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Phil said with Xbox it's about giving players option.

always the option to put a external HDD on there to for storage and move games about. external HDD are getting cheaper now

It's what I do. No plans to buy an overpriced expansion card at the moment. Legacy and XBO games run extremely well on an external 1TB USB SSD. Much faster than they did on their native hardware.
 
It's what I do. No plans to buy an overpriced expansion card at the moment. Legacy and XBO games run extremely well on an external 1TB USB SSD. Much faster than they did on their native hardware.
Yep, I just have my old spinning disk external 3TB HDD that I unplugged from my old Xbox One and plugged straight into the Series X. Most of the stuff just carried on working. It's slow compared to SSD but is adequate for running XB1 and BC games off for me. I would imagine an external SSD would be not far off the same performance as having them on the internal and also make moving games from one to the other super quick. 1TB capacity on the internal SSD has been more than adequate for me although I did have to uninstall Flight Simulator to make some room. I don't play it enough to warrant having it on there and I find it plays pretty well via Xcloud for those times I want to fire it up and fly around. Most games are well under 100GB so you can easily fit well over a dozen games on internal and that's just for the ones that are mandated for internal storage which isn't necessarily everything. There is certainly enough flexibility and "options" there for most and it's certainly not so restrictive that it's worth getting outraged about. The Series S on the other hand, I can see the storage on that being a bit tight for people who bought one not realising the capacity.
 
What a weird argument.

It's like asking why you can only buy and install Xbox games on your Xbox console.

You do have options if you are struggling with storage capacity;

Buy the proprietary card
Plug-in an external drive and store them there
Uninstall games to make space
Play via Xcloud to avoid using any space whatsoever

Options!

It's also such an odd argument to also say that because Phil once said that "it's about giving players options" it means that every possible option for every single possible scenario you can think up can be held to account. I'm sure within the context of what he said he wasn't wrong. Some people here seem to think that you can post any random comment in isolation and then throw any random scenario at it to somehow prove whoever said it is a liar.
Valid points I'm sure will go unseen. Nobody is forced to buy anything
 
We had no options and... now we do ... and they're cheaper than the proprietary stuff you're forced to buy (if you want more storage) for Xbox... so what's your point?
In a few years we may be able to get 3TB or 4TB PS5-compatible SSDs for a good price whereas with Xbox Series, you'll still be stuck with (1) Microsoft's current sizes and (2) Microsoft's prices (via Seagate) unless they decide to lower them.

Plus, the use case you describe sounds like something hardly anyone would do, as opposed to upgrading the storage capacity, which is something a lot of people will want to do given prevailing game file sizes these days.


My point? my point is that there was NO OPTION! that's HUGE. You ran out of storage and you were SOL. Not the best planning on Sony's part, it happens with their TVs as well, I don't get it really, they have HDMI 2.1, but did not support VRR until a recent firmware update, it's a thing regardless if you want to sweep the issue under the rug. MS knew these SSDs weren't going to be ready and partnered with Seagate to create a solution that was available day one. Sure, there are drawbacks to this, and that is that they're expensive, but the proprietary drives will also go on sale once in a while and prices will come down too eventually. The hot swapping is something that many gamers do, just because you don't, doesn't make it any less cool and convenient feature.
 
What a weird argument.

It's like asking why you can only buy and install Xbox games on your Xbox console.

You do have options if you are struggling with storage capacity;

Buy the proprietary card
Plug-in an external drive and store them there
Uninstall games to make space
Play via Xcloud to avoid using any space whatsoever

Options!

It's also such an odd argument to also say that because Phil once said that "it's about giving players options" it means that every possible option for every single possible scenario you can think up can be held to account. I'm sure within the context of what he said he wasn't wrong. Some people here seem to think that you can post any random comment in isolation and then throw any random scenario at it to somehow prove whoever said it is a liar.
LMAO I bet you also like it when Apple do such things like proprietary charger. LMFAO
Corporate apologists smdh
 
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LMAO I bet you also like it when Apple do such things like proprietary charger. LMFAO
Corporate apologists smdh
You seem to think you know a lot about me although nope, I don't buy Apple products. Haven't done since my 3rd gen iPod. I also haven't bought the Series X storage expansion either. Fact is that you don't need to. Don't call me a corporate apologist either. In my post I said that you do have options on Series X including buying the expansion but also said that Series S internal storage is too small. I just call it like I see it and try to be as unbiased as possible. I happen to think Series X is an awesome console and also agree that the expansion is over priced but, you don't need to buy it.
 
You seem to think you know a lot about me although nope, I don't buy Apple products. Haven't done since my 3rd gen iPod. I also haven't bought the Series X storage expansion either. Fact is that you don't need to. Don't call me a corporate apologist either. In my post I said that you do have options on Series X including buying the expansion but also said that Series S internal storage is too small. I just call it like I see it and try to be as unbiased as possible. I happen to think Series X is an awesome console and also agree that the expansion is over priced but, you don't need to buy it.
It doesn't matter if o know about you or not. Proprietary stuff is anti consumer. Stuff being a corporate apologist. Smdh
 
So I can say that Sony built in dual sense batteries are anti-player, as while in Xbox I just can replace dead batteries/battery pack for cheap, with ps5 I have to buy new expensive dualsense controller as Sony doesn't provide any out of the box replacements for their controller batteries. Same argument.

You're assuming I'm a Sony fanboy and thus will blindly defend the PS5. Wrong. I agree that rechargeable batteries are better. I liked the fact that the 360 controllers allowed you to use either a battery pack or replace the actual AA batteries.

Your whataboutery only works on actual Sony fanboys, which I am not.

Game set and match.

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My point? my point is that there was NO OPTION! that's HUGE. You ran out of storage and you were SOL. Not the best planning on Sony's part, it happens with their TVs as well, I don't get it really, they have HDMI 2.1, but did not support VRR until a recent firmware update, it's a thing regardless if you want to sweep the issue under the rug. MS knew these SSDs weren't going to be ready and partnered with Seagate to create a solution that was available day one. Sure, there are drawbacks to this, and that is that they're expensive, but the proprietary drives will also go on sale once in a while and prices will come down too eventually. The hot swapping is something that many gamers do, just because you don't, doesn't make it any less cool and convenient feature.

I agree that Sony only unlocking the ability to upgrade SSD in summer 2021 (when the PS5 came out in late 2020) was a stupid move, but I think it's undeniable that the overall (we could call it long-term) decision to not go the proprietary route is better for consumers.

Those Seagate products are specially arranged PCBs just for the Xbox Series consoles, which means they will (always) be manufactured in lower volume than standard SSDs and thus are less likely to come down in price (because the cost of making them will come down less quickly than standard SSDs which are made in much bigger bulk).

Plus, my beef is not really with the hot-swappable-ness of the device. That's all great. The problem I have is that if you wanted to upgrade the internal storage (with a more standard SSD, which is likely to be much cheaper): 1) you have to basically take apart the whole Xbox; and 2) it might not even work. If the Xbox Series consoles had the same expansion access as the PS5 in addition to the hot swappable thing on the back, I would be singing its praises and saying "damn why doesn't the PS5 have such options?!" but it doesn't.

I'm glad you admitted that they're expensive, though...that's progress! Almost everyone else here refuses to even acknowledge the high price (which is why I said "oh Xbox can do no wrong?!").
 
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You're assuming I'm a Sony fanboy and thus will blindly defend the PS5. Wrong. I agree that rechargeable batteries are better. I liked the fact that the 360 controllers allowed you to use either a battery pack or replace the actual AA batteries.

Your whataboutery only works on actual Sony fanboys, which I am not.

Game set and match.

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lol even the argument that batteries are "built in" has never made any sense. You can tell some have never built a PC before, if you can change out a fucking case fan, you can change you a battery from PS3, PS4, PS5...

I've only had to change a PS3 one and that was by choice as I saw it was getting lessor charge and it was a MGS4 theme PS3 controller from a PS3 bundle, ordered the battery for like 10 bucks, replaced it in mere minutes, have had it working for years (will likely last much longer as I don't game on PS3 as much now days)




so I'd rather pay the 10 bucks and have years of not thinking about vs this weird AA battery thing lol
I haven't had to do anything with my PS4 controller as I got one of those PS1 edition ones, that was like 7 years ago and the change is still normal...so maybe next year or the year after or something I'll change out the battery, but I'll take that trade off vs some AA battery thing all the time lol

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So I can say that Sony built in dual sense batteries are anti-player, as while in Xbox I just can replace dead batteries/battery pack for cheap, with ps5 I have to buy new expensive dualsense controller as Sony doesn't provide any out of the box replacements for their controller batteries. Same argument.
You might want to look at what xbox have done for their expensive Elite controller. Yep internal batteries.


"Batteries not included" is not a pro consumer thing even though it might have its benefits to you.
 
lol even the argument that batteries are "built in" has never made any sense. You can tell some have never built a PC before, if you can change out a fucking case fan, you can change you a battery from PS3, PS4, PS5...

I've only had to change a PS3 one and that was by choice as I saw it was getting lessor charge and it was a MGS4 theme PS3 controller from a PS3 bundle, ordered the battery for like 10 bucks, replaced it in mere minutes, have had it working for years (will likely last much longer as I don't game on PS3 as much now days)




so I'd rather pay the 10 bucks and have years of not thinking about vs this weird AA battery thing lol
I haven't had to do anything with my PS4 controller as I got one of those PS1 edition ones, that was like 7 years ago and the change is still normal...so maybe next year or the year after or something I'll change out the battery, but I'll take that trade off vs some AA battery thing all the time lol

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I honestly didn't even know you could change the PS4 controller like that. Mine has never died on me so never had to find out. Thanks for that!
 
I honestly didn't even know you could change the PS4 controller like that. Mine has never died on me so never had to find out. Thanks for that!

NP. I have a few, but use the Gray Classic PS1 edition one since 2015 and went thru BF1, Battlefront, BFV and 2042 (a fuck ton if single players in-between) and in those years, barely got less charge, if I do change it, it will be by choice as even when I changed my PS3 MGS4 edition one, it was still working ,merely was going out faster.

So tbh, I don't really 100% know how long or how much needs to be done for it to die as I put literally thousands of hours in those MP titles, not even counting the majority single player titles I played in that time frame. So I don't really know tbh, but if that does ever happen to you, its as easy as changing a PC fan and the batteries are pretty cheap.
 
This man is so full of shit. Give player options by taking COD away from it's biggest base on PlayStation to lock it down to Xbox and PC.
 
lol AA batteries in 2022...
Do people also hate phones because they don't have swappable batteries?

If people actually still use standard AA batteries in their Xbox controllers, I am confused. I always use the Play and Charge kit. And if my battery dies, I just plug in a powered USB cable and keep playing. I would be mad buying AA batteries constantly, but I know some people do it for some odd reasons.

On the plus side though, this does allow you to buy third-party AA rechargeable batteries or whatever you want. I can see why some think the Sony solution is better with the built in batteries because now you don't have to buy batteries, but then again, once they die, they are dead and most people will not open the controller pack to change it out.

Ideally we would get the best of both worlds: Controllers that comes with rechargeable battery packs that can be easily removed and replaced. None of them offer this, because they both want more money: Xbox gets money buying the battery accessories, Sony gets the money with more controllers purchased.
 
lol AA batteries in 2022...
Do people also hate phones because they don't have swappable batteries?
Yes.. fuck yes we do. Half the time I need to replacw my phone is cause the battery. It sure would also be nice to be able to carry a few battery replacements on me when traveling.

Worse. comparison. Ever.
 
Stated current contracts will be honored and will offer an additional 3 years of the title. Very fair offer.
The problem isn't taking COD from PlayStation. The problem is lying and acting like he's here to save gaming and for the gamers when he's just another business man. Phil is the most political/fake person in all of gaming.
 
Same corpo talk as ever. Depending on Microsoft/Sony and any other company we'd be using their products and their products only. Just look at the Apple and Samsung ecosystems... Choice is only an illusion.
 
//DEVIL// //DEVIL// see this? 3 years doesn't meen permanent multi platform.
Yes I did read that before. But it only implies that for the next 5 years, the game is coming to PlayStation for sure ( 3 years phill offered plus 2 that Sony has as exclusive ) , beyond that it means nothing is for certain because things needs to be negotiated.
There are few things here to consider

1- ACT makes around 800 million profit per year from Sony platform alone ( or around this figure I forgot it could be more ). I highly doubt MS will leave that money. They will make PS buy the game while if you are on Xbox or pc system, you get it for free.

2- there is so much noise around this deal. Same noise happened between Nvidia and ARM. I honestly have a strong feeling the deal won't go through

3- I really have a mixed feelings about this . As a pc main platform owner MS buying them and their games on game pass is good for me. It also makes Sony re evaluate their shitty attitude and scummy anti consumer behaviour. This news makes me happy. BUT,,, MS can't handle their studios properly . Look how they butchered one of the biggest IPs in the gaming world Halo, I don't think COD is safe with them.

In fact MS is so horrible at this they can't even a proper single AAA game for this fall. How bad you have to be to suck this bad ?
 
The problem isn't taking COD from PlayStation. The problem is lying and acting like he's here to save gaming and for the gamers when he's just another business man. Phil is the most political/fake person in all of gaming.
We can agree to disagree. Phil never said he was going to save gaming but it is objectively true that putting Activision games on cloud streaming will get it on more platforms.

Phil was called all sort of names for plainly saying Xbox would support cross platforms unlike 'believing in generations' and others are now adopting the notion of putting more games on PC. He is hardly the most fake person in the gaming industry.
 
I agree that Sony only unlocking the ability to upgrade SSD in summer 2021 (when the PS5 came out in late 2020) was a stupid move, but I think it's undeniable that the overall (we could call it long-term) decision to not go the proprietary route is better for consumers.

Those Seagate products are specially arranged PCBs just for the Xbox Series consoles, which means they will (always) be manufactured in lower volume than standard SSDs and thus are less likely to come down in price (because the cost of making them will come down less quickly than standard SSDs which are made in much bigger bulk).

Plus, my beef is not really with the hot-swappable-ness of the device. That's all great. The problem I have is that if you wanted to upgrade the internal storage (with a more standard SSD, which is likely to be much cheaper): 1) you have to basically take apart the whole Xbox; and 2) it might not even work. If the Xbox Series consoles had the same expansion access as the PS5 in addition to the hot swappable thing on the back, I would be singing its praises and saying "damn why doesn't the PS5 have such options?!" but it doesn't.

I'm glad you admitted that they're expensive, though...that's progress! Almost everyone else here refuses to even acknowledge the high price (which is why I said "oh Xbox can do no wrong?!").

Yes I'm still puzzled at why it took so long. But as soon as the update came out prices for storage was relatively cheap for the PS5. I bought my 1TB for only 100$ and it surpasses the recommended specs. Plus it was extremely easy to install. For these reasons I'm happy that Sony didn't go with proprietary drives. I understand the benefits of such drives but it isn't worth the tax IMO. Nobody should be paying double for a little extra convenience.
 
lol even the argument that batteries are "built in" has never made any sense. You can tell some have never built a PC before, if you can change out a fucking case fan, you can change you a battery from PS3, PS4, PS5...

I've only had to change a PS3 one and that was by choice as I saw it was getting lessor charge and it was a MGS4 theme PS3 controller from a PS3 bundle, ordered the battery for like 10 bucks, replaced it in mere minutes, have had it working for years (will likely last much longer as I don't game on PS3 as much now days)




so I'd rather pay the 10 bucks and have years of not thinking about vs this weird AA battery thing lol
I haven't had to do anything with my PS4 controller as I got one of those PS1 edition ones, that was like 7 years ago and the change is still normal...so maybe next year or the year after or something I'll change out the battery, but I'll take that trade off vs some AA battery thing all the time lol

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but you can buy a replaceable battery pace to fit in an xbox controller easier so more consumer friendly
 
but you can buy a replaceable battery pace to fit in an xbox controller easier so more consumer friendly

Some may find it more consumer friendly that PS controllers already come with rechargeable batteries and no other purchase is necessary. It is incredibly subjective though. There really isn't anything to debate. It is all about personal preferences.
 
Some may find it more consumer friendly that PS controllers already come with rechargeable batteries and no other purchase is necessary. It is incredibly subjective though. There really isn't anything to debate. It is all about personal preferences.

I own a series x and a ps4 and I defiantly say for the controller at least Microsoft went with the better option, I am on my second ps4 controller because battery life is none existent in the first one. as for the hard drive that's a different matter
 
I agree that Sony only unlocking the ability to upgrade SSD in summer 2021 (when the PS5 came out in late 2020) was a stupid move, but I think it's undeniable that the overall (we could call it long-term) decision to not go the proprietary route is better for consumers.

Those Seagate products are specially arranged PCBs just for the Xbox Series consoles, which means they will (always) be manufactured in lower volume than standard SSDs and thus are less likely to come down in price (because the cost of making them will come down less quickly than standard SSDs which are made in much bigger bulk).

Plus, my beef is not really with the hot-swappable-ness of the device. That's all great. The problem I have is that if you wanted to upgrade the internal storage (with a more standard SSD, which is likely to be much cheaper): 1) you have to basically take apart the whole Xbox; and 2) it might not even work. If the Xbox Series consoles had the same expansion access as the PS5 in addition to the hot swappable thing on the back, I would be singing its praises and saying "damn why doesn't the PS5 have such options?!" but it doesn't.

I'm glad you admitted that they're expensive, though...that's progress! Almost everyone else here refuses to even acknowledge the high price (which is why I said "oh Xbox can do no wrong?!").


Yes, absolutely agree, I'm just pointing out the likely reason for going down this route and the pluses and minuses aside of the price difference. Also there are people out there that appreciate simplicity and will pay extra for the simple convenience of plug and play. Personally I prefer to install on my own in order to get the best value. All being said, you have to admit that this post is nothing more than click-bait warrior BS that has nothing to do with what Phil said, no one is being forced to buy an SSD, this is just another case of "Comparison is the killer of joy", MS planning ahead to make sure gamers are set from day one, turns into something Bad in the eyes of hindsight and comparisons.
 
I'd also keep in mind some of the people here are the same ones who acted like putting a M.2 drive in the PS5 was rocket science.

There was that one guy who tried to put it in with a hammer. But not everyone is that stupid. Most consumers know how to use a screw driver. But I understand those that can't do it do to some physical or mental handicap.
 
I own a series x and a ps4 and I defiantly say for the controller at least Microsoft went with the better option, I am on my second ps4 controller because battery life is none existent in the first one. as for the hard drive that's a different matter

That's fine. Still just a matter of preferences. Same with SSD. DarkMage619 DarkMage619 prefers to be able to take his expansion card to other people's houses so that's good for him.
 
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They've certainly given me the option to play multiplatform games on the ps5 with their extremely unappealing first party, 0 current gen only games this gen, trainwreck of an os/ui and subpar controller.
 
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