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[Dream-Knife]

Because a change of generation used to represent a change in visuals, a leap in terms of rendering quality, assets, everything. I thought it would be a lot more interesting to have visuals with the baseline of a 2080 and I/O of 5.5 GB/s with a highly efficient compression/decompression subsystem.

Instead we are supposed to find, to quote Leadbetter, "a transformative experience" to have some extra trees, some slightly higher resolution AO and sharper shadows. From an academic perspective I do believe some people might find that indeed very good, but from a practical perspective, aside from framerate and to a lesser degree resolution (anything above 1440p is diminishing returns), does anyone even notice any of those during gameplay?

Now that games have to target the lowest common denominator on PC, I'm afraid all we got was a graphics card upgrade instead of a new generation. Nice, but hardly anything revolutionary.

Besides, you haven't replied to what I mentioned before: you find incredible the visuals of a game like Watch Dogs Legion, which is a game that runs on a toaster, it just has some ray tracing bolted on top. I fundamentally disagree with that appreciation for visuals.

Generations don't mean what they used to because we've hit diminishing returns in general. All of the consoles are essentially the same now for ease of development in these more advanced games, and it also exacerbates the lack of uniqueness.

 

[sunnysideup]

We've gone around the merry-go-around with this type of argument for the longest time. If an exclusive looks good to you because of the way they implemented a game that's A-OK but it's clearly not because of the tech they used as the tech was already out and test run on the PC long before it (like PBR shaders). The graphics algorithms that come in papers are first made from the film companies. Then a developer doing R&D like Nvidia/AMD or some college implements the features in hardware using a GPU on a PC machine. It then propagates out to the various studios that play with the algorithm and adopt it to their games. You might find some studio use some clever tricks to implement a feature that only works on a console but it's not something that a PC can't do. That's the way it's always been.

What I'm saying is it's purely subjective opinion whether an exclusive looks the best over any 3rd party developer game and not because the hardware in the console allows it to look better. We already know this is a fallacy based on the fact that if that exclusive comes out on the PC, the PC will run that exclusive better and prettier than the console hardware and not because the developer would short-hand the console implementation due to the PC being inferior - hence why this thread has the backlash it has.

Of course its subjective. How can it not be. It always is. Graphics are a combination of engineering and art.


And no its not because pc will be able to run every game better on significant better hardware, it can. Its because these games will not be the same on console if they are developed like multiplatform games. Most multiplatform games are unimpressive on console.

Days gone is a perfect example on how future sony first party games will be going forward. Buggy, stuttery.

Exclusive games are the last games on console that actually utilise the console like it should, like all games did back in the day. Before only crappy pc games where multiplatform.

Console enthusiast love seeing developers use every hack/trick in the book to get games running in a way that its not suppose to. The more smoke and mirrors there is the better. Seeing batman return of the joker for the first time was amazing. This is what i like and love. Games being tailored to the hardware not the other way around. Brute force is not interesting at all.

When console fans see this development. The reaction is the same sort of thing as when pc games stopped being made for pc and uprezzed console ports. When you went from playing games like crysis to crysis 2.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Console enthusiast love seeing developers use every hack/trick in the book to get games running in a way that its not suppose to. The more smoke and mirrors there is the better. Seeing batman return of the joker for the first time was amazing. This is what i like and love. Games being tailored to the hardware not the other way around. Brute force is not interesting at all.

You act like the PC never got ports of games that looked to push old consoles to their limits. MGS looked to push the PS and yet it came out for the PC, much like Tomb Raider 2, F1 or even how the PC had Saturn ports of the likes of Virtual Fighter 2.
The only change is that so many Sony fanboys used the PC ports of Xbox games as a reason to have a go at the Xbox and hit back with the tag line of I don't need a Xbox and just play it on PC 'What goes around comes around'.

In the end true console gamers only care if their exclusives comes out on a rival console, not the PC.

 

[sunnysideup]

You act like the PC never got ports of games that looked to push old consoles to their limits. MGS looked to push the PS and yet it came out for the PC, much like Tomb Raider 2, F1 or even how the PC had Saturn ports of the likes of Virtual Fighter 2.
The only change is that so many Sony fanboys used the PC ports of Xbox games as a reason to have a go at the Xbox and hit back with the tag line of I don't need a Xbox and just play it on PC 'What goes around comes around'.

In the end true console gamers only care if their exclusives comes out on a rival console, not the PC.

There is no reason to own an xbox. Other than economics and time constraints. Xbox is a completely failed platform. There has been no real xbox games since 360. Nothing is bespoke.

And there wont be any reason to own a ps5 if the games are developed like multiplatform games. It is completely pointless.

 

[Zathalus]

Yeah, 700K sales of Horizon is shit... I don't care what way Jim 'bullshitter' Ryan wants to spin it....

Less than a million sales in a year is a complete waste of time.

That was only in the first month. Currently it has almost 2 million sold on Steam alone. Combined with the other PC storefronts the real number is likely around close to 3 million.

It could have gotten even more sales if the port launched in a much better state.

As the port did not really cost a lot for Sony to do, they are very likely looking at 70-100 million dollars in profit. Easy money for them.

 

[Team Andromeda]

There is no reason to own an xbox. Other than economics and time constraints. Xbox is a completely failed platform. There has been no real xbox games since 360. Nothing is bespoke.

And there wont be any reason to own a ps5 if the games are developed like multiplatform games. It is completely pointless.

I've read some drivel in this thread, but that takes the biscuit.

 

[KRYPT83]

Mark my words Sony don't have the money or infrastructure to compete were the gaming infrastructure is moving. Playstation 1st party will end up on gamepass at this rate or Sony sell the divison all together

 

[SaucyJack]

Can someone explain Sony's strategy of releasing all their games on PC?

Yes. Its called monetising the tail.

Releasing a selection of their games via a new platform later in their life, after they've made all their console sales, been through multiple sales, been on PS+ and/or PS Now, is a mechanism to squeeze some extra revenue out of an otherwise dormant asset.

Edit: Ghost of Tsushima is really the only outlier here as a 2020 game. These are not new games that are being (rumoured to be) ported. I'm not remotely surprised that Sony are experimenting with this.

- Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection (2015) a remastered collection of games from 2007, 2009 and 2011
- Bloodborne (2015)
- God of War (2018)

And previously Horizon: Zero Dawn (2017)

I would expect to see this more often going forward, the only question will be how long after release will it happen. It'll depend on the legs the game has as sales taper off in the months post-release.

 

[CAB_Life]

There is no reason to own an xbox. Other than economics and time constraints. Xbox is a completely failed platform. There has been no real xbox games since 360. Nothing is bespoke.

And there wont be any reason to own a ps5 if the games are developed like multiplatform games. It is completely pointless.

Holy hyperbole. People own consoles for a variety of reasons other than exclusives: ease of use, price point, acccssibility, and more. No amount of cross/ multi-platform games will change any of those factors. What an asinine statement.

 

[yurinka]

Mark my words Sony don't have the money or infrastructure to compete were the gaming infrastructure is moving. Playstation 1st party will end up on gamepass at this rate or Sony sell the divison all together

Do you know that PS4 and PS5 have been setting gaming history records in basically all fronts (console sales, game sales, services, platform holder revenue, etc) for any console and platform holders at the point of their life time? They have a ton of money, and PC ports is something very cheap they can outsource to anyone if needed.

Can someone explain Sony's strategy of releasing all their games on PC?

First, they won't release all their games on PC. They will port there some previous gen old games.

Their strategy seems to be:
-Release an AAA game on console selling it at full price
-Some time after apply some discount sales, price cut or release a few paid DLCs or free updates
-Some time after, when it doesn't generate more money, include it on services like PS Plus, PS Now, PS Collection
-Some time after, when it doesn't generate more money and the game is an old previous gen game, if it will get a PS5 exclusive sequel more or less soon, port it to PC

Reasons:
-Even if they already are very successful in basically all fronts, AAA development costs increases with every new generation, so its good for them to increase their revenue sources to reach more players. And they seem to prefer that way over filling their games with microtransactions, loot boxes and DLCs.
-These PC ports act as marketing to make some PC players buy a PS5 to play the sequels of these games (Horizon 2, Days Gone 2, God of War Ragnarok etc), or to get PS Now for PC.
-Since some of them get released on PC, some PC fanboy trolls will criticize them less so will reduce negative buzz in gaming media and social media.

 

[GetemMa]

I came for the melt downs and it was worth it. But.....I'll believe all this when I see it. I guess if you made me bet I would put my money on all this being true.

The building evidence suggests that Sony is open to moving more games to PC. Denying that is just turning your back on reality. All the signals Sony are sending align with this rumor.

It makes perfect sense. It's easy money and 99.99% of Playstation customers won't give two shits about PC ports of PS4 games. No one is not buying a PS5 because Bloodborne or God of War is on PC.

Now....if the Demon Souls Remake were announced for PC.....again.....I expect this board to melt down like Chernobyl.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

I hope they will. Bloodborne on PC will be sick.

But lol at the rabid PS haters thinking old games being ported to PC is some kind of ownage, just lol.

 

[Astorian]

That was only in the first month. Currently it has almost 2 million sold on Steam alone. Combined with the other PC storefronts the real number is likely around close to 3 million.

It could have gotten even more sales if the port launched in a much better state.

As the port did not really cost a lot for Sony to do, they are very likely looking at 70-100 million dollars in profit. Easy money for them.

Where is the 2 million from? Steamspy isn't really acurate AFAIK, also it's interesting that Jim didn't say the game sold well when asked about how Horizon did for,them.

 

[Adam_802]

There is no reason to own an xbox. Other than economics and time constraints. Xbox is a completely failed platform. There has been no real xbox games since 360. Nothing is bespoke.

And there wont be any reason to own a ps5 if the games are developed like multiplatform games. It is completely pointless.

LMAO this dumb post makes me laugh

 

[jonnyXx]

Plot twist: Bloodborne does come to PC but with a 30fps cap and bad frame pacing.

 

[saintjules]

 

[iorek21]

I think Sony should also focus on porting some of their older IPs to PC.

Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper and Ratchet and Clank trilogy comes to mind.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

There is no reason to own an xbox. Other than economics and time constraints. Xbox is a completely failed platform. There has been no real xbox games since 360. Nothing is bespoke.

And there wont be any reason to own a ps5 if the games are developed like multiplatform games. It is completely pointless.

I agree with your sentiment that there is no reason to own an Xbox if you already have a PC for gaming (unless boosted backwards compatibility for 360 games is important to you), but as of now there's no reason to suspect that Sony will start releasing current gen games on PC. If they ever start doing that and releasing them more or less day and date, then I agree it will be rather pointless to own a Sony console.

 

[oldergamer]

Is this the same crazy butts leaking on a train that once posted here before being banned?

 

[Mentat02]

Seems like Sony devs are excited to release their games on PC and even adding features that aren't available on consoles. Leave it to the brainlet warriors to make this sound like something bad. Good thing Sony has figured out that the number of whiners online doesn't hurt their sales one bit, so releasing future games won't be a problem.

 

[skneogaf]

If this is true then Sony are very good at getting me to buy their games twice.

 

[ACESHIGH]

I just want one of those journos to directly ask Jim Ryan if Bloodborne is the next in line. What's so bad about saying that to the gaming community even without a specific date?

 

[Reptars Revenge]

Hi Crazy how you doing today

 

[vkbest]

I also assume that if they release a PC port, they will release a PS5 patch or native version of these games too.

Patch? Horizon or Death Stranding don't have PS5 patches.

 

[kiphalfton]

Why are people excited for bloodborne on PC? Japanese games always have garbage optimization on PC

 

[Holammer]

That was only in the first month. Currently it has almost 2 million sold on Steam alone. Combined with the other PC storefronts the real number is likely around close to 3 million.

It could have gotten even more sales if the port launched in a much better state.

As the port did not really cost a lot for Sony to do, they are very likely looking at 70-100 million dollars in profit. Easy money for them.

Pretty much. It would have sold better if not for botched release and poor word of mouth.

Just occurred to me that Sony will also cultivate a more positive image by releasing on PC. Just like MS went PC and gained a lot of good vibes while doing so, a similar phenomena happened with EA [a company with its reputations in the gutter may I add], when they started releasing on more storefronts and the release of a non-GaaS title with Jedi: Fallen Order.
Sony's single player focused library is *perfect* and will be well received by PC gamers, handled well with competent ports and it'll ultimately become a public relations win.

 

[Aesius]

Why are people excited for bloodborne on PC? Japanese games always have garbage optimization on PC

Because even with piss poor optimization, the game can still be brute forced to 4K/60 FPS. And presumably would have graphics settings and mods to get rid of some annoying effects like chromatic aberration.

 

[LazyParrot]

Why are people excited for bloodborne on PC? Japanese games always have garbage optimization on PC

Hate on the ports all you want, but From Software games still run and look way better on PC than they ever did on consoles.

 

[RedVIper]

Plot twist: Bloodborne does come to PC but with a 30fps cap and bad frame pacing.

It would be fixed withing a day by the community

 

[DeadMansParty]

would rather older IPs like Jak, GoW 1 and 2, Sly, and ratchet. ashame the PS4 version of Jak is pretty bad.

 

[RedVIper]

would rather older IPs like Jak, GoW 1 and 2, Sly, and ratchet. ashame the PS4 version of Jak is pretty bad.

Just play them on the emulator?

 

[yurinka]

Patch? Horizon or Death Stranding don't have PS5 patches.

Both are rumored to have under development a PS5 version with extra content.

Both also use the same engine, which is now getting upgraded for PS5 for the Horizon sequel, so maybe they are waiting to have that engine upgrade done before releasing the PS5 ports.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Hate on the ports all you want, but From Software games still run and look way better on PC than they ever did on consoles.

Except for the original Dark Souls where they didn't even bother to add a 1080p display option, but I get your point.

 

[LazyParrot]

Except for the original Dark Souls where they didn't even bother to add a 1080p display option, but I get your point.

On PC when the devs don't bother, sometimes users will. Durante's patch that fixed the resolution and framerate issues along with numerous other problems was out within 24 hours of the game's release, IIRC.

 

[Tsukumo]

Can't wait for these games to get the broad recognition they deserve. There's still people who pass on them or shit on them for being Sony exclusives. Hopefully console warriors will give them a chance this time.

 

[Nickolaidas]

On PC when the devs don't bother, sometimes users will. Durante's patch that fixed the resolution and framerate issues along with numerous other problems was out within 24 hours of the game's release, IIRC.

Yeah, I know. I somehow took your 'FROM Software games' as 'FROM Software Devs'.

My bad.

 

[rofif]

Except for the original Dark Souls where they didn't even bother to add a 1080p display option, but I get your point.

I would love The Darkness 2007 port in Dark Souls 1 original state...
Some port is better than no port.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Can't wait for these games to get the broad recognition they deserve. There's still people who pass on them or shit on them for being Sony exclusives. Hopefully console warriors will give them a chance this time.

Bloodborne already gets plenty of recognition, deservingly.

God of War is overrated af tho.

 

[kiphalfton]

would rather older IPs like Jak, GoW 1 and 2, Sly, and ratchet. ashame the PS4 version of Jak is pretty bad.

What's wrong with it? I have the first one, and figured may as well get the other two, since we're never going to get another remastered collection probably.

 

[ACESHIGH]

I always thought that Sony could have a mini Steam store with all the first party games they had since the PS1 days. But they don't seem to care about their legacy at all. That's why I don't trust their ecosystem.

 

[SSfox]

Better be fake

 

[Radical Dreamer]

Alright well time will tell.

To put it another way, I myself (and I bet many other console only PlayStation users) would say this:

If Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst come out and say "We promise we will always use the PS5's hardware to its fullest potential, we will never hold back a developer just to make a PC port easier" ...

... then I as a PS5 buyer don't care if PC users get to play Sony games. No worries. I don't care if a PC user gets to play the next Naughty Dog game. I just want Naughty Dog to be able to deliver the same impressive technical achievements every game. Their games are polished and beautiful. It's reasonable to worry if that would continue if they had to add PC to dev. Console war BS aside, more people enjoying great games made by hardworking devs is good.

The core idea is console users just want their machines to be used to their fullest potential, and also not get buggy broken multiplatform releases (like CyberPunk on PS4 / XOne) from 1st party devs. (And ya, CP2077 was sent out before it was ready. Still tho.)

Sony and Nintendo studios are really the only devs who get to just focus on 1 platform. Even Xbox has to put every game on PC now. The fear is Sony would become effectively just another multiplatform pub, like Xbox are. And we've seen some very big multiplatform games have some issues at launch on some platforms, like CyberPunk on console, RDR2 on PC, also HZD on PC, etc.

I'll be VERY curious to see what Xbox set the I/O minimum spec on PC for their next gen only games.

Like if the new Forza Motorsport is Series X/S and PC only, what do you think they will require for min spec on PC? A SATA SSD? Or will they really require a Gen3/4 NVMe SSD?

You know how these promises from suits like ryan and hults works, right? Lmao

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Generations don't mean what they used to because we've hit diminishing returns in general. All of the consoles are essentially the same now for ease of development in these more advanced games, and it also exacerbates the lack of uniqueness.

100% true.

New gen games look better, but the return on pixel count is negligible. RT is the new thing that seems to be the make or breaker for graphics.

But those jumps in visuals were huge:

8 to 16 bit
16 bit to 32 bit early 3D
32 bit to that Xbox/PS2/GC era
That era to 360/PS3 was a decent jump too.

But from 360/PS3 to Xbox One/PS4, and now last gen to PS5/Series X, that magnifying glass is sure getting bigger.

 

[Keihart]

Mark my words Sony don't have the money or infrastructure to compete were the gaming infrastructure is moving. Playstation 1st party will end up on gamepass at this rate or Sony sell the divison all together

Could be, to me it really looks to like preparing for a bail out or something similar. Companies looking to grow don't move everything around profit unless they are too deep in loses, Sony it's looking super stingy right now, someone wants their money back or something.

 

[SSfox]

Mark my words Sony don't have the money or infrastructure to compete were the gaming infrastructure is moving. Playstation 1st party will end up on gamepass at this rate or Sony sell the divison all together

You mean that thing that nobody cares about and that MS had to sell it for 1$ to be able reach 15 millions subs in 5 years lifespan?

Nice try

 

[crazepharmacist]

Wait is this guy CBOAT?

 

[triplestation]

its gonna be a happy day when bloodborne comes to pc

i never played it but i can easily sense how legendary that game is

 

[Andodalf]

100% true.

New gen games look better, but the return on pixel count is negligible. RT is the new thing that seems to be the make or breaker for graphics.

But those jumps in visuals were huge:

8 to 16 bit
16 bit to 32 bit early 3D
32 bit to that Xbox/PS2/GC era
That era to 360/PS3 was a decent jump too.

But from 360/PS3 to Xbox One/PS4, and now last gen to PS5/Series X, that magnifying glass is sure getting bigger.

PBR made X1/PS4 games look way different from 360 games. AC Unity was a great showcase of this, materials looked real instead of everything being plastic.

 

[me0wish]

When will Nintendo start releasing their games on pc

 

[Azurro]

PBR made X1/PS4 games look way different from 360 games. AC Unity was a great showcase of this, materials looked real instead of everything being plastic.

I'm still waiting for an AC game to look as good as Unity, even with the transformative power of extra trees and fluddier clouds, AC:Valhalla still looks like an upressed PS4 game in high resolution on PC.