Ass of Can Whooping
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What? If you think i'm wrong then say it so I can explain to you once again why you're wrong and you can bow out looking foolish again
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Microsoft: Call of Duty and other popular AB games will continue to be released on PlayStation and Nintendo platforms beyond current agreements
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What? If you think i'm wrong then say it so I can explain to you once again why you're wrong and you can bow out looking foolish again
Negotiator101
Member
There is no cope it's fantastic for PS owners to keep having COD and if Sony allowed Gamepass on PS it would be fantastic for PS owners. Gamepass is ridiculous value for us gamers, you really need to realise how much better value gaming is with Gamepass.
Negotiator101
Member
Of course but it would be even better if Gamepass was on PS, that's better for all gamers.If it's good then most of the time us PlayStation guys will buy it
Negotiator101
Member
Why are you so argumentative? Is it because you're an asshat?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You're assuming that that cash was just sitting in a bag, not generating anything, and could not have been invested anywhere else for an even higher return. Because of this you are not accounting for opportunity cost.
Microsoft could have kept that cash in bank, generating interest. Or they could have invested in another division to earn a higher ROI.
Those chose the gaming division to invest that money; they do expect a certain ROI. If the ROI is negative, for example, the alternatives would have been a better choice for them, from a finance and business POV.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
And you're not? Do i need to bring up your post history with me?
Don't reply to me with stupidity and you'll get better responses
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Menzies
Banned
I'm not sure if you've seen interest rates and inflation lately? That may have been the very reason for the large investment in the first place! Sitting on cash right now means you're going backwards.
Sure they're investing into a business they believe they are in a position to leverage through Azure to open up new opportunities. This isn't what you started off saying, and what many people keep saying here though. The asset still sits on the general ledger.
DJ12
Member
About time to ignore these idiots and their copes.
They are playing Snakes and Ladders, while MS are playing the chess.
Unfortunately for them, MS is playing chess against them as long as they live in denial.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I don't know what's funnier; People still in denial or the fact that MS execs have such a dishonest reputation that No one takes their word for anything.
Gloomnivore
Member
Phil bought Activision to put COD Mobile on Switch. What a guy.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
That's great but why are they starting this universal store mess with Google and Apple too? Apple could pull Candy Crush tomorrow like they did with Fortnite and Activision will lose billions before MS even becomes the owner.
Once again, Sony and Nintendo will be caught in the crossfire because of the eshop and PSN.
It's like they always have to piss off everybody when they want to buy their way into a market. Make your own customers instead for once
Negotiator101
Member
You do it to everyone, you're constantly taking pot shots and making lame insults. Grow up and try to address people with a modicum of respect, OK pal?
Menzies
Banned
I think the bill is on the senate floor.That's great but why are they starting this universal store mess with Google and Apple too? Apple could pull Candy Crush tomorrow like they did with Fortnite and Activision will lose billions before MS even becomes the owner.
Once again, Sony and Nintendo will be caught in the crossfire because of the eshop and PSN.
It's like they always have to piss off everybody when they want to buy their way into a market. Make your own customers instead for once
Plus we've just had the highly public spout between Epic vs. Apple.
They must think regulation is coming so they're trying to get in front of it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Just as with politics, people live in two different worlds in console wars too. Interesting.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I'm okay with being wrong on COD exclusivity and such, along with Diablo, Overwatch etc, but upon a further reading of that statement... it literally can still apply to Warzone and mean games people can already play on Playstation.
All that's really being committed to is games continuing to be available on Playstation, which can mean you'll always be able to purchase, download and play the existing titles, along with Warzone.
Of course COD will never be exclusively available on Xbox, Warzone and existing COD games will still be on Playstation.
Even the beyond agreement and future remarks are clever, and don't ever commit to newer call of duty releases. They could have very easily said "All future Call of Duty games will continue to release on Playstation. None of the future titles in the COD franchise will skip Playstation."
And when they end by saying Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love. That again can mean ones they already possess. No commitment to newer titles past the agreement. And the CNBC interview I saw only convinced me further.
The minecraft example he brought up is common sense. Who wouldn't bring up minecraft when trying to get approval for this deal? More platforms is literally covered by game pass minus Playstation. Game Pass automatically spreads a game across more platforms than PC, Xbox and Playstation. Man even said "HOPE" when referring to support for other platforms.
Translation: Microsoft is setting the PR stage, and fully intends to take full advantage and make games exclusive if the acquisition clears. This was just them presenting their arguments.
All that's really being committed to is games continuing to be available on Playstation, which can mean you'll always be able to purchase, download and play the existing titles, along with Warzone.
Of course COD will never be exclusively available on Xbox, Warzone and existing COD games will still be on Playstation.
Even the beyond agreement and future remarks are clever, and don't ever commit to newer call of duty releases. They could have very easily said "All future Call of Duty games will continue to release on Playstation. None of the future titles in the COD franchise will skip Playstation."
And when they end by saying Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love. That again can mean ones they already possess. No commitment to newer titles past the agreement. And the CNBC interview I saw only convinced me further.
The minecraft example he brought up is common sense. Who wouldn't bring up minecraft when trying to get approval for this deal? More platforms is literally covered by game pass minus Playstation. Game Pass automatically spreads a game across more platforms than PC, Xbox and Playstation. Man even said "HOPE" when referring to support for other platforms.
Translation: Microsoft is setting the PR stage, and fully intends to take full advantage and make games exclusive if the acquisition clears. This was just them presenting their arguments.
DJ12
Member
MS are pushing for console to be exempt due to the business model being loss leader.
Also apple haven't got the balls to take on Microsoft
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
I'm skeptical that Gamepass is good for gaming but I won't derail this thread
It's good that PlayStation gamers still get COD and Xbox gamers still get Destiny
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Well I was responding to the idea that Gamepass is 'free' and PS titles cost $80, both are wrong. You didnt say that specifically but you intimated it.
Look at it this way: with Gamepass you're paying $15 or $10 a month to be able to play COD. Seeing as its a game people play until the next one releases and you lose access to it as soon as you stop subscribing. For 12 months you've paid $120 or $180 to play it.
If you buy it outright you pay $50 or $60 once and own it forever, you dont keep paying the longer you want to pay it.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
The same modicum of respect where you jump into civil discussion chains just to call people idiots and muppets?
Turn off your computer and go look in the mirror you clown
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DJ12
Member
This is not pr schmaltz. This is MSs outline of their plans to appease the FTC. They deviate I'm sure they'll be held accountable.
But do keep on coping on.
PropellerEar
Member
Starting to wonder if those releases on Playstaion will be incomplete and not feature full, when compared to PC and Xbox releases. Sony themselves opened the door with the Godfall PSN release. Although I guess it's not different then exclusive levels, items etc. But Microsoft could lessen the Sony release and add value to Microsoft platform releases. Hope it doesn't happen.
DJ12
Member
A new cope emerges.....
SSfox
Member
I hope Sony will never stop making consoles hardwares, Fuck Cloud Gaming.
GHG
Member
That's great but why are they starting this universal store mess with Google and Apple too? Apple could pull Candy Crush tomorrow like they did with Fortnite and Activision will lose billions before MS even becomes the owner.
Once again, Sony and Nintendo will be caught in the crossfire because of the eshop and PSN.
It's like they always have to piss off everybody when they want to buy their way into a market. Make your own customers instead for once
Because its financial lucrative to do so and Congress doesn't like the power of Apple and Google. They want the King revenue to be more profitable.
Apple can't really pull Candy Crush until King infringes their rules and it doesn't seem like they are going to. If they do, the movement behind the Open App Market Act gets stronger.
Have a look at the bill, it only applies to stores/platform holders greater than a certain MAU within the US and it wouldn't probably apply to Sony and Nintendo. MS might get caught up in it cause they have the MS store on PC as well.
Got bills passed in South Korea and Netherlands, EU is investigating the power of Apple and Google in this area (and others), the open app market act is out of the committee stage and should be hitting the wider Senate soon I hope.
People forget the most profitable company from gaming related revenue is Apple.
Yoboman
Member
I think the big reason for this multiplatform direction is that Sony and MS have seen they aren't number one for revenue in gaming anymore
Suddenly it's a third party publisher Tencent, who dont even have a system. The difference in revenues between the consoles manufacturers and third parties used to be gigantic
Suddenly it's a third party publisher Tencent, who dont even have a system. The difference in revenues between the consoles manufacturers and third parties used to be gigantic
Menzies
Banned
I did find it a bit on the nose that Apple so casually rejected a GamePass app on iOS without much scrutiny. That does seem abuse of platform powers to enter into new markets - game and music subscriptions with unfair advantages.
Team Andromeda
Member
People are just kidding themself's. I bet after 2023 Infinity Ward next COD game will only be on Xbox, XCloud, PC and it be left to Warzone to be multiplatform and of course MS wants Xbox cloud on the likes of Switch
Hitchyhero
Banned
Most likely then is that it will continue on PS5 as is, but what he said could easily mean "of course it will be on xbox and switch. All they need to do is let gamepass on the platform." especially when it comes to the switch, even ps4 cod games would struggle to run smoothly so I have no idea how a ps5/xsc cod could run on the switch without some sort of cloud streaming.
Microsoft is probably being straight here and saying releases will continue to come out on PS5 physically and digitally, but a small percentage of me thinks they are being very coy with their wording.
I don't care either way, cod doesn't interest me, though now they will appear on Gamepass I might give the releases a go.
Microsoft is probably being straight here and saying releases will continue to come out on PS5 physically and digitally, but a small percentage of me thinks they are being very coy with their wording.
I don't care either way, cod doesn't interest me, though now they will appear on Gamepass I might give the releases a go.
CertifiedKiwi
Member
I wonder if that will change once the chip shortages and pandemic eases. Increase marketshare for the series consoles might make console exclusivity a better option profitwise for MS compare to sales they get from releasing on the competitions console.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
You're right. Microsoft can just explain to regulators why they lied to them the next time they're in their crosshairs. I'm sure they'll understand
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Team Andromeda
Member
Dream on if you think MS is paying 70 Billion dollars to become a PS publisher.
We heard all the same talk with Bethesda and is Starfield coming to the PS?. You can beat Warzone will remain multi but I bet you right next the next IW Call of Duty game after 2022 will be Xbox only
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
If call of duty goes multi platform, then why haven't they released Forza, halo etc already on playstation as well?
If you buy one of the best selling franchises of all times and keep it multi platform, then what's the point to have other exclusives to their eco system?
They just released infinite, why didn't they release it for PlayStation? Same as Forza, why wasn't horizon 5 on playstation?
If you buy one of the best selling franchises of all times and keep it multi platform, then what's the point to have other exclusives to their eco system?
They just released infinite, why didn't they release it for PlayStation? Same as Forza, why wasn't horizon 5 on playstation?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Again link to the blog post where MS directly addressed the FTC to get the Bethesda acquisition approved
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I'm sure he will jump at the chance to extend the contract with Sony after 2024 now that he got the okay from MS. No CODs on GP even after 2025
Kotick can't sign new deals.
We should be getting COD on Gamepass by 2023.
What year is this?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yep, the statements are still quite vague and could mean different things. Financially speaking, the mainline CoD games really don't make that much money on Sony platforms (I'd estimate maybe 5% of ABs entire revenue), so Microsoft could easily do without that money.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
A question is a meltdown?
Riky
$MSFT
The main benefit for me is that I spend £70 to £100 on Call Of Duty every year and now I'll get that in my Gamepass subscription, also no doubt Xbox will get the alpha and beta tests first and be a priority technically which hasn't been the case for years.
Sony won't be able to pay to lock a mode out of the game I've paid for 12 months either, hopefully Microsoft aren't petty enough to do that PS players.
No doubt Gamepass subscribers will get exclusive gear, skins etc and the advertising push will all be about how you can get the games without spending £70.
Sony won't be able to pay to lock a mode out of the game I've paid for 12 months either, hopefully Microsoft aren't petty enough to do that PS players.
No doubt Gamepass subscribers will get exclusive gear, skins etc and the advertising push will all be about how you can get the games without spending £70.
Team Andromeda
Member
Yeah, Nice words to get it past the line. Watch Warzone remain multiplatform but not IW next one.
We'll see in 2025 mind
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nah, no point debating this hard over something that we won't even know for sure about until end of 2023 at the earliest.
Let's at least let the deal close so we start finding out what's actually gonna be exclusive and what isn't from the ABK sale.
Shmunter
Member
Timed exclusivity perhaps?
Apart from that imagine if Sony moneyhats exclusives made by ms studios in the future
. Deathloop 2 first on PS!
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I'm not talking about COD with that post. Tell me what you wanted to say
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NonPhixion
Member
The best posts are the ones that think both the CEO and President are being dishonest in their messages to the FTC just to get approval.
Are you dumb?
Are you dumb?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That you were basically saying the same "I need an actually clarified quote before I take the PR to heart" thing I was before
