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The point is refuting the idea that COD will stay on PS because microsoft doesn't pull games from established communities.

if we're talking about GaaS, then yeah, they don't, If we're talking about "fans", then yes they do. The mainline titles are the latter, not the former.

I think you're focusing on it from a negative perspective.

They haven't pulled any established game from their multiple franchises, single player or otherwise, from any other console.

They're still updating games like Fallout 4 with next-gen patches on rival platforms instead of just making it for Xbox consoles.

CoD will more than likely stay on CoD with the MS-perk being that it will be available on game pass day 1.

 

[kirby007]

I suspect you might be a bit entrenched to still have a clear overview to see the most important point for MS is : the economic one

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I think you're focusing on it from a negative perspective.

They haven't pulled any established game from their multiple franchises, single player or otherwise, from any other console.

They're still updating games like Fallout 4 with next-gen patches on rival platforms instead of just making it for Xbox consoles.

CoD will more than likely stay on CoD with the MS-perk being that it will be available on game pass day 1.

Uh yeah they have? They're doing that with Hellblade 2 and The Outer Worlds 2. Phil's more or less confirmed the same for Elder Scrolls 6

 

[GHG]

Uh yeah they have? They're doing that with Hellblade 2 and The Outer Worlds 2. Phil's more or less confirmed the same for Elder Scrolls 6

In before:

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I suspect you might be a bit entrenched to still have a clear overview to see the most important point for MS is : the economic one

And back to reality Microsoft plan to use King to poach users from the google and apple app stores

 

[adamsapple]

Uh yeah they have? They're doing that with Hellblade 2 and The Outer Worlds 2. Phil's more or less confirmed the same for Elder Scrolls 6

I said they haven't pulled any established game. I-e something that's already out.

And in those cases, you didn't have Phil or anyone from MS publicly committing that they will continue to make future entries in the franchise available to PS platforms like with CoD.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I said they haven't pulled any established game. I-e something that's already out.

And in those cases, you didn't have Phil or anyone from MS publicly committing that they will continue to make future entries in the franchise available to PS platforms like with CoD.

Obviously I wasn't fucking talking about literally pulling games from the stores

Jesus christ lmao

 

[feynoob]

You don't understand the point being made. Just hush already

No, I understand.
The point you made is moot.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No, I understand.
The point you made is moot.

Hush kingfey

 

[Ezekiel_]

Not to derail the thread, but I think the Minecraft situation is interesting.

Is it possible that Markus "Notch" Persson sold Mojang to Microsoft with certains conditions?

Like 'the game can't be an exclusive / must release on as much platforms as possible'.

I will send an email to CMA so they can get the info. CC SenjutsuSage

 

[GHG]

Hush kingfey

He's a member already, he can now make threads.

 

[feynoob]

The legacy of the studio, developer and publisher has zero impact. The fanbases from their previous games are irrelevant despite the premise of the game being identical to their previous titles.

The name of the game is all that matters, we need to treat this game as if it were coming from a developer titled baby's first indie game. Got it.

Spoiler

Cyberpunk2077 is why your argument is shit.

A game needs to be judged by its release, not before. Yet here we are.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Cyberpunk2077 is why your argument is shit.

A game needs to be judged by its release, not before. Yet here we are.

Which sold 20+ million copies

 

[GHG]

Cyberpunk2077 is why your argument is shit.

A game needs to be judged by its release, not before. Yet here we are.

Are you high on crack? CDPR's legacy and previous games are exactly why that game was a commercial success for them. Their legacy was also the reason for many reviewers and gamers giving them the benefit of the doubt with regards to updating and fixing the game. If it were some no name developer with no history then the game likely ends up failing commercially.

You're just reinforcing my point.

 

[feynoob]

He's a member already, he can now make threads.

Won't happen. Already submitted a report to remove the ability to make threads.

 

[feynoob]

Which sold 20+ million copies

Are you high on crack? CDPR's legacy and previous games are exactly why that game was a commercial success for them. Their legacy was also the reason for many reviewers and gamers giving them the benefit of the doubt with regards to updating and fixing the game. If it were some no name developer with no history then the game likely ends up failing commercially.

You're just reinforcing my point.

Which had constant marketing and hype around it.

I am not saying the game would fail. It's bethesda.

But cyberpunk2077 showed a case, that a mega hit game, might be a train wreck during the launch period.

I could agree with ES6 case, as that already has userbase.

 

[Three]

Third party marketplaces on Android are not really viable. Most people don't even know they exist.

So why would they after this?

Not to derail the thread, but I think the Minecraft situation is interesting.

Is it possible that Markus "Notch" Persson sold Mojang to Microsoft with certains conditions?

Like 'the game can't be an exclusive / must release on as much platforms as possible'.

I will send an email to CMA so they can get the info. CC SenjutsuSage

I keep hearing this too but nobody provides any source info.

 

[adamsapple]

I keep hearing this too but nobody provides any source info.

It's probably an internet myth folks conjured to define the continued existence of minecraft on PS/Switch etc.

When in reality it just financially makes a lot of sense for MS to continue supporting it on all those platforms.

because you know ..

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Which had constant marketing and hype around it.

I am not saying the game would fail. It's bethesda.

But cyberpunk2077 showed a case, that a mega hit game, might be a train wreck during the launch period.

I could agree with ES6 case, as that already has userbase.

It was a trainwreck and still had a successful launch, in part due to the developer themselves having their own fanbase. Same applies to Bethesda. Same applies to Rockstar. Same applies to FromSoft.

Starfield already has a userbase. They're called fans of Bethesda Open World RPGs. Or, "muh Skyrim in Space"

 

[feynoob]

And to those who think the game was going to be a hit, the moment it released, I hope this jogs their memory.



In which he already mentioned.


And as we remember, the game was scheduled to release 11/11/22.

And because this was Xbox exclusive, it meant that the coverage would be huge, and the damage would be much bigger, than it would have, if it was multiplatform. The delay helped avoid this issue.

So yes, Starfield has 50% of having either a possitive reception or negetive reception. And the fact that we are comparing to COD is ludicrous enough.

 

[feynoob]

It was a trainwreck and still had a successful launch, in part due to the developer themselves having their own fanbase. Same applies to Bethesda. Same applies to Rockstar. Same applies to FromSoft.

Starfield already has a userbase. They're called fans of Bethesda Open World RPGs

Just like every new game.

But the problem is with the wording. Saying that starfield has association with a console is false.

Its a new game, which has no fan in either platform. Everyone is bethesda fan, until the game launches.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Just like every new game.

No, not every new game. Having that type of pedigree is a privilege awarded to only select devs.

But the problem is with the wording. Saying that starfield has association with a console is false.'

No one has said this

Its a new game, which has no fan in either platform. Everyone is bethesda fan, until the game launches.

Starfield has no fans but everyone is a Bethesda fan? What?

 

[IFireflyl]

It's probably an internet myth folks conjured to define the continued existence of minecraft on PS/Switch etc.

When in reality it just financially makes a lot of sense for MS to continue supporting it on all those platforms.

because you know ..

Why does Call of Duty keep getting compared to Minecraft? Minecraft is a single standalone game with expansions. Call of Duty is a franchise with multiple standalone games released under its name each decade. You can't equate these two titles.

 

[feynoob]

Starfield has no fans but everyone is a Bethesda fan? What?

Maybe I went too far with this one.

 

[adamsapple]

Why does Call of Duty keep getting compared to Minecraft? Minecraft is a single standalone game with expansions. Call of Duty is a franchise with multiple standalone games released under its name each decade. You can't equate these two titles.

Nothing in the post you quoted or the chain it's from was about CoD

Also, I agree with you to an extent. Starfield is also a single standalone game but that is being compared with CoD oddly as well.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nothing in the post you quoted or the chain it's from was about CoD

Also, I agree with you to an extent. Starfield is also a single standalone game but that is being compared with CoD oddly as well.

Starfield can potentially match a COD title in terms of revenue. That's why

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

No, I understand.
The point you made is moot.

 

[IFireflyl]

Nothing in the post you quoted or the chain it's from was about CoD

It's hard for me to keep track.

It has been brought up multiple times in this thread. I just assumed that was the comparison being touted yet again. You know what they say when you assume...

 

[feynoob]

I dont even know why I went there.
I think i need to relax.

Topher was right. This deal is cursed.

 

[feynoob]

Starfield can potentially match a COD title in terms of revenue. That's why

I doubt that.
COD has mindless drones. Even the bad ones can sell crazy amount of copies. Which is why the CMA is holding the deal.

Starfield would need to surpass Skyrim first.

The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim is one of the best-selling games in history, as well as being critically acclaimed at the same time. It had an impressive launch and sold 3.4 million physical copies in the first 48 hours of its release — of that were 59 percent for Xbox 360, 27 percent for PlayStation 3, and 14 percent for Microsoft Windows. Bethesda also shipped 7 million copies in the first week, while the game also being the fastest-selling on Steam to that date.

The sales climbed to 20 million after two years and in 2016 the game's director Todd Howard confirmed that the game sold over 30 million copies. The release of the expansions Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and Dragonborn further cemented the game's legacy as being one of the most massive and enjoyable open-world titles ever made.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I doubt that.
COD has mindless drones. Even the bad ones can sell crazy amount of copies. Which is why the CMA is holding the deal.

Starfield would need to surpass Skyrim first.

Fallout 4 already surpassed it. Bethesda has the following now where it's easily doable for them

 

[feynoob]

Fallout 4 already surpassed it. Bethesda has the following now where it's easily doable for them

If Bethesda had a big backing, they would have released starfield fast. Considering what they managed to do in 15 years.

Sometimes I wonder, how many games would we have gotten, if top developers had alot of resources.

We are seeing Obsidian with 2 big games in the work.
Insomniac, who finished MM, ratchet, and finishing SM2, while working on Wolverine.

These 2 studios can print out the money fast.

 

[Topher]

I dont even know why I went there.
I think i need to relax.

Topher was right. This deal is cursed.

Ozzy Onya A2Z 's gif is a harbinger. You don't mess with cow curses, bro.

what the fuck are we talking about again?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Ozzy Onya A2Z 's gif is a harbinger. You don't mess with cow curses, bro.

what the fuck are we talking about again?

That cow.....

 

[Bernkastel]

Why does Call of Duty keep getting compared to Minecraft? Minecraft is a single standalone game with expansions. Call of Duty is a franchise with multiple standalone games released under its name each decade. You can't equate these two titles.

Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends are new games.

 

[phil_t98]

Not to derail the thread, but I think the Minecraft situation is interesting.

Is it possible that Markus "Notch" Persson sold Mojang to Microsoft with certains conditions?

Like 'the game can't be an exclusive / must release on as much platforms as possible'.

I will send an email to CMA so they can get the info. CC SenjutsuSage

if I were you I would stick to laughing emoji's because that's complete nonsense.

 

[gothmog]

If Bethesda had a big backing, they would have released starfield fast. Considering what they managed to do in 15 years.

Sometimes I wonder, how many games would we have gotten, if top developers had alot of resources.

We are seeing Obsidian with 2 big games in the work.
Insomniac, who finished MM, ratchet, and finishing SM2, while working on Wolverine.

These 2 studios can print out the money fast.

I doubt any kind of backing is going to get Bethesda to release faster the way they are structured.

 

[The_Mike]

The damage would be huge on the game itself.
CoD is like fifa. You need community to make the game big.

By excluding certain console, you are actually hurting the game. Especially with how much devs working on the game.

But people won't pay attention to these details. Because the main concern is Sony bottom line.

You make it sound like people won't buy an Xbox to play call of duty.

 

[feynoob]

You make it sound like people won't buy an Xbox to play call of duty.

Its not about buying a new console. It's about limiting the potential of the game.

Locking in to 1-2 device, would potentially harm the game.

 

[The_Mike]

Its not about buying a new console. It's about limiting the potential of the game.

Locking in to 1-2 device, would potentially harm the game.

In regarding of what? Playerbase?

MW19 got cross play as the first entry in the franchise. There were never a problem to find a match on either platform.

Hell I even still play MW Remastered on my Xbox from time to time, and it came out in 2016. No problem finding matches.

 

[feynoob]

In regarding of what? Playerbase?

MW19 got cross play as the first entry in the franchise. There were never a problem to find a match on either platform.

Hell I even still play MW Remastered on my Xbox from time to time, and it came out in 2016. No problem finding matches.

That is short-sighted thinking.

All you need to look is gtav and minecraft.

Locking in to 2 platform, would result in halo fate.

 

[Banjo64]

If Bethesda had a big backing, they would have released starfield fast. Considering what they managed to do in 15 years.

Too many cooks spoils the broth. Just look at Halo Infinite, 30,000 employees and a 6 year cycle and they released 3 maps.

If Bethesda take 6 years to release a game, so be it, at least it’ll be crafted with love.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

That is short-sighted thinking.

All you need to look is gtav and minecraft.

Locking in to 2 platform, would result in halo fate.

PlayStation wouldn't have saved Halo

Plenty of GaaS do well without being on all three platforms

 

[feynoob]

PlayStation wouldn't have saved Halo

Plenty of GaaS do well without being on all three platforms

It could have changed halo.

Having a big community, means more innovation and feedbacks, which can change some of management stupid mistakes.

Halo infinite was a game, which reeks of management shit ideas. Releasing the MP, without any thoughts of impact it would have on the community.

While CoD and Battlefield have had some shit releases, the community outrages helped the game change the course.

If the community has no power, this would be the result.

Too many cooks spoils the broth. Just look at Halo Infinite, 30,000 employees and a 6 year cycle and they released 3 maps.

If Bethesda take 6 years to release a game, so be it, at least it’ll be crafted with love.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It could have changed halo.

Having a big community, means more innovation and feedbacks, which can change some of management stupid mistakes.

Halo infinite was a game, which reeks of management shit ideas. Releasing the MP, without any thoughts of impact it would have on the community.

While CoD and Battlefield have had some shit releases, the community outrages helped the game change the course.

If the community has no power, this would be the result.

What are you even talking about?

Infinite did have a big community. It did outrage, and they've now stopped playing the game and the result is the management has been sacked.

Halo being on PS would have changed nothing.

 

[The_Mike]

That is short-sighted thinking.

All you need to look is gtav and minecraft.

Locking in to 2 platform, would result in halo fate.

Short sighted thinking?

Both games you are referring to doesn't have cross play and they are alive and well across all platforms. I dont know what you are talking about.

And you can't blame Halo's failure by not being on Playstation. If a game with a free to play multiplayer can't withstand a playerbase, then it would also have been sent to die on Playstation either way. It's 343's fault Halo has died, and thats because lack of content.

What are you even talking about?

Infinite did have a big community. It did outrage, and they've now stopped playing the game and the result is the management has been sacked.

Halo being on PS would have changed nothing.

Im starting to suspect that feynoob is a troll.

 

[feynoob]

What are you even talking about?

Infinite did have a big community. It did outrage, and they've now stopped playing the game and the result is the management has been sacked.

Halo being on PS would have changed nothing.

Isn't that already too late?

It took them long time to do management shuffle.

Anyway, community outrage is badly needed in order for the game to not suck. Battlefront 2 like outrage.

 

[xHunter]

Short sighted thinking?

Both games you are referring to doesn't have cross play and they are alive and well across all platforms. I dont know what you are talking about.

And you can't blame Halo's failure by not being on Playstation. If a game with a free to play multiplayer can't withstand a playerbase, then it would also have been sent to die on Playstation either way. It's 343's fault Halo has died, and thats because lack of content.


Im starting to suspect that feynoob is a troll.

Dont worry, he will request a perma ban in a few weeks and then come back on a new alt. Happend a few times.

 

[PaintTinJr]

One area that the CMA didn't mention in the phase 1 decision was the way in which Microsoft OS users regularly get forced to change Windows versions because of DirectX's first-class citizen API status - compared to OpenGL/Vulkan.

Now when we factor in Windows 11's vague security needs of TPM2.0/PTT/fTMP, that linux doesn't need, and then look at how Valorant(by Riot Games) is Windows only and can't be run on a Steam Deck without a Windows license. You have to wonder, if post-acquisition Microsoft would make CoD Windows 11 only on PC too, thereby using it to drive through sales for its OS and OEM hardware partners like HP/Lenovo/Dell - benefitting Intel mostly in their established duopoly of WinTel. further damaging competition with Apple computers, and AMD's competition in the CPU space with Intel.

Here's a quote from a 2007 interview on shacknews with Alex St John DirectX manager(?) from his time at Microsoft.

" I came in to do my presentation, and I got about three slides into it before I was interrupted by one of the executives saying, "This is all great stuff, you have a perfect plan. Developers who are reasonable should all support it, but what do you do if none of this works." "What do you mean?" "What if in spite of your best efforts, your best arguments, you best relationships, you can't get them to support them. How do you force the industry to support Microsoft anyway?" "Force them? Well, I don't know." "Come back when you have a plan that answers that question."

That perplexed me for a long time. I'm thinking, "What the hell does he mean, force them? I can't hold a gun to their head, so how do I put all these companies in a position where, regardless of what they see is in their best interest, they have to adopt your technology?" That experience had a major impact on my thinking. I realized that a major part of my job was to figure out how to use technology control to create economic force, or leverage, such that money and business flowed in Microsoft's direction, and people had to go [to them]. That, ultimately, is when I became a "Microsoft guy," when I got that concept."

 

[feynoob]

Dont worry, he will request a perma ban in a few weeks and then come back on a new alt. Happend a few times.

I dont know why I comeback here.

I was enjoying my life before.
Maybe because of boredom.

But if I get in to the same position as last time, I would request IP ban. That way, I won't have any chance to be here at all.

Also, I haven't played less since my last ban. My situation with gaming is getting bad.