Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)

Man how deluded can you be. The competition feels the need to invest in a cheaper alternative to its hardware. Logic dictates that the premium option is going to be, you know, premium? It's not going to be cheaper than the PS5.

As far as the more powerful console goes, well, yeah, obviously. But no one is going to care if the PS5 has to run its games at 1900p (assuming it actually struggles to reach native)
 
martino said:
you post cleaned my eyes
exclusives don't tell al the story too
price matter too
people choose based on a different mix/proportion of a lot of different parameters.
but having a "parameters" as an argument for your product can only help.
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Absolutely!

It's why I happily sit through objectively boring stuff like Cerny's presentation and DF deep dives, and why I follow leaks and rumours like this thread's basis.

When people start getting emotionally attached to the speculation and have some weird need for their 'side' to always be seen as the winner, that's where it stops being fun for me, and is no longer useful in allowing us to see the big picture more clearly.
 
Calverz said:



Guess we gotta preare for the digital foundry comparisons.
Lock if old.
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LOL we have a guy who mods on ERA and gives snippets of CAPCOM stuff of agme that is 60 % in development, and now he nows about pricing of all consoles and performance of all 3rd party games.

Insiders sigh, what a load of crap.

Mister Wolf said:
Ok. Just your theory.
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Nope Capcom have said its 60 % done on twitter.

Dusk is a you tuber who also mods on ERA and sometimes claims insider stuff on capcom type games.

How the fuck would he know Sony and MS hardware pricing.

Hilarious.
 
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That's not new, insider guy. We've heard this many times before about the possibility of PS5 being more expensive than Series X.
 
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Stilton Disco said:
There's no evidence because there are no real world equivalents for direct comparison until both systems are out.

We can compare the difference between two similar GPU's, which have generally shown a smaller performance gap than raw TF difference, but without the two systems bespoke dev tools, system software and custom hardware, it's an apples to oranges comparison.

Now I don't for one second think this will mean the raw power gap between the two won't exist, because no amount of efficiency is going to make up for the power difference we know of currently.

But that doesn't mean the more esoteric design of the PS5 can't deliver better games than the XSX can. It's a weird system in many ways, and we've already seen from Ratchet and Clank that it can deliver gameplay and visuals not possible on MS's platform.
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How's that? Why is not possible for XSX deliver that? What makes PS5 so special?

Have you worked for both platforms to make such statement?


Whether third parties will bother to use that tech is anyones guess though, and it may be that all PS5 multiplat releases are just flat out worse than XSX.
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Exclusive deals might count with specific PS5/XBX dev tools? On the other hand, standard multi titles won't

Do no expect third parties squeezing the platforms's capabilities, they don't need to do that if tuning them is so specific
 
I was surprised at little the difference was in some games between the ps4 and the xbox one so if the difference is around half as little then I'm sure the ps5 versions will need a lot of comparison videos and screenshots to differentiate the 2 versions.
 
Early 2020: "AH, the Series X is much more powerful, PS5 will look like trash in comparison"
May 2020: "Well, it's not like PS5 will have much better. Next-gen games won't look more impressive"
June 2020: "Just you wait, MS's July games will look better AND run cross-gen"
July 2020: "Halo: Infinite is an old build! Anyway the Sony show wasn't much better!"
August 2020: "This guy's twitter says the xbox x is stronger"
 
Tulipanzo said:
Early 2020: "AH, the Series X is much more powerful, PS5 will look like trash in comparison"
May 2020: "Well, it's not like PS5 will have much better. Next-gen games won't look more impressive"
June 2020: "Just you wait, MS's July games will look better AND run cross-gen"
July 2020: "Halo: Infinite is an old build! Anyway the Sony show wasn't much better!"
August 2020: "This guy's twitter says the xbox x is stronger"
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This You tuber who now mods era as his channel is not popular anymore.... - he is not a dev and never been a dev and how would he be the only you tuber in teh world to know hardware pricing.

For real ?
 
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The pixel shading performance (TF) delta is 17%. On top of that, PS5 should have better rasterization performance due to higher clocks. So yes, it should have slightly worse performance at the same resolutions, but there's really no realistic reason why it should "struggle" at 4K while the XSX does not. Actually, more accurately I think both of them will struggle at 4K in proper next gen games. 4K60 is realistic for upresed cross-gen games, but not for AAA games built to make the most of the new machines.
 
Mister Wolf said:
I got a theory too. RE7 was 65% done in June then released 6 months later. See how that works.
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So we have a larger game that isn't as far along in development, in a climate where productivity everywhere has been impacted, but you still think there's a chance it's going to launch in the same timeframe as RE7?


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geordiemp said:


I am a you tuber, please look at me

Please watch my gaming streams.

Thank you.
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1, He does not have a girlfriend. That is an obvious lie. (at least not one that is 1, human and 2, alive)
2, He should not be allowed around house animals unattended.
 
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intheinbetween said:
How's that? Why is not possible for XSX deliver that? What makes PS5 so special?

Have you worked for both platforms to make such statement?
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I'm deferring to the expertise of places like DF and NX Gamer from their analysis. The speed of loading between environments is something even top of the range gaming PC's, that far exceed the capabilities of the XSX, can't even do right now.

It's why I'm ambivalent towards PS5 being underpowered compared to the XSX.

After a rather dull generation of both camps being almost identical PC based machines, with the only real interest for me at this point coming from Switch ports, the prospect of next gen having entirely different approaches to their hardware is great news, even if the PS5 suffers in the resolution stakes.
 
Like it or not, it's a promotion tactitc... Most people are casual gamers, that purchase consoles for FIFA, COD, Ass Creed, Cyberpunk, etc. The more powerful slogan is a lure.
Sony did the same thing with the PS4.
 
geordiemp said:


I am a you tuber, please look at me

Please watch my gaming streams.

Thank you.
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It's not even that. People need to realize the limit of some source's knowledge.

Grubb knows about events, but he has no clue about what MS may or may not want to lose on hardware, or the XSS's price.
DF has some tech info, they don't know price still.
This guy has contacts within the industry so he might know about some titles being made; however, he's not a next-gen developer, and his info about stuff is very third hand.

His own language suggests taking his info with a gran of salt, and people are parading him as proof their system is superior.
It's sad, and as I noted above a major stepback from the kind of "power gap" we were promised.
 
Kagey K said:
Too many strawmen here.

The X was still constrained by the XB1 and the PS4. The same will happen to the PS5 and Series X.

If you actually believe 3rd parties arent going to be making games for last gen systems until the next ones hit a certain number you are fucking delusional.

You obviously missed the differences in RDR2 and what they could do between the 2 systems.

Most Sony exclusives only hit about 6 million before they start bundling, even if the person never plays it it counts as a sale.

They can't even hit 10% most of the time when they release an exclusive, but everyone wants us to believe that's what really matters.
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This is funny. Go back and watch the digital foundry comparison of Call of Duty Ghosts on the xb1 and ps4......
geordiemp said:
LOL we have a guy who mods on ERA and gives snippets of CAPCOM stuff of agme that is 60 % in development, and now he nows about pricing of all consoles and performance of all 3rd party games.

Insiders sigh, what a load of crap.



Nope Capcom have said its 60 % done on twitter.

Dusk is a you tuber who also mods on ERA and sometimes claims insider stuff on capcom type games.

How the fuck would he know Sony and MS hardware pricing.

Hilarious.
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He leaked the re8 village stuff and the fact ono was punted off SF6 project so I'd believe him over you 😂
 
It doesn't matter. MS has dropped the ball, by the time they have exclusives out to show this properly Sony can just release a Pro console.

Xbox X is more powerful than the Pro but show me a MS exclusive that looks as good or has production values like TLOU2.

Spider-Man DLC on PS5 will look better than anything on Series X at launch so it's a moot point.
 
PS5 will have fake 4K, but it's the only system where I've seen native 4K running with RT, where as the true 4K machine is M.I.A in real-time.......Strange this one isn't it?

And please, I absolutely detest people spreading BS, that's clearly not logical and Jiving and when people call them out, they refer to them as toxic...We should all just drink this coolaid and declare it the finest ale in all of Northumbria....
 
Stilton Disco said:
I'm deferring to the expertise of places like DF and NX Gamer from their analysis. The speed of loading between environments is something even top of the range gaming PC's, that far exceed the capabilities of the XSX, can't even do right now.
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I really doubt that, but I would like to add that IF a high-end PC can run that loading as you said, XSX will too, based on the specs I can't see why it couldn't

Also, there is no XSX game DF or other media could analyze, therefore you can't say XSX can or cannot do

It's why I'm ambivalent towards PS5 being underpowered compared to the XSX.

After a rather dull generation of both camps being almost identical PC based machines, with the only real interest for me at this point coming from Switch ports, the prospect of next gen having entirely different approaches to their hardware is great news, even if the PS5 suffers in the resolution stakes.
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They don't have that different approaches, it's just MS went for power no matter the budget, while Sony had to find their ways to show their console is on par if not more powerful, but based on specs, it isn't, actually if it were able to run the CPU/GPU at max freqs all the time, then they wouldn't call it like they did, and face it, less CUs, less performance.
 
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4k vs 1800(ish) upscaled? That fine, only DF would be able to point out the differences. I'm sure Sony has worked on checker boarding too. I can't believe people are saying wait for DF comparisons, who tf cares? If you need them to point out the differences , because you can't see them, to make you feel better about your purchase you're very insecure.
 
MrFunSocks said:
2TF vs 0.5TF. If something needs 1TF more power than the PS5 has it doesn't matter what the percentage difference is, just how much power there is.
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MrFunSocks said:
I guess you still think that percentages are the be all and end all.

the percentage difference is smaller but the actual difference in power levels is bigger. You can do more with an extra 2TF than you can with a smaller difference.
Think about it this way - if I have $5 and you have $10 you have 100% more than me. You can buy something else worth an extra $5. If I have $5mil and you have $8mil, you only have 60% more than me, but you can buy a shitload more with an extra $3mil than you can with $5.
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Jesus Christ, you reminded me why I usually avoid threads like this. Off I go.
 
Monkeygourmet said:
It doesn't matter. MS has dropped the ball, by the time they have exclusives out to show this properly Sony can just release a Pro console.

Xbox X is more powerful than the Pro but show me a MS exclusive that looks as good or has production values like TLOU2.

Spider-Man DLC on PS5 will look better than anything on Series X at launch so it's a moot point.
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That's why Sony dont need to win GPU power battle. They have the best developers and we will see the best looking games on PS5 anyway. On the other hand MS has GPU power advantage, yet games like Halo Infinite looks disappointing.
 
-Arcadia- said:
(Doubt)

PS5 components, outside of the SSD, seem to have been selected to keep the price down. The entire sense I get from their unique way of handling their clocks is maximum value from components selected with a somewhat mainstream-acceptable price in mind.
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Umm, I am not really sure about that, they are pushing certain things way up, where they are not even on PC like that. And cooling is going to be expensive. But than again that metal piece in Xbox Series X cannot be cheap, I me that between mother-daugter boards.
 
"Struggles with 4K" is a bit hard to contextualize since we don't know what kind of scene the PS5 is supposedly rendering that it "struggles" with. Sure the Xbox is "stronger" on paper in terms of the GPU, but I find it hard to believe that the difference is going to be that large in real world gameplay. In the end, come November, we'll see who ends up being right, and who was bullshitting.
 
llien said:
44% more CUs...

Even if you compare peak to guarnteed, 20%+ tflops advantage.

That's one GPU tier gap.

"Humble", chuckle.
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I'm most interested in seeing how that 44% translates to raytracing performance. Hopefully the next gen version of Control releases this year so we can find out.
 
I don't see how the PS5 will be problematically weaker than the Xbox Series X; it's only 15.4% slower.

(10.28/12.15) x 100 = 0.846090535 x 100 = 84.6090535% -> 84.6% -> 100% - 84.6% = 15.4%

Hence, it should be able to run at 4K the same games that the Xbox Series X can run at 4K but with textures that have slightly lower resolutions and with slightly less NPCs and post processing effects on screen.

This rumor sounds like bollocks. People act as if the XSX is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 5, but that's not the case at all.
 
Native 4k is not sustainable for either the PS5 or the XSX come mid gen and beyond.
We´ll be looking at gorgeous ~1440p games with some sort of upscaling that no one that hasn`t his monitor glued to his eye lids will be able to discern from native 4k anyways.
 
intheinbetween said:
I really doubt that, but I would like to add that IF a high-end PC can run that loading as you said, XSX will too, based on the specs I can't see why it couldn't

Also, there is no XSX game DF or other media could analyze, therefore you can't say XSX can or cannot do.
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That's the thing, it had nothing to do with power, it's instead down to the asset loading speed, which is what Cerny made a huge fuss about and why they went with an insanely fast SSD, higher clocks and more bespoke hardware set up.

It gets dumbed down on both sides to just 'SSD magic', but the fact is we have already seen a game running on a PS5 the that does something no other hardware can right now, neatly demonstrating what this technology is capable of.

I really recommend going through the various videos on YouTube talking about this stuff, because it genuinely does help explain what on Earth Sony were thinking with the PS5 design, and what cool things are possible with it.

It's then up to you as to whether you think it's worth the trade off with probable lower resolutions however.
 
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Another one back peddles on the anti Sony Rhetoric?

I don't believe that the PS5 has been built around cheap components or that they've designed the console to target a lower price point. To me, it seems that Cerny has designed the console from the ground up so it can compete with higher end pc gaming rigs
 
I think it far more likely than not that DLSS-style high quality reconstruction techniques will become more common in the years to come, so res wont be the hot-button issue that it was. Hell the best examples of PS4 CBR are pretty close to native quality already, and you'd expect that a PS5 version of the same would be better due to being able to render at a higher base res.
 
pawel86ck said:
Cant you understant what variable clock means, or are you just blind😀🤔?
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Do you understand? Looks like with variable clocks you tap and squeeze more than you can do with locked clocks. It was mentioned many times, with locked clocks, some power will be left on the table
 
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Why is it if Xbox says something it's pr but if Cerny says something it's gospel. He said game Dev time will shorten due to how awesome the PS4 is. He also basically said the ps4pro was 8tf cause of the awesome power of fp16. Can it not be possible he is just saying what he's told about clocks and like most salesmen just talking about best case scenario?
 
Werewolfgrandma said:
Why is it if Xbox says something it's pr but if Cerny says something it's gospel. He said game Dev time will shorten due to how awesome the PS4 is. He also basically said the ps4pro was 8tf cause of the awesome power of fp16. Can it not be possible he is just saying what he's told about clocks and like most salesmen just talking about best case scenario?
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Why would the lead architect of the console have to be told what clocks his console will run at?
 
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Werewolfgrandma said:
Why is it if Xbox says something it's pr but if Cerny says something it's gospel. He said game Dev time will shorten due to how awesome the PS4 is. He also basically said the ps4pro was 8tf cause of the awesome power of fp16. Can it not be possible he is just saying what he's told about clocks and like most salesmen just talking about best case scenario?
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Cerny is a nerd and engineer. He made marble madness when he was a kid and has helped build RDNA and RDNA2 with AMD. The fp16 and checkerboard rendering have been used on the Xbox and PC.

Whereas Spencer has said the xsx is the most powerful console, both shows will blow us away, there will be 5 mic drop moments, the games are coming, exclusives don't matter, exclusives do matter, generations do matter, generations don't matter...

Can you see the difference?
 
llien said:
44% more CUs...

Even if you compare peak to guarnteed, 20%+ tflops advantage.

That's one GPU tier gap.

"Humble", chuckle.
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The advantage is no more than 20% and that's not even considering that the PS5's higher clock has advantages over the Seriexe's lower clock.
That ain't shit compared to the performance difference in the previous gen.
I know your whole world view revolves about being "the most powerful", now you have the "best launch lineup ever" too and can be "very confident".
Good luck.
 
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