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NecrosaroIII

NecrosaroIII

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My company put up a job posting with that line in the requirements. It has not been sitting right with me.

The listing does not even mention a major. Just that they want the applicant to have a degree from a leading university. To me, it makes it seem like they don't care what the person studied. They just care about the name of the institution that person's paper. It seems... kind of superficial.

I want to bring it to their attention what it appears like, but I don't want to rock the boat either.
 
I have never in my life once been asked if I have a degree. Which I don't, I only have college courses, I still applied to jobs that 'require' a bachelor's degree, and it's never even brought up, ever. Just some jargon they put down to scare a few applicants away. Most of them just look at experience. You just have to word your resume in a way that looks pleasing to the person reading it. But then again, it could vary depending on the field of work you're looking for.
 
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Either they were lazy and copied a template or that is what they want. Unless you are in HR or management, I'd ignore it.
 
Fuck gatekeeping jobs with Degree's only requirements. In my experience those with degree's does not produce better results and they feel entitled for better money for nothing else.

Obviously this includes most of the jobs. In IT there is very little need for Degree and that's why its booming so much. But obviously even here lot of self-entitled suits infested most of the IT field ands requires Degree for absolutely idiotic positions. For example Linux Network administration, which I can guarantee that some interested nerd is with basic school going to do better. Thankfully it's not as wide spread so far.
 
PSYGN said:
What position is it filling? They better be ready to limit their choices and pay higher then.
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In this job market? Haha, that's pretty funny.

Employers can pretty much dictate terms and if you don't like it you can just go back to being unemployed.
 
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TheMan said:
A "leading" university, what exactly does that mean
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Ditto. What does this mean? Based on prestige? Overall or in a specific subject? Seems like a bad idea. Wouldn't it be better to look at candidates who didn't necessarily go to the most prestigious school, but who personally excelled?

I know lawyers who went to average or even below average third-tier law schools who are demons in the courtroom and I know guys who went to Ivies and never made partner in some firm and now I am kicking their ass with my degree from UK. Are they more qualified because mommy and daddy hired them an LSAT tutor and got them into Cornell?
 
We used to have that for a Senior Tech role in our company. No real change to the job function but all of a sudden required a BA. I said nope. Years of it I said I wouldn't do it. My CIO hired me to do her Home Networking and Home Theater. Brought it up in conversation and she agreed to remove it. It really is silly because when I used to hire at my last job most of the techs with all the degrees and certs didn't know squat.

One time I had a guy with a CCNA and all sorts of other certs. We were installing a Uniquiti AP system with the controller software on a PC. I said hey get me the IP of that machine. He proceeded to say 127.0.0.1. I fired him.
 
In my experience the vast majority of people who hire have no idea what they are doing. I often don't get good information about what the job is, and employers often pretend like they will train you when in reality they don't really have a training program. I think there is a crisis in organizations in general where for about a generation employers focused on picking off employees from other organizations because they all had a fear that if they trained an employee that employee would then be valuable enough to get a better job or demand compensation that was more than they were willing to pay. Basically everyone stopped doing any real training, and with that leadership as a thing in business died. Everyone became replaceable cogs in a machine rather than people you might be able to work with.


I think the vast majority of people who do hiring have very little understanding of what any of the studies on the subject say, and they have never really studied this. So they just copy what other people are doing.
 
Damage Inc said:
One time I had a guy with a CCNA and all sorts of other certs. We were installing a Uniquiti AP system with the controller software on a PC. I said hey get me the IP of that machine. He proceeded to say 127.0.0.1. I fired him.
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Did you rehire the guy after you got the joke?
 
nbcjr said:
Did you rehire the guy after you got the joke?
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No he wasn't joking sadly. He was looking at the web browser address for the controller software and was adamant that was the ip of the machine. I asked him 3 times. He felt like a dumb ass after I ran an ip config and showed him he was wrong.

And this wasn't his only questionable moment.
 
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The elite like to keep things for themselves...asking for qualifications that probably have no importance to the job just filters out 'the plebs' that didn't go to the right schools. All part of the rigged game.
 
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I've been working for nearly 20 years now over various roles as a Software Dev (junior- mid-senior-principal/lead). Graduated in 2003. UK based. No company has ever asked to see my uni degree. Ever. If I'm honest I don't even know where my diploma is if they did ask.
 
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NecrosaroIII said:
Yeah you should probably just use your degree as TP
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Hey at least they'd be useful for something, not like either of my degrees ever did shit for me. Employers in my area couldn't give a good goddamn about bachelor's degrees, it's master's or bust here.
 
When I started in education, my first interview took me to my Alma Mater. I sat with the administrators, which were all new since I had graduated, and they looked over my credentials. They liked hiring former graduates, but I did not go to Ohio State and instead went to a school in Dayton. I was told that if I had gone to OSU instead, I would have been hired on the spot.

Conversely, when there were tons of new teaching graduates, and there were hundreds of people for a single position, several districts dropped the BA for awhile. I was told that the BS had more into educational research while a BA looked more into theory. I just think they were just dropping the available pool of people to make hiring easier.
 
What you need in life are skills, that's what employers are after. How you got them, they don't actually care.

Job postings such as these are just to filter out those who are really incompetent.
 
One of the companies I'm chatting to at the moment only ever accepts applicants from the Ivy League, or Oxbridge, and blanket-ignores anyone who hasn't graduated from there.

I personally find it absolutely ridiculous. I've done my MSc at one of those places, and there's honestly nothing special about it. The quality of teaching was probably better at my undergrad university, and that one is entirely unknown.

But you won't really change the world other. It's not really a secret degrees from such places are huge door openers (imho unrelated to the actual quality of teaching/the degree). I guess some companies are just a bit more honest than others in actually admitting this.
 
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I just applied for a Director job that wanted bachor degree or equivalent experience. Wish me luck guys as I don't have a bachelor degree but this would be my new boss if I don't get it.
 
I at least somewhat understand it. I may not agree completely, but I get it. If you have a highly-skilled, highly-coveted position, you want to weed people out based off of "qualification" factors. I'd say in general, an ivy-league or "equivalent" graduate is some level of indication you are getting a different level of applicant.

In general, college is largely overrated. Going to a specific college doesn't make you the best candidate in the world. However, any hiring manager will tell you they look at a Harvard graduate different than an ITT Tech graduate. Most of the best applicants, are self-taught though.
 
NecrosaroIII said:
My company put up a job posting with that line in the requirements. It has not been sitting right with me.

The listing does not even mention a major. Just that they want the applicant to have a degree from a leading university. To me, it makes it seem like they don't care what the person studied. They just care about the name of the institution that person's paper. It seems... kind of superficial.

I want to bring it to their attention what it appears like, but I don't want to rock the boat either.
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Have some balls and speak your mind.
 
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