or not, you do not get to pick and choose like this and still take a super stringent hard position IMHO.
 
Panajev2001a said:
I was not attacking nor justifying the leaker.
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I never thought you were.
Panajev2001a said:
Most of the AAA developers either allow or foster a cult of heroic crunch periods under the pretende of camaraderie, artist love of the craft, etc... and destroy people just because it is relatively easy to find new talent still. I was commenting on that.
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Yep. I remember watching the making of, it was either MGS2 or SH2, and at one point they said that the company just goes on full lockdown where employees have to pretty much sleep in the studio to work nonstop on the game. Guy just said it like, no biggy, normal shit. Of course it really isn't, not back then, especially not now. To my understanding crunch is slowly starting to go away, but not everywhere and we can thank Jason Schreier and other journos like him that call out companies for it.

But my point was that this leak, despite being framed as a protest to crunch (or "wokness") seemingly isn't, so Sony & ND aren't going to be happy when videos keep pushing this false narrative along with spoiling a game they've been working on for years and has the potential of being one of their best selling this gen. I wasn't attacking what you said or really disagreeing, just using it was trampoline.

And yeah, people on GAF are being amazingly hypocritical. I've seen plenty defend crunch here, but once it can we wielded as a weapon against a company that has committed the perceived sin of "wrong politics", suddenly the crunch protest can justify anything.
 
ANIMAL1975 said:
Every time one of these influent youtubers is sharing is opinion, he's contributing to that illegal activity _ he's spreading stolen information to a further audience, even without showing nothing he's talking about and revealing the games story (the main problem here).
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Incorrect. Absolutely wrong, wrong wrong. None of the videos I've seen mention any of the leaked plot points, and have solely focussed on the legitimate news angle of the leak itself.

If anything the reportage has focused more on the passive aggressive tantrum being thrown by the lead Dev at ND, and his connections to a certain feminist.
 
kyoji said:
WHO is pushing an agenda? the only people pushing an agenda here are the people crying about ND trying to push one. AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM with gaming. This is why you dont have more diversified scenarios or lead characters in games because developers are too scared to realize there vision for fallout of potential backlash of the story they choose to create.

When will it ever be a good time to go out on a limb and share a different story with this mindset? These are characters based off of people and lifestyles in the world we live in today. I may not agree with it or even favor the direction but I think its highly unfair to accuse someone of trying to push a sjw narrative when perhaps maybe they are just trying to diversify from the same manuscript that has been used for lead characters over the past 20 years.
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The lead Dev is on record that he believes TLOU Part I is based from a 'misogynist' viewpoint.

Also, make the distinction, some have received copyright CLAIMS and some have received copyright STRIKES.
 
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PropellerEar said:
I don't like censoring opinion, but copyright striking YT videos that use illegally leaked footage is OK to me.

Won't watch the videos linked, I'm trying to avoid spoilers.
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Copy striking is a term specifically reserved for people who are abusing the copyright claim system. There was NO copyrightable material in the videos taken down (at least by the creator of the video I linked).
 
kyoji said:
The game is till under nda... what is so hard to understand about that? it doesnt matter that it leaked or not. You have to know you are talking about a game that is still under these terms. Therefore any company should have the right to take the appropriate action until the nda is lifted. Or the game is released..
if people were allowed to start spewing opinions months before a product was ready to hit the market that could potentially damage branding etc.
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NDAs only apply to people who actually fucking signed them.

People discussing leaks are not guilty of anything, much less copyright violations. The person(s) who leaked them however...
 
I don't give a fuck about fair use or copyright laws you may have in the USA. I'm happy to see they took these videos down, they should remove all material related to the leaks.
 
yurinka said:
I don't give a fuck about fair use or copyright laws you may have in the USA. I'm happy to see they took these videos down, they should remove all material related to the leaks.
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I think it has its place, it's good to have a thread like this to exist because without a thread like this the people who want to discuss it are forced to do so where they could ruin it. The shameful part of all this are the people who feel it's their duty to spoil the game for others, or they just think it's funny to do so. I really hate that shit. As someone who doesn't let spoilers ruin his interest in something it doesn't affect me but I know many people who hate spoilers and want to go into experiences fresh and I don't understand not respecting someone's wishes to do that.
 
Jtibh said:
Zero spoiler at 4 15.

I have no clue what you guys are watching.

There is a small hint at 2 06 but no context is given or anything.
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there's messege at 4:15 writes that someone killed someone which might be possible leak if true.
 
Nothing wrong with them taking down leak videos, that's what they should do. The problem is taking down videos of people talking about the leaks. Now if the plot wasn't sjw horrible and was very exciting for everyone who enjoyed the first game. I highly doubt Sony/ND would do anything, about people talking about the leaks, but like I said in other threads, Sony doesn't do bad press, it's too close to the start of next gen, and any bad press could have a big effect.
 
We had to endure a full console generation pumped with insane agenda pushing SJW bullshit. It's finally going down :)
 
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Darius87 said:
there's messege at 4:15 writes that someone killed someone which might be possible leak if true.
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We are disscusing this in the ban thread.

I asked for a review and reassesment.

The video is clear of what it is and what you pointed out 99 out of 100 would have never seen.
Therefor you actually pointed out the only potential spoiler in a 14 min video so if anyone gets to see a spoil its cuz of you.

Anyways i got a hard ass warning that i my mind is unjust as the next time i slip iam gone for good.

So yeah thanks for that.
 
JORMBO said:
I don't mind trying to take down videos that show leaked footage. Having videos taken down of people talking about the news that is floating all around the internet now is stupid and a shitty thing to do. Gaming forums like GAF, Era, Gamefaqs, etc all have discussion thread about the same topic. Are they going to go after those next in an attempt to shut down all discussion on this across the internet? All that does is shine a bigger spotlight on things.
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probably not. We're are insignificant. Although some of us really think we're special. Lol
 
Yoda said:
Copy striking is a term specifically reserved for people who are abusing the copyright claim system. There was NO copyrightable material in the videos taken down (at least by the creator of the video I linked).
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Yes, then it sounds like censoring opinion. I don't think we disagree here.
 
kyoji said:
Its called defamation, use your brain. no company is going to let you negatively review a product that isn't officially released in the wild or to reviewers yet. This is how you know youre on top. Is when people begin to reach and claw to peg you down. The only one doing spinning in this guy in the video.
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You sound like a corporate shill . Anyone is allowed to have an opinion about anything, none of us are bound to any of Sony's NDAs. Your comment about defamation is also laughable. First off, proving defamation against a company, celebrity or high profile individual is nearly impossible in the best of cases. Secondly, what does defamation and copyright have to do with each other? They are freely abusing the copyright system which is not only an abuse of the YouTube terms of service, but an violation of law. Whether any of us agree with what the Youtuber did is a different conversation altogether. I can't believe how many people would give up their freedoms to protect corporate interests.
 
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Sony is trying really hard to finish this generation as the ultimate douche bag and lose all the goodwill they amassed through out these years.

From rejecting Crossplay initially to censoring games and now going after YT's that are negatively reporting on one of their games that was leaked just comes across as pathetic. Add the lackluster PS4 Pro release as well as the current abysmal next generation reveal and it looks like Sony is disintegrating from with in some how.

Only explanation that come to mind is that we got cocky Sony back in full swing acting reckless.
 
Jtibh said:
We are disscusing this in the ban thread.

I asked for a review and reassesment.

The video is clear of what it is and what you pointed out 99 out of 100 would have never seen.
Therefor you actually pointed out the only potential spoiler in a 14 min video so if anyone gets to see a spoil its cuz of you.

Anyways i got a hard ass warning that i my mind is unjust as the next time i slip iam gone for good.

So yeah thanks for that.
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so it's my fault that you can't see possible spoiler in video you posted? or you think people are dumb enough to not figure out that if i say it's spoiler at 4:15 that means don't watch it? and it's my fault 😡 you should be thankfull that i haven't reported you otherwise you might be banned already for your lack of awareness.
Jtibh said:
The video is clear of what it is and what you pointed out 99 out of 100 would have never seen.
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of course if 99 people of 100 can't read or are blind. stop being evasive.
 
OK, let's argue this for a second....Footage was stolen and leaked to the internet. Meaning it does not belong to you, you have no right to release or distribute.....Then people view this leaked footage and now they want to create a review of a 20-30 hour game...Will you not protect your unreleased product from this....When it's released, it's fair game.....But you must know, that some people were already highly opinionated on the game's storyline and characters, political and console wars driven....It's their opportunity now to hit the baby deer with all they've got, since the fox slyly caused young bambi to poke it's nose out......Sony is going to protect, the young deer's nose and its' entire body from the vultures....TLOU2 is their baby, where they toiled hard and lost lots of sleep....No one has a right to say they should not protect their own....

pLow7 said:
The fuck are these screens? That DF Dude is part of Discord Group with Xbox Fanboys? LuL
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Is that the only name you see......Look deeper....Any other familiar names...
 
Darius87 said:
so it's my fault that you can't see possible spoiler in video you posted? or you think people are dumb enough to not figure out that if i say it's spoiler at 4:15 that means don't watch it? and it's my fault 😡 you should be thankfull that i haven't reported you otherwise you might be banned already for your lack of awareness.

of course if 99 people of 100 can't read or are blind. stop being evasive.
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You are out of line here.

Dial it back.

And i sent in a request for review.
And the mods put down a different time stamp then you.
Mods never warned me for the content you show so clearly to the whole world.
Video also gives you a warning at the beginning.

Mods will decide but i stand by that this video is about cooyright and in no way about spoilers.

Might as well go through every video frame by frame and find something spoiler related.

Should we report the critical thinker video for that one frame too?
Be my guest , lots of people posted that video in many threads.

In closing i am not posting spoilers , its unfortunate that in such a long video there is one frame of info that ruined your day.

And to be frank if this is the level we are reaching here on gaf i really have no intentions to continue.
I am here in good will and good intentions and i feel this was unfair.
 
AtomicStarving said:
I must say TLOU2 will get really good reviews... but man, the user score on metacritic is gonna be ugly.
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Nobody has played the game yet, though!

Shouldn't that -how it plays- be the main thing that matters given its a game, not a movie?

I honestly feel like most people haven't wrapped their heads around how deeply fucked up this whole controversy is.
 
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