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I'm still confused what makes PS5 version the 'best' , when you can run the game at capped 60 fps at double the resolution and with higher settings on PC ?
well for one - it is probably the cheapest option in terms of hardware cost that is able to pull off a locked 60 @ 4k checkerboard .
And i do not talk about inflated GPU Prises of todays.
Even for the normal prices we knew before mining boom and Corona had happend you werent able to get all the hardware you need for 400€.
So i think it is quiet fair to call PS5 Version the Best .
 
Lol, this guy is something else. Cannot bench console against pc, because no checkerboarding? So when you bench dlss vs native, or ultra vs low settings, or df's own console vs pc - it was always for nothing, none of it ever mattered.

By this sweaty post alone, it would seem PS5 is indeed punching way above his preferred platform. No need to look any further for evidence.
he had the audacity to call it serveral times "the PS5 Version" while very well knowing that there is no PS5 version but rather a PS4 using bc to play the PS4 Pro version ..
 
well for one - it is probably the cheapest option in terms of hardware cost that is able to pull off a locked 60 @ 4k checkerboard .
And i do not talk about inflated GPU Prises of todays.
Even for the normal prices we knew before mining boom and Corona had happend you werent able to get all the hardware you need for 400€.
So i think it is quiet fair to call PS5 Version the Best .

Consoles do provide a lot of value for the money. And for that price it's difficult to build a PC that's equivalent or better. But if you can afford it PCs are the way to go.
 
Consoles do provide a lot of value for the money. And for that price it's difficult to build a PC that's equivalent or better. But if you can afford it good PCs are the way to go.
i corrected that for you there. I dismiss every take that trys to make the PC as a Concept automaticly superior to consoles.
 
i corrected that for you there. I dismiss every take that trys to make the PC as a Concept automaticly superior to consoles.

How good a PC is generally depends on what you can spend on it. But consoles have some advantages like being super convenient to use for example. With a PC there's a lot more that you have to worry about. I know I'm going to pick up a PS5 instead of a powerful PC because I love how easy consoles can be. Doesn't mean I won't build a PC in the future that will he a lot more powerful than a PS5. I mean once my PS4 Pro got a little subpar in terms of performance I built a PC.
 
How good a PC is generally depends on what you can spend on it. But consoles have some advantages like being super convenient to use for example. With a PC there's a lot more that you have to worry about. I know I'm going to pick up a PS5 instead of a powerful PC because I love how easy consoles can be. Doesn't mean I won't build a PC in the future that will he a lot more powerful than a PS5. I mean once my PS4 Pro got a little subpar in terms of performance I built a PC.
i also game on both .. unless Total War start to appear on PS5 ..
 
well for one - it is probably the cheapest option in terms of hardware cost that is able to pull off a locked 60 @ 4k checkerboard .
And i do not talk about inflated GPU Prises of todays.
Even for the normal prices we knew before mining boom and Corona had happend you werent able to get all the hardware you need for 400€.
So i think it is quiet fair to call PS5 Version the Best .
..yeah and Smart Fortwo is better car than Porsche Taycan:

well for one - it is probably the cheapest option that is also able to reach max allowed road speed.
and I do not talk about inflated electricity prices of today
even for the normal prices we knew before global warming pandemic waves hit the fan and we started replacing cheap options with very inefficient and ineffective and expensive ones, you weren't able to charge the battery for $15.
So I think it's quite fair to call Smart Forwo the Best.

Wtf kinda logic is that?

60 fps 4K checkerboard Medium settings =/= 60 fps Real 4K Ultra settings;
60 mph in your Smart Fortwo =/= 60 mph in Porsche Cayman,
even though both are limited to 60 mph allowed speed limit on the regular road Taycan will have better acceleration, build quality, range, prob more comfy being larger etc
Plus you can take Taycan to the track for fun, same as you can select horizon to run ~120 fps on PC
 
I'll take it you don't know either ?

Would like to finish the frozen wilds sometime before horizon 2, so maybe I should play it on PS5, if its that much better than PC version? The video doesn't list or show any of the improvements, only a vague statement.

Never said Horizon running on a well equipped PC was the lesser version. IMO, mouse and keyboard aiming alone makes the PC version superior.

I'm sure you as an adult can come to your own conclusion.
 
well for one - it is probably the cheapest option in terms of hardware cost that is able to pull off a locked 60 @ 4k checkerboard .
And i do not talk about inflated GPU Prises of todays.
Even for the normal prices we knew before mining boom and Corona had happend you werent able to get all the hardware you need for 400€.
So i think it is quiet fair to call PS5 Version the Best .
It looks like cheaper but inferior is the 2021 definition of best...

Do you also think that 20 dollars all you can eat sushi buffet is the best sushi out there?!

It's the best for buck, but not really THE BEST.
 
Consoles do provide a lot of value for the money. And for that price it's difficult to build a PC that's equivalent or better. But if you can afford it PCs are the way to go.

More value for money if we talk about gaming.

Otherwise even a 100$ PC probably can have a lot more value than a console.
 
He should totally make a comparison and list all the advantages ps5 has, since apparently noone else is capable.
Only the stutters, these happen on all my tested PC's, as I covered in my PC review last year you can push PC up above PS4 and it really helps in areas such as Shadows/LoD it is not a massive change but the reduced Pop In is much better.
This thread has gotten way off topic. But in case you're interested then I ran the game through Intel's VTune profiler and it doesn't seem very bandwidth limited at all. This is especially true at 60fps where my system only averages ~13GB/s of its ~35GB/s realistic maximum.

Here are a couple of shots that show this rather well. These are captured on a 9900k + 2080Ti at 640x360 with the first running with an unconstrained framerate (at ~120fps) and the other with a 60fps cap.

Uncapped
60fps cap

I don't know what's causing your frame spikes but you could try running at 640x360 just to see how it performs. Even my 2080 Ti is often maxed out at just 720p in this game.
Thanks good info, your CPU is average at 4.7Ghz so that is already 1Ghz faster than I have, but matches my view it is not CPU bound often even on my 2700X.

The Memory graph does show you are 11-18% Dram bound per cycle, good info though and certainly something to delve into more, thanks
 
well for one - it is probably the cheapest option in terms of hardware cost that is able to pull off a locked 60 @ 4k checkerboard .
And i do not talk about inflated GPU Prises of todays.
Even for the normal prices we knew before mining boom and Corona had happend you werent able to get all the hardware you need for 400€.
So i think it is quiet fair to call PS5 Version the Best .
Cheaper = better. 🤦‍♂️
More value for money if we talk about gaming.

Otherwise even a 100$ PC probably can have a lot more value than a console.
More value for money for performance only. Thank Lord Gabe pc gaming is not about performance only, if it was there would not be a reason to play on pc...
 
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Only the stutters, these happen on all my tested PC's, as I covered in my PC review last year you can push PC up above PS4 and it really helps in areas such as Shadows/LoD it is not a massive change but the reduced Pop In is much better.

Thanks good info, your CPU is average at 4.7Ghz so that is already 1Ghz faster than I have, but matches my view it is not CPU bound often even on my 2700X.

The Memory graph does show you are 11-18% Dram bound per cycle, good info though and certainly something to delve into more, thanks

You know pretty well that PC hardware landscape is changing every two years or so and for 10s of millions maybe 100s mill of PC owners who has better specs than me this game is showing very consistent frames. It is not the best port, no - I'm not such a huge sony fanboy to say this, but its not as bad as you're trying to make it look either. Now you understand why I'm having a fun in this thread by having a piss [as you brits say] , because you made lets call it a mistake with your claim.



Don't have a capture card. Using gpu for recording adds some extra load and brings frames down a bit, so it looks and runs considerably worse or even stuttery at times in those clips than it actualy does in real time. And yea I know it's just an approximate numbers since the frametime line doesn't update every milisecond , so I can't see absolute lows and highs , but it's close enough.
 
You know pretty well that PC hardware landscape is changing every two years or so and for 10s of millions maybe 100s mill of PC owners who has better specs than me this game is showing very consistent frames. It is not the best port, no - I'm not such a huge sony fanboy to say this, but its not as bad as you're trying to make it look either. Now you understand why I'm having a fun in this thread by having a piss [as you brits say] , because you made lets call it a mistake with your claim.



Don't have a capture card. Using gpu for recording adds some extra load and brings frames down a bit, so it looks and runs considerably worse or even stuttery at times in those clips than it actualy does in real time. And yea I know it's just an approximate numbers since the frametime line doesn't update every milisecond , so I can't see absolute lows and highs , but it's close enough.

Hair physics breaks again past 60fps???!
 
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You know pretty well that PC hardware landscape is changing every two years or so and for 10s of millions maybe 100s mill of PC owners who has better specs than me this game is showing very consistent frames. It is not the best port, no - I'm not such a huge sony fanboy to say this, but its not as bad as you're trying to make it look either. Now you understand why I'm having a fun in this thread by having a piss [as you brits say] , because you made lets call it a mistake with your claim.



Don't have a capture card. Using gpu for recording adds some extra load and brings frames down a bit, so it looks and runs considerably worse or even stuttery at times in those clips than it actualy does in real time. And yea I know it's just an approximate numbers since the frametime line doesn't update every milisecond , so I can't see absolute lows and highs , but it's close enough.

That performance is nigh on perfect.
 
Obviously I was talking about gaming not Microsoft Excel.
But Microsoft Excel has more active users than all games combined.

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i have no sides in this war but having a 2700x myself and loving the PC platform more, even i have to accept that this cpu is not even "okay" for a proper gaming build

sorry but it rivals with 7-8 year old i7s. the whole glue stuff (two ccx) is not suited for gaming workloads. they kinda reduced the glue effect with zen 2 and completely rid of glue for 5600x/5800x which are perfect gaming cpus

this cpu creates stutters, wont push a reliable locked 60 fps in many games. horizon zd included. i played hzd with this cpu. there were some villages where the performance tanked below 50 fps. it was completely cpu bound, evidenced by lower gpu utilization. i had to suck it up.

most of those drops wouldn't happen on a low end cheap i3 10th gen cpu. just bcoz its 8 cores does not change that its a horrible architecture, it was even horrible when it was released, nothing has changed not, and nothing will change.

when its get beaten hard by a low end i3 that is cheap and accesible to most gamers, you must understand that its high time you change that cpu for your reviews. dunno why are you so persistent with it, dear nx gamer


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pitting this cpu against ps5 would be like pitting a 1.6 ghz jaguar pc cpu against a ps4. do you think it can push 60 fps in bf5/warzone like the ps4 does? impossible. literally impossible.

digital foudnry did a video, admittedly, doom eternal run fine on a jaguar cpu. okay, thats a good optimized one. but cyberpunk literally run half the speed at times compared to console. i can bet that most of the pc ports in the entire generation would run at half speed with the equivalent cpu to the ps4. that's just how thinks works. devs get more out of fixed hardware, low metal api access yadda yadda, u know the whole story

so u have to at least bring a 10400f / 5600x or 3600 (although i dont like the performance of this one neither) to the table for PC sides of things. its not like they're expensive or anything

if anything, 2700x itself costed more than 10400f+3600 combined when it was released (2700x 330 dollar msrp release, 10400f and 3600 could be easily had for 120-140 dollar range at MSRP lmao) yet both will crush and decimate what 2700x can offer
 
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This thread has gotten way off topic. But in case you're interested then I ran the game through Intel's VTune profiler and it doesn't seem very bandwidth limited at all. This is especially true at 60fps where my system only averages ~13GB/s of its ~35GB/s realistic maximum.

Here are a couple of shots that show this rather well. These are captured on a 9900k + 2080Ti at 640x360 with the first running with an unconstrained framerate (at ~120fps) and the other with a 60fps cap.

Uncapped
60fps cap

I don't know what's causing your frame spikes but you could try running at 640x360 just to see how it performs. Even my 2080 Ti is often maxed out at just 720p in this game.
its ccx stutter, plain and simple. whenever this glued cpu's cores communicate across the ccx, it creates huge stutters. these facts were hidden from the usual people when these cpus were first released, everyone was acting like everything was fine, and all stutters in games were tied to developer/windows/pc platform. now that we have proper gaming cpus in 5600x/5800x which provides stutter free experience in both old games and new games, all of a sudden people started to notice that it was zen/zen+/zen 2 guilty all along. if it was not hidden by media coverage, they would not sell well. and would not fund AMD to create a proper CPUs later.

i see some 3700x stuttery videos here. its still a glued cpu. same for 3600. nothing changes.

most of these stutters do not happen on any modern i5/i7 even on some i3s. and of course, zen 3.
 
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its ccx stutter, plain and simple. whenever this glued cpu's cores communicate across the ccx, it creates huge stutters. these facts were hidden from the usual people when these cpus were first released, everyone was acting like everything was fine, and all stutters in games were tied to developer/windows/pc platform. now that we have proper gaming cpus in 5600x/5800x which provides stutter free experience in both old games and new games, all of a sudden people started to notice that it was zen/zen+/zen 2 guilty all along. if it was not hidden by media coverage, they would not sell well. and would not fund AMD to create a proper CPUs later.

i see some 3700x stuttery videos here. its still a glued cpu. same for 3600. nothing changes.

most of these stutters do not happen on any modern i5/i7 even on some i3s. and of course, zen 3.
Thanks for the info. I just looked up some HZD footage on YouTube running with this CPU and, well, shit.

I'm not entirely surprised though and it's a good example of why I don't trust many of these 'tech' channels on YouTube. I ended up with a 9900k instead because I simply didn't believe them.

Edit:

It's not that I think they are 'shills' or anything. I just think they're incompetent.
 
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its ccx stutter, plain and simple. whenever this glued cpu's cores communicate across the ccx, it creates huge stutters. these facts were hidden from the usual people when these cpus were first released, everyone was acting like everything was fine, and all stutters in games were tied to developer/windows/pc platform. now that we have proper gaming cpus in 5600x/5800x which provides stutter free experience in both old games and new games, all of a sudden people started to notice that it was zen/zen+/zen 2 guilty all along. if it was not hidden by media coverage, they would not sell well. and would not fund AMD to create a proper CPUs later.

i see some 3700x stuttery videos here. its still a glued cpu. same for 3600. nothing changes.

most of these stutters do not happen on any modern i5/i7 even on some i3s. and of course, zen 3.
So the tested PC hardware reflects the experience for those that do not have modern i5/i7 and non Zen 3, which is the lions share of the market and cements my point, although this was not a versus video more about the PS5 BC quality and how it compared for some context.
 
So the tested PC hardware reflects the experience for those that do not have modern i5/i7 and non Zen 3, which is the lions share of the market and cements my point, although this was not a versus video more about the PS5 BC quality and how it compared for some context.


you're testing rtx 2070 here. you really think "lion share" of users have that GPU in their system? most of 2070 users will rock 10400fs/3600s/9400fs/8700ks/8600ks. ryzen 2600/2700/1600 and co. are for rx 580/590/1060/1070 class of gpus. they're not meant for rtx and rdna1/2 cards, never was never will be.

anyone who have a rtx 2070 and above will have a proper CPU aligned with it, a modern i5/i7 or a minimum zen 2 cpu that will most likely not have the issues you're having with your cpu that has the same ipc/single core horsepower that an 8 year old i5 4670k had

so no, your tested pc hardware does not reflect the experience of those who have rtx 2070s in their builds

if someone has the budget to put a 2070 on their system (msrp 500 dollar), chances are they won't be rocking a zen+ cpu.
 
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Ah so similar to fortnite where the first round or 2 gets massive stutters but it clears up after your go thru it a few times.
Hey, do you happen to have Fortnite installed on HDD?

I went back to HZD and did some further testing to find the root cause... And found that these stutters were occurring entirely due to the game being installed on an HDD. It was a streaming-related issue plain and simple.

HDD (7200 RPM)
SkjWarK.png


Simply moving the game to SSD completely fixed those issues, all those stutters and hitches are 100% eliminated. Like zero frametime spikes, it's astonishing to see the difference it made, just look at the graph below. So it was clearly hitting an I/O, streaming-related bottleneck on HDD, not shader caching as I suggested in this post (also nothing to do with CPU).

SSD (SATA)
HB5CSVm.jpg


Which begs the question... How in the world are those PS4 and PS4 Pro with an even slower 5400 RPM drive running this section without any stutters while also managing background OS tasks (gameplay recording) on top? The faster HDD on my PC is completely independent of OS/background tasks as Windows is installed on a separate drive (SSD). And how are they gonna run the upcoming Forbidden West on those consoles?

EDIT: those textures and geometry streaming/pop-in issues (seen in the latest DF HZD vid) might explain how they're managing the data on those slow drives. On PC, with an HDD it straight up stutters while streaming all those assets & NPCs in this section. On consoles, they're delaying the loading of those assets in order to avoid harsh frametime spikes and stutters, also the PS4's single pool unified memory probably helps here.
Digital Foundry said:
There are also some nice 'bonuses' in the patch beyond the 60fps upgrade. The official patch notes talk about improved streaming in backwards compatibility mode and we put this to the test by visiting the area of the game that Guerrilla itself told us was one of the most stressful in the game: Meridian. On PS4 Pro, running around this detail-rich area at speed causes obvious streaming issues, with both textures and geometry obviously popping in - sometimes egregiously so. The great news here is that PlayStation 5 completely solves this issue.

So they seemingly have re-worked on the asset streaming part for PC, as well as for PS5 for their latest patch.
 
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if someone has the budget to put a 2070 on their system (msrp 500 dollar), chances are they won't be rocking a zen+ cpu.
They could if they have upgraded their old PC with new GPU a few times.

I had an i7 930, with a Ati 5700 (in 2010), I changed GPU in that twice, first to a GTX 660Ti, then GTX 1660.

In my current PC (built January 2020)
Ryzen 7 3800x
RTX 2060 Super

By the time I need to replace the entire computer I'd guess I'd probably have switched to a RTX 40x0, and then RTX 60x0 GPU.

However it would be an interesting thing to have in the Steam Hardware Survey, CPU <-> GPU cross-reference.
 
I never understood why this game in particular performs so poorly on PC. I know it's been created with PS4 in mind and all that, but so was Days Gone and I don't remember people complaining about its performance. Maybe something engine-related, since Days Gone uses UE4, while Decima was created for PS4, but Death Stranding uses Decima like Horizon and seems to get along with most PCs. I still don't get what makes Horizon so demanding on PC.

it's actually very resorce intensive - 4,2TF ps4 pro had this game working at 4k CB @ 30 fps - so that's half the pixels of full resolution - if you want to run full 4k at 60 fps you pretty much need to double that for resolution and then double for twice the framerate.

Simplest estimate would be you need like 17TF gpu on pc (+/- since architectures differ there)
 
it's actually very resorce intensive - 4,2TF ps4 pro had this game working at 4k CB @ 30 fps - so that's half the pixels of full resolution - if you want to run full 4k at 60 fps you pretty much need to double that for resolution and then double for twice the framerate.

Simplest estimate would be you need like 17TF gpu on pc (+/- since architectures differ there)


You have to take into account the resources necessary to reconstruct the image via checkerboard. CB rendering isn't free at all, it's not as simple as "half 4K pixeles = half computational power required". According to Guerrilla, IIRC, CB allowed them to save around 30% on resources compared to native rendering.

Anyways, the game seems to run particularly poorly on PC for some reason. As I said Days Gone or Death Stranding (this one even shares the same engine) are also 4K CB on PS4 Pro and they don't run nearly as badly on PC.
 
you're testing rtx 2070 here. you really think "lion share" of users have that GPU in their system? most of 2070 users will rock 10400fs/3600s/9400fs/8700ks/8600ks. ryzen 2600/2700/1600 and co. are for rx 580/590/1060/1070 class of gpus. they're not meant for rtx and rdna1/2 cards, never was never will be.

anyone who have a rtx 2070 and above will have a proper CPU aligned with it, a modern i5/i7 or a minimum zen 2 cpu that will most likely not have the issues you're having with your cpu that has the same ipc/single core horsepower that an 8 year old i5 4670k had

so no, your tested pc hardware does not reflect the experience of those who have rtx 2070s in their builds

if someone has the budget to put a 2070 on their system (msrp 500 dollar), chances are they won't be rocking a zen+ cpu.
Again, you are speaking in absolutes and ideals, the market (by very nature) will have a collection of specs and mixtures of suppliers.

Taking this game as an example and how often a games performance is discussed in singular portions i.e. this is GPU bound, this is CPU bound.

For HZD and many games throughout a frame and play it will be I/O, MEM, CPU, Cache, ROP, ALU, Bandwidth etc etc etc. In my tiny test here in HZD we can see all of these at points, specific issues that present themselves at various points. You are only as fast as your slowest point and in the small time I have to test I can only cover the obvious stuff and with the hardware I have. When I get more time with a title then I dive deeper but a games performance issues and delivery across platform make and mode almost always comes down to more than a single factor.
 
Hey, do you happen to have Fortnite installed on HDD?

I went back to HZD and did some further testing to find the root cause... And found that these stutters were occurring entirely due to the game being installed on an HDD. It was a streaming-related issue plain and simple.

HDD (7200 RPM)
SkjWarK.png


Simply moving the game to SSD completely fixed those issues, all those stutters and hitches are 100% eliminated. Like zero frametime spikes, it's astonishing to see the difference it made, just look at the graph below. So it was clearly hitting an I/O, streaming-related bottleneck on HDD, not shader caching as I suggested in this post (also nothing to do with CPU).

SSD (SATA)
HB5CSVm.jpg


Which begs the question... How in the world are those PS4 and PS4 Pro with an even slower 5400 RPM drive running this section without any stutters while also managing background OS tasks (gameplay recording) on top? The faster HDD on my PC is completely independent of OS/background tasks as Windows is installed on a separate drive (SSD). And how are they gonna run the upcoming Forbidden West on those consoles?

EDIT: those textures and geometry streaming/pop-in issues (seen in the latest DF HZD vid) might explain how they're managing the data on those slow drives. On PC, with an HDD it straight up stutters while streaming all those assets & NPCs in this section. On consoles, they're delaying the loading of those assets in order to avoid harsh frametime spikes and stutters, also the PS4's single pool unified memory probably helps here.


So they seemingly have re-worked on the asset streaming part for PC, as well as for PS5 for their latest patch.
No I don't have it at all. My youngest kid used to play it and he got me to try and fix it but it was a common issue not able to fix. I also know the game still suffers from this issue.
Few things for your post though. Do we know what nxg has the game installed on?
Also that second frame time graph gave me a bit of a chub.
 
Again, you are speaking in absolutes and ideals, the market (by very nature) will have a collection of specs and mixtures of suppliers.

Taking this game as an example and how often a games performance is discussed in singular portions i.e. this is GPU bound, this is CPU bound.

For HZD and many games throughout a frame and play it will be I/O, MEM, CPU, Cache, ROP, ALU, Bandwidth etc etc etc. In my tiny test here in HZD we can see all of these at points, specific issues that present themselves at various points. You are only as fast as your slowest point and in the small time I have to test I can only cover the obvious stuff and with the hardware I have. When I get more time with a title then I dive deeper but a games performance issues and delivery across platform make and mode almost always comes down to more than a single factor.
i respect your opinion not much to say against these points
 
Taking this game as an example and how often a games performance is discussed in singular portions i.e. this is GPU bound, this is CPU bound.

For HZD and many games throughout a frame and play it will be I/O, MEM, CPU, Cache, ROP, ALU, Bandwidth etc etc etc.
Precisely.
No I don't have it at all. My youngest kid used to play it and he got me to try and fix it but it was a common issue not able to fix. I also know the game still suffers from this issue.
Few things for your post though. Do we know what nxg has the game installed on?
Also that second frame time graph gave me a bit of a chub.
Hmm, Fortnite uses UE4, didn't Unreal Engine always suffered from streaming-related hiccups so that might be it.
We don't know where NXG installed it on, paging the man himself NXGamer NXGamer so he can let us know. But I reckon it's SSD in his case and the dips he encountered were most likely stemmed from the reasons he described in the vid.
Lol.
 
Precisely.

Hmm, Fortnite uses UE4, didn't Unreal Engine always suffered from streaming-related hiccups so that might be it.
We don't know where NXG installed it on, paging the man himself NXGamer NXGamer so he can let us know. But I reckon it's SSD in his case and the dips he encountered were most likely stemmed from the reasons he described in the vid.
Lol.
SSD but not Sata 600, far in excess of what it can really use but not M.2 or such.

Edit:- Also, Jackie "the man" Chan Avatar, circa Armour of God/Police Story era, love it. :messenger_ok:
 
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Precisely.

Hmm, Fortnite uses UE4, didn't Unreal Engine always suffered from streaming-related hiccups so that might be it.
We don't know where NXG installed it on, paging the man himself NXGamer NXGamer so he can let us know. But I reckon it's SSD in his case and the dips he encountered were most likely stemmed from the reasons he described in the vid.
Lol.
If that's the case there should be some caveat of "depending on your PC" or if installed to platter drive or older CPU and not just it's better on ps5 as a general statement. I also recall the video detailing the stutters with an explanation again just stating on PCI Express 3 you will have this issue, but that doesn't seem to be the case either as a general statement. A 5800x with 3080 on SSD won't have that issue.

If hzd has shown us anything it's PC can have many many reasons for things and unless tested thoroughly you can't give a real conclusive reason for anything.
 
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So the tested PC hardware reflects the experience for those that do not have modern i5/i7 and non Zen 3, which is the lions share of the market and cements my point, although this was not a versus video more about the PS5 BC quality and how it compared for some context.

Again, you are speaking in absolutes and ideals, the market (by very nature) will have a collection of specs and mixtures of suppliers.

Taking this game as an example and how often a games performance is discussed in singular portions i.e. this is GPU bound, this is CPU bound.

For HZD and many games throughout a frame and play it will be I/O, MEM, CPU, Cache, ROP, ALU, Bandwidth etc etc etc. In my tiny test here in HZD we can see all of these at points, specific issues that present themselves at various points. You are only as fast as your slowest point and in the small time I have to test I can only cover the obvious stuff and with the hardware I have. When I get more time with a title then I dive deeper but a games performance issues and delivery across platform make and mode almost always comes down to more than a single factor.

Nobody cares if you test on a outdated system that's not representative of the market. U can test whatever u like on whatever u want if you clearly state next towards it in a comparison that u are using outdated hardware and experiences can verify with more modern architectures where this is no longer a issue.

U don't do that instead u dig yourself in and start to come with all kinds of bullshit arguments and make a console warrior video about best played on PS5, while the game is leagues ahead on PC with higher end hardware. If u don't believe so go google top end hardware and horizon and u will see exactly what i mean.

Then u start to dig yourself into a corner when called out and come with a shit argument because u have no argument about "majority of the market" which makes absolute zero sense. Because the majority of the console market isn't having PS5's for its breakfast also.

Hell there are probably more 3080+ Ampere cards in the wild + amd ryzens 5000 series then PS5's sold entirely in comparison. So that argument also falls flat on there face.

But then if you even look further then that. is that if you actually look at the majority of the market.

U have
:

1) no clue what cpu they have to start with as steam doesn't say anything about architectures, they just say 4 cores / 6 cores / 8 cores ( far more then ps5's sold by the way ) and majority of them are intel. a 6 core of intel = dwarfs your cpu big time as its a minimum of 8700k at minimum in single core performance and even budget 4 cores already steamrol a 2700 for a while now in 95% of the games. Hell as its intel most of those 4 core chips steamrol a 2700 and we are talking here entirely in far far far more hardware then PS5's ever sold on top of it.

2) those people will never ever go over 1080p, which means far less taxation on there hardware which makes benching at higher resolutions completely pointless, exactly what people also stated with your higher resolutions on a budget card. 4k is very much a pipedream and 1440p is very much a niche resolution PC, 1080p is still the main focus here.

3) they will never use a mixture of PS5 settings, they will use whatever settings give them managable performance, as they give zero fucks about consoles and there settings to to start with. if they did they would have gotten a console at this point

4) only 1 million copy's i think are sold or even less of the game on PC ( maybe more i wouldn't know ) on a userbase that's 120m+ active montly gamers and 1,3b accounts which survey does take into account ( maybe not all ) even if the absolute worst case scenario, only 1,2% of the market is actually playing the game ( at best not even 0,1% at worst ). Compare that towards hardware and u will see a single 3070 card already outperforms that.

Then back to consoles.

If you compare the PS5 market vs the console market and then compare it towards PC market and its hardware, u will soon rather then later realize that the PS5 = infact a premium product for enthusiasts the same as a ton of hardware is on PC right now but will become the standard when time moves on, this also counts for PS5 so comparing it to potato hardware is useless.

Affording hardware:

If you can't afford hardware, nobody blames you for that. We all been there and everybody does on PC whatever they can.

But don't start to make statements as u do in your video that ps5 version si the best version u can play and that includes PC that simple is extremely ignorant and frankly if yhou would have done some googling you would have seen that its nowhere near true at all and sounds incredilbe ignoratnt ot he point of just console warrior behavior. Its just beyond idiotic to mention stuff like this. It kinda makes the entire video idiotic to its core.

Because simple youtube googling and u would see what is possible on PC.



Technical conclusions are also wrong:

Pci-e 4 needed to get smooth frame rate because of bottlenecks. yet pci-e 3.0 isn't getting bottlenecked for shit by this game its not even using a fraction of its bandwidth. its shit coding that's wrong with this game back in the day, and with recent patches they seemed to fixed it and push far beyond what consoles are capable, the reason u see so much issue's is your cpu situation.



Your setup makes no sense and your attitude makes it even worse.

Its your typical build that's made by somebody that doesn't know much about PC hardware and it shows.

As many people already pointed out towards you including me over several video's is your attitude of how you present video's with specifically the PC department, u talk about PC as a unity and if your PC doesn't run it, then that's representative for the entire market as u do at the 12 mark u do this more in other videos. Now this could be true if you actually had hardware to backup your statement like for example this:

A guy with a 3090 and a 5950x not getting good performance and talks for the entire market then yes we can all agree with his take. A guy with a potato PC with mix matches hardware drawing the same conclusion over the entire market is simple ignorant and honestly when that person pretents to be a expert and places himself as such it seems platent trolling, the same reason why the PS5 refresh guy gets massive shit on the internet. U are doing the same thing here.

As i said before and many others.

2700 ryzen isn't representative for the market in any way, and it was never a good gaming CPU even when it launched. its a work CPU. U clinging on it while ~8 year old intel cpu's perform about the same and still clinge towards the idea that somehow any pc developer will optimize for it even while AMD see's it as a product is just you being special.

2070 RTX was never a high resolution card, it can do 1440p with trade offs don't get me wrong, but its a in between 1080-1080ti GTX card in 2022 almost, that's what 5 years old if not 6 years old on rastarisation. I have no clue who adviced you to buy a 2070 to start with, it was never a good card. not for its time period, not now. Its borderline budget i would say in current times.

Anyway lets quit rambling as everybody already pointed it out to you so many times, yet u keep sticking your head in the sand.

Conclusion:

Because i already pointed out to you many times how idiotic your benchmarks are that involve your PC setup and u refuse to move forwards or simple state the obvious to eliminate all the critique in your videos which is easily done as i explained before.

I gave you enough time to improve or at least become reasonable in your video's, because honestly the real issue is not your video is you drawing conclusions in that video that are just laughable wrong not even the material i would say that much and even getting worse with this video and your 12 minute conclusion.

At this point i don't think this guy is improving ever, its clear he lacks the knowledge. Makes up arguments to try to validate his idiotic already lost statements to the point i would just call him either a troll or having a agenda himself aka console warrior,

But then again i am not shocked, tech youtubers in general aren't the brightest these days and i love to shit on them because of that.

His main mistake he ever made was pushing his content on a website i am part off, i like to call these clowns out all day long.
 
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Nobody cares if you test on a outdated system that's not representative of the market. U can test whatever u like on whatever u want if you clearly state next towards it in a comparison that u are using outdated hardware and experiences can verify with more modern architectures where this is no longer a issue.

U don't do that instead u dig yourself in and start to come with all kinds of bullshit arguments and make a console warrior video about best played on PS5, while the game is leagues ahead on PC with higher end hardware. If u don't believe so go google top end hardware and horizon and u will see exactly what i mean.

Then u start to dig yourself into a corner when called out and come with a shit argument because u have no argument about "majority of the market" which makes absolute zero sense. Because the majority of the console market isn't having PS5's for its breakfast also.

Hell there are probably more 3080+ Ampere cards in the wild + amd ryzens 5000 series then PS5's sold entirely in comparison. So that argument also falls flat on there face.

But then if you even look further then that. is that if you actually look at the majority of the market.

U have
:

1) no clue what cpu they have to start with as steam doesn't say anything about architectures, they just say 4 cores / 6 cores / 8 cores ( far more then ps5's sold by the way ) and majority of them are intel. a 6 core of intel = dwarfs your cpu big time as its a minimum of 8700k at minimum in single core performance and even budget 4 cores already steamrol a 2700 for a while now in 95% of the games. Hell as its intel most of those 4 core chips steamrol a 2700 and we are talking here entirely in far far far more hardware then PS5's ever sold on top of it.

2) those people will never ever go over 1080p, which means far less taxation on there hardware which makes benching at higher resolutions completely pointless, exactly what people also stated with your higher resolutions on a budget card. 4k is very much a pipedream and 1440p is very much a niche resolution PC, 1080p is still the main focus here.

3) they will never use a mixture of PS5 settings, they will use whatever settings give them managable performance, as they give zero fucks about consoles and there settings to to start with. if they did they would have gotten a console at this point

4) only 1 million copy's i think are sold or even less of the game on PC ( maybe more i wouldn't know ) on a userbase that's 120m+ active montly gamers and 1,3b accounts which survey does take into account ( maybe not all ) even if the absolute worst case scenario, only 1,2% of the market is actually playing the game ( at best not even 0,1% at worst ). Compare that towards hardware and u will see a single 3070 card already outperforms that.

Then back to consoles.

If you compare the PS5 market vs the console market and then compare it towards PC market and its hardware, u will soon rather then later realize that the PS5 = infact a premium product for enthusiasts the same as a ton of hardware is on PC right now but will become the standard when time moves on, this also counts for PS5 so comparing it to potato hardware is useless.

Affording hardware:

If you can't afford hardware, nobody blames you for that. We all been there and everybody does on PC whatever they can.

But don't start to make statements as u do in your video that ps5 version si the best version u can play and that includes PC that simple is extremely ignorant and frankly if yhou would have done some googling you would have seen that its nowhere near true at all and sounds incredilbe ignoratnt ot he point of just console warrior behavior. Its just beyond idiotic to mention stuff like this. It kinda makes the entire video idiotic to its core.

Because simple youtube googling and u would see what is possible on PC.



Technical conclusions are also wrong:

Pci-e 4 needed to get smooth frame rate because of bottlenecks. yet pci-e 3.0 isn't getting bottlenecked for shit by this game its not even using a fraction of its bandwidth. its shit coding that's wrong with this game back in the day, and with recent patches they seemed to fixed it and push far beyond what consoles are capable, the reason u see so much issue's is your cpu situation.



Your setup makes no sense and your attitude makes it even worse.

Its your typical build that's made by somebody that doesn't know much about PC hardware and it shows.

As many people already pointed out towards you including me over several video's is your attitude of how you present video's with specifically the PC department, u talk about PC as a unity and if your PC doesn't run it, then that's representative for the entire market as u do at the 12 mark u do this more in other videos. Now this could be true if you actually had hardware to backup your statement like for example this:

A guy with a 3090 and a 5950x not getting good performance and talks for the entire market then yes we can all agree with his take. A guy with a potato PC with mix matches hardware drawing the same conclusion over the entire market is simple ignorant and honestly when that person pretents to be a expert and places himself as such it seems platent trolling, the same reason why the PS5 refresh guy gets massive shit on the internet. U are doing the same thing here.

As i said before and many others.

2700 ryzen isn't representative for the market in any way, and it was never a good gaming CPU even when it launched. its a work CPU. U clinging on it while ~8 year old intel cpu's perform about the same and still clinge towards the idea that somehow any pc developer will optimize for it even while AMD see's it as a product is just you being special.

2070 RTX was never a high resolution card, it can do 1440p with trade offs don't get me wrong, but its a in between 1080-1080ti GTX card in 2022 almost, that's what 5 years old if not 6 years old on rastarisation. I have no clue who adviced you to buy a 2070 to start with, it was never a good card. not for its time period, not now. Its borderline budget i would say in current times.

Anyway lets quit rambling as everybody already pointed it out to you so many times, yet u keep sticking your head in the sand.

Conclusion:

Because i already pointed out to you many times how idiotic your benchmarks are that involve your PC setup and u refuse to move forwards or simple state the obvious to eliminate all the critique in your videos which is easily done as i explained before.

I gave you enough time to improve or at least become reasonable in your video's, because honestly the real issue is not your video is you drawing conclusions in that video that are just laughable wrong not even the material i would say that much and even getting worse with this video and your 12 minute conclusion.

At this point i don't think this guy is improving ever, its clear he lacks the knowledge. Makes up arguments to try to validate his idiotic already lost statements to the point i would just call him either a troll or having a agenda himself aka console warrior,

But then again i am not shocked, tech youtubers in general aren't the brightest these days and i love to shit on them because of that.

His main mistake he ever made was pushing his content on a website i am part off, i like to call these clowns out all day long.

Wow this looks terrible.
Give people access to reshade and you can be sure they will sharpen the fuck out of it and adjust scurves to instagram levels.
Always the same.

The only thing that NXGamer NXGamer is faulty of, is testing with 2700x. It's indeed about 15-20% ipc performance lower than 3700x. but not too bad of a comparison.
I can say that on 3080 and 3700x, HZD holds noth of 60 on ultra but not much north... maybe around 70. So You pay 2k usd or more for a pc.... which is used 100% the day you used it and already gpu throttling.
Of course pc always can do more if you spend thousands. PS5 is fucking 400 usd.
 
Nobody cares if you test on a outdated system that's not representative of the market. U can test whatever u like on whatever u want if you clearly state next towards it in a comparison that u are using outdated hardware and experiences can verify with more modern architectures where this is no longer a issue.

U don't do that instead u dig yourself in and start to come with all kinds of bullshit arguments and make a console warrior video about best played on PS5, while the game is leagues ahead on PC with higher end hardware. If u don't believe so go google top end hardware and horizon and u will see exactly what i mean.

Then u start to dig yourself into a corner when called out and come with a shit argument because u have no argument about "majority of the market" which makes absolute zero sense. Because the majority of the console market isn't having PS5's for its breakfast also.

Hell there are probably more 3080+ Ampere cards in the wild + amd ryzens 5000 series then PS5's sold entirely in comparison. So that argument also falls flat on there face.

But then if you even look further then that. is that if you actually look at the majority of the market.

U have
:

1) no clue what cpu they have to start with as steam doesn't say anything about architectures, they just say 4 cores / 6 cores / 8 cores ( far more then ps5's sold by the way ) and majority of them are intel. a 6 core of intel = dwarfs your cpu big time as its a minimum of 8700k at minimum in single core performance and even budget 4 cores already steamrol a 2700 for a while now in 95% of the games. Hell as its intel most of those 4 core chips steamrol a 2700 and we are talking here entirely in far far far more hardware then PS5's ever sold on top of it.

2) those people will never ever go over 1080p, which means far less taxation on there hardware which makes benching at higher resolutions completely pointless, exactly what people also stated with your higher resolutions on a budget card. 4k is very much a pipedream and 1440p is very much a niche resolution PC, 1080p is still the main focus here.

3) they will never use a mixture of PS5 settings, they will use whatever settings give them managable performance, as they give zero fucks about consoles and there settings to to start with. if they did they would have gotten a console at this point

4) only 1 million copy's i think are sold or even less of the game on PC ( maybe more i wouldn't know ) on a userbase that's 120m+ active montly gamers and 1,3b accounts which survey does take into account ( maybe not all ) even if the absolute worst case scenario, only 1,2% of the market is actually playing the game ( at best not even 0,1% at worst ). Compare that towards hardware and u will see a single 3070 card already outperforms that.

Then back to consoles.

If you compare the PS5 market vs the console market and then compare it towards PC market and its hardware, u will soon rather then later realize that the PS5 = infact a premium product for enthusiasts the same as a ton of hardware is on PC right now but will become the standard when time moves on, this also counts for PS5 so comparing it to potato hardware is useless.

Affording hardware:

If you can't afford hardware, nobody blames you for that. We all been there and everybody does on PC whatever they can.

But don't start to make statements as u do in your video that ps5 version si the best version u can play and that includes PC that simple is extremely ignorant and frankly if yhou would have done some googling you would have seen that its nowhere near true at all and sounds incredilbe ignoratnt ot he point of just console warrior behavior. Its just beyond idiotic to mention stuff like this. It kinda makes the entire video idiotic to its core.

Because simple youtube googling and u would see what is possible on PC.



Technical conclusions are also wrong:

Pci-e 4 needed to get smooth frame rate because of bottlenecks. yet pci-e 3.0 isn't getting bottlenecked for shit by this game its not even using a fraction of its bandwidth. its shit coding that's wrong with this game back in the day, and with recent patches they seemed to fixed it and push far beyond what consoles are capable, the reason u see so much issue's is your cpu situation.



Your setup makes no sense and your attitude makes it even worse.

Its your typical build that's made by somebody that doesn't know much about PC hardware and it shows.

As many people already pointed out towards you including me over several video's is your attitude of how you present video's with specifically the PC department, u talk about PC as a unity and if your PC doesn't run it, then that's representative for the entire market as u do at the 12 mark u do this more in other videos. Now this could be true if you actually had hardware to backup your statement like for example this:

A guy with a 3090 and a 5950x not getting good performance and talks for the entire market then yes we can all agree with his take. A guy with a potato PC with mix matches hardware drawing the same conclusion over the entire market is simple ignorant and honestly when that person pretents to be a expert and places himself as such it seems platent trolling, the same reason why the PS5 refresh guy gets massive shit on the internet. U are doing the same thing here.

As i said before and many others.

2700 ryzen isn't representative for the market in any way, and it was never a good gaming CPU even when it launched. its a work CPU. U clinging on it while ~8 year old intel cpu's perform about the same and still clinge towards the idea that somehow any pc developer will optimize for it even while AMD see's it as a product is just you being special.

2070 RTX was never a high resolution card, it can do 1440p with trade offs don't get me wrong, but its a in between 1080-1080ti GTX card in 2022 almost, that's what 5 years old if not 6 years old on rastarisation. I have no clue who adviced you to buy a 2070 to start with, it was never a good card. not for its time period, not now. Its borderline budget i would say in current times.

Anyway lets quit rambling as everybody already pointed it out to you so many times, yet u keep sticking your head in the sand.

Conclusion:

Because i already pointed out to you many times how idiotic your benchmarks are that involve your PC setup and u refuse to move forwards or simple state the obvious to eliminate all the critique in your videos which is easily done as i explained before.

I gave you enough time to improve or at least become reasonable in your video's, because honestly the real issue is not your video is you drawing conclusions in that video that are just laughable wrong not even the material i would say that much and even getting worse with this video and your 12 minute conclusion.

At this point i don't think this guy is improving ever, its clear he lacks the knowledge. Makes up arguments to try to validate his idiotic already lost statements to the point i would just call him either a troll or having a agenda himself aka console warrior,

But then again i am not shocked, tech youtubers in general aren't the brightest these days and i love to shit on them because of that.

His main mistake he ever made was pushing his content on a website i am part off, i like to call these clowns out all day long.


TL;DR

I think what he means is that Michael sucks, but I'm not sure because I didn't read it either. 🤷‍♂️

Wonder what Michael did to infuriate all those guys that seem to hate him. I've been following and supporting him ever since he started making his comparisons and videos many years ago and he's a very nice guy and in fact I think he doesn't get enough credit for his excellent work, which is as good as DF and sometimes even better. Apparently Horizon runs now amazingly on PC and if you say otherwise you're a console warrior and a shill. I doesn' t matter that PC player have been complaining about this game's performance since it launched.
 
TL;DR

I think what he means is that Michael sucks, but I'm not sure because I didn't read it either. 🤷‍♂️

Wonder what Michael did to infuriate all those guys that seem to hate him. I've been following and supporting him ever since he started making his comparisons and videos many years ago and he's a very nice guy and in fact I think he doesn't get enough credit for his excellent work, which is as good as DF and sometimes even better. Apparently Horizon runs now amazingly on PC and if you say otherwise you're a console warrior and a shill. I doesn' t matter that PC player have been complaining about this game's performance since it launched.

Shitty ports are possible on PC.

🤷‍♂️

Although I don't think it's right to crucify people pointing that out by calling them a rabid playstation fanboy.
 
TL;DR

I think what he means is that Michael sucks, but I'm not sure because I didn't read it either. 🤷‍♂️

Wonder what Michael did to infuriate all those guys that seem to hate him. I've been following and supporting him ever since he started making his comparisons and videos many years ago and he's a very nice guy and in fact I think he doesn't get enough credit for his excellent work, which is as good as DF and sometimes even better. Apparently Horizon runs now amazingly on PC and if you say otherwise you're a console warrior and a shill. I doesn' t matter that PC player have been complaining about this game's performance since it launched.
That quote didn't say anything close to what you are saying. Why just be shitty?
 
Wow this looks terrible.
Give people access to reshade and you can be sure they will sharpen the fuck out of it and adjust scurves to instagram levels.
Always the same.

The only thing that NXGamer NXGamer is faulty of, is testing with 2700x. It's indeed about 15-20% ipc performance lower than 3700x. but not too bad of a comparison.
I can say that on 3080 and 3700x, HZD holds noth of 60 on ultra but not much north... maybe around 70. So You pay 2k usd or more for a pc.... which is used 100% the day you used it and already gpu throttling.
Of course pc always can do more if you spend thousands. PS5 is fucking 400 usd.
at worst case scenario u get %20 less fps. thats ok, acceptable. im fairly sure 2700x can actually "push" an average of 60 fps in this game. thats not the debate

the video is full of stutters. such stutters is not present on any other arcihtectures than zen/zen+. those two are problematic. they were the beta zen architecture products. amd fixed most of the cache, bandwidth, latency problems with zen 2. this is why they're focusing on zen 2 products: consoles, steam deck, various other laptops, all that jazz. zen/zen+ is left behind by both AMD and developers. amd has tons of guides up in their deck for devs to optimize around zen 2. zen+ is only going to go age even worse with nextgen approaching

although on paper it will only appear %20 slower than a zen 2 chip, in reality it will have greater issues, mostly seen as stutters
 
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Nobody cares if you test on a outdated system that's not representative of the market. U can test whatever u like on whatever u want if you clearly state next towards it in a comparison that u are using outdated hardware and experiences can verify with more modern architectures where this is no longer a issue.

U don't do that instead u dig yourself in and start to come with all kinds of bullshit arguments and make a console warrior video about best played on PS5, while the game is leagues ahead on PC with higher end hardware. If u don't believe so go google top end hardware and horizon and u will see exactly what i mean.

Then u start to dig yourself into a corner when called out and come with a shit argument because u have no argument about "majority of the market" which makes absolute zero sense. Because the majority of the console market isn't having PS5's for its breakfast also.

Hell there are probably more 3080+ Ampere cards in the wild + amd ryzens 5000 series then PS5's sold entirely in comparison. So that argument also falls flat on there face.

But then if you even look further then that. is that if you actually look at the majority of the market.

U have
:

1) no clue what cpu they have to start with as steam doesn't say anything about architectures, they just say 4 cores / 6 cores / 8 cores ( far more then ps5's sold by the way ) and majority of them are intel. a 6 core of intel = dwarfs your cpu big time as its a minimum of 8700k at minimum in single core performance and even budget 4 cores already steamrol a 2700 for a while now in 95% of the games. Hell as its intel most of those 4 core chips steamrol a 2700 and we are talking here entirely in far far far more hardware then PS5's ever sold on top of it.

2) those people will never ever go over 1080p, which means far less taxation on there hardware which makes benching at higher resolutions completely pointless, exactly what people also stated with your higher resolutions on a budget card. 4k is very much a pipedream and 1440p is very much a niche resolution PC, 1080p is still the main focus here.

3) they will never use a mixture of PS5 settings, they will use whatever settings give them managable performance, as they give zero fucks about consoles and there settings to to start with. if they did they would have gotten a console at this point

4) only 1 million copy's i think are sold or even less of the game on PC ( maybe more i wouldn't know ) on a userbase that's 120m+ active montly gamers and 1,3b accounts which survey does take into account ( maybe not all ) even if the absolute worst case scenario, only 1,2% of the market is actually playing the game ( at best not even 0,1% at worst ). Compare that towards hardware and u will see a single 3070 card already outperforms that.

Then back to consoles.

If you compare the PS5 market vs the console market and then compare it towards PC market and its hardware, u will soon rather then later realize that the PS5 = infact a premium product for enthusiasts the same as a ton of hardware is on PC right now but will become the standard when time moves on, this also counts for PS5 so comparing it to potato hardware is useless.

Affording hardware:

If you can't afford hardware, nobody blames you for that. We all been there and everybody does on PC whatever they can.

But don't start to make statements as u do in your video that ps5 version si the best version u can play and that includes PC that simple is extremely ignorant and frankly if yhou would have done some googling you would have seen that its nowhere near true at all and sounds incredilbe ignoratnt ot he point of just console warrior behavior. Its just beyond idiotic to mention stuff like this. It kinda makes the entire video idiotic to its core.

Because simple youtube googling and u would see what is possible on PC.



Technical conclusions are also wrong:

Pci-e 4 needed to get smooth frame rate because of bottlenecks. yet pci-e 3.0 isn't getting bottlenecked for shit by this game its not even using a fraction of its bandwidth. its shit coding that's wrong with this game back in the day, and with recent patches they seemed to fixed it and push far beyond what consoles are capable, the reason u see so much issue's is your cpu situation.



Your setup makes no sense and your attitude makes it even worse.

Its your typical build that's made by somebody that doesn't know much about PC hardware and it shows.

As many people already pointed out towards you including me over several video's is your attitude of how you present video's with specifically the PC department, u talk about PC as a unity and if your PC doesn't run it, then that's representative for the entire market as u do at the 12 mark u do this more in other videos. Now this could be true if you actually had hardware to backup your statement like for example this:

A guy with a 3090 and a 5950x not getting good performance and talks for the entire market then yes we can all agree with his take. A guy with a potato PC with mix matches hardware drawing the same conclusion over the entire market is simple ignorant and honestly when that person pretents to be a expert and places himself as such it seems platent trolling, the same reason why the PS5 refresh guy gets massive shit on the internet. U are doing the same thing here.

As i said before and many others.

2700 ryzen isn't representative for the market in any way, and it was never a good gaming CPU even when it launched. its a work CPU. U clinging on it while ~8 year old intel cpu's perform about the same and still clinge towards the idea that somehow any pc developer will optimize for it even while AMD see's it as a product is just you being special.

2070 RTX was never a high resolution card, it can do 1440p with trade offs don't get me wrong, but its a in between 1080-1080ti GTX card in 2022 almost, that's what 5 years old if not 6 years old on rastarisation. I have no clue who adviced you to buy a 2070 to start with, it was never a good card. not for its time period, not now. Its borderline budget i would say in current times.

Anyway lets quit rambling as everybody already pointed it out to you so many times, yet u keep sticking your head in the sand.

Conclusion:

Because i already pointed out to you many times how idiotic your benchmarks are that involve your PC setup and u refuse to move forwards or simple state the obvious to eliminate all the critique in your videos which is easily done as i explained before.

I gave you enough time to improve or at least become reasonable in your video's, because honestly the real issue is not your video is you drawing conclusions in that video that are just laughable wrong not even the material i would say that much and even getting worse with this video and your 12 minute conclusion.

At this point i don't think this guy is improving ever, its clear he lacks the knowledge. Makes up arguments to try to validate his idiotic already lost statements to the point i would just call him either a troll or having a agenda himself aka console warrior,

But then again i am not shocked, tech youtubers in general aren't the brightest these days and i love to shit on them because of that.

His main mistake he ever made was pushing his content on a website i am part off, i like to call these clowns out all day long.

The Bolded is VERY untrue, you are confusing what you own (and/or friends) to the Majority of the market, here check for yourself.

CPU by Core
GPU by Model
Most Popular resolutions, more people play sub 1080P than above 1200p.
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The rest of your arguments works as well against it as for it, for example you state:-

"1) no clue what cpu they have to start with as steam doesn't say anything about architectures, they just say 4 cores / 6 cores / 8 cores ( far more then ps5's sold by the way ) and majority of them are intel. a 6 core of intel = dwarfs your cpu big time as its a minimum of 8700k at minimum in single core performance and even budget 4 cores already steamrol a 2700 for a while now in 95% of the games. Hell as its intel most of those 4 core chips steamrol a 2700 and we are talking here entirely in far far far more hardware then PS5's ever sold on top of it."

This is true for both sides, STOP SHOUTING AND BEING ALL ANGRY, about a test against PC specs that are not only at the higher end of the market they are in use. This was not and never was a PC v Console test, it was context for the BC quality of the PS5 I have stated this in the video and on here.

The drops are not all related to CPU, the battle with the Sabretooth at the start for example is 100% GPU bound from a fill-rate perspective from the alpha and particles. I could have spent ages going through the various bits but my post above you quoted highlights, a game is never just limited by 1 thing. Hanging your hat on the 2700 being the sole reason is not only foolish but wrong.

Stop talking in silly, childish tones with your little soundbites "Idiotic, his main mistake, calling out this clowns" listen to yourself. The only Clown here is not me, Bozo! 🤡
 
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