Oddvintagechap
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hence why it sells like gravity rush.
I'm sorry Ryu, Kratos, and Dante, but Bayonetta still has better 3D Action combat than you
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Dirk Benedict
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HAHA! This fucking thread reads like a Casino of fucking replies. Brilliant!
Chukhopops
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I can't decide between Bayo 3 and DMC5, both are incredible in completely different ways. It's a tie for me.
Everything else though is a couple steps below, even Bayo 1/2 feels ancient compared to 3.
Everything else though is a couple steps below, even Bayo 1/2 feels ancient compared to 3.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Can the mods please ban the OP. Sick of it.
Hobbygaming
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Labolas
Member
Is he wrong though? Especially, modern GOW. Even journos recognize that it isn't just an action game anymore.
N0S
Al Pachinko, Konami President
True, it's a walking sim with some combat tacked on.
Hobbygaming
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Lol GoW is just as much of an action game as anything out there and it has plenty of combat, y'all need to stop
existensmaximum
Member
I suppose that is an opinion one can have, but I myself couldn't disagree more 
Hobbygaming
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N0S
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Vick
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Fitting avatar.
The deepest system of course, so the "Best Game of all Time" iteration by a country mile.
"It's about the skills, because alot of the time in DMC or Bayonetta you kind of button mash your way into victory, you can't do that with God of War. It's very much about the precision of what's going on around you, and because it's so tightly controlled, because it's so well designed, you're able to maintain that control the entire way through, and it's just absolutely brilliant."
"You can craft new sets of armors, and within each of those they all have their own different stats that can actually unlock different play-styles if you want it. If you want to specialize in your abilities being really low cooled down that's what you can do, if you just want to punch and kick shit to death, there's an armor set specifically for punching and kicking shit to death. Like there's build diversity in a GoW game ffs, that's how good it is and it's not just token, it's really meaningful differences in how you play this game based upon how you chose to gear yourself.
So those are the gameplay systems and you might think of what I just said and being "yeah okay that sounds okay".. i can't explain to you how good this gameplay feels." - SkillUp
Boring walking simulator with SkillUp (DMC/Bayonetta fanboy) favorite combat system in gaming, as he stated in the Ragnarok review.
Such a boring walking simulation, people question whether its high level gameplay is result of hacks:
Ian Cassady
The combos are amazing BUT the combos with the speed of how he's transitions weapons is what really is blowing my mind. How his attacks don't have any break at all. Completely flawless.......
GodsBattle
@ lan Cassidy I dont even think is possible anyways, he cheat the games somehow like that dude with camera, you cant to them transitions like that, he skipping the animations somehow ive tried a lot of times and cant do that because there are animations goin on he hacked the game.
The Fire Fades
@ GodsBattle He has multiple videos explaining how he does it. But I still don't know how he cancels animations. But he isn't the only one that's been able to do it.
@ The Fire Fades swear i tried so so many times, is not working man, and im not a noob, im playing games since nintendo famicom
@ GodsBattle Yeah I've tried too, it's difficult.
SkirowX
@ GodsBattle the issue with trying to accomplish what you see in this video (may hours of trial and error) is that the button inputs must be extremely fast and precise. It is in fact possible to do every combo you see in this video. But you must play for hours upon hours to achieve that speed and be very comfortable with the controls. Keep trying! You'll be a god of war soon!
Thanos
@ GodsBattle It's either you're doing the combos too fast or too slow. If you had listened to GBG about the timing between the combos you'd be able to pull it off. Just because you're unable to achieve this doesn't mean no one else can, that just goes to show that GBG is on a completely different level compared to everyone else
Kataploom
Gold Member
Have played first GOW and Scarlet Nexus shortly after Bayonetta 2 recently and yeah, I keep waiting for the same quality... Scarlet Nexus lacks desperately a dodge mechanic with attack animation cancelling, but it's enjoyable on its own since it has its rules without taking too much from flagship H&S... GOW in the other hand is... It's not only simple, but even in it's simplicity it barely works and it's too frustrating by the wrong reasons (collisions for executions work if your lucky at first or second try, random QTE inputs? Lmao, combo variety? 
profit, Infinite enemies respawning, etc etc)... That game combat system can't even stand close to bigger players, it's like comparing a random animal citizen in dragon ball to a super Saiyan, one is there to at least have something to fill the hole and the other is the real deal
profit, Infinite enemies respawning, etc etc)... That game combat system can't even stand close to bigger players, it's like comparing a random animal citizen in dragon ball to a super Saiyan, one is there to at least have something to fill the hole and the other is the real deal
Labolas
Member
It's fine that you like it but it isn't even the same type game as the original on PS2. So you can't compare it to Bayo, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden, where those games thrive in player expression.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Older gen GoW games has better combat than the other games.
Kataploom
Gold Member
That's probably the secret sauce
Chukhopops
Member
Fitting avatar.
The deepest system of course, so the "Best Game of all Time" iteration by a country mile.
"It's about the skills, because alot of the time in DMC or Bayonetta you kind of button mash your way into victory, you can't do that with God of War. It's very much about the precision of what's going on around you, and because it's so tightly controlled, because it's so well designed, you're able to maintain that control the entire way through, and it's just absolutely brilliant."
"You can craft new sets of armors, and within each of those they all have their own different stats that can actually unlock different play-styles if you want it. If you want to specialize in your abilities being really low cooled down that's what you can do, if you just want to punch and kick shit to death, there's an armor set specifically for punching and kicking shit to death. Like there's build diversity in a GoW game ffs, that's how good it is and it's not just token, it's really meaningful differences in how you play this game based upon how you chose to gear yourself.
So those are the gameplay systems and you might think of what I just said and being "yeah okay that sounds okay".. i can't explain to you how good this gameplay feels." - SkillUp
Boring walking simulator with SkillUp (DMC/Bayonetta fanboy) favorite combat system in gaming, as he stated in the Ragnarok review.
Such a boring walking simulation, people question whether its high level gameplay is result of hacks:
Ian Cassady
The combos are amazing BUT the combos with the speed of how he's transitions weapons is what really is blowing my mind. How his attacks don't have any break at all. Completely flawless.......
GodsBattle
@ lan Cassidy I dont even think is possible anyways, he cheat the games somehow like that dude with camera, you cant to them transitions like that, he skipping the animations somehow ive tried a lot of times and cant do that because there are animations goin on he hacked the game.
The Fire Fades
@ GodsBattle He has multiple videos explaining how he does it. But I still don't know how he cancels animations. But he isn't the only one that's been able to do it.
@ The Fire Fades swear i tried so so many times, is not working man, and im not a noob, im playing games since nintendo famicom
@ GodsBattle Yeah I've tried too, it's difficult.
SkirowX
@ GodsBattle the issue with trying to accomplish what you see in this video (may hours of trial and error) is that the button inputs must be extremely fast and precise. It is in fact possible to do every combo you see in this video. But you must play for hours upon hours to achieve that speed and be very comfortable with the controls. Keep trying! You'll be a god of war soon!
Thanos
@ GodsBattle It's either you're doing the combos too fast or too slow. If you had listened to GBG about the timing between the combos you'd be able to pull it off. Just because you're unable to achieve this doesn't mean no one else can, that just goes to show that GBG is on a completely different level compared to everyone else
Meanwhile Bayonetta:
Can your guy do that?
Thought so.
Doctor Hades
Member
Yeah, but Bayonetta 3 looks crap and runs crap on Switch so there is that. It's a great game desperately seeking better hardware to showcase it as intended. In my opinion.
Best Bayonetta game is the first one... on PC followed by the Wii U version of Bayonetta 2 on the Cemu emulator.
Best Bayonetta game is the first one... on PC followed by the Wii U version of Bayonetta 2 on the Cemu emulator.
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mxbison
Member
Have played first GOW and Scarlet Nexus shortly after Bayonetta 2 recently and yeah, I keep waiting for the same quality... Scarlet Nexus lacks desperately a dodge mechanic with attack animation cancelling, but it's enjoyable on its own since it has its rules without taking too much from flagship H&S... GOW in the other hand is... It's not only simple, but even in it's simplicity it barely works and it's too frustrating by the wrong reasons (collisions for executions work if your lucky at first or second try, random QTE inputs? Lmao, combo variety?
The new GoW games don't even use square and triangle anymore for attacks....
Also funny how only GoW always gets shit for that when you can play Bayonetta and DMC just fine using the same combo over and over
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Hahaha did this cat really put God of War in the same category as Bayonetta, Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden?
Im not saying God of War has bad combat.....its just not at the same level ats Bayo, NGB or DMC.
Im not saying God of War has bad combat.....its just not at the same level ats Bayo, NGB or DMC.
Hobbygaming
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This thread is exposing a lot of people who having played Ragnarok
"All you press is square, square, triangle"
You mean R1 and R2 the attack buttons? Lol even then, if you spam those you'll get countered and even parried by shield enemies
"All you press is square, square, triangle"
You mean R1 and R2 the attack buttons? Lol even then, if you spam those you'll get countered and even parried by shield enemies
Yoboman
Member
Somebody should have told Kamiya before he was inspired by GOWHahaha did this cat really put God of War in the same category as Bayonetta, Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden?
Im not saying God of War has bad combat.....its just not at the same level ats Bayo, NGB or DMC.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/201...pired_by_god_of_war_really_excited_for_gowiii
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The student became the master.
Happens all the time.
fuck_diggity_cunt_ingdon
Banned
Gameplay in all modern Sony first party titles is nothing more than functional at best.
runs for cover
runs for cover
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anthony2690
Member
I like the first bayonetta a lot, thought the second game was average at best and not played the third. (But according to reviews the combat is simpler)
But the combat is very simple in bayonetta, DMC, including the ninja theory game has much deeper/more interesting combat than bayonetta.
Can't say for GOW as I haven't played the reboots, well I haven't played any since the PS2 games.
But the combat is very simple in bayonetta, DMC, including the ninja theory game has much deeper/more interesting combat than bayonetta.
Can't say for GOW as I haven't played the reboots, well I haven't played any since the PS2 games.
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lordrand11
Member
I like GOW, NG, and DMC as franchises overall and like Ryu, Kratos, and Dante more as characters, I'm just talking about the combat. I'm sorry my friends. Bayonetta is deeper and better.
Bayonetta 3 has the deepest combat by far. Adding the summons and a bunch of new combat deepening on top of the already best ever combat of Bayonetta, Bayonetta 3 has the best and most deep combat of all time for a 3D action melee brawler.
Sorry about the cruddy music this guy puts in the video but check out these combos
My fellow Bayonetta fans
I'm sorry Bayonetta, but your gameplay, story, and action actually peaked with Asura's Wrath and it's been the same shit ever since. Grow up and evolve the medium.
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Mephisto40
Member
What is the point in this thread seriously?
FUBARx89
Member
What is this wizardry? Vergil is like a drunken chimpanze in my hands.
But seriously, new God Of War shouldn't be compared to Bayo, DMC & NG, I like 2018 & Ragnarok, but it's not the same style as them anymore.
Bayo definitely isn't better than DMC either, unless it's the shat ninja theory one.
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That's a shit take. You can get inspired by any aspect of a game. I can tell you he surely wasn't inspired by God of War shit combat.
remember_spinal
Banned
Never played bayonetta but recently finished DMCV and yeah…i really hate those type of games. Much prefer GoW more impactful hard hitting combat that feels more like souls than dmc that just makes my hands hurt and tired.
I also hate the enemy types in games like bayonetta and dmc, they are just unintelligible mindless demons. Nothing about the enemy types are memorable or have any type of defining character trait to them, outside of boss battles. Thats a lot of japanese action games.
I also hate the enemy types in games like bayonetta and dmc, they are just unintelligible mindless demons. Nothing about the enemy types are memorable or have any type of defining character trait to them, outside of boss battles. Thats a lot of japanese action games.
anothertech
Member
The combat is great I agree.
Too bad the game is mostly shit tho.
Too bad the game is mostly shit tho.
Labolas
Member
Fitting avatar.
The deepest system of course, so the "Best Game of all Time" iteration by a country mile.
"It's about the skills, because alot of the time in DMC or Bayonetta you kind of button mash your way into victory, you can't do that with God of War. It's very much about the precision of what's going on around you, and because it's so tightly controlled, because it's so well designed, you're able to maintain that control the entire way through, and it's just absolutely brilliant."
"You can craft new sets of armors, and within each of those they all have their own different stats that can actually unlock different play-styles if you want it. If you want to specialize in your abilities being really low cooled down that's what you can do, if you just want to punch and kick shit to death, there's an armor set specifically for punching and kicking shit to death. Like there's build diversity in a GoW game ffs, that's how good it is and it's not just token, it's really meaningful differences in how you play this game based upon how you chose to gear yourself.
So those are the gameplay systems and you might think of what I just said and being "yeah okay that sounds okay".. i can't explain to you how good this gameplay feels." - SkillUp
Boring walking simulator with SkillUp (DMC/Bayonetta fanboy) favorite combat system in gaming, as he stated in the Ragnarok review.
Such a boring walking simulation, people question whether its high level gameplay is result of hacks:
Ian Cassady
The combos are amazing BUT the combos with the speed of how he's transitions weapons is what really is blowing my mind. How his attacks don't have any break at all. Completely flawless.......
GodsBattle
@ lan Cassidy I dont even think is possible anyways, he cheat the games somehow like that dude with camera, you cant to them transitions like that, he skipping the animations somehow ive tried a lot of times and cant do that because there are animations goin on he hacked the game.
The Fire Fades
@ GodsBattle He has multiple videos explaining how he does it. But I still don't know how he cancels animations. But he isn't the only one that's been able to do it.
@ The Fire Fades swear i tried so so many times, is not working man, and im not a noob, im playing games since nintendo famicom
@ GodsBattle Yeah I've tried too, it's difficult.
SkirowX
@ GodsBattle the issue with trying to accomplish what you see in this video (may hours of trial and error) is that the button inputs must be extremely fast and precise. It is in fact possible to do every combo you see in this video. But you must play for hours upon hours to achieve that speed and be very comfortable with the controls. Keep trying! You'll be a god of war soon!
Thanos
@ GodsBattle It's either you're doing the combos too fast or too slow. If you had listened to GBG about the timing between the combos you'd be able to pull it off. Just because you're unable to achieve this doesn't mean no one else can, that just goes to show that GBG is on a completely different level compared to everyone else
The mere fact that the game remove jumping should show how limiting the game even is when compared to the original games. In character action games, jumping allows you to do more stuff like enemy step, double jumps, more animation cancelling, inertia and other stuff. And I wouldn't call Skill Up a Bayo/DMC fanboy, he's on record for saying he likes GOW more. Even he says to through a Bayo or DMC all it takes is mashing which I would say that shows his real skill if that's sort of negative or knock on those games, there's a reason why there's a ranking/style meter in those games. And I wouldn't say he's a pro at those games either, so I wouldn't take his opinion too seriously or as gospel.
But again you guys are free to like to GOW, there are things to like about those games and I'm sure it's going get all the awards, and at the end of the day, isn't that what really matters?
ThisIsMyDog
Member
The problem with GOW is that Sony, instead of developing the hack and slash concept, have made it another game that is closer to a movie on rails. They destroyed the brand.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Say hayabusa instead of ryu next time.
Majukun
Member
doesn't take much to beat kratos, ryu i would need to review again the older titles to unfog the nostalgia lens (let's avoid talking about ninja gaiden 3)
dante though? in terms of 1v1 fights dmc5 is, and probably will stay, unmatched..in terms of group fights, I find the first bayonetta to be superior (again, maybe it's the nostalgia talking), but bayo 3...I dunno...i'm not a fan of giant screen size attacks, i much more prefer the controlled attacks through wicked waves of the original over screen size attacks with demons in bayo 3 (2 is just bad)
good thing is that with a save of bayo 1 you can unlock at least the scarborough fair moveset in bayo 3 and play without demon slave..although the game is not completely balanced around it.
dante though? in terms of 1v1 fights dmc5 is, and probably will stay, unmatched..in terms of group fights, I find the first bayonetta to be superior (again, maybe it's the nostalgia talking), but bayo 3...I dunno...i'm not a fan of giant screen size attacks, i much more prefer the controlled attacks through wicked waves of the original over screen size attacks with demons in bayo 3 (2 is just bad)
good thing is that with a save of bayo 1 you can unlock at least the scarborough fair moveset in bayo 3 and play without demon slave..although the game is not completely balanced around it.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Maybe they are not as good as people losing 6000 hours on the game??
Do you show a video of you playing football to show people how good how a sport football is? No, you show the elite people playing the game.
Nothing strange about it.
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