Tesseract
Banned
there's lots of filler here, keeps the doors revolving
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Never Mind.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Are you allowed to talk about the banned subjects in here like certain specs of a certain console? serious question because that keeps derailing the ban thread
Tesseract
Banned
believe you can talk about nearly anything here
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Rather than the music, I am more surprised he did it in a fucking mouse with MS Paint.
Tesseract
Banned
consider adding context like that to the content of your posts
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
will try.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
This forum and this meme
Tesseract
Banned
'conceptually, the metaverse describes a future internet of persistent, shared, 3d virtual spaces linked into a perceived virtual universe, but common standards, interfaces, and communication protocols between and among virtual environment systems are still in development. '
this is the gibson or stephenson view of the metaverse (or cyberspace), it's more or less how i thought this thread would naturally develop
it's sorta gone that way but tends to fall off the rails when interactions cease for media drops
this is the gibson or stephenson view of the metaverse (or cyberspace), it's more or less how i thought this thread would naturally develop
it's sorta gone that way but tends to fall off the rails when interactions cease for media drops
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Eh
Don't worry about it too much man
Meta's come and go
Saturday through Sunday, Monday
Monday through Sunday, yo
Tesseract
Banned
oh i'm not, just commenting on the state of things (as i see them)
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
YOU MUST BE ON TOPIC IN THE WAY I FEEL YOU MUST BE ON TOPIC
Just report and let this conversation die; the horse is decaying at this point. Much rather get back to shit talking with you guys
Just report and let this conversation die; the horse is decaying at this point. Much rather get back to shit talking with you guys
Tesseract
Banned
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Meta's are a place where creativity, discovery and games go to die
Explosive Zombie
Banned
because serious question, how does this thread feel about the people who really want to argue TFlops and RDNA even when the mods consider it bannable?
I feel like this thread is friendly enough it's better to ask here than say next gen thread because here's how I feel...
in practically every known technical aspect series x outpaces ps5
one of the few areas PS5 has any edge is SSD throughput
this leads to many threads about SSD secret sauce
however, by discrediting the SSD importance don't you also discredit Series X? At half throughput it's still one of the big aspects of it, neither side is playing down the loading screen issue (look at Medium a Series X exclusive)
so, to me, it's not enough to have nearly everything technical in your favor, if it's not 100% in your favor you must
1. say SSD doesn't truly matter
2. use the idea that maybe GPU on PS5 can't maintain 10 Tflops often enough
3. claim it's LESS than RDNA 2
To me, I get it, when Cerny says things about variable clocks or when they say it's not quite the same as RDNA 2 (same deal with Series X to my knowledge) you can interpret that unfavorably, more unfavorably than there's even evidence for, but why insist on worst possible outcomes without knowing for sure?
So, ps5 can drop a few percent performance sometimes, in order for it to spend a majority of the time so low to be called a forbidden number TFLOP machine you'd need it to drop close to 10%, most people don't mean 10 when they saw a few, so either you think Cerny was being disingenuous with his wording or he's just a liar. Once you claim to know better than system architect you become a troll and mods ban
the RDNA stuff seams to mostly be due to a certain tweet or tweet thread that i think is a banned thing to talk about as well? the argument seams to vary from it's RDNA 1.5 to it's better than RDNA 2 in all but 1 aspect, again, this feels like people want to believe the worst possible outcome because they want it to be bad, instead of waiting to see
If you're more of a pro-Series X than pro-PS5 shouldn't it be enough that your system is technically more powerful in the general sense? Why make these other arguments? If PS5 spends 90% of its time at 10.28 Tflops that's STILL less than Series X, so what does it matter?
Serious questions, guys, how do you feel, do you feel it's okay these subjects are so taboo, do you agree with me that you don't need these arguments because the official specs speak for themselves and in nearly all ways Series X comes out on top? Do you think the mods are doing the right thing? Considering the influential nature of NeoGAF in gaming culture shouldn't such arguments be curbed? I remember once googling some fake, discredited rumor (I totally forget which, just believe me) and the top google result was a news article reporting it with NeoGAF as the source. Considering people will publish articles with NeoGAF members as sources for their information maybe it's best to err on the side of caution and until we know OFFICIAL specs on these issues to keep it down? I mean, let's say theoretically we find out for sure that the worst case scenarios are true, did it really hurt you to wait until that information came out? I do think this is a generalized problem though, like if there's a thread about the new XBOX event it's full of Sony Ponies saying they expect the event to suck and be the same old shit, I just don't get why people do this... what if it did suck? Who takes you seriously then, because they'll say you already thought so beforehand, why not say you hope it's great so if you DID hate the event you have more credibility as an impartial voice beforehand? So many people are more invested in discrediting future events than they are in arguing about things we currently know and have access to
I feel like this thread is friendly enough it's better to ask here than say next gen thread because here's how I feel...
in practically every known technical aspect series x outpaces ps5
one of the few areas PS5 has any edge is SSD throughput
this leads to many threads about SSD secret sauce
however, by discrediting the SSD importance don't you also discredit Series X? At half throughput it's still one of the big aspects of it, neither side is playing down the loading screen issue (look at Medium a Series X exclusive)
so, to me, it's not enough to have nearly everything technical in your favor, if it's not 100% in your favor you must
1. say SSD doesn't truly matter
2. use the idea that maybe GPU on PS5 can't maintain 10 Tflops often enough
3. claim it's LESS than RDNA 2
To me, I get it, when Cerny says things about variable clocks or when they say it's not quite the same as RDNA 2 (same deal with Series X to my knowledge) you can interpret that unfavorably, more unfavorably than there's even evidence for, but why insist on worst possible outcomes without knowing for sure?
So, ps5 can drop a few percent performance sometimes, in order for it to spend a majority of the time so low to be called a forbidden number TFLOP machine you'd need it to drop close to 10%, most people don't mean 10 when they saw a few, so either you think Cerny was being disingenuous with his wording or he's just a liar. Once you claim to know better than system architect you become a troll and mods ban
the RDNA stuff seams to mostly be due to a certain tweet or tweet thread that i think is a banned thing to talk about as well? the argument seams to vary from it's RDNA 1.5 to it's better than RDNA 2 in all but 1 aspect, again, this feels like people want to believe the worst possible outcome because they want it to be bad, instead of waiting to see
If you're more of a pro-Series X than pro-PS5 shouldn't it be enough that your system is technically more powerful in the general sense? Why make these other arguments? If PS5 spends 90% of its time at 10.28 Tflops that's STILL less than Series X, so what does it matter?
Serious questions, guys, how do you feel, do you feel it's okay these subjects are so taboo, do you agree with me that you don't need these arguments because the official specs speak for themselves and in nearly all ways Series X comes out on top? Do you think the mods are doing the right thing? Considering the influential nature of NeoGAF in gaming culture shouldn't such arguments be curbed? I remember once googling some fake, discredited rumor (I totally forget which, just believe me) and the top google result was a news article reporting it with NeoGAF as the source. Considering people will publish articles with NeoGAF members as sources for their information maybe it's best to err on the side of caution and until we know OFFICIAL specs on these issues to keep it down? I mean, let's say theoretically we find out for sure that the worst case scenarios are true, did it really hurt you to wait until that information came out? I do think this is a generalized problem though, like if there's a thread about the new XBOX event it's full of Sony Ponies saying they expect the event to suck and be the same old shit, I just don't get why people do this... what if it did suck? Who takes you seriously then, because they'll say you already thought so beforehand, why not say you hope it's great so if you DID hate the event you have more credibility as an impartial voice beforehand? So many people are more invested in discrediting future events than they are in arguing about things we currently know and have access to
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
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Explosive Zombie
I think it's meant to cut down on static and hot takes. I was here with GAF watching the XsX reveal and the PS5 reveal, and they were both a shitshow. The trolling began immediately. Some people (still unbanned) said with glee "I am so happy to finally see [fanboy of choice] put in their place" and it has continued to spiral from there.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Big question that I am not sure if there is a right answer.
What I dont understand is why we are dying on Cerny's words, who works for Playstation and isn't going to paint PS5 in a negative way in any fashion, and not the words of developers. I made a vetted thread with an actual developer and people discredited it and yet no one got a ban or anything along those lines. So when someone who has no allegiance and doesn't work for the company who makes the hardware says something we don't credit it as a source you shouldn't be allowed to discredit, but the guy working for Sony we take as the 100 percent defacto answer? Sounds backwards to me.
This isn't me saying Cerny is lying or is console warring himself, but of course he is going to paint his machine in the best light possible. Theres a reason they opened with the SSD and not the GPU.
When you mix that behavior with the fanboys on each side you get whats happened here. You have one side scrambling to find anything valuable to make their machine look better than it is and then you have the other using things like variable clocks and 9.2 in a fanboy fashion as if they are somehow going to sink the machine into hell.
This has created a vacuum here thats impossible to get out of. Everyone is shit talking the other side, we have posters talking about others wives and harassing developers(to which theres no evidence of harassing), posters jumping to conclusions over stupid drama and calling out one side as the devil, we have fanboys making threads to antagonize the other and in some cases asking mods to basically ban others they dont like, and a long list of other behavior that you would think would be behind people above the age of 13.
Gaf has done this to itself. Through the inability to act like adults and grow the fuck up. You should be able to talk about TF and RDNA without it being ban-able but thus here we are.
If anything I think people who were involved with the Gavin drama that cried fake and verbally abused others should be at a minimum banned for a short while but i would move for a perm for anyone who was absuive and encouraged the gang like mentality.
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-Arcadia-
Banned
Addressing the two hottest topics of the day:
I think if you love a thread or board, you ought to consider and respect what made it so good in the first place. I've been doing this internet thing for so much longer than I'm comfortable admitting, and the one constant is that once something becomes popular, a bunch of newbies with no respect for the thing that attracted them there in the first place, crash the whole thing, while veterans stand by out of a fear of 'not being nice'.
The Meta thread is the meta thread and can stretch in many different directions, but when there's a sea change to an entirely different kind of posting overnight, which blocks out what made it so fun/interesting in the first place, with the posters that do it also being completely arrogant about it... it's open season. Haven't been in here too much recently, so I don't know how It's going.
About moderation:
Saying this professionally and with respect for what we have, I'd much prefer that long-time console warriors just finally eat their permabans rather than slapping ever-tightening restrictions on all of us, that said fanboys use like a cudgel to report their enemies out of existence.
I'm not sure why they're still around, or what value they add to the site. They certainly aren't reforming. It feels like they're taking advantage of the kindness offered them, and constantly innovating new and subtler ways to troll.
Why do we want people like that around? Or better yet, since some are good posters outside of gaming, why not issue a section ban? Maybe after they've learned their lesson, they can appeal to be let back in, contingent to acting like an actual adult, and with the axe being dropped on the first offense.
I think if you love a thread or board, you ought to consider and respect what made it so good in the first place. I've been doing this internet thing for so much longer than I'm comfortable admitting, and the one constant is that once something becomes popular, a bunch of newbies with no respect for the thing that attracted them there in the first place, crash the whole thing, while veterans stand by out of a fear of 'not being nice'.
The Meta thread is the meta thread and can stretch in many different directions, but when there's a sea change to an entirely different kind of posting overnight, which blocks out what made it so fun/interesting in the first place, with the posters that do it also being completely arrogant about it... it's open season. Haven't been in here too much recently, so I don't know how It's going.
About moderation:
Saying this professionally and with respect for what we have, I'd much prefer that long-time console warriors just finally eat their permabans rather than slapping ever-tightening restrictions on all of us, that said fanboys use like a cudgel to report their enemies out of existence.
I'm not sure why they're still around, or what value they add to the site. They certainly aren't reforming. It feels like they're taking advantage of the kindness offered them, and constantly innovating new and subtler ways to troll.
Why do we want people like that around? Or better yet, since some are good posters outside of gaming, why not issue a section ban? Maybe after they've learned their lesson, they can appeal to be let back in, contingent to acting like an actual adult, and with the axe being dropped on the first offense.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I concur with this. I am still not sure how some people went untouched after the Gavin Stevens thing. Like seriously...THat was some fucked up shit.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
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-Arcadia-
Banned
I guarantee you he got warned or something of the like.
The problem, however, is that it will take several more warnings for anything to be done, while several new problem posters will pop up, and several more old posters will do the same as him, and none will probably even listen to the warnings.
The system seems based on the idea of forgiveness and redemption. This is great when posters are willing to play along. These posters are not, and imo, should be treated as such, particularly when almost every thread gets dragged into fanboy wars by them eventually.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Either that, or there is an artificial desire to hang on to "unique specimens" as a shield against the ever-present accusation of GAF being an echo chamber. Whatever the case, the result is that as long as a user doesn't say anything openly anti-semitic or openly troll a brand with a forbidden dogwhistle (teraflops and SSDs), they can derail conversations, stir shit, and generally sow animosity on GAF with the excuse that they're "just starting a conversation" (sound familiar?). It's pretty obvious when a <50 poster is aiming at Politics board (they sniff around the COVID thread, the ERA thread, and other threads where political comments aren't considered off-topic) yet when they predictably hit 50 and start posting their screeds in Politics, it takes awhile for mods to smell the fumes.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Tbh, if I were them, I don't know that I wouldn't do that exact same thing. I don't know that that is what they're doing, though.
But would I hang on to an Orange Man Bad poster, and the next time an ad company like Google swings by to eliminate wrongthink, say, 'See? Everything's fine.' Absolutely I would, if it means freedom for everyone else to offer their take.
I think politics, and please correct me if I'm wrong -- I only dip my toe in the pool, is generally well off though. The community self-corrects and shames. We don't really have that kind of plurality of strong posters to push back in gaming, where these trolling attempts are always successful, and destroy real, productive conversation.
I feel that when these people, including political ones, are actively pulling the forum way down from what it should be, it's time for moderation to get very, very rough with them.
I adore the rehabilitation approach. But not when the other party is putting zero effort into it, and just seeing these warnings as more chances to get away with bullshit.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
The purpose of moderation is to allow the best conversation to float to the top. Even 4chan moderates because the volume of static and botspam will always overwhelm real posts. GAF seems to moderate based on warnings + severity of individual grievances. So if you can avoid offending / riling with any one specific post and instead can drag it out across multiple threads / posts, it's easy mode! Even better if the topic has multiple threads / posts, so you can hop from thread to thread, never "crossing the line" in any specific thread, with any specific post, but continuing to troll that specific game / that specific brand. 10+ Endurance stat if you can paint yourself as a victim / misunderstood while you do it, which often rallies fellow brand-acolytes to your defense.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Yep yep yep. Couldn't agree more. The system is fantastic, but has a major weakness if those who deign to exploit it, are not subjected to a different kind of moderation.
What's worse, people blowing up at those people hanging around forever and creating a far worse experience for everyone, will likely be moderated, and hard.
We have paradise here, compared to the rest of the internet. But it's really time to take a look at those snakes and apples.
O-N-E
Member
What I want to know is how many of the users being anal about every little technical aspect of these consoles don't have a gaming PC? All your Xbox games are gonna be on there, bruvs.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I think the time it takes for someone to go to warning to ban would benefit to be shorter but at the same time I feel like sometimes I take this place too seriously.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Yeah. I got at that earlier with my own approach. To pull it outside of all the surrounding text, I think known console troublemakers, people that are obviously working the system, should be moderated with a different standard, at least until gaming side returns to not constantly being besieged by fanboys.
Saber
Newd Member
I remember DBZ airing here. Blood, gore, lost limbs were fine, until this scene showed up and they though it was "too much".
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
where's ninja gaiden 4 tho
koei is fucking up my life
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ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Much easier to do in lawless forums like modding and pirating communities, that's for sure
Lots of fun shenanigans though
Tesseract
Banned
for certain, my time at khanacademy made me wish for darker days
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Sounds like your wish was granted if I meandered your way
Richard Packer
Gold Member
where's ninja gaiden 4 tho
koei is fucking up my life
Hopefully we get Bayonetta 3 this year.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
They're all good.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Why do you guys spam that gif so much? You hate women that much smh even brap is disturbed by this.
Koei? They are just the publishers. Greedy ones at that.where's ninja gaiden 4 tho
koei is fucking up my life
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
It's an anime about aliens who have super powers fighting each other
Don't look into it too hard
O-N-E
Member
Current state of the psychosphere:
I started it in this thread as an accurate depiction of the kind of violence Dick Packer deserved to the face for his bullshit.
I started it in this thread as an accurate depiction of the kind of violence Dick Packer deserved to the face for his bullshit.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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