Panajev2001a
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… and? I am not sure what is your point? You are free to make your own "is there a PC faster than a PS5 and can I buy it now?" (Hint: yes) video on YouTube, but I do not think it was
NXGamer
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Snake00
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You can always make that argument. You can always find a PC setup that exactly matches or exceedes the consoles performance.
In my region a 2070 alone costs more than a ps5, so based on price this is a very fair comparison.
MightySquirrel
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And what is your point in defending the guy in op vid? You've been told multiple times now by multiple people in this thread that the guy chose the CPU that is Zen1+ [PS5 got a newer gen Zen 2] and a gfx card that is weaker than the one in ps5 in games without RT. Maybe it was done deliberately to make ps5 look great or he's just clueless which I doubt on latter.… and? I am not sure what is your point? You are free to make your own "is there a PC faster than a PS5 and can I buy it now?" (Hint: yes) video on YouTube, but I do not think it was
edit rtx2070 gets beaten by RDNA1 5700xt and you have RDNA2 10TF in PS5.
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Negotiator101
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N1tr0sOx1d3
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Well it's not exactly hindering itLove the way he makes our the PS5 design is helping it out perform the PC
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Shmunter
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I think it's because PS5 running in bc is not flexing the PS5, it's running with one arm tied behind its back. A proper PS5 title would have access to the full cpu/GPU/ram etc.Well it's not exactly hindering it
Edit: actually I have no idea what he means. Carry on
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MightySquirrel
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Love the way he makes our the PS5 design is helping it out perform the PC
Yeah, I don't wanna claim it without a doubt, but I'm starting to think he did this deliberately, for sure.
I mean you only need to look at his choice of hardware:
PC: Zen1 CPU + 2070 [keep in mind that 10TF RDNA1 5700xt edges it]
PS5: Zen2 CPU + 10TF RDNA2
So PS5 gets newer gen CPU and a newer gen 10TF RDNA2 gfx chip that is newer gen than 5700xt that already beats 2070.... hmm]
Looks very amateurish, if we're being very forgiving.
Shmunter
Member
Only thing is, game is ps4 game. It's not doing any zen2 or rdna2 specific workloads. PS5 is essentially overclocking a PS4 - 2013 era hardware.
DenchDeckard
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I'm quite confused why you would do this, if you're expected to be taken seriously?
Pretty embarrassing. A 3 year old graphics card and cpu vs the ps5 and with higher settings than what's running on the ps5 version?
Pretty embarrassing. A 3 year old graphics card and cpu vs the ps5 and with higher settings than what's running on the ps5 version?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I could ask you the same thing. Why are you attacking the guy and assuming a nefarious agenda here?
Right… and? People describe the HW, I am not disputing the statement about HW components being faster or slower than PS5.
So? To me it looks like you have your interpretation of the following and are trying to force it on others.
You make statement A, I question the conclusion extrapolated from it (or better the reasons he chose that HW), you essentially tell me to shut up by just repeating statement A and telling me others have made the same statement A as you which adds little to no value.
"I have done A and B? Why? Well… because I wanted to do A and B? Why? Well… I told you already I wanted to do A and B!" I would like to avoid this kind of reasoning.
Maybe he wanted to generate positivity about XSX and Windows PC's by making it look like he was deliberately trying to make PS5 look great until people found out his master plan or that was something he knew would happen and the blowback would hurt PS5…
.I think he was trying to compare it to a PC you could reasonably buy and that a good number of gamers on PC would have (trying not to go too much above the $399 budget you would spend for a PS5 DE).
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MightySquirrel
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That's what I'm trying to say. It's not like there's no Zen2 + RDNA2 available for pc [not in apu spec, but still]
He could have easily chose 3700 + 6700xt to make it more honest.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Expecting someone to do a genuine comparison at a Bear minimum us not attacking them, when it's literally what they are setting out to do isn't it?
If they aren't doing the right work and spreading misinformation, it's just as bad as that Austin walker video that came out this week.
Does he know what the bottleneck is? Is it his weaker gpu or cpu? Slower memory? Ssd? Is it because he is using higher settings?
How does the pc perform at low and medium settings. If he drops everything to low does it still have drops? What does this suggest?
I'm pretty positive Alex at DF would deliver answers to many of these questions and more. I'm not trying to start a war between the two outlets I'm just providing evidence of someone I know looks into these things when comparing pc ports to console.
It's also well documented that the pc port was shit and required multiple patches to run better. Does he comment on this and mention that Sony purchased Nixxes to support ports in the future due to this first attempt being poor. This stuff should be covered.
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SenaxxNL
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Not to mention that console games are made for specific hardware. And are also optimized for that specific hardware, every frame counts. And with console games your almost access the GPU directly. On PC there is a lot of overhead DirectX -> Drivers -> GPU. Same reason we see an uplift in performance with Vulcan since this is a rendering technique which is closer to the hardware.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am not saying you are attacking a person if you state your expectation and it differs from what they did.
Trying to directly or indirectly say "Sony Pony set it all up to make PS5 look good" would be as it also assuming intent.
You are comparing the same game on PC vs the latest back compact patch (so not the same performance you could expect from a game built natively around PS5 either, we could agree on that, right?). Is the comparison purposely trying not to show you cannot build a PC that can push this version to 60 FPS or to compare how a mid range PC not too dissimilar on price to PS5 performs? Why cannot it be the latter? I am not saying it is that the REAL reason, there may be others, but I am not sure what is so controversial about it and worth causing an alarmed reaction.
I am not sure he is trying to paint the PC platform under a bad light either, so while you can mention Nixxes, all the patches it took to improve performance, etc… it seems like the most pertinent point and also the most irrelevant too in a way. The point of PC's for the PC fans is that you can keep improving the HW as the games run on a versatile abstraction layer that helps game run and adapt… so not sure the PCDF apparently being up in arms that is all.
I do agree with seeing more profiles and trying to match the PS4 Pro visual settings and go above and under it being interesting, but also how the defaults are set on both. Battaglia has its good bits and pieces, but he speculates a lot and after the whole RT speculations on PS5 (vs his approach to the same RDNA2 based device on the XSX) I am not seeing him as a more objective source.
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Lysandros
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I think this is a very bold statement to make, what's the factual basis on that?
Duchess
Member
Yes and no. HZD isn't native on PS5, it's running in PS4 BC mode, with an unlocked frame rate.
MightySquirrel
Banned
Oh no you typed so much, but have clearly NOT even watched the video.
Here let me point you to the more interesting part, listen closely:
Interesting claim , when you can have double resolution plus other improvements on PC such as:
Snake00
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assurdum
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Uh DF talks a lot of things who can't possibly knows many, many times but why barely anyone point a finger against them like to him? Quite the contrary, if you dare to have such opinion of DF, you are assault by their fans because they are "professional" and it can't be they could be sided because they have more viewers I guess. The level of stupidity they have spitted out implicitly about the gap between the ps5 and series X says how opinable can be anyone who talks about tech stuff.
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Low Moral Fibre
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I think this video only proved that NX has something seriously wrong with his PC or mine is magically super powered. Here is my 2070s at PS settings at 1440p at the same bit that drops to 46fps on his PC.
Concern
Member
"Astroturfing"?
Oh only df does that for ms. What's funny is how people were just saying "who cares about updating a 4 year old game" when Hellblade update was mentioned. Now its a great thing for an older game lol.
Shmunter
Member
I find nxgamer a lot more in-depth than DF
Shmunter
Member
But nxgamer is not the only one observing issues. You have neogaf members on here testifying they cannot get solid performance out of the title on their rigs.I think this video only proved that NX has something seriously wrong with his PC or mine is magically super powered. Here is my 2070s at PS settings at 1440p at the same bit that drops to 46fps on his PC.
Anyway who cares, ps players finally get a rock solid 60 with the best 4kcb implementation in the biz. The only issue with it is….wtf took so long.
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Low Moral Fibre
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Even at Ultra settings 1440p on a 2070s I can't get it to drop below 60fps at that bit that was 46fps on his PC.
It's his crap CPUEven at Ultra settings 1440p on a 2070s I can't get it to drop below 60fps at that bit that was 46fps on his PC.
Bernd Lauert
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That part at the 12 minute mark is really cringe. I honestly hope NXG doesn't become a console warrior, I usually like his videos.
MightySquirrel
Banned
Yeah, I understand if you wouldn't be able to lock to 60 on most PC's, then maybe it's not such an outrageous claim.
whats happened to youtube? why does it take 5 hours to reencode 5 min clip..?
Arioco
Member
Or... Maybe he's using the card he owns and he always uses in his videos, not just in this one.
On the other hand it's not a standard 2070, it's been overclocked and in other videos Michael has stated that its performance is around a 2070 Super.
Anyways HZD runs pretty poorly on PC and Michael is not making that up, PC gamer have been complaining about it ever since the game launched. It's not his fault either, so I don't get all the hate. He's just showing us how the game performs on PS4 Pro, PS5 and his PC. Should he get a 3090 just to bruteforce the game and make it look like it runs fine on PC?
MightySquirrel
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Or... Maybe he's using the card he owns and he always uses in his videos, not just in this one.
On the other hand it's not a standard 2070, it's been overclocked and in other videos Michael has stated that its performance is around a 2070 Super.
Anyways HZD runs pretty poorly on PC and Michael is not making that up, PC gamer have been complaining about it ever since the game launched. It's not his fault either, so I don't get all the hate. He's just showing us how the game performs on PS4 Pro, PS5 and his PC. Should he get a 3090 just to bruteforce the game and make it look like it runs fine on PC?
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jk aside. He could have at least got comparable hardware, something in line 3700x + 6700xt
MightySquirrel
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Clearly not. Did you missedOr... Maybe he's using the card he owns and he always uses in his videos, not just in this one.
On the other hand it's not a standard 2070, it's been overclocked and in other videos Michael has stated that its performance is around a 2070 Super.
Low Moral Fibre
's post ? The man is getting high 70's same place.
rofif
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I have 3700x and 3080. On native 4k, max settings game is about 70fps. not sure how much it drops since I've not played much but it feels really weird for a 70fps game
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jk aside. He could have at least got comparable hardware, something in line 3700x + 6700xt
Shmunter
Member
Is it supposed to manifest in the same exact spot? Or maybe just on the 1st time? second run is clear, etc?Clearly not. Did you missed
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
It's because PC has non unified design with bottle necks, it's truly a fundamental flaw of PC gaming
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Dude is really using a 2070 CPU??? -_-'
MightySquirrel
Banned
RTSS lock at 60 + VRR = bliss.
MightySquirrel
Banned
He should clean his PC.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Damn, tools haven't arrived on PC yet.
Huh? Are we talking about an emulator or something. pretty sure the game runs at 60 on PC if you have the hardware to run it.
Even at Ultra settings 1440p on a 2070s I can't get it to drop below 60fps at that bit that was 46fps on his PC.
It could be one of the following:
- Shader compilation issues. IIRC, Horizon can compile all the shaders before playing, or it can do it while it's running. He may not have had a fully compiled shader cache while he ran the game. That can cause FPS dips, especially when transitioning to new areas.
- Old patch. The game was improved greatly by the patches that came out for it post-release. He may have simply not been up to date.
Caio
Member
Yep, great video, but too long title. I would fix it with "NXG HZD 60 Patch", even more cryptic
OLED_Gamer
Member
I fired it back up to take a look at the difference. So so good. I forgot how awesome it is to fight the robotic animals in this.
Beyond excited for the new one to come out. Day 1 buy.
Beyond excited for the new one to come out. Day 1 buy.
GuinGuin
Banned
Yeah, the battles are immense especially when you're fighting different species at once that require different tactics and you have to utilize them all at the same time while staying alive and having 360° situational awareness.
Snake29
Banned
Not if every PS5 user gets the same rock solid 60fps without any drop compared to the PC version.
Your pc hardware is not the same as someone else his pc with this game.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
Yeah I guess shader cache or maybe single core CPU bottleneck as I have no clue how multithreaded this engine is (I think Ryzen 2700 has about the single core performance of a 4770k which is a 2013 CPU).
Here is some combat on a 2070s with alpha effects.
At PS equivalent settings:
At Ultra settings so way above the PS settings:
Bonus running around for 10min with the Afterburner benchmark going at PS settings:
Not a perfect port but the comment that the PS5 is the best version isn't true compared to my 2019 PC and definitely won't be true for anyone with anything more beefy.
The game is running at BC mode, don't forget, games on BC run much worse than native ports. Checkerboard rendering is not free too, you lose performance compared to 1440p native res
Armorian
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I think this video only proved that NX has something seriously wrong with his PC or mine is magically super powered. Here is my 2070s at PS settings at 1440p at the same bit that drops to 46fps on his PC.
It has to be 2700... He should at least got CPU on par with PS5.