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[BluRayHiDef]

1. The Big Navi Die will be approximately 536 square millimeters.

2. It will have approximately 26.3 billion transistors.

3. It will be about 15% faster than a 2080Ti if AMD hasn't found a way to overcome the limitations of a 256-bit bus. However, if AMD has indeed found a way to overcome this limitation, it may even rival the RTX 3090.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Hope they announce and release this shit soon so Nvidia will put out the 3080 Super and I can actually buy one.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Hope they announce and release this shit soon so Nvidia will put out the 3080 Super and I can actually buy one.

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

 

[LarknThe4th]

I am simple when it comes to PC architecture, I have being hearing nothing but hype about Nvidias new cards

From my basic understanding, Nvidia are offering more performance but also at a premium whereas AMD are offering a competitive package at an affordable rate

Am I right in my assumption?

 

[Pagusas]

I am simple when it comes to PC architecture, I have being hearing nothing but hype about Nvidias new cards

From my basic understanding, Nvidia are offering more performance but also at a premium whereas AMD are offering a competitive package at an affordable rate

Am I right in my assumption?

Nvidia offers more performance on the flagships cards and more importantly more features (RTX, DLSS, Often better/faster drivers support, Gsync).

AMD offers competitive performance in the midrange at a good price, you just loose features.

Take any and all news about the new AMD line with a grain of salt until real world testing Is done. Everyone wants them to be competitive at the flagship level, even Nvidia fanboys, as it will spur innovation and competitive pricing. Right now Nvidia is basically unchallenged, but so was intel up till the Zen 2.

AMD needs to do more than just release a 3080 competitor, they need a 3080 competitor with a DLSS alternative and Ray tracing. Who the hell would buy an AMD flagship card if they couldn't play a game like Cyberpunk with all its features turned on? So AMD has its work cut out for them, if they come to this fight without an RTX equivilent the cards will be DOA. But I expect they have both a DLSS and RTX alternative. They know if they dont they'll lose badly against Nvidia in benchmarks and playbablity, plus even with a 3090 you still need DLSS to have great frame rates in some heavy raytracing games.

 

[LarknThe4th]

Nvidia offers more performance on the flagships cards and more importantly more features (RTX, DLSS, Often better/faster drivers support, Gsync).

AMD offers competitive performance in the midrange at a good price, you just loose features.

Ah so NVidia aren't just brute force there feature set(DLSS and Ray tracing) offers a are a more complete package in conjunction with the horsepower?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

At the moment. If it comes out that they're badass cards for a good value and also somehow support RTX and DLSS (or have equivalents that seamlessly work with existing games), then I'll happily buy AMD. I'm doubtful, though.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

At the moment. If it comes out that they're badass cards for a good value and also somehow support RTX and DLSS (or have equivalents that seamlessly work with existing games), then I'll happily buy AMD. I'm doubtful, though.

Absolutely disgraceful.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Absolutely disgraceful.

Any further commentary? Why is it disgraceful to want the best product for the best value? I've got no bias against AMD and would actually prefer to buy from them if they brought the competition like they did in the CPU space.

 

[tusharngf]

20 TF AMD GPU is stil a win win for gamers

 

[Pagusas]

Ah so NVidia aren't just brute force there feature set(DLSS and Ray tracing) offers a are a more complete package in conjunction with the horsepower?

Yup, better drivers, better generational support (though AMD has shown better legacy support in some instances, partially from sticking with the same architecture for so long while Nvidia kept radically changing theirs gen to gen). Nvidia just has a full deck of cards, performance, support, features and developer support funding and (at least for the last few years) better R&D and AI research thats paved the way for lots of cool things (not just in gaming). Nvidia is also WAYYYYY bigger than AMD.

The best thing for all of us is a competitive market. AMD hasnt been a good high end or features competitor for awhile, if they can get back to it we all win.

 

[Silver Wattle]

These YouTubers with "leaks" should all be put in a single thread, this one is just another example of someone making shit up.

 

[Ascend]

Yup, better drivers,

The crashes the 3080 cards were experiencing turned out to have zero to do with their component configuration and was actually a driver issue. nVidia has had their fair share of driver issues. The difference is that nVidia's issues are swept under the rug, and AMD's are exaggerated. It's called confirmation bias.

better generational support (though AMD has shown better legacy support in some instances, partially from sticking with the same architecture for so long while Nvidia kept radically changing theirs gen to gen).

I think you contradicted your own statement there.

Nvidia just has a full deck of cards, performance, support, features and developer support funding and (at least for the last few years) better R&D and AI research thats paved the way for lots of cool things (not just in gaming). Nvidia is also WAYYYYY bigger than AMD.

Didn't stop AMD from beating Intel. And this is pretty much the same as the driver thing. When AMD has features, they are ignored, and when nVidia has them, they are praised to the heavens.

The best thing for all of us is a competitive market. AMD hasnt been a good high end or features competitor for awhile, if they can get back to it we all win.

This, I can agree with. Although... AMD has been competitive at the mid range constantly. But for some reason, if they don't partake in the high end, everyone dismisses their whole stack of cards with no real basis. The RX570 especially didn't get the sales it deserved.

As for Big Navi, I have no doubt that it will be a viable high end contender. But as always, people will find excuses to dismiss it. They have already started, without the card even being revealed... So...

 

[BluRayHiDef]

These YouTubers with "leaks" should all be put in a single thread, this one is just another example of someone making shit up.

I think that he's telling the truth. He's being very specific, which would make it too easy to debunk him when the specs of Big Navi are officially revealed.

 

[LarknThe4th]

Yup, better drivers, better generational support (though AMD has shown better legacy support in some instances, partially from sticking with the same architecture for so long while Nvidia kept radically changing theirs gen to gen). Nvidia just has a full deck of cards, performance, support, features and developer support funding and (at least for the last few years) better R&D and AI research thats paved the way for lots of cool things (not just in gaming). Nvidia is also WAYYYYY bigger than AMD.

The best thing for all of us is a competitive market. AMD hasnt been a good high end or features competitor for awhile, if they can get back to it we all win.

Thanks for the insight, it can be a complicated for tech idiots like myself

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The crashes the 3080 cards were experiencing turned out to have zero to do with their component configuration and was actually a driver issue. nVidia has had their fair share of driver issues. The difference is that nVidia's issues are swept under the rug, and AMD's are exaggerated. It's called confirmation bias.

Or maybe it's because it took Nvidia slightly less than a week to release a driver that fixed the 3080 crashes, whereas AMD wasn't able to fix their 5700XT driver crashes for more than 6 months?

Everyone fucks up something in drivers sometimes. The difference is Nvidia fixes their shit ASAP.

 

[pr0cs]

I'm hoping amd gets the next Radeon right, out of the box.
God knows we need to have Nvidia pushed, they've had a stranglehold on the GPU marked way to long

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

I've heard a couple of people mentioning in this thread and also a few others that "If AMD have RTX..." or "AMD doesn't have RTX.."

RDNA2 cards are confirmed to have Ray Tracing. The consoles also have Ray Tracing, which we've actually seen in some PS5 games.

"RTX" is just a clever Nvidia marketing term for their Ray Tracing solution. The actual code that implements the Ray Tracing is a part of the Direct X 12 API, which if you are not aware is cross vendor.

Meaning that any game that currently supports Ray Tracing on Nvidia cards should seemlessly support it on RDNA2 AMD cards with zero work from the developers. Now some might be tested and optimized towards Nvidia cards due to only their cards supporting Ray Tracing up to now, but in 99% of cases developers should have to do zero work for RTX to be supported on RDNA2 cards.

The reason I bring this all up is just to clarify something that I see repeated again and again in these threads on GAF so I figured I would set the record straight.

So hopefully that has cleared this up once and for all, I mean you would have to be paying literally 0% attention to things to still think this at this point, hell you would need to be willfully ignorant as it has been known for easily more than a year that these cards would support Ray Tracing, and there have been tons of tech discussions on the consoles and their Ray Tracing, which are....you guessed it RDNA2 based cards (with customisations).

As for DLSS, it seems like quite cool tech, although somehwat overhyped in some tech press circles, I guess that is what promotional deals and Nvidia marketing money can do. Having said that, it does seem like actually good tech and will likely continue to improve, however currently it has to be implemented by the developers on a game by game basis and so far is only supported in something like 6 games. I wouldn't base a purchase entirely on something like that while ignoring all of the other features/metrics for comparison between the cards.

Do AMD have anything to compete with DLSS? Honestly I've no idea, they haven't mentioned anything about it and have been incredibly tight lipped on the features/software stack of these new cards. They might end up surprising people as there are some rumours from some tech youtubers that they might have something cooking on this front. As a hypothetical, what if AMD had some kind of upscaling tech that was say 80-90% as good as DLSS2.0 but that worked automatically at the driver level (with an on/off toggle in the software) on every game with no work from developers? Would that constitute "competing" with Nvidia in this arena? Would it be considered a win over Nvidia if the quality was only slightly worse than DLSS but worked in every game off the bat?

I have no idea if AMD have something like this, just a random hypothetical but it is a question worth considering for the DLSS advocates.

 

[SantaC]

Coretek is not trustworthy. The news is being reported as fake for clicks.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

Coretek is not trustworthy. The news is being reported as fake for clicks.

Having had a quick look on Twitter about this it looks like some people who didn't watch the video saw the thumbnail/screenshot of the die mockup and hastily jumped to call fake because it is a photoshop mockup, Coreteks explains this in the video that he has a real picture of the die but to protect his sources he tried to make an approximate mock up that was close to the picture he was given and then compared to PCIe slot to confirm measurements etc...

All explained in the video, it seems some people were quick to jump the gun having not seen the video and just going off the screenshot trying to "debunk" him because they noticed it was photoshop'd. Much ado about nothing really.

Of course he could have just made the whole thing up for clicks or have a dodgy source etc... but it seems unlikely at least in this case.

 

[KungFucius]

I am so sick of the hype and BS around big navi. I want to see the stupid specs and prices. There have been rumors about an impending launch for about a year. I just got a 3080 but probably would have bought one of these things if they came out before Nvidia. I tend to think that cross platform games will run fine on big Navi since it is similar to the console GPUs. I was hoping they would launch last winter, spring, and summer like the stupid random rumors suggested.

If they really end up owning NVidia, I will laugh hard, especially considering all the bullshit I went through to buy a 3080. If they are competitive, that would be awesome.

 

[benno]

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

That would be me. I've made a lot of bad PC decisions in the past and all of them involved AMD and their drivers. I will never buy another AMD PC product.

I do want them to exist for competition reasons though and hope they do with their GPU's what they did with their CPUs. I'm doubtful though.

 

[wordslaughter]

Coreteks knows a lot about technology but he doesn't have any insider info. He was VERY wrong about his predictions for Ampere.

If AMD has a product that competes well with the 3080, remaining silent for so long is a really shit strategy.

 

[SantaC]

Coreteks knows a lot about technology but he doesn't have any insider info. He was VERY wrong about his predictions for Ampere.

Exactly. The guy is a fraud.

 

[synce]

Just give me something with a single 8-pin that won't heat up the entire room while gaming. I don't even want raytracing if it'll keep the price down. Nvidia can brag about 2x 2080 performance but it's not that impressive when they also have to double the power draw.

 

[Razvedka]

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

His position isn't so unreasonable. He's taking the position that Nvidia is the current market leader with most of the really cool features and performance. If AMD releases a product roughly close to Nvidia but at a lower cost, this will force Nvidia (hopefully) to respond by slashing price or release a new, better, product.

If perchance AMD's showing is actually as good or better than Nvidia's offerings than all the better. Everybody wins.

 

[ScaryBrandon]

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

Sums up the vast majority of nvidiots.

 

[KungFucius]

Coreteks knows a lot about technology but he doesn't have any insider info. He was VERY wrong about his predictions for Ampere.

If AMD has a product that competes well with the 3080, remaining silent for so long is a really shit strategy.

Not if they knew how shitty NVidia's supply would be. .. OK I'm being a little facetious, but these companies have serious strategy short comings.

I think the same thing about announcing so late. At the very least some info before the 3070 initial launch.

 

[Reindeer]

Not sure how trustworthy this guy is with his rather poor track record, he mainly speculates when it comes to lot of things.

 

[Mr. Nobody]

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

He has a point. There is a reason that for a 20 GB version of the 3080 has been a rumor weeks ago with more proof making it a reaction to what AMD will come out with. Add that to the fact that there may be other SKUs that NVidia may have ready to go that are "Super"/"Ti" variants of what they have announced.

 

[Kuranghi]

Lets vote on which brand name is stupider: "Coreteks" or one of my favourite stupidly-named computer brands, "Phanteks".

Give me an "Empathy" for Coreteks and a "Strength" for Phanteks. Lets really dig into this important topic.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Wow, so you don't give a damn about AMD cards apart from them being a catalyst for Nvidia to make certain decisions?

I think that's the main reason a lot of people are rooting for AMD lol

 

[Irobot82]

I'm excited. I sincerely hope AMD delivers this time. If they have a DLSS solution (I think they can use MS's version) and raytracing I may switch back. It all depends on performance and price for me. I had a 7950 back in the day that lasted me up until I picked up a 1080. Then i passed it on to my son until it finally died this year.

 

[Ascend]

If AMD has a product that competes well with the 3080, remaining silent for so long is a really shit strategy.

If other rumors are correct, AMD will be delivering the cards to AIBs as late as possible, so that they can just put their stickers on it and put it in their box. They are keeping even AIBs in the dark to avoid leaks as much as possible. I suspect they don't want to give nVidia much leeway to respond. The longer the time between announcement and release, the more time nVidia has to adapt and start a counter-campaign.

It might look like a bad strategy, but nVidia is very adaptable. They already decided to launch the RTX 3070 on October 29th, just one day after AMD's event, just to try and drive attention away from AMD's cards. They most likely don't want their launch to go like the 5700XT one.

Or maybe it's because it took Nvidia slightly less than a week to release a driver that fixed the 3080 crashes, whereas AMD wasn't able to fix their 5700XT driver crashes for more than 6 months?

Everyone fucks up something in drivers sometimes. The difference is Nvidia fixes their shit ASAP.

Oh... You mean like when AMD fixed the PCIe slot power draw non-issue of the RX 480 in like a week? Feel free to go look on nVidia's website for issues that are still not fixed after months...


You cannot compare two random situations with each other, because some fixes might be easy and some might be extremely complicated to narrow down... So... All I can say is... Confirmation bias yet again...

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Cool? I'll believe amd being competitive when I see it. I'm not buying an inferior card with inferior features just to save a little money. Step up your performance game amd.

 

[thief183]

I will never buy an AMD card, until they make an high end one, start ti add features, learn to make drivers. I even sold my ryzen 7 cause amd took 6month to solve the problems every one had with Destiny.

 

[tusharngf]

RGT says 60% per CU efficiency gains compared to rdna 1

 

[Insane Metal]

RGT says 60% per CU efficiency gains compared to rdna 1

Just watched this. MLiD also said AMD was targeting >50% improvement.

That's absolutely insane.