MrFunSocks
Banned
2TF vs 0.5TF. If something needs 1TF more power than the PS5 has it doesn't matter what the percentage difference is, just how much power there is.
Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
CuNi
Member
Do you even read OPs?
In the other thread, he said PS5 struggled even in 1080p in current RE8 build due to engine or other constraints, but those will be easily fixed until release and it will run fine on both systems.
If you attack him, at least use informed arguments.
Kagey K
Banned
They don't count, because reasons....
Xbox Series X More Powerful Than PS5, Claims Devs Of Exclusive The Gunk
The Gunk developers say Xbox was the only choice.screenrant.com
Scorn Will Run at 4K/60 FPS on Xbox Series X, Director Confirms TechPlusGame
The director of Scorn, Ljubomir Peklar, has confirmed that the game will run in 4K resolution at 60 frames per second on Xbox Series X.techplusgame.com
MrFunSocks
Banned
2TF difference > 0.5TF difference. Everything doesn't work on percentages lol.
longdi
Banned
It is not unusual for a project to over-run its budget, and PS5 seems the case to me.
Whoever managed the Series X hardware project, just seems to do better this turn.
ANIMAL1975
Member
I wonder what happened with Halo... did 313 got this powerful and more easy to code devkits, later than Capcom and the other devs that Golem knows?
Elog
Member
In glorious news! This post gets the price for 'Most ignorant comment of the month'. And GAF has some very tough competition in that department. Congrats MrFunSocks!
Killer Sakoman
Member
Capcom already went Next-Gen only. EA games Battlefield and Dragon Age will be Next-gen Only. Bethesda's Starfield is Next-Gen only. Shadow Worrior 3 is Next-Gen only. All are expected to be 2021 games. 3rd parties won't stick with current gen. Only Phill Spencer is sticking with Xone.
Kagey K
Banned
Same thing is going to happen to a bunch of games, or they will stick to the timeline and release too early.
Either way we all lose.
alstrike
Member
I guess you skipped a lot of math back in school right?
Kagey K
Banned
I don't think that's accurate.
Mister Wolf
Member
TheAssist
Member
They are stronger in CU counts and therefore TF numbers. But as many people have pointed out the gpu does not only exist of CU's. They are a part of it and the TF number is meaningless without knowing all the other stuff.
With RAM speeds its also hard to tell, since they have a split pool, so its partly a positive, partly a negative. SSD is no competition.
So we will see how all comes together in real life performance.
I dont trust the "most powerful console" mantra yet. I need to see it to believe it and they couldnt show anything yet.
At least Sony waited with their most powerful console thing til after they've shown games on it (during the PS4 era I mean).
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's now how it's measured.
Round the numbers to 2TF and 1TF.
PS4 would have DOUBLE the amount of TF compared to the Xbox One.
Even though PS5 has two less TF than XSX, it's not anywhere near 50% less in TF count.
You don't know how scaling works, which is why you're comparing these two figures. Comparing GTX 2070 Super vs GTX 2080 Super gap is around 20% and the performance gap is not big at all.
These are the facts.
Stilton Disco
Member
Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but haven't we had months of devs talking about how easy the PS5 is to develop for, with better tools and ease of accessing the systems power than the XSX?
Given that pretty much everything we saw at the PS5 Showcase was running on actual PS5 hardware, while possibly everything at the XSS/X one was on PC, if not flat out just CGI for a game barely in production, it seems a bit of a leap to suddenly believe MS's machine is just leagues better than Sony's with most Devs finding the former a breeze and latter a nightmare to create on suddenly.
It may well be true of course, but I find it suspicious given that this all comes from one random guy on twitter, pretty much the day after Xbox had to delay Halo Infinite due to very obvious development problems, as well as speculation Fable was basically vaporware.
It's all a little bit too convenient.
Given that pretty much everything we saw at the PS5 Showcase was running on actual PS5 hardware, while possibly everything at the XSS/X one was on PC, if not flat out just CGI for a game barely in production, it seems a bit of a leap to suddenly believe MS's machine is just leagues better than Sony's with most Devs finding the former a breeze and latter a nightmare to create on suddenly.
It may well be true of course, but I find it suspicious given that this all comes from one random guy on twitter, pretty much the day after Xbox had to delay Halo Infinite due to very obvious development problems, as well as speculation Fable was basically vaporware.
It's all a little bit too convenient.
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BlueXImpulse
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I wouldn't be surprised if third party are too lazy to do extra work to get 4K on PS5 by using slightly less effects or shadows or aliasing and so on. FUD Golem is implying that the PS5 is not capable of true 4K which we know is not true. Third party devs being lazy or incompetent means nothing about the hardware
existensmaximum
Member
Yeah well, great power without great games is a waste. Also, if that power isn't put to good use it's also a waste.
Much care, attention and optimization is required to bring out the most out of a console - just look at The Last of Us 2 which to me is the best looking video game ever made. The Xbox One X doesn't have anything that comes close in my opinion, and the same could be true for the PS5 vs XSX.
Now, if it had any exclusives that really took advantage of the hardware it would be different, but it doesn't.
Numbers don't mean much really. It's like bragging that you have a 10 inch cock but never using it since you're ugly and can't get girls to fuck you.
I mean, I'd rather have a 7 inch cock and being able to get girls. It's more than enough
Much care, attention and optimization is required to bring out the most out of a console - just look at The Last of Us 2 which to me is the best looking video game ever made. The Xbox One X doesn't have anything that comes close in my opinion, and the same could be true for the PS5 vs XSX.
Now, if it had any exclusives that really took advantage of the hardware it would be different, but it doesn't.
Numbers don't mean much really. It's like bragging that you have a 10 inch cock but never using it since you're ugly and can't get girls to fuck you.
I mean, I'd rather have a 7 inch cock and being able to get girls. It's more than enough
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Kagey K
Banned
K?
I don't know what to say as nothing can be proven or disproven at this point?
Hopefully it works out for you.
PresetError
Neophyte
It's very clear to me this Dusk Golem guy is spreading second hand information being fed to him by an interested party and he has a big mouth problem.
The PS5 being less powerful than the Series X is a given. This shouldn't surprise anybody. But saying the PS5 struggles with 4k when it's confortably more powerful than the Xbox One X is straight anti-Sony propaganda.
Also, I find very hard to believe Sony will price the PS5 higher than the Series X knowing beforehand it doesn't have the power advantage. In fact, if they didn't care about the Series X price tag we should know theirs by now.
The PS5 being less powerful than the Series X is a given. This shouldn't surprise anybody. But saying the PS5 struggles with 4k when it's confortably more powerful than the Xbox One X is straight anti-Sony propaganda.
Also, I find very hard to believe Sony will price the PS5 higher than the Series X knowing beforehand it doesn't have the power advantage. In fact, if they didn't care about the Series X price tag we should know theirs by now.
TheAssist
Member
Xbox Series X More Powerful Than PS5, Claims Devs Of Exclusive The Gunk
The Gunk developers say Xbox was the only choice.
So 2 devs who work on XSX exclusively and probably dont even have PS5 devkits (because why would they) say the console is good. Shocking. Also, if its so powerful, why do their games look like current gen I wonder.
MrFunSocks
Banned
I guess you still think that percentages are the be all and end all.
the percentage difference is smaller but the actual difference in power levels is bigger. You can do more with an extra 2TF than you can with a smaller difference.
Think about it this way - if I have $5 and you have $10 you have 100% more than me. You can buy something else worth an extra $5. If I have $5mil and you have $8mil, you only have 60% more than me, but you can buy a shitload more with an extra $3mil than you can with $5.
Next gen games will be more demanding than current gen games. Just because it has more power than a console that can do 4K doesn't mean every game can do 4K by default.
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pawel86ck
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What's so hard to understand? RE8 will be optimized to run at 4K dynamic on PS5.Oh. So first PS5 struggles with 1080p, and now narrative shifted to 4k
he is just a
PS5 GPU will not stay at 2.2GHz all the time, so it will be 18% performance gap in the best scenario.
Mister Wolf
Member
You do know what they have access to. Your feelings aren't facts.
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Venom Snake
Member
The gap between ps5 and XsX suggests such a possibility. Sadly, I conclude from the last MS show that it will be the only gap in favor of the XsX for at least some time. It's a pity because I was counting on a bit more, everything that could interest me exists as ideas and plans for now.
TheAssist
Member
Thats the point. I'm just tired of this whole one thing is more powerful than the other and people saying it like we know it for a fact when we simply dont. Maybe in a few month and then we can go around bashing the whoever loses.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
10TF can be achieved if they devs want it.
Xbox community have a strange habit of just spreading misinformation.
Kagey K
Banned
Do you want them to push 4K/framerate or effects?
Don't get mad cuz it can't do all 3.
Sony might have fucked up this time, we won't know until they release, but it wouldn't be the first time the gambled and failed.
Kagey K
Banned
So we are on the same page then.
But it's going to be did Cerny lie about how much it's throttled, and can Xbox hold the sustained advantage.
The github leak is seeming more realistic as we get more numbers to compare to and Sony needs to do a breakdown now to stop the Rumor.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Have we taken FP16 into account yet though?!?
cormack12
Gold Member
I think they've probably just got the PC engine ported to both consoles and it plays a little more nicely with the Xbox right away, either because it has the raw grunt to overcome any performance issues or it plays nicer with their windows like abstraction. Like Cerny said there's probably a months worth of work to get things truly optimised and working on the differences on the PS5. There will be improvements for the Xbox as well - at the end of the day it might hit those peaks for a few hours gameplay but it might have other issues with AI, NPCs etc. Too vague really.
pawel86ck
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Cant you understant what variable clock mean, or are you just blind?
Show me where Mark Cerny said they cannot have maximum of 10TF of GPU power if they lower the CPU clocks.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Cant you understant what variable clock means, or are you just blind
How much percentage drop in frequency do you expect PS5 to drop pawel? You seem like one of the more knowledgeable members. I would like to know
Mister Wolf
Member
Why would we? They're both based on the same AMD CPU and GPU architecture. Its like asking if the 2080 can do something that the 2080ti cant.
DeadOblivion78
Banned
How fucking convenient that after Xbox has some bad news, all of a sudden now PS5 is in trouble. How very fucking convenient.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Judging by this thread, I guess Sony fans are gonna seethe every time DF comes out with video proof that a 3rd party game looks and runs better on the XSX. Oh boy.
farmerboy
Member
At this stage I'm willing to bet that the real world gap is smaller than this.
The IO, (variable) clocks and maybe Geometry Engines (we don't really know too much yet) will keep those 36cu more saturated for longer periods than XSX, thus the operational flops will be closer than what you think.
Faster and more efficient.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.
The 7 years of hell syndrome is strong in this one.
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PropellerEar
Member
I'm OK with "fake" 4K too, after all "professional" analysts at DF have deemed it better than native 4K.
Kagey K
Banned
Looks like projection.
At least I hope it is, because I honestly believe you are smarter then that.
Prove me wrong.
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PresetError
Neophyte
Not relevant. Resolution is resolution and 4.000 pixels are 4.000 pixels this gen, next gen and the one after that.
manzo
Member
I don't understand why people still feel that Series X is NOT stronger than PS5? It's going to be the 900p vs 1080p situation.
If you want the stronger console and/or gamepass, buy Series X. If you want the Playstation exclusives and ecosystem, buy the PS5. If you can't make up your mind, buy both.
And when it comes to RE8, it doesn't matter where the fuck you play it, since if you're not doing it in VR, you're doing it wrong anyway.
If you want the stronger console and/or gamepass, buy Series X. If you want the Playstation exclusives and ecosystem, buy the PS5. If you can't make up your mind, buy both.
And when it comes to RE8, it doesn't matter where the fuck you play it, since if you're not doing it in VR, you're doing it wrong anyway.
eh. Battlefield maybe 2021, Dragon Age in 2022. Starfield fuck knows when (but it still uses Creation Engine)
So much for next-gen only games that you mentioned
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BlueXImpulse
Banned
You can't insult my intelligence and then say "then" instead of "than". Also, this thing you're doing right now, this trolling thing isn't working.
Nobody is claiming that the PS5 specs are better than what the specsheets indicate. It's 10.28TF vs XsX at 12TF. There's 18% between them, any decrease in frequency will be minor as Cerny said. No extra GPU in the power brick FUD is needed. The only way a game runs 4K on XsX and not on PS5 is if there is no wiggle room and they port the game direct without lowering any effects. PS5 is capable of 4K gaming, it's proven.
bitbydeath
Member
DF said it was 4K. Unless Capcom have some tricks in play to make it look 4K.
Kagey K
Banned
Only time will tell until then it's speculation and FUD.
we can't prove or disprove Cernys claims until we get a full breakdown, which Sony seems unwilling to provide.
Nice Grammar catch though.
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PresetError
Neophyte
Mark Cerny said in 2016 8TF were needed to achieve native 4K resolution. The PS5 surpasses that. If you don't mind I will trust his opinion more than wild speculation from Dusk Golem and you projecting personal wishes.
Mark Cerny: 8 TFlops Minimal Is Required To Render In Native 4K But This Is A Personal Estimate
According to Sony’s lead architect on the PS4 and PS4 Pro, Mark Cerny, at least 8 teraflops is needed to render in native 4K resolution.
wccftech.com
BlueXImpulse
Banned
A Sony breakdown isn't going to prove anything. What we need is a DF breakdown. Sony aren't going to give us a side by side comparison with XsX