Appreciation of what you have

teezzy

Banned
Desire is the root of all suffering
To end suffering, end desire

Buddha said that or something like it once

Makes me think. I'm such a sucker for this consumer culture sometimes but I have almost everything I could want that I could buy. Tons of clothes, games, books, a roof over my head, the best dog in the world etc

I'm gonna appreciate what I have. Stay humble. Keep grinding and getting that paper up and exercising to get in shape

Hope you're all blessed 🙌
 

kretos

Banned
what about what you don't have

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Spaceman292

Banned
Desire is the root of all suffering
To end suffering, end desire

Buddha said that or something like it once

Makes me think. I'm such a sucker for this consumer culture sometimes but I have almost everything I could want that I could buy. Tons of clothes, games, books, a roof over my head, the best dog in the world etc

I'm gonna appreciate what I have. Stay humble. Keep grinding and getting that paper up and exercising to get in shape

Hope you're all blessed 🙌
Cut back on the wacky tobaccy, Shaggy
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Desire is the root of all suffering
To end suffering, end desire

Buddha said that or something like it once

Makes me think. I'm such a sucker for this consumer culture sometimes but I have almost everything I could want that I could buy. Tons of clothes, games, books, a roof over my head, the best dog in the world etc

I'm gonna appreciate what I have. Stay humble. Keep grinding and getting that paper up and exercising to get in shape

Hope you're all blessed 🙌

I agree. Appreciate what you have, and don't get too caught up in a materialistic lifestyle where you're always trying to keep up with the Joneses. Constant pursuit of happiness can lead to stress, depression and an overall unhappy experience.

However, I also wouldn't go too far down the 'desire is the root of all suffering' path. You could end up like Arthur Schopenhauer, and live a life of extreme pessimism where you'll question everything in life that gives you joy.
 
However, I also wouldn't go too far down the 'desire is the root of all suffering' path. You could end up like Arthur Schopenhauer, and live a life of extreme pessimism where you'll question everything in life that gives you joy.
It's not about optimism *or* pessimism. It's about non-attachment. You accept the joys and pleasures that come. You also accept the sorrows and pains that come. You allow all without that internal struggle to maintain a certain "good" state of affairs (as labeled by the mind), as such a struggle inherently goes against the very nature of existence. All is constantly in flux, and today's joy is *inevitably* tomorrow's sorrow. (and vice versa) The sun rises and falls. Knowing this you are free, and all flows through you in a state of detached, yet present, peace.
 
Wife and I are pretty minimalist and don't really chase fashion or bling or keeping up with the Joneses etc. Decent house/shelter, reliable transport, food on the table, happy kids, health and generally just having a good time. It helps to not worry about money pay check to pay check, been there done that decades ago. Never again and we're not out to be billionaires or work ourselves to death. I don't understand this culture of material validation or being jealous of what others have. I/we have never subscribed to that way of life.

Appreciate your first world life. You have it better than half the planet.
 
The older I get the more minimalist I want to get. Though thats to me traveling/moving around a lot so after some time, you get tired of packing up the same shit over and over and realise how much stress free you would be if you never had those things. Unfortunately I think its human nature to wish for more, not materialistic but success as well and its a two edged sword. If you dont have that drive, than you can end up stuck and never achieving something greater. But at the same time you can end up never satisfied. Sure, I see someone in a bad physical shape and think to myself, damn im lucky I dont deal with that but then next day im wondering why my friend is more successful than me or are the current life decisions I made good or bad etc.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
got news for you OP and others, getting rid of desire and wants and greed won’t end your suffering. It won’t stop you from getting cancer. It won’t stop your loved ones from dieing unexpectedly. It won’t save your job when you lose it. Suffering, death, sadness, depression, those things don’t care wether you have desires, greed, love, hate or anything else in you, they will still come for you.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
It's your money do what you want..... but don't blow it all and then beg for handouts. Don't be irresponsible.

Worry about what you have..... and don't worry about what others have. Don't be jealous.

Be as charitable or not as you want (I know I'm not aside from occasional hospital lotteries and $50 here and there)..... but when I kick the bucket I'm giving all my assets to family, and even perhaps a bit for super close friends I grew up with if they are still alive. Sorry leeches, I'm a family tree guy first. Everyone else can make their own money.
 
got news for you OP and others, getting rid of desire and wants and greed won’t end your suffering. It won’t stop you from getting cancer. It won’t stop your loved ones from dieing unexpectedly. It won’t save your job when you lose it. Suffering, death, sadness, depression, those things don’t care wether you have desires, greed, love, hate or anything else in you, they will still come for you.

The desire to escape (or to attain) a particular set of circumstances *is* the suffering. The mental labeling of things as either "must-have/be" or "must avoid" is the only suffering.

There is sorrow, there is pain, there is loss and all the other states labeled by the mind as "negative" within life, but these states we seek to avoid are attached to their opposites. We know sorrow in reference to joy. The measuring stick for pleasure is pain. All things are understood relative to contrasting opposites. We suffer when we attach to an idea of a persistent state that we define as "preferable", when we try to hold onto the "pleasant" - an impossibility. We suffer only because of misunderstanding and attachment.

There is nothing inherently right or wrong with this or any other moment, no matter the content or quality. It is only the judgment of a thing that creates mental turmoil.
 

haxan7

Banned
Let me throw this one back at you for thought.

If we didn't have a consumer culture in the first place, would we even know what it is, or all the material benefits that come from it? If we didn't feed into it with selfishness and greed, would we reap the benefits that it provides? It's easy to look at simpler periods in time with rose colored glasses, but we have it better than any other human beings at any point in time. It's easy to take that for granted in a myriad of ways, including rejecting the very thing that's given us our safety, health, and long lives.

To put it bluntly, my opinion is that consumer capitalism is the miracle that allows us to not die at age 35 and wallow in mud and shit for most of our lives. I am, of course, right.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Let me throw this one back at you for thought.

If we didn't have a consumer culture in the first place, would we even know what it is, or all the material benefits that come from it?

To put it bluntly, my opinion is that consumer capitalism is the miracle that allows us to not die at age 35 and wallow in mud and shit for most of our lives. I am, of course, right.
100% agree.

Without consumer culture, we'd all be humming along in a communist environment where mailmen and doctors get paid basically the same wage and all of us are fighting for loaves of bread lined up upside for blocks like those stories you here about USSR back in the day.

I think it was Boris Yeltzin who visited the US, checked out a random grocery store and couldnt believe how stocked it was. He thought it was faked up for his visit. Sounds easy to me when you grow up in a modern country. All it is is a shitload of companies making stuff and shipping it to stores or warehouses and logistics takes care of the rest. And then a bunch of workers put it on a shelf with price stickers or a shelf label. But to him, he was amazed.

It can even be traced to ancient times.

At some point in time, us humans got smart enough to go beyond survival shit like making fire and scrounging around for food. Everyone was doing the same thing, but suddenly some caveman grew his IQ from 1 to 2 and realized he can grow crops and raise animals, and also make a better straw hut. That's really the start of consumerism and trying to do more and make better things. Then he made a necklace out of fish scales for his honey and her unibrow lit up. Sounds like consumerism and materialism to me. lol

For all the naysayers about Monsanto and GMO kinds of advancements, us humans would be nowhere if companies didn't have advances and standards in growing food with little resources leading to standard edible food.

7.5 billion humans arent getting anywhere relying on ancient farming techniques or growing shitty apple trees riddled with insect bites in the backyard..... like that gross crab apple tree I had in my backyard as a kid.

To be fair, consumerism can be wasteful too. Do we really need 100 different types of cookies on a shelf? Not really. Pretty sure if oatmeal raisin cookies werent invented, life on earth wont disappear. But hey, humans like variety because we all have different tastes.

As crazy as it seems, if anyone looks back at life expectancy was 100+ years ago, it was like 50 years old and the average dude was probably 5 ft 6. Thats why old ass houses have low basement ceilings. But add in consumer and capitalism where money flows, and standards improve. Now we live to 80 and not a shorty.
 
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BigBooper

Member
How high are you? By that I mean, what level of enlightenment?

Anything in excess can be bad. In everthing find balance, else you might end up like this fella, living in a ditch in the desert bragging about being a Linus dirtmunger.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
It's not about optimism *or* pessimism. It's about non-attachment. You accept the joys and pleasures that come. You also accept the sorrows and pains that come. You allow all without that internal struggle to maintain a certain "good" state of affairs (as labeled by the mind), as such a struggle inherently goes against the very nature of existence. All is constantly in flux, and today's joy is *inevitably* tomorrow's sorrow. (and vice versa) The sun rises and falls. Knowing this you are free, and all flows through you in a state of detached, yet present, peace.

It's all a matter of opinion, but it seems very much like philosophical pessimism to me.

Maybe it's because the word 'pessimism' carries a negative image, but to those who practice it philosophical pessimism is a positive and mentally healthy way to live.

There isn't a single school of thought for philosophical pessimism, but to sum it up, it's a worldview that forces somebody to face up to the sorrows and pains they will experience in life, and rid themselves of any irrational hopes and expectations for themselves.
 

INC

Member
I have a roof over my head
A job that is ok, and gives me a slight disposable income, or enough where I'm never in debt
I have beautiful amazing hair
A wife thats into the same shit as me, and hates love Island and shit like that
A dog that is awesome
Close family


Not much to complain about, my biggest issue is boredom most of the time
 
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Zeroing

Banned
I WANT an editing suit, since I NEED it to progress in my career

I want a car, I need it for work


Etc etc
The question is: do you want a Ferrari or do you need a normal car? That’s what we discussing here.

Wanting something for status!
 

Dark Star

Member
So tired of working 9-5 office life, but it’s the simple things in life that make me happy. I try not to spend money on things I don’t need. Just give me my bike, skateboard, some good weather, friends and family, good food … I’m chillin.
 

teezzy

Banned
got news for you OP and others, getting rid of desire and wants and greed won’t end your suffering. It won’t stop you from getting cancer. It won’t stop your loved ones from dieing unexpectedly. It won’t save your job when you lose it. Suffering, death, sadness, depression, those things don’t care wether you have desires, greed, love, hate or anything else in you, they will still come for you.

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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Desire is the root of all suffering
To end suffering, end desire

Buddha said that or something like it once

Makes me think. I'm such a sucker for this consumer culture sometimes but I have almost everything I could want that I could buy. Tons of clothes, games, books, a roof over my head, the best dog in the world etc

I'm gonna appreciate what I have. Stay humble. Keep grinding and getting that paper up and exercising to get in shape

Hope you're all blessed 🙌
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I think you graduated from step 2 to step 3.

This is a good thing. But don't forget that if you lose access to steps 1 and 2, you can very quickly go back down the pyramid.
 

teezzy

Banned
Maslows-Hierarchy-of-Needs.jpg


I think you graduated from step 2 to step 3.

This is a good thing. But don't forget that if you lose access to steps 1 and 2, you can very quickly go back down the pyramid.

Hierarchy of needs...

Yeah I've seen it

Friends are whatever. I prefer to keep em at a distance.. A family of my own would be a dream for me

Thanks Miku
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
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I think you graduated from step 2 to step 3.

This is a good thing. But don't forget that if you lose access to steps 1 and 2, you can very quickly go back down the pyramid.
Wow. Last time I saw this kind of pyramid was Psych 100 in first year university.

I'm at the green stage. If I really wanted to hit the top tier, I'd force myself to get an accounting designation like lots of people in finance, and do some volunteer work or something. Only way to be a finance exec is to have a CA.

But for me green and below is good enough. The top tier sounds like a person is forcing themselves to do things they dont want to do. To me, it sounds like the green tier should be top dog.
 
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It's all a matter of opinion, but it seems very much like philosophical pessimism to me.

Maybe it's because the word 'pessimism' carries a negative image, but to those who practice it philosophical pessimism is a positive and mentally healthy way to live.

There isn't a single school of thought for philosophical pessimism, but to sum it up, it's a worldview that forces somebody to face up to the sorrows and pains they will experience in life, and rid themselves of any irrational hopes and expectations for themselves.
Surely pain, sorrow and other negative states are unavoidable. And understanding that can help free you from their impact as you let go of that resistance to whatever *is*.
 

Punished Miku

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Wow. Last time I saw this kind of pyramid was Psych 100 in first year university.

I'm at the green stage. If I really wanted to hit the top tier, I'd force myself to get an accounting designation like lots of people in finance, and do some volunteer work or something. Only way to be a finance exec is to have a CA.

But for me green and below is good enough. The top tier sounds like a person is forcing themselves to do things they dont want to do. To me, it sounds like the green tier should be top dog.
I'm on the final stages of step 3, early beginnings of step 4 I guess.

The last step is always the vaguest, because I always thought it could mean lots of different things for different people. I think it's just that final step where you leave a lasting mark that outlasts you after death in some way, so you die without significant regrets basically. Could be nearly anything, depending on the person really.

I think step 5 is real, it's just a late stage of life. These are all broadly applicable stages of growth that most people will recognize in some form or another. I could see thinking about step 5 in later years being more significant, once you realize that you're going to die and think of things outside of yourself basically. I think it's natural to value different things at that stage, and think of everything differently and a little more selflessly (if your previous needs are met).
 
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CloudNull

Banned
got news for you OP and others, getting rid of desire and wants and greed won’t end your suffering. It won’t stop you from getting cancer. It won’t stop your loved ones from dieing unexpectedly. It won’t save your job when you lose it. Suffering, death, sadness, depression, those things don’t care wether you have desires, greed, love, hate or anything else in you, they will still come for you.

Yes it all comes for you some day but being strong enough to cope and handle your emotions is how you survive. One of the first steps of handling it all is to count your blessings.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
Yes it all comes for you some day but being strong enough to cope and handle your emotions is how you survive. One of the first steps of handling it all is to count your blessings.

Oh I agree, I just hate the phrase "To end suffering, end desire" its a bullshit phrase. Surviving is not the same as "ending suffering" as the OP stated. There will never be an end to suffering, just moments of reprieve from it in the roller coaster of life.
 
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Raven117

Member
Totally man. Keep it all in perspective.

I keep things pretty trim in my life. I live far below my means and invest the money I save. I don't want for much, but I don't want much.

Then I can retire early and do what I want for the rest of my days.
 
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Soodanim

Member
I’ve never wanted for a lot. I’ve always appreciated what I have, and I have quite simple tastes. It probably comes from a childhood where my parents didn’t have a lot of money. I’m happy to be like this, because I don’t base my happiness on what I have and don’t have. That’s a road that either leads you to be a depressed or a hated rich man. Neither are fulfilling outcomes, really.

Kids who are born into a bit more money than average and don’t appreciate it are damaged. I’ve known people like that. People who crash a car and their parents just buy them a brand new one. It’s the parents’ fault of course, they should have taught them to appreciate money. I always think back to a quote from My Wife And Kids:
“But dad, we’re rich.”
“I’m rich. You’re broke.”
 
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teezzy

Banned
Oh I agree, I just hate the phrase "To end suffering, end desire" its a bullshit phrase. Surviving is not the same as "ending suffering" as the OP stated. There will never be an end to suffering, just moments of reprieve from it in the roller coaster of life.

If you had cancer, you'd have the desire not to have cancer

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