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Phil said with Xbox it's about giving players option.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
There's nothing more triggering to blue socks than Phil Spencer. Just mention his name and all of them will swarm the thread within a few hours 
DarkMage619
$MSFT
The PS5 option is not hot swappable or portable. The speed of the drive is also not super relevant based on the speed tests we've seen in many games. No doubt on it being cheaper though.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Trashing it
Topher
Identifies as young
if you think that's a feature that warrants the price for Xbox expansion cards then that's fine. I'd bet the vast majority of cards never leave the slot though.
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Yeah I bought the console just to trash it, even though it's the only current gen console I own. Brilliant logic, bub.
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oldergamer
Member
Same bs takes in here as usual when spencer makes any comment. There are adapters available to allow use of other nvme drives. You can still use usb drives, ssd, sticks or cloud if you are all digital. I can tell you im happy with my 2 tb of space
Topher
Identifies as young
Those adapters only work with the same exact model of SSD used inside the Xbox expansion card which are not sold directly to the public. Not really a viable option, unfortunately.
But you seem to be making this more about Phil Spencer than the actual console. And when someone makes a point about the options available you call them a "corporate apologist". Seems like you are just here to pick a fight, dude.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
But Xbox doesnt even have games why would you want to expand the storage.....
Am I doing this right?
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Because that's what Phil said though. If it's about giving players option why limit my options?
Topher
Identifies as young
Every device in a closed ecosystem is going to limit your options. That's exactly why it is called a "closed ecosystem". I don't like proprietary storage any more than you do, but if I was really that hung up on it then I'd only game on PC where I have all the options I ever wanted. And in Spencer's defense, all of Microsoft's games are available on PC so you do have options, but outside of that it seems pretty obvious you are taking Spencer's words out of context. I could be wrong though so feel free to provide a link to where Spencer is being quoted.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
There's nothing more triggering to blue socks than Phil Spencer. Just mention his name and all of them will swarm the thread within a few hours
Does it work the same with Jim Ryan?
Ok, so that's the reason you're in every Sony thread. Makes sense now.
Spitfire098
Member
There's nothing more triggering to blue socks than Phil Spencer. Just mention his name and all of them will swarm the thread within a few hours
Topher
Identifies as young
I'd bet that will be an option when xCloud comes out of beta.
OLED_Gamer
Member
Things my Series X fails at from a consumer perspective:
- Third party wireless controllers (I think there is one).
- Proprietary storage.
- Proprietary wireless sound (had to buy a specific Arctis 7X Series X headset for it to work).
In other words- corporations gonna corporate.
- Third party wireless controllers (I think there is one).
- Proprietary storage.
- Proprietary wireless sound (had to buy a specific Arctis 7X Series X headset for it to work).
In other words- corporations gonna corporate.
nominedomine
Banned
Do you have to like something about Xbox? Damn it...
I guess green is an ok color, I'll give them that.
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MScarpa
Member
So for people like myself who have the ability to play on any console/PC. I would prefer games come to MS over Sony, only because of Gamepass factor. Day 1, etc and Sony's 70$ first party charge. Also the ability to play on my PC, where Sony takes a little bit to move their games over. Just my opinion.
supernova8
Banned
OK so I read through the thread and it's the same people (as always) defending Xbox come what may. Responses have been pretty much:
A) oh come it's not that bad
B) Well don't buy if you don't like it
C) How about....cloud gaming.....?
Xbox can do no wrong, right? (Before people call me a Sony fanboy, go look at the threads where I rip into Jim Ryan over and over again, I really do not give a shit either way, plus of course I fucking hated the Vita proprietary storage for the exact same reason).
It's proprietary storage versus storage available to buy from different vendors. The point really is that a few years from now, you're still at the whim of Microsoft as to whether their proprietary SSDs follow overall market pricing (unless you buy a workaround mentioned below), whereas for PS5 you're not. I'm in Japan, and I can see that on Amazon an Xbox Series 1TB SSD is 28,000 yen, compared to 15,000 yen for a PS5 compatible (Crucial brand) 1TB SSD or if you pay 34,000 yen you can get 2TB (or a Japan Samsung "official" 1TB one for 20,000 yen.
Plus, I see people saying "surely you knew that before you bought it" but remember how easy it was replace (with an aftermarket option, not something proprietary) the SSD on the PS4 (just take off one of the plastic covers, unscrew SSD and replace) compared to the Xbox One (remove multiple layers, essentially half taking the whole thing apart). Even though the Xbox One was a PITA to replace the SSD (source: my old flatmate whose XB1 I used to play Fifa on), it could be done with aftermarket products.
Finally, yeah sure there seem to be adapters but that's another $30 cost burden that didn't need to be there.
A) oh come it's not that bad
B) Well don't buy if you don't like it
C) How about....cloud gaming.....?
Xbox can do no wrong, right? (Before people call me a Sony fanboy, go look at the threads where I rip into Jim Ryan over and over again, I really do not give a shit either way, plus of course I fucking hated the Vita proprietary storage for the exact same reason).
It's proprietary storage versus storage available to buy from different vendors. The point really is that a few years from now, you're still at the whim of Microsoft as to whether their proprietary SSDs follow overall market pricing (unless you buy a workaround mentioned below), whereas for PS5 you're not. I'm in Japan, and I can see that on Amazon an Xbox Series 1TB SSD is 28,000 yen, compared to 15,000 yen for a PS5 compatible (Crucial brand) 1TB SSD or if you pay 34,000 yen you can get 2TB (or a Japan Samsung "official" 1TB one for 20,000 yen.
Plus, I see people saying "surely you knew that before you bought it" but remember how easy it was replace (with an aftermarket option, not something proprietary) the SSD on the PS4 (just take off one of the plastic covers, unscrew SSD and replace) compared to the Xbox One (remove multiple layers, essentially half taking the whole thing apart). Even though the Xbox One was a PITA to replace the SSD (source: my old flatmate whose XB1 I used to play Fifa on), it could be done with aftermarket products.
Finally, yeah sure there seem to be adapters but that's another $30 cost burden that didn't need to be there.
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supernova8
Banned
DarkMage619
$MSFT
This is a pretty disingenuous argument all around. Plenty of Xbox fans were disappointed Starfield was delayed, many wanted more first party game releases although what has come out this year has done well. Many people weren't happy with the current state of Halo Infinite either. This entire argument that Phil 'lied' about options related to the storage on Xbox is pure nonsense. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'Xbox can do no wrong' .
The options Phil was talking about were things like the ability to play games on the cloud or on PC. Xbox is currently the only platform giving gamers the option to not need to purchase as Xbox at all. Not only do you not need the optional storage but you don't need the system either. Add to that the option of getting a lower priced console for gamers on a budget and not charging more for systems and games. The option to play original and Xbox 360 games without having to buy them again is pretty nice too. The option to be able to upgrade games for no fee shows there is plenty of positive options on the Xbox platform. Pretty odd to make up something that was never said and make a thread about it but it is what it is.
Africangamer30
Neo Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
soulbait
Member
Different approaches to storage solutions, both have their pros and cons. No need to whine about it or make it out as if Phil is lying. You can make a constructive post, sharing your dislike in a feature, but the tone of this post really comes across juvenile.
Yes, the additional storage card may cost a lot more versus adding your own SSD, but it does come with its own advantages, like the ability to swap the drive into another console. This is great if you have multiple consoles in your house and do not want to have to redownload everything. Also, you know the drive is going to work well no matter what. You do not have to look through forums, hoping you are buying a good drive that won't overheat and not be as compatible; you know the expansion card is going to work. Sony on the other hand, gives you the choice of choosing which ever drive you want, which means you can shop for the best priced option for yourself and size. You lose the ability to easily swap and assurance what you get will work the best it can.
I feel Microsoft has done better this generation versus Sony when it comes to money conscious buyers:
- many free upgrades to games and easily able to play games on both Xbox One and Xbox Series consoles with no hassle
- all prior accessories work with Xbox Series consoles, so need to worry about buying a bunch of new controllers, chargers, and more (Kinect being the exception of course)
- if you do not want the expanded SSD card, you can easily use cold storage from any USB based hard drive
So with that it mind, it is hard to really go after Microsoft over one expensive accessory, when compared to Sony and the number of additional costs they have for upgrades, accessories, and more.
Of course this is not a knock on Sony, I just feel their choices was not as budget friendly. However, Sony's choice in an all new controller design was great. It feels a lot better in the hand compared to PS4's controller, and the adaptive triggers and advanced rumble features are incredible. However, they do come with a cost. Sony wanted to the PS5 to feel like a whole new experience, where Microsoft feels like an upgrade.
I am just glad I am fortunate enough to afford (and been able to find both in stock) both, because they are both incredible machines.
Yes, the additional storage card may cost a lot more versus adding your own SSD, but it does come with its own advantages, like the ability to swap the drive into another console. This is great if you have multiple consoles in your house and do not want to have to redownload everything. Also, you know the drive is going to work well no matter what. You do not have to look through forums, hoping you are buying a good drive that won't overheat and not be as compatible; you know the expansion card is going to work. Sony on the other hand, gives you the choice of choosing which ever drive you want, which means you can shop for the best priced option for yourself and size. You lose the ability to easily swap and assurance what you get will work the best it can.
I feel Microsoft has done better this generation versus Sony when it comes to money conscious buyers:
- many free upgrades to games and easily able to play games on both Xbox One and Xbox Series consoles with no hassle
- all prior accessories work with Xbox Series consoles, so need to worry about buying a bunch of new controllers, chargers, and more (Kinect being the exception of course)
- if you do not want the expanded SSD card, you can easily use cold storage from any USB based hard drive
So with that it mind, it is hard to really go after Microsoft over one expensive accessory, when compared to Sony and the number of additional costs they have for upgrades, accessories, and more.
Of course this is not a knock on Sony, I just feel their choices was not as budget friendly. However, Sony's choice in an all new controller design was great. It feels a lot better in the hand compared to PS4's controller, and the adaptive triggers and advanced rumble features are incredible. However, they do come with a cost. Sony wanted to the PS5 to feel like a whole new experience, where Microsoft feels like an upgrade.
I am just glad I am fortunate enough to afford (and been able to find both in stock) both, because they are both incredible machines.
JackMcGunns
Member
I mean it depends how you look at it, or you must be new to PS5 because for about a year or more, we had no options to upgrade the PS5, whether cheap, expensive it didn't matter, there was no option which sucked until the first external SSD option became a thing. Also Hot-swapping is pretty cool, you can take all your downloaded games with you and pop them into a secondary or friend's console, sign in and have all your games there.
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Unknown?
Member
Yes you can play on PC if you're using their proprietary operating system.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, but it is an open platform and we are talking about proprietary hardware.
supernova8
Banned
Personally I ignored the fact that PJX used the "options" thing to guerilla-create this thread but the substance of what I said is still correct. Plus, it's not a "storage expansion war". It's one company allowing you to upgrade with various options available on the market, that will get cheaper over time, and another company forcing a proprietary solution on consumers, which will not go down in price unless said company agrees to it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Use case infinitely less important to most than buying a lot more storage for a lot less moneyI mean it depends how you look at it, or you must be new to PS5 because for about a year or more, we had no options to upgrade the PS5, whether cheap, expensive it didn't matter, there was no option which sucked until the first external SSD option became a thing. Also Hot-swapping is pretty cool, you can take all your downloaded games with you and pop them into a secondary or friend's console, sign in and have all your games there.
. Let's be real, if we had to choose…
supernova8
Banned
We had no options and... now we do ... and they're cheaper than the proprietary stuff you're forced to buy (if you want more storage) for Xbox... so what's your point?I mean it depends how you look at it, or you must be new to PS5 because for about a year or more, we had no options to upgrade the PS5, whether cheap, expensive it didn't matter, there was no option which sucked until the first external SSD option became a thing. Also Hot-swapping is pretty cool, you can take all your downloaded games with you and pop them into a secondary or friend's console, sign in and have all your games there.
In a few years we may be able to get 3TB or 4TB PS5-compatible SSDs for a good price whereas with Xbox Series, you'll still be stuck with (1) Microsoft's current sizes and (2) Microsoft's prices (via Seagate) unless they decide to lower them.
Plus, the use case you describe sounds like something hardly anyone would do, as opposed to upgrading the storage capacity, which is something a lot of people will want to do given prevailing game file sizes these days.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Indeed. I've taken my games to my friends house numerous times so I really like the Xbox solution even though it isn't the cheapest. At least Xbox isn't raising console prices or charging extra game fees for stuff so there is still plenty savings to be found. The other thing of course is all of these proprietary storage solutions are completely optional. MS isn't forcing anyone to buy any of their storage devices so this entire thread is silly.I mean it depends how you look at it, or you must be new to PS5 because for about a year or more, we had no options to upgrade the PS5, whether cheap, expensive it didn't matter, there was no option which sucked until the first external SSD option became a thing. Also Hot-swapping is pretty cool, you can take all your downloaded games with you and pop them into a secondary or friend's console, sign in and have all your games there.
pasterpl
Member
So I can say that Sony built in dual sense batteries are anti-player, as while in Xbox I just can replace dead batteries/battery pack for cheap, with ps5 I have to buy new expensive dualsense controller as Sony doesn't provide any out of the box replacements for their controller batteries. Same argument.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
always the option to put a external HDD on there to for storage and move games about. external HDD are getting cheaper now
Slicker than your average
Banned
Op Phill says alot if things; doesn't make them true.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Yeah MS method would be better if the prices were not crazy. You could use multiple if you liked. Just unplug one and plug in the other. It's also possible to take it over to a friends house. Sign into your account and plug it in.
I don't know why anyone would do that., but it is possible.
I don't know why anyone would do that., but it is possible.
Topher
Identifies as young
More of a "whataboutism" than the same argument. Same thing if someone brought up storage expansion when debating the merits of built-rechargeable vs replaceable.
lostinblue
Banned
Choice between S(Ass) and X(Tits)?
pasterpl
Member
More interesting is what recent Spencer interview this quote was taken from? It is obviously out of context, maybe it is this;
But then why we are discussing storage expansion? We might as well discuss replaceable batteries in controllers, we have 0 context, so I would say it is free for all.if this is indeed the source of the quote then someone brought storage expansion when discussion should be about devices availability for Xbox games.
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CeeJay
Member
What a weird argument.
It's like asking why you can only buy and install Xbox games on your Xbox console.
You do have options if you are struggling with storage capacity;
Buy the proprietary card
Plug-in an external drive and store them there
Uninstall games to make space
Play via Xcloud to avoid using any space whatsoever
Options!
It's also such an odd argument to also say that because Phil once said that "it's about giving players options" it means that every possible option for every single possible scenario you can think up can be held to account. I'm sure within the context of what he said he wasn't wrong. Some people here seem to think that you can post any random comment in isolation and then throw any random scenario at it to somehow prove whoever said it is a liar.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's pretty much what I was saying earlier. I just don't like trading one console warrior argument for another.