Maybe it is a bellows. It moves and pushes out the hot air.They should just give it legs so the PS5 can go look for the nearest fan or A/C unit
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Well if you use this logic in gaming context almost everything is cheating. Having PBR textures is also cheating. Simply creating a low poly character and making it look highly detailed using normal maps is also cheating. Using specular maps and bump maps for showing sweat or water droplets is also cheating. Even all those 2d planes of grass / leaves is also cheating. using LODs is also cheating.
Gaminig is essentially like cinema It's all about what the end user sees or believes in the end
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kensama
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i was kind of pissed-off at that moment. I really wanted to see the new menu system after all they talked about it pulling-down live stats and lobbies; which implies a lot of data on the screen. And also how they took design cue's from netflix (whatever it was they said about netflix), which would imply just a simplistic row or grid of game squares with less info pulling the focus away.
i have a feeling it could end up looking quite bad, depending on how much they try to cram-into the space.
Metroiddarks
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Meanwhile in forums and Twitter when they see that the people like the presentation.
(denial stage)
Calm down guys nobody should care an opinion of technical aspects from people who never made a game in its life or even
doesn't have any technical knowledge of the topic.
If you don't like some of the games is good but that doesn't means is necessity to show something which you don't have even
an idea of what are you talking about and say "see is not worth it" that is pathetic, if you like this hobby buy both consoles and a PC.
If your problem is you don't have enough money for this that maybe means than you should focus your time first improve your salary
instead to fight like a kid in internet.
Calm down guys nobody should care an opinion of technical aspects from people who never made a game in its life or even
doesn't have any technical knowledge of the topic.
If you don't like some of the games is good but that doesn't means is necessity to show something which you don't have even
an idea of what are you talking about and say "see is not worth it" that is pathetic, if you like this hobby buy both consoles and a PC.
If your problem is you don't have enough money for this that maybe means than you should focus your time first improve your salary
instead to fight like a kid in internet.
aclar00
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Gamernyc78
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Gamernyc78
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ethomaz
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Wut?
Bo_Hazem
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Feel the need to reiterate that portion:
Now to the crux of whole VRS debacle and PS5's inherent hw efficiency that voids the need to use VRS in the first place
Remember Matt Hargett ex Sony principle software engineer on Playstation when he tweeted this gem:
and also this thread where someone working at MS gets in on the discussion and says MS also have GE (but from GCN μArch, then Matt retorts and says what PS has is specific to their platform and what MS has is generic version - and MS employee deletes his tweets after breaking NDA and making a fool of himself in the meanwhile)
Let me try to explain it to you guys, GE - Geometry Engine is not something one and done, it has versions just like GCN, RDNA 1, RDNA 2, and what MS didn't work on with their consoles were primitive discards right on the primitive shaders, which unsurprisingly what Sony was working on for during last gen, both in PS4 and then later on PS4 Pro consoles. Their efforts were mostly unused because of some reason that are not clear, but it is safe to say they botched that aspect up until now. However on PS5, with their past mistakes, they implemented the correct hw to discard geometry that is
1 - not in the FoV of the screen with some safety margins, (++ perf gain)
2 - in the screen but behind objects thus are unseen (+++++ perf gain)
#2 is important because up until now, the objects behind were still being calculated in the GPU (before GE) but then later on discarded, since they are not drawn on the screen anyway, however as you can see even some calculation for those unseen/behind objects are completely unnecessary. PS4 Pro botched the implementation of this step (did the #1 very well and you can see HZD documentary for it - timestamped for exact visualization and explanation to #1)
Back then it was (trade marked) called as frustum culling which lead to the no loading, no cut open world designs like the ones found in God of War, HZD etc.
Now at this point they could do #2 as well but not on hardware, and not before whole lot of calculations were done on the object that will end up non-drawn anyway. Doing it in software not only loads CPU, but also not all GPU cycles were freed for those occluded objects, only a portion of it (and most likely very small one).
Now GE on PS5 is capable of doing it in hw and freeing up those precious cycles for other things, and on the next gen consoles only PS5 has the new version while MS gone ahead with the old one (but instead they went with VRS way).
There's a patent deep dive in a post if you want to read further
Primitive Shader: AMD's Patent Deep Dive
Primitive shader was mentioned in The Road to PS5 video, many suspected it was just another term for Mesh Shader, some said they are different concepts and thus PS5 would not support mesh shader. AMD's own marketing did not help clear the confusion, so I decided to take a look at their patent...www.resetera.com
Bonus points for Death Stranding
EDIT: You know what watch the whole thing
What a wonderful post! Can you repost it there to stop further brain gymnastics and goofy posts by xbox fans?
Digital Foundry claims PS5 doesn't exhibit any evidence of VRS(Variable Rate Shading) from PS5 showcase.
Yeah well when one of the DF guys are members of an Xbox discord group responsible for spreading FUD, then their credibilty can surely be questioned, no ? Is he really well i did not know that about him but still they do run test and point out the flaw on both console if they were just making...
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Most game reviewers haven't made a game yet it is their job to critique them.Meanwhile in forums and Twitter when they see that the people like the presentation.
(denial stage)
Calm down guys nobody should care an opinion of technical aspects from people who never made a game in its life or even
doesn't have any technical knowledge of the topic.
If you don't like some of the games is good but that doesn't means is necessity to show something which you don't have even
an idea of what are you talking about and say "see is not worth it" that is pathetic, if you like this hobby buy both consoles and a PC.
If your problem is you don't have enough money for this that maybe means than you should focus your time first improve your salary
instead to fight like a kid in internet.
I doubt many in here have any technical knowledge of game design beyond the theoretical. It doesn't mean we can't criticize or discuss different aspects. It could be a good way to learn more about the actual process.
Let's not dissuade people from expresses their thoughts whether they are correct or incorrect.
ArcaneNLSC
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This made me hungry, cooking my own KFC-like chicken nuggets in the air fryer now, with some cheese and Tabasco.
It made me hungry too even though it was 3:30am or so and I'd only just eaten 3 slices of pizza 1 hour earlier
FeiRR
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Those details are nice but will make my white PS5 very dirty in a short time because dust will be caught in them. Also makes potential modding with painting/foil more difficult. Those are disadvantages I can see for people living their short lives in polluted shitholes.
Great information. 30 titles is insane. The biggest launch window catalogue in gaming history, I think?
I'll go further and speculate: once you unpack the console, connect it and switch it on, this is what you're going to get: a guided tour of the system with Astrobots which lead you through setup and downloads. Then you continue having fun while updates, games and patches download in the background. No more waiting in menus, watching the progress bar go tick tick tick...
Bad punctuation on my part.
I was inferring that unlike dictator you don't have any biases toward PlayStation just like I don't have any biases towards Xbox.
In others words, sarcasm.
captainraincoat
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Yeah same SSD size means this is going to be expensive.....i think they kept the price out of the event to keep the positive vibes going
FeiRR
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Hm, what? I don't care about the price.
pasterpl
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Yesterday I posted that metacritic score at 95 here and it got mass reported from salty members until it got deleted. Those goons aren't stopping it.
nothing to do with salt mate, this is next gen thread, so posts about current gen games are pure off topics
zaitsu
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I would like white covers
Metroiddarks
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Express an opinion if you like a game is not the same that express an opinion of technical aspect. You can tell me "you know what I like more Crackdown 3
than TLOU 2" that is okay is your taste and is respectable.
But If for example someone tell me is not a software dev, an engineer or never made a game in any way (been an artist or a dev) I couldn't care
less his/her opinion of a technical aspect because why I should care an opinion of someone who doesn't know anything about it, these
are facts not taste.
I seen people believe that engine has a tool which show a bar with TF that tell you how much power you are using when in reality you only see in the profiler
how many time each process is taking or believe that the framerate is attached to input responsiveness in a game when is not.
For example I remember you one time you were agree with a video which says the faster SSD doesn't matter because the GPU cannot process that
quantity of info so fast which is so false , so or your have an idea of this topics but you internal fanboy tell you another thing or you don't have an idea, decided
which is worst.
That is why I don't pretend to know of medicine and wants the people respect what I think should be a good medicine for a disease. Have the right of say
an opinion but that doesn't mean that opinion is as valid as that of someone with technical background.
If someone wants to learn exists many courses and free engines to use and I am sure when someone start to make a game, that person will appreciate more
all the hard work which is necessary to make a simple game.
geordiemp
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World cup / Olympics
Nickolaidas
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I can't help but wonder about Yoshida's honesty regarding Demon's Souls ... considering he referred to it as crap when he first saw it on the PS3. Did he came to appreciate the game and feels guilty for almost destroying a game which spawned a sub-genre? Or is this simple PR talk?
It's commendable that he came out and said 'Yeah, I saw this game and I thought it sucked. Biggest mistake in my life', I just don't know if he's being honest about this game being 'dear to him', while he could be saying on the inside 'I have NO idea what people saw in this piece of crap'.
THE:MILKMAN
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Just watch the Gigaboots video breakdown of what Cerny says and the below is the CNET question in bold and what Jim Ryan states in response.
Between the above, Mark Cerny's entire explanations in Road to PS5 (not just the Gigaboots section) and two PS Blog posts, it has been a real mess to me. Clearly
IntentionalPun
and about half of everyone else don't agree, but when things are this split on a subject then you messed up the messaging.
SentientStone
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I can't help but wonder about Yoshida's honesty regarding Demon's Souls ... considering he referred to it as crap when he first saw it on the PS3. Did he came to appreciate the game and feels guilty for almost destroying a game which spawned a sub-genre? Or is this simple PR talk?
It's commendable that he came out and said 'Yeah, I saw this game and I thought it sucked. Biggest mistake in my life', I just don't know if he's being honest about this game being 'dear to him', while he could be saying on the inside 'I have NO idea what people saw in this piece of crap'.
It is near and dear because it was a chick he disregarded in the beginning then got jelly and fell for once other dudes started hitting on her instead.
Lunatic_Gamer
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Oddworld: Soulstorm Will Deliver Stunning Visuals and Advanced 3D Audio Thanks to PS5 Hardware
Lorne Lanning, Co-Founder at Oddworld Inhabitants, waxed praise over the PS5 hardware and how it's going to improve the game:
"We are using the power of PS5 to push Oddworld: Soulstorm toward a cinematic visual and storytelling leap over our previous titles. The game's scope and scale are larger than we've tackled before. Its technical achievements are capable of delivering stunning graphic fidelity and advanced 3D audio, and combined with its advanced DUALSENSE Wireless Controller, PS5 will enhance our storytelling and artistic abilities to create a deeper emotional connection to the Oddworld experience for fans to enjoy."
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Lorne Lanning, Co-Founder at Oddworld Inhabitants, waxed praise over the PS5 hardware and how it's going to improve the game:
"We are using the power of PS5 to push Oddworld: Soulstorm toward a cinematic visual and storytelling leap over our previous titles. The game's scope and scale are larger than we've tackled before. Its technical achievements are capable of delivering stunning graphic fidelity and advanced 3D audio, and combined with its advanced DUALSENSE Wireless Controller, PS5 will enhance our storytelling and artistic abilities to create a deeper emotional connection to the Oddworld experience for fans to enjoy."
Oddworld: Soulstorm Will Deliver Stunning Visuals and Advanced 3D Audio Thanks to PS5 Hardware
Oddworld: Soulstorm will deliver stunning visuals and advanced 3D audio thanks to the PS5 hardware, according to Lorne Lanning.
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Razzy-
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pasterpl
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Destruction AllStars (PS Studios) gameplay screenshots.
The next BIG multiplayer! Hope it's free, it'll pay off with microtransactions when monetized smartly like fortnite.
this actually looked like a lot of fun, maybe a bit to chaotic for me, but i liked character models and the style of graphics presented
pasterpl
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Oddworld: Soulstorm Will Deliver Stunning Visuals and Advanced 3D Audio Thanks to PS5 Hardware
Lorne Lanning, Co-Founder at Oddworld Inhabitants, waxed praise over the PS5 hardware and how it's going to improve the game:
"We are using the power of PS5 to push Oddworld: Soulstorm toward a cinematic visual and storytelling leap over our previous titles. The game's scope and scale are larger than we've tackled before. Its technical achievements are capable of delivering stunning graphic fidelity and advanced 3D audio, and combined with its advanced DUALSENSE Wireless Controller, PS5 will enhance our storytelling and artistic abilities to create a deeper emotional connection to the Oddworld experience for fans to enjoy."
Oddworld: Soulstorm Will Deliver Stunning Visuals and Advanced 3D Audio Thanks to PS5 Hardware
Oddworld: Soulstorm will deliver stunning visuals and advanced 3D audio thanks to the PS5 hardware, according to Lorne Lanning.
it will be extremely interesting to see how pc vs ps5 versions compare in terns of graphics and sound
pasterpl
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If anyone Is interested, the ps5 pre-orders at shopto are now open
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Oddworld: Soulstorm Will Deliver Stunning Visuals and Advanced 3D Audio Thanks to PS5 Hardware
Lorne Lanning, Co-Founder at Oddworld Inhabitants, waxed praise over the PS5 hardware and how it's going to improve the game:
"We are using the power of PS5 to push Oddworld: Soulstorm toward a cinematic visual and storytelling leap over our previous titles. The game's scope and scale are larger than we've tackled before. Its technical achievements are capable of delivering stunning graphic fidelity and advanced 3D audio, and combined with its advanced DUALSENSE Wireless Controller, PS5 will enhance our storytelling and artistic abilities to create a deeper emotional connection to the Oddworld experience for fans to enjoy."
Oddworld: Soulstorm Will Deliver Stunning Visuals and Advanced 3D Audio Thanks to PS5 Hardware
Oddworld: Soulstorm will deliver stunning visuals and advanced 3D audio thanks to the PS5 hardware, according to Lorne Lanning.
this Game is also coming to PS4.
will be interesting how this game is being hold back.
Bo_Hazem
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It's like Rocket League game, you jump in it to have a blast and laugh and not take it too seriously like RB6 or Battlefield that might be frustrating if you're in a noob team. I think I'll play it a lot and would love a race mode and other modes inside the game.
Bo_Hazem
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It's a very simplistic game, and if it's already going to PS4 it's already held back in terms of creative horizon. Not every game will be that demanding anyway. Ratchet & Clank transition is near impossible on other platforms, that's why they kinda over show it in that short gameplay footage.
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Bo_Hazem
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Why they kinda sound like the typical FUD distributors we got used to around the forums? That's some high quality concern FUD. But who cares, the world thinks otherwise.
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VanSiriusGabriel
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If he still can't comprehend what Demon's Souls did for the entire gaming, than his "honesty" it's actually the last problem considering he's managing indies now.
I can't help but wonder about Yoshida's honesty regarding Demon's Souls ... considering he referred to it as crap when he first saw it on the PS3. Did he came to appreciate the game and feels guilty for almost destroying a game which spawned a sub-genre? Or is this simple PR talk?
It's commendable that he came out and said 'Yeah, I saw this game and I thought it sucked. Biggest mistake in my life', I just don't know if he's being honest about this game being 'dear to him', while he could be saying on the inside 'I have NO idea what people saw in this piece of crap'.
no, it was all about the production:
so, it was all about Production process.
YouTube can easily stream 4K. Xbox event was also 4K and that was even in MAY!
we are Talking about June.
See here: https://www.inverse.com/gaming/xbox-series-x-reveal-2020-summer-games-fest
VanSiriusGabriel
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It's the usual attack to DF, yesterday someone saying "UH STILL NOT PS5 VIDEO11!!!" and then we got one a little after. People are just expecting them to dance at their pace.
They said that some games probably will be 30 fps because they looked insane, yet they ammitted that they just didn't expect for RT to be possible with those graphics and native 4K. They didn't "threw in" an Xbox targeting 120 fps statement, they were wondering if the apparent commitment of MS to frame rates could lead to MS exclusives targeting 60 fps at least while it's still unkown for PS5.
And I finished the conference not knowing exactly what was exclusives and what not, between second parties, first parties, temporal exclusives, console exclusives also on PC...
Bo_Hazem
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You need to watch the trailers, the ending of each for your last point.
And I don't care about what they think, we all have eyes and can see, they're not some kind of gods. Hell, they're just youtubers.
And if they wanna compare with Xbox, better bring those gameplay event for direct comparisons, which they played some or all on PC with 2080Ti!
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VanSiriusGabriel
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There was no indication after each game, only one is the PS symbol at the start but only for first parties.
You may not care of their opinion but doesn't mean it's "FUD!11!!"
They didn't wanna compare much, watch the reaction: they are chill guys wondering what will be the differences in approach between Sony first parties and MS first parties, as everyone here.
FranXico
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That style makes sense.
Nickolaidas
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There's no way that the X Series X will be able to play PS5 multiplat games at 120 fps while the PS5 will play them at 30 fps. 2 TFs won't make that of a difference.
However, X Series X console exclusives? Those will DEFINITELY play at 120 fps, for the simple reason they also have to run on an X-Box One S.
However, X Series X console exclusives? Those will DEFINITELY play at 120 fps, for the simple reason they also have to run on an X-Box One S.
Bo_Hazem
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Man, should I timestamp every game for you? Do your homework please: (timed console exclusive, coming to PC)
Richard is a great even he said that he prefers Xbox at some old videos, but he maintains professional. John is also great. Our main problem is the confirmed XboxEra Discord FUD contributor Alex (aka Dictator).
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HAL-01
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Considering all footage we've seen is either alpha or pre-alpha, what sort of improvements do you expect to see over how the games currently look?
I hope horizon integrates animal fur physics, I remember 7 years ago cd project red promised realistic wolf fur, and that fox in the horizon trailer needed it badly
I hope horizon integrates animal fur physics, I remember 7 years ago cd project red promised realistic wolf fur, and that fox in the horizon trailer needed it badly
VanSiriusGabriel
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Yes, some did not have this, like Oddworld. I suppose because it's multiplatform, but generally every trailer has all the platform available indicated, even if it's all of them. In a conference with 30 games or so one after another can be confusing, it's better to be very specific in these things.
Neo Blaster
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Dude, looks like PC is perfect for you, get one and be happy.
Bo_Hazem
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Please, man, go watch them all:
PlayStation
Welcome to the official home of PlayStation on YouTube. Here you'll find the latest videos about your favorite PlayStation products direct from Sony Computer...
www.youtube.com
Neo Blaster
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Break out box must go!!!
VanSiriusGabriel
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Yes, again, it was not in the conference. Those are single trailers. Both DF and I were talking about conference itself.
Please, man, go watch them all:
PlayStation
Welcome to the official home of PlayStation on YouTube. Here you'll find the latest videos about your favorite PlayStation products direct from Sony Computer...
Please, man, go watch them all:
PlayStation
Welcome to the official home of PlayStation on YouTube. Here you'll find the latest videos about your favorite PlayStation products direct from Sony Computer...
Oh nice. It's coming to Xbox? Didn't know that. Thanks!
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