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[Blond]

Yes.

Bro, the 360 basically stomped Sony into the ground last generation. Sony doesn't want a repeat of that, at all. The amount of changes to the PS3 development SDK and kits to making coding anything less than a nightmare only really saw benefits near the end of the generation.

There's a reason why they leaned so heavily on exclusives and it worked. They ripped me away from the Xbox brand when the best game they had on offer that year was Halo ODLC vs Uncharted 2, Demons Souls, Infamous, Killzone 2, ratchet and clank future.

Not to mention Kinect vs Heavy Rain, Resistance 3, Modnation Racers, God of War 3, Yakuza games etc. 2009 was the year they stopped fucking around and it put them in this position. Let's not act like Microsoft's fuck ups from 09-13 didn't position Sony to be a juggernaut because it definitely did.

 

[WatDat]

Won't change things that much though. Everybody will buy a ps5 anyway, latest poll is more than 80 / 20. Xbox should just give up and go 3rd party at this point.

I guess the sad part about this forum is that I GENUINELY can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[WatDat]

I guess the sad part about this forum is that I GENUINELY can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BTW, I just spent an hour playing Tetris Effect on my PS4 PRO......................so pick your nose with that finger you were about to use to *click* and report me as a console warrior or whatever. I just want a good chunk of y'all to at least attempt to grow up a bit. Make This Forum Great Again or whatever. HAHA

 

[Connificent]

Damn, those Sony bastards are gonna pay for fucking up my Xbox!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Bro, the 360 basically stomped Sony into the ground last generation. Sony doesn't want a repeat of that, at all. The amount of changes to the PS3 development SDK and kits to making coding anything less than a nightmare only really saw benefits near the end of the generation.

There's a reason why they leaned so heavily on exclusives and it worked. They ripped me away from the Xbox brand when the best game they had on offer that year was Halo ODLC vs Uncharted 2, Demons Souls, Infamous, Killzone 2, ratchet and clank future.

Not to mention Kinect vs Heavy Rain, Resistance 3, Modnation Racers, God of War 3, Yakuza games etc. 2009 was the year they stopped fucking around and it put them in this position, let's not act like Microsoft's fuck ups from 09-13 didn't position Sony to be a juggernaut because it definitely did.

360 did well the 1st half of the last gen but then PS3 ran away with it.
No stomping was involved.

 

[KingT731]

Do you remember Tomb Raider timed deal? There was LOUD howling about how it was the worst thing in the world. It's only OK if Sony is doing it.

This was because they tried to dance around it being exclusive for a year.

 

[LarknThe4th]

Sony has a pretty tight "understanding" with Square so I guess the rumours of FFXVI have some validity

Maybe they will even wall off the entire FFVII remake project to Sony systems?

 

[Kokoloko85]

IMO publishers want to sell full price copies of games not end up on GamePass.
Same reason you don't see Hollywood blockbusters premiere on Netflix.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are each going into their own direction. As a gamer you now have the choice which of those business models suits you.

Exactly. Different models.
People think Gamepass is some trojan horse than will beat the current gaming model and catch Playstation and Nintendo by surprise and win Xbox the gaming war or something.

Even if every xbox owner got gamepass, it still wouldn't be able to fund all the studios to make new games and pay 3rd party.

It would have to be able to fund all 1st and 2nd party developement.... (Halo infinite is costing over 1/4 of a Billion at least)
And then it would have to pay 3rd party to develope there games.... never gonna happen Unless it kills half the game Studios and budget Needed.

Alot of Xbox fans keeps saying Xbox doesnt care about Xbox sales and they are concentrating on gamepass. So why do the same fans care if Playstation is actually going after 3rd party studios who want to sell there games on a platform and not just be a part of gamepass?
Xbox is about gamepass so why care?
The 360 basically started the timed exclusive stuff. DLC timed exclusive multiplayer maps with Cod lol

 

[MasterCornholio]

Damn, those Sony bastards are gonna pay for fucking up my Xbox!

And what are you going to do about it?

 

[Kokoloko85]

Without GOTY level games you get 3rd party games, and can you remind me of the GOTY games on Xbox to make this talk even relevant?

This is why I dont get The PC master Race arguement.
PS and Nintendo make GOTY equivalent games multiple times. Id rather have Nintendo and Playstation Exclusives gameplay wise then 3rd party games I already can own at max setting...

 

[Connificent]

And what are you going to do about it?

Tweet P3 about it.

 

[mckmas8808]

Bro, the 360 basically stomped Sony into the ground last generation. Sony doesn't want a repeat of that, at all. The amount of changes to the PS3 development SDK and kits to making coding anything less than a nightmare only really saw benefits near the end of the generation.

There's a reason why they leaned so heavily on exclusives and it worked. They ripped me away from the Xbox brand when the best game they had on offer that year was Halo ODLC vs Uncharted 2, Demons Souls, Infamous, Killzone 2, ratchet and clank future.

Not to mention Kinect vs Heavy Rain, Resistance 3, Modnation Racers, God of War 3, Yakuza games etc. 2009 was the year they stopped fucking around and it put them in this position, let's not act like Microsoft's fuck ups from 09-13 didn't position Sony to be a juggernaut because it definitely did.

Does anybody know what this person means with the bolded section?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Tweet P3 about it.

Your going to have to do better than that.



Connificent : Hi I'm an Xbox consumer and I want you to stop taking away content from me.

Spoiler: Sony

Do not be upset. Buy a PlayStation.

 

[Bryank75]

This is why I dont get The PC master Race arguement.
PS and Nintendo make GOTY equivalent games multiple times. Id rather have Nintendo and Playstation Exclusives gameplay wise then 3rd party games I already can own at max setting...

PS5 and Switch FTW...

I used to game on PC but they just don't have the type of games I used to love when I was there.... C&C, Jagged Alliance, Ground Control, Operation Flashpoint, Homeworld etc....

 

[DarkMage619]

This was because they tried to dance around it being exclusive for a year.

Do these sorts of deals EVER come with an actual time period? "This game will be exclusive to Xbox for 6 months then it will be out on the PlayStation! Wait if you want!" Doesn't seem too likely.

 

[intheinbetween]

Won't change things that much though. Everybody will buy a ps5 anyway, latest poll is more than 80 / 20. Xbox should just give up and go 3rd party at this point.

Iirc back the in the 360/PS3 era, before both consoles were released the poll was 90/10 and we all know what happened

 

[Kokoloko85]

PS5 and Switch FTW...

I used to game on PC but they just don't have the type of games I used to love when I was there.... C&C, Jagged Alliance, Ground Control, Operation Flashpoint, Homeworld etc....

Same, I sometimes still game on my brothers PC. But I use to love the older niche games that wouldnt come to consoles. Kingpin, No1 lives forever, Vampire masquerade. Giants. Point and click games. RTS and old odd 1st person shooters lol. And Morrowind.

Now the best games are the indies. Nothing else is really exclusive to the PC, its mostly 3rd party games and studios that use to be console exclusive.
And the companies that have moved more towards consoles from PC have lost there touch like Bethesda and Blizzard

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

So, GT7, Horizon 2, Ratchet and Spider Morales are what? It really doesn't matter what you think about those games, but they're are coming from some of the top first party and They will launch between this an next year.

Horizon 2 is a heavy hitter, but that's most likely late 2021. The other 3 combined won't earn half as much revenue as Halo Infinite.

Sony knows this.

I think Sony wants to first 2 years to be as packed as possible in terms of releases because momentum can take over from there.

As Peter Moore always says "The first to 10 million wins".

 

[ChaoticBlue]

I think I will buy a PS5 for first and third party exclusives over xbox.

 

[Blond]

Does anybody know what this person means with the bolded section?

Financially, the Xbox division defintitely saw more income than Sony did especially with Kinect. Maybe by not the same line of think in this thread is but from a business standpoint Microsoft won last gen

 

[Kokoloko85]

Horizon 2 is a heavy hitter, but that's most likely late 2021. The other 3 combined won't earn half as much revenue as Halo Infinite.

Sony knows this.

I think Sony wants to first 2 years to be as packed as possible in terms of releases because momentum can take over from there.

As Peter Moore always says "The first to 10 million wins".

I think GT7 will move more consoles than GT sports did. GT does sell well normally and move consoles.
And Horizon is rumoured for first quarter 2021 I think

 

[WatDat]

Not gonna lie.....kinda diggin' MBAGAF lately.........

 

[Journey]

Something they didn't have to do with the PS4 since it had the more powerful hardware. Makes sense for them to do that now, they can lock in some features since they'll likely have the inferior ports, so something to make up for it.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Microsoft doesn't do exclusivity deals anymore. They quit several years ago. Now, if they want Gamepass exclusives they just buy studios outright.

Sony still does them though.

 

[idrago01]

I personally hate these exclusive contracts, it's all fun and games watching the xbox and playstation fans pillow fight, but when it starts affecting the release of games to PC

 

[mckmas8808]

Financially, the Xbox division defintitely saw more income than Sony did especially with Kinect. Maybe by not the same line of think in this thread is but from a business standpoint Microsoft won last gen

That's a weird way to describe a "winner" of a console generation, but thanks for that answer.

Microsoft doesn't do exclusivity deals anymore. They quit several years ago. Now, if they want Gamepass exclusives they just buy studios outright.

Sony still does them though.

So what are Stalker 2, The Medium, and The Gunk?

 

[MasterCornholio]

As Peter Moore always says "The first to 10 million wins".

Isn't that what the predictions are for Sony this holiday season?

 

[Kerotan]

As a consumer it's a war you'd be better off with if the manufacturers never fought it in the first place as you don't actually gain anything from the fight.

Typically this is a tit for tat; Sony buys exclusivity, MS does the same.. both platform owners lose out.. as these deals in general are not about creating new content, but removing content from competitors. If neither side did it, both sides would have more content for their customers.

Now granted, if Sony is paying for this shit and Microsoft has decided against even fighting that fight.. you I guess as a Sony only consumer don't really "lose" anything; but I don't really buy Imram's statement in the first place. MS clearly is money hatting some exclusivity and it only hurts Playstation gamers, it doesn't really help Xbox gamers. Same can be said for anything Sony is doing in this arena.

It's just really basic stuff.. this isn't a fight to "gain" things for your customers.. it's a fight to "remove" things from other customers.. that's.. not a good thing for consumers in general, even if you think your "side" is winning some war.

The war should be about producing content, services, and products that your customers benefit from. That's the fight we want these companies fighting.

I agree with you but we'll never live in a fantasy world where all companies just get along.

PS2 days Sony was the default platform for a lot of devs because xbox and Gcube sold peanuts.

MS had to force they way to relevance and paid massive money to secure basic 3rd party support. But they were also ultra aggressive in securing exclusive and timed exclusive deals such as cod dlc and gta 4.

This gen they continued as we seen with titanfall as an exclusive. But it was much harder this gen because Sony dominated from the chart and were much more counter aggressive.

Next gen Sony are making sure MS don't snap up all the best deals which they would if Sony stayed idle. As I said I'm very happy they're not because I play on playstation like most console players do.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Financially, the Xbox division defintitely saw more income than Sony did especially with Kinect. Maybe by not the same line of think in this thread is but from a business standpoint Microsoft won last gen

Hmm do you have a link with a breakdown cause I thought Sony still made more money last gen.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Isn't that what the predictions are for Sony this holiday season?

The point is that I think Sony views MS as a waaaaaay bigger threat this time. Without a constant stream of exclusives, I think Sony worries people might drift towards Halo Infinite (free to play) and GamePass. That's why I think Sony is spending so much money early on in the PS5s lifecycle.

 

[FranXico]

they just don't have the type of games I used to love when I was there.... C&C,

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[Bryank75]

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I believe it doesn't have Generals.... but TS would be fun.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

cool, that's kind of how it works in business. money runs things. this isn't a charity. nor some egalitarian race to prove games for all.

that said it is a marketing strategy that works. i for one am definitely buying a PS5 knowing the company puts money behind it's products.

 

[FranXico]

I believe it doesn't have Generals.... but TS would be fun.

It's just the two original 2D games... Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert. Pretty sure Genetals is on Steam though.

 

[Dr Bass]

For a $10 signup you got Halo, The Ascent, Crossfire X, The Medium, and and Scorn to go along with you brand new system.

Well, I'd pay 100 dollars for a game I actually wanted before I spent 10 dollars on games I felt were completely not worth any time whatsoever.

I still don't understand propping up all of these games that look entirely average and are completely unproven as some reason to get an Xbox. If they turn out to be world beaters then fine, but until then mentioning "Scorn" and "The Medium" as simply anything other than games coming out in the future ... I mean why do you think MS was so easily able to snatch them up?

This is seriously why MS seems to be spiraling downward right now with all of this. The argument continues to be "Hey you can play one hundred games for ten bucks!" without caring about what those games are. It's the same mentality as going to Taco Bell because you can get ten tacos for ten dollars. Hey it's a lot of food! But it's still completely disgusting and I would happily pay way more money for actually good food.

I feel like this whole discussion is just getting out of control. Game Pass doesn't have a lot of subscribers. And most of those subscribers were certainly attained with the 1 dollar deal. It also doesn't have great exclusive games on the service. And yet it's constantly touted as THE reason to get an Xbox. Great software is a reason to buy a console. Xbox does not have great software right now. I mean, do some people think sales numbers are what they are because consumers are wrong about what they want?

Again, why in the hell would I go eat Taco Bell meat when I'm happily eating Japanese Wagyu?

 

[Gediminas]

Horizon 2 is a heavy hitter, but that's most likely late 2021. The other 3 combined won't earn half as much revenue as Halo Infinite.

Sony knows this.

I think Sony wants to first 2 years to be as packed as possible in terms of releases because momentum can take over from there.

As Peter Moore always says "The first to 10 million wins".

pure comedy, thanks for laugh.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The point is that I think Sony views MS as a waaaaaay bigger threat this time. Without a constant stream of exclusives, I think Sony worries people might drift towards Halo Infinite (free to play) and GamePass. That's why I think Sony is spending so much money early on in the PS5s lifecycle.

The only issue that I see with Halo is that it's a FTP game that will have low system requirements on PC. I don't think it will sell as many systems as you think it will. Which isn't the point of a Microsofts strategy by the way.

I think it's more of a combination of gamepass with the Series S that wm cause problems for Sony rather than Halo Infinite and the Series X.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Well, I'd pay 100 dollars for a game I actually wanted before I spent 10 dollars on games I felt were completely not worth any time whatsoever.

I still don't understand propping up all of these games that look entirely average and are completely unproven as some reason to get an Xbox. If they turn out to be world beaters then fine, but until then mentioning "Scorn" and "The Medium" as simply anything other than games coming out in the future ... I mean why do you think MS was so easily able to snatch them up?

This is seriously why MS seems to be spiraling downward right now with all of this. The argument continues to be "Hey you can play one hundred games for ten bucks!" without caring about what those games are. It's the same mentality as going to Taco Bell because you can get ten tacos for ten dollars. Hey it's a lot of food! But it's still completely disgusting and I would happily pay way more money for actually good food.

I feel like this whole discussion is just getting out of control. Game Pass doesn't have a lot of subscribers. And most of those subscribers were certainly attained with the 1 dollar deal. It also doesn't have great exclusive games on the service. And yet it's constantly touted as THE reason to get an Xbox. Great software is a reason to buy a console. Xbox does not have great software right now. I mean, do some people think sales numbers are what they are because consumers are wrong about what they want?

Again, why in the hell would I go eat Taco Bell meat when I'm happily eating Japanese Wagyu?

Every game I listed is a game I want to play.

 

[NickFire]

The only issue that I see with Halo is that it's a FTP game that will have low system requirements on PC. I don't think it will sell as many systems as you think it will. Which isn't the point of a Microsofts strategy by the way.

I think it's more of a combination of gamepass with the Series S that wm cause problems for Sony rather than Halo Infinite and the Series X.

I think gamepass is close to irrelevant to Sony's market share next generation. Its a great option for those who want it, but so far I'm not convinced it will be moving the needle in terms of hardware market share.

Now Series S is a whole different beast. I'm not a fan of how Series S and cross gen appears to be affecting next gen (Craig as an example), but I still think a 200 Series S could be real game changer if they go there and it includes a controller. A lot of people will go into the stores for a specific brand. But for those looking for a gift, Series S may be hard to pass up if priced right.

 

[MasterCornholio]

But for those looking for a gift, Series S may be hard to pass up if priced right.

300$ is going to be tempting for alot of people. Especially if Gamepass is included for free for a couple of months.

 

[Unknown?]

I think gamepass is close to irrelevant to Sony's market share next generation. Its a great option for those who want it, but so far I'm not convinced it will be moving the needle in terms of hardware market share.

Now Series S is a whole different beast. I'm not a fan of how Series S and cross gen appears to be affecting next gen (Craig as an example), but I still think a 200 Series S could be real game changer if they go there and it includes a controller. A lot of people will go into the stores for a specific brand. But for those looking for a gift, Series S may be hard to pass up if priced right.

The One S is still $299. You really think they will make a brand new console for $199? If they wanted to be aggressive and lose money why didn't they do that with the X1?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The only issue that I see with Halo is that it's a FTP game that will have low system requirements on PC. I don't think it will sell as many systems as you think it will. Which isn't the point of a Microsofts strategy by the way.

I think it's more of a combination of gamepass with the Series S that wm cause problems for Sony rather than Halo Infinite and the Series X.

Whatever it is, I think Sony respects XBox in a way we haven't seen since the 360. Money hatting is the quickest way to be viewed as the superior console by the masses without relying on your own studios.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Whatever it is, I think Sony respects XBox in a way we haven't seen since the 360. Money hatting is the quickest way to be viewed as the superior console by the masses without relying on your own studios.

Read the link HERE. i don't want to retype it.
As i already explained in a previous post, Money Hatting is CHEAPER when your competitor is struggling. Sony is going on a money hatting spree because this is the equivalent of a Steam Christmas Sale. Third parties are expecting far less profits porting to Xbox, this Sony can pay less than usual for timed exclusives.

This is not Sony respecting Microsoft; this is Sony throwing rocks down at Xbox Division when it is trapped in a well. Money Hatting is at its most efficient when you know your competitor is behind.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Bro, the 360 basically stomped Sony into the ground last generation. Sony doesn't want a repeat of that, at all. The amount of changes to the PS3 development SDK and kits to making coding anything less than a nightmare only really saw benefits near the end of the generation.

There's a reason why they leaned so heavily on exclusives and it worked. They ripped me away from the Xbox brand when the best game they had on offer that year was Halo ODLC vs Uncharted 2, Demons Souls, Infamous, Killzone 2, ratchet and clank future.

Not to mention Kinect vs Heavy Rain, Resistance 3, Modnation Racers, God of War 3, Yakuza games etc. 2009 was the year they stopped fucking around and it put them in this position, let's not act like Microsoft's fuck ups from 09-13 didn't position Sony to be a juggernaut because it definitely did.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but 360 was famous for piracy. Around the globe PS3 was the obvious dominant, but you find some xbox 360 to buy pirated games on release as low as $1.3-2.6 USD. Don't get fooled by the sales numbers, and even that failure generation has surpassed Xbox 360 and was way more beneficial due to PS3 being solid and unhackable so people just buy genuine games = more mony to Sony.

And the "US" sales are mostly consoles directed around the globe in the gray market. If you look at it from the full perspective xbox one, the flop, is more successful financially than 360.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

NO, fact is, we would still be using graphics chips designed by hitachi if Nintendo and MS didn't push for GPU tech.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Read the link HERE. i don't want to retype it.
As i already explained in a previous post, Money Hatting is CHEAPER when your competitor is struggling. Sony is going on a money hatting spree because this is the equivalent of a Steam Christmas Sale. Third parties are expecting far less profits porting to Xbox, this Sony can pay less than usual for timed exclusives.

This is not Sony respecting Microsoft; this is Sony throwing rocks down at Xbox Division when it is trapped in a well. Money Hatting is at its most efficient when you know your competitor is behind.

That would make sense if, and only if...

We didn't see XBox struggle so mightily over the last 6 years.

Now MS invests a ton of money into new studios, and is doing something really special with GamePass. Plus, it looks like they made a really smart move with a cheaper next gen XBox.

MS isn't getting weaker. They're getting stronger moving forward.

And only NOW has Sony money hatting started.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

That would make sense if, and only if...

We didn't see XBox struggle so mightily over the last 6 years.

Now MS invests a ton of money into new studios, and is doing something really special with GamePass. Plus, it looks like they made a really smart move with a cheaper next gen XBox.

MS isn't getting weaker. They're getting stronger moving forward.

And only NOW has Sony money hatting started.

Nothing you said had shown up in the balance sheet. Third Party Studios are not expecting any dramatic increase in earnings from their Xbox ports, and that means they will charge less for PS5 exclusivity. Any improvements that you are expecting from Xbox would not show fruit for multiple years, and thus this is the exact time for Sony to buy timed exclusives.

The best way to improve is to acknowledge you need improving. If you think Xbox is doing fine then good luck to you, the rest of the market will go on.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Nothing you said had shown up in the balance sheet. Third Party Studios are not expecting any dramatic increase in earnings from their Xbox ports, and that means they will charge less for PS5 exclusivity. Any improvements that you are expecting from Xbox would not show fruit for multiple years, and thus this is the exact time for Sony to buy timed exclusives.

The best way to improve is to acknowledge you need improving. If you think Xbox is doing fine then good luck to you, the rest of the market will go on.

And yet, XBox was in an objectively inferior position over the last 6 years, than they will be over the next two.

Where were the Sony money hats? Your theory isn't adding up.

Plus, if you think about it, Sony is starting back at square one with the launch of the PS5. Money hats would be waaaaaay cheaper with 100 million PS4s on the market as opposed to 15 million PS5s on the market.

 

[MasterCornholio]

This is not Sony respecting Microsoft; this is Sony throwing rocks down at Xbox Division when it is trapped in a well. Money Hatting is at its most efficient when you know your competitor is

Definitely what's going on. Sony isn't going to be nice and care about Xbox consumers. Microsoft would be doing the same if they could but those deals might be alot more expensive for them to make.

 

[Jigsaah]

Cutthroat for sure, but I mean let's not forget they offered MORE money than Microsoft. So the anti-consumer tactic is being used by both sides. I mean you can't blame Sony for winning a battle that both sides are actively participating in.