COD:BOCW Has Upgrade Path for PlayStation but not for Xbox

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MS stance in all honesty was stupid. They were really trying to remove the concept of generations and have publishers foot the bill for developing on next gen and XB1 which they could have done if they wanted to. Nothing stopped publishers offering free upgrades already. Stopping them from offering an upgrade path though was stupid because of course they would rather do that.
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They haven't stopped them from providing a upgrade path, they've stopped them from charging for said path. The thing is most of the initial releases that have a upgrade path will most likely implement features the PC ports already have, so the works done and by the time they actually do start working on next gen features for their games they will not support the previous consoles.

Same thing happened for PS3/360 to PS4/X1 games that offered the upgrade path had minimal features added for your extra $10 BF4,AC:black flag plus more all had minimal work done to the next gen titles. The only game off the top of my head that warranted the extra was GTA imo.
 
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Thank you friends, I can now see and understand that mental illness is in fact a disease, as proven by how aggressively retarded some of the takes in this thread are.

To clarify, there is no equivalent being offered on the green side as it goes against their policy of TRYING TO SAVE YOU MONEY BY MAKING THE UPGRADE FREE. Hate on them for their subpar 1st party or market speak or whatever all you want but calling out MS/smart delivery like this is MSs fault for, again, trying to save you money, is the most backwards-ass take I have seen in some time and you should have a long hard look at yourself.
 
Three said:
MS stance in all honesty was stupid. They were really trying to remove the concept of generations and have publishers foot the bill for developing on next gen and XB1 which they could have done if they wanted to. Nothing stopped publishers offering free upgrades already. Stopping them from offering an upgrade path though was stupid because of course they would rather do that.
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No, the bottom line is Publishers shouldn't be charging $70 for next gen games, that's ridiculous! If you want to foot $70 PS5 games or XSX games, then go right ahead and support that. You're acting like there's no option to buy Call of Duty and get both the Xbox One and Series X versions just like PS5, it's just a minor inconvenience for anyone buying the physical version for Xbox One if they want to pay $60 now and change their minds later, this will have zero impact on anyone buying a Series X on day one, and zero impact to those not interested in upgrading to a Series X. Some people wait a year before upgrading and there will likely be a sequel CoD by then that takes better advantage of the new consoles, because I'm willing to bet that this first CoD will be just like Ghosts, a PoS launch title that barely takes advantage of the new consoles which makes it an even bigger ripoff.
 
IDappa said:
Sony is the best we know bro.

Anyway.. Unfortunate Sony couldn't have a stance like Microsoft, would of been pro consumer of them. Activision has just skirted around microsofts policy to be greedy which isn't very surprising. Funny thing is the next gen versions will probably be only a minimal upgrade compared to the PS4 and x1x versions.

I'm just gonna do what I did last gen refresh and not commit to any games until the consoles come out.
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I don't get such talk. MS and it's fans were the arbiters of Raytracing, the only ones who had hardware raytracing and was going to school all consoles. Now in your attempt to justify MS's stance of trying to force devs to give a cross gen game a free Raytracing + asset patch, you presume the difference with RT on, maybe 8k textures, better lighting, better loadtimes won't be substantial anyway. In truth. the new gen consoles are much more capable than last gen, these are not mid gen machines they are patching up to, but rather an entire new generation with much better CPU's. much better GPU's, new GPU technology in raytracing, much better audio, and of course implementing new controller schemes and features and even OS features......This is not simply porting the PS4 version of COD to PRO with a higher resolution......


Now, of course some companies will offer upgrades for free...I'm pretty sure most will do so, but Activision is in a place where they don't have to, they sell tonnes of copies of COD and MS can't whip them into form on Smart Delivery. It's their game and they have lots of clout.....They also love money, which most companies do......But I guess the most pro-consumer company on the face of the earth for three generations in a row is most important to many these days....Never thought I would see the day when people would graffiti pro-consumer next to MS on every block....
 
..but whats the point in having a physical Xbox One version then?
 
On one hand I don't give a shit about COD.
On the other I get why people are pissed.

On one hand I understand how this seems like this sounds like a problem for MS.
On the other everybody is going to pay 70 Bobby Kotick Fun Bux regardless of platform.

On one hand I understand freaking out over $70 videogames.
On the other I also remember saving up a long time for the $60 Super Mario RPG in 1996, $99 in 2020 money!
 
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it doesnt matter we are forgetting that hey are charging 10 bucks for the upgrade, welp to me it doesnt matter anyways i havent finished getting my damascus so im probably keep playing it on pc and wait for a sale mid next year.
 
MS have been fighting the wrong battle.

It haven't been about power for a long time now.

MS started this marketing deals thing, so you would think that they would be better than Sony at this type of thing.
 
Journey said:
We shouldn't be paying $70 for games, just vote with your wallet. MS isn't penalizing Publishers, it's the Publisher trying to penalize gamers, MS had the right consumer approach.
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MS were acting all pro-consumer because they weren't footing the bill for next-gen free upgrades. Publishers and developers are paying tho. Not all games sell as much as COD.

NullZ3r0 said:
It's not like they are building the game from the ground up for the next gen boxes. They are just being greedy and taking advantage of the lack of quality titles for launch consoles and cashing in. I can't stand COD games so this doesn't affect me.
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So adding RT, better graphics, FPS, testing and taking advantage of next-gen hardware costs nothing to developers?

Remember that they can't sell a next-gen version now because you get it free so just buy the old version when it's in bargain bins or when stores are clearing out PS4/Xbox for space.
 
thelastword said:
I don't get such talk. MS and it's fans were the arbiters of Raytracing, the only ones who had hardware raytracing and was going to school all consoles. Now in your attempt to justify MS's stance of trying to force devs to give a cross gen game a free Raytracing + asset patch, you presume the difference with RT on, maybe 8k textures, better lighting, better loadtimes won't be substantial anyway. In truth. the new gen consoles are much more capable than last gen, these are not mid gen machines they are patching up to, but rather an entire new generation with much better CPU's. much better GPU's, new GPU technology in raytracing, much better audio, and of course implementing new controller schemes and features and even OS features......This is not simply porting the PS4 version of COD to PRO with a higher resolution......


Now, of course some companies will offer upgrades for free...I'm pretty sure most will do so, but Activision is in a place where they don't have to, they sell tonnes of copies of COD and MS can't whip them into form on Smart Delivery. It's their game and they have lots of clout.....They also love money, which most companies do......But I guess the most pro-consumer company on the face of the earth for three generations in a row is most important to many these days....Never thought I would see the day when people would graffiti pro-consumer next to MS on every block....
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You're the only one talking about raytracing I haven't mentioned it. I don't believe these cross gen titles are even going to try and attempt raytracing especially coming from publishers like ea,Activision and ubi. Funny thing is games that will probably try and leverage the next gen consoles are offering the upgrade for free ala cyberpunk.

I already know most of these cross gen titles are going to be last gen games with higher fps and higher resolution maybe better textures and lighting (which majority of the work would of been done for their PC release). Just look at last gen to x1/PS4, those cross gen games that charged extra had minimal work done to them for the extra money charged. Only game that was worth it imo was GTA.

AllI see is you shitting on Microsoft because they were being pro consumer, So because Microsoft has been implementing pro consumer policies you want people to not acknowledge that fact? Righto bud.. thing is I don't care if it's Microsoft or Sony if they do something good for gaming and the consumer they will get props from me unlike some people I don't bat for one company. Sony could take a shit in your breakfast and you would ask for more.
 
MrFunSocks said:
MS isn't selling anything, it's an Activision game. The problem is Activision, not MS.
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Activision is selling their game on MS's platform and digital storefront. If MS mandated all games to not be above $60, they wouldn't be, or they wouldn't sell/certify the game. But that's not the point.

The original post was about MS being pro-consumer because they refuse to allow publishers to charge extra for next-gen upgrades. But at the same time they seem to be okay with allowing publishers to charge extra for next gen games, which is clearly unfair to next-gen adopters. If MS (and Sony) were truly pro-consumer (as the original post claims), they would not allow charges for next-gen upgrades AND not let next-gen games to be sold at an increased price, which would be fair to everyone.
 
UltimateUnknown said:
Activision is selling their game on MS's platform and digital storefront. If MS mandated all games to not be above $60, they wouldn't be, or they wouldn't sell/certify the game. But that's not the point.

The original post was about MS being pro-consumer because they refuse to allow publishers to charge extra for next-gen upgrades. But at the same time they seem to be okay with allowing publishers to charge extra for next gen games, which is clearly unfair to next-gen adopters. If MS (and Sony) were truly pro-consumer (as the original post claims), they would not allow charges for next-gen upgrades AND not let next-gen games to be sold at an increased price, which would be fair to everyone.
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Why would MS mandate that all games not be above $60? There are games that sell for far more than that on there already.

I don't remember MS ever mandating that publishers could not charge extra for next gen upgrades? Did they actually do that? Or did they just give them an optional simple way to do it for free with Smart Delivery?

Tier2 said:
MS started this marketing deals thing, so you would think that they would be better than Sony at this type of thing.
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Found the young person that is only on their first or second console generation lol. Sony were buying exclusives and marketing deals before MS even entered the console space.
 
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Journey said:
No, the bottom line is Publishers shouldn't be charging $70 for next gen games, that's ridiculous! If you want to foot $70 PS5 games or XSX games, then go right ahead and support that. You're acting like there's no option to buy Call of Duty and get both the Xbox One and Series X versions just like PS5, it's just a minor inconvenience for anyone buying the physical version for Xbox One if they want to pay $60 now and change their minds later, this will have zero impact on anyone buying a Series X on day one, and zero impact to those not interested in upgrading to a Series X. Some people wait a year before upgrading and there will likely be a sequel CoD by then that takes better advantage of the new consoles, because I'm willing to bet that this first CoD will be just like Ghosts, a PoS launch title that barely takes advantage of the new consoles which makes it an even bigger ripoff.
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Here's the thing though. Nothing stopped publishers offering a free upgrade before. Nothing at all. If the publishers wanted to do it they would have already without MS trying to remove the option to charge. Removing the option to charge for an upgrade however has resulted in this situation as I predicted back at the beginning of July. It was an ill informed move.
 
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Thicc Team Six said:
My understanding is:

$60 Current Gen
Xbox One
PS4 (Can pay $10 later to upgrade)

$70 Next Gen
PS5
Xbox One + Xbox Series X


$70 Bundle
PS4 + PS5
Xbox One + Xbox Series X

Most people here saying "lol dumb delivery" are missing the point. Microsoft wants one sku per game. You buy it once and you get licenses for both "versions". The "smart" part of smart delivery is that it downloads the correct version for your device so you only see one tile/icon in your library-determining if it's Series X or a One game running in back compat gets sorted out behind the scenes so the user just plays the game they want to play and gets the best experience.

On PS5 you'll presumably have two icons-one for the PS4 version in back compat and another for the PS5 version.

I think MSFT is the only one who did this right. Ideally Sony should have their own version of Smart Delivery and Activision should just sell one edition of the game per ecosystem.
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Yeah but this gen games were already €70 in the EU except for some Sony titles. But they were only $60 in the US. That's like €52.
 
iJudged said:
so basically, they know PS5 is going to sell like crazy, therefore many CoDs will be sold and upgrade is free for PS5, meanwhile they're going to try and squeeze every penny out of XO1/XsX owners because they know the ratio between PS5 and XsX sold is going to be something 3 to 1.

Is my logic tainted?
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Sounds about right
 
MrFunSocks said:
I don't remember MS ever mandating that publishers could not charge extra for next gen upgrades? Did they actually do that? Or did they just give them an optional simple way to do it for free with Smart Delivery?
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If they could charge $10 for the upgrade, why would Activision go through this hoop in order to get the extra $10 out of customers on Xbox, while allowing a straightforward upgrade path on Playstation?

It only stands to reason that free smart delivery is not an option, but a mandate, otherwise Activision would have just charged the $10 for an upgrade like PS.
 
UltimateUnknown said:
If they could charge $10 for the upgrade, why would Activision go through this hoop in order to get the extra $10 out of customers on Xbox, while allowing a straightforward upgrade path on Playstation?

It only stands to reason that free smart delivery is not an option, but a mandate, otherwise Activision would have just charged the $10 for an upgrade like PS.
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Because it's not just $10, it's potentially another $70 if they bought the Xbox one version and then later want the series x version.

honestly, who knows. Maybe it's a Sony deal, maybe they just want to make more off Xbox players because they won't sell as many copies so they want more ROI. Who knows, but I don't think you can blame Ms for this.
 
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$10 upgrade editions is 2020s version of EA's online pass. Not surprising I guess.

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IDappa said:
You're the only one talking about raytracing I haven't mentioned it. I don't believe these cross gen titles are even going to try and attempt raytracing especially coming from publishers like ea,Activision and ubi. Funny thing is games that will probably try and leverage the next gen consoles are offering the upgrade for free ala cyberpunk.

I already know most of these cross gen titles are going to be last gen games with higher fps and higher resolution maybe better textures and lighting (which majority of the work would of been done for their PC release). Just look at last gen to x1/PS4, those cross gen games that charged extra had minimal work done to them for the extra money charged. Only game that was worth it imo was GTA.

AllI see is you shitting on Microsoft because they were being pro consumer, So because Microsoft has been implementing pro consumer policies you want people to not acknowledge that fact? Righto bud.. thing is I don't care if it's Microsoft or Sony if they do something good for gaming and the consumer they will get props from me unlike some people I don't bat for one company. Sony could take a shit in your breakfast and you would ask for more.
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Ray-tracing was already confirmed for the next-gen versions.
 
ethomaz said:
The cover for both versions.

Left: Xbox One version ($60) that doesn't allow upgrade to Xbox Series X version but you can play it via BC on Series X.
Right: Xbox Series X version ($70) that include both version of the game.

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Digital upgrade is still under evaluation on Xbox.
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Bernd Lauert said:
Why would you need an upgrade plan for physical? Just buy the cross-gen version.
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Because you brought CoD at launch for XB1 and in some months or years you buy a Series X and wants to play the upgraded version...

BTW if the Series X launch's after CoD the it will even weird because at CoD launch you will only find the Xbox One version.
 
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MrFunSocks said:
Because it's not just $10, it's potentially another $70 if they bought the Xbox one version and then later want the series x version.
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Are you trying to say Activision is deliberately trying to screw over Xbox users specifically?

Look at the Playstation upgrade path. You can either buy the PS5 version of the game for $70, or buy the PS4 version of the game for $60, and then if you choose to upgrade it to the PS5 version, you pay another $10 (the total is $70 either way, which is the base price of the PS5 version.)

On Xbox, the only reason you are potentially paying $60 for the Xbox One game and then another $70 for the SEX version is because MS (presumably) is not allowing the $10 upgrade path for those who bought the Xbox One game. They either require the upgrade to be free on Activision's end (which they are obviously not going to opt into), or require the customer to buy the game two separate times with no upgrade options. What other explanation is there?
 
This is another thread that is missing out key information that goes against the xbox version.

Why?

It clearly says

PlayStation 4 will have an option to upgrade to PlayStation 5 through the PlayStation Store.
Xbox One will have an option to upgrade to Xbox Series X through the Microsoft Store at launch.

At least try to be truthful with the headline.

You could mention that the ps5 version won't work on ps4 yet the xbsx version does work on xb1.

Neogaf has far too many Sony fanatics thst are trying their absolute best to pursued consumers to go with their choice of console, these threads are done far too often for it to be a coincidence.

Truth matters
 
Iced Arcade said:
Activision "yo give me $10 to play the game you already own"
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I bought the WiiU version of BOTW and then when I bought the Switch I had to buy it again at full price. Nintendo didn't give it to me for free. I would have gladly paid 10$ for it tho.

Same for TLOU, GOWIII, Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls. When you buy a game you never expected to get all future versions for free until now.
 
Gods&Monsters said:
I bought the WiiU version of BOTW and then when I bought the Switch I had to buy it again at full price. Nintendo didn't give it to me for free. I would have gladly paid 10$ for it tho.

Same for TLOU, GOWIII, Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls. When you buy a game you never expected to get all future versions for free until now.
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..........i'm glad you like it
 
UltimateUnknown said:
Are you trying to say Activision is deliberately trying to screw over Xbox users specifically?

Look at the Playstation upgrade path. You can either buy the PS5 version of the game for $70, or buy the PS4 version of the game for $60, and then if you choose to upgrade it to the PS5 version, you pay another $10 (the total is $70 either way, which is the base price of the PS5 version.)

On Xbox, the only reason you are potentially paying $60 for the Xbox One game and then another $70 for the SEX version is because MS (presumably) is not allowing the $10 upgrade path for those who bought the Xbox One game. They either require the upgrade to be free on Activision's end (which they are obviously not going to opt into), or require the customer to buy the game two separate times with no upgrade options. What other explanation is there?
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Until I see proof that MS is mandating all smart delivery or updates to games are free I don't believe it, and you shouldn't either. Don't make assumptions. This is activision we're talking about.
 
skneogaf said:
This is another thread that is missing out key information that goes against the xbox version.

Why?

It clearly says

PlayStation 4 will have an option to upgrade to PlayStation 5 through the PlayStation Store.
Xbox One will have an option to upgrade to Xbox Series X through the Microsoft Store at launch.

At least try to be truthful with the headline.

You could mention that the ps5 version won't work on ps4 yet the xbsx version does work on xb1.

Neogaf has far too many Sony fanatics thst are trying their absolute best to pursued consumers to go with their choice of console, these threads are done far too often for it to be a coincidence.

Truth matters
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They updates the text few hours ago... The original.

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Both digital console versions of Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War offer upgrades, within the same console family, from PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5.

- PlayStation 4 will have an option to upgrade to PlayStation 5 through the PlayStation Store.
- Xbox One upgrade to Xbox Series X through the Microsoft Store is currently being evaluated and new information will be updated in this FAQ when available. Please see information below regarding the Xbox Series X version as part of the digital Cross-Gen Bundle."

I will Update the OP.
 
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ethomaz said:
Yes it was updated recently like the last hour... my browser was in cache yet.
OP updated.
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I apologise for thinking you had a narrative then, I just hate one sided views so after I read the article and I didn't see it put on here correctly I assumed the worse.
 
skneogaf said:
I apologise for thinking you had a narrative then, I just hate one sided views so after I read the article and I didn't see it put on here correctly I assumed the worse.
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The OP still has the original text.

Against what some were assuming MS allowed the $10 upgrade path for the digital version in their store.

That makes the non-upgrade path for the physical version more confusing.
 
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MrFunSocks said:
Until I see proof that MS is mandating all smart delivery or updates to games are free I don't believe it, and you shouldn't either. Don't make assumptions. This is activision we're talking about.
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I mean there's this.

www.videogameschronicle.com

Next-gen game upgrades should be free, Xbox tells developers | VGC

Publishing sources reveal a multitude of options for selling Series X games…
www.videogameschronicle.com www.videogameschronicle.com

Xbox has told developers that they cannot charge players to upgrade their current-gen games to Xbox Series X versions as DLC, as an alternative to its free Smart Delivery scheme.
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Xbox developers who don't support Smart Delivery also have the option of selling two-game 'cross-gen bundles', in disc or digital form, which include seperate Xbox One and Xbox Series X versions of a game.
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It sounds like what's happening in my opinion.
 
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Shouldn't really be a problem for xbros, game cames out around the same time the new xbox launches. Just buy the next gen version when it arrives.
 
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