Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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Orbital2060

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If that's what you think, talk to Phil.

But I know, some of you will never tell him he's bullshitting so that leaves us right back where we started. Enjoy.
You have no idea how the acq was greenlit yet have no problem making up some fantasy about it. Its exactly like the Abandoned thread at this point where some people (some of the same as in this thread) make shit up until they believe it.
 

GHG

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You have no idea how the acq was greenlit yet have no problem making up some fantasy about it. Its exactly like the Abandoned thread at this point where some people (some of the same as in this thread) make shit up until they believe it.

So tell me, how does the proposed largest acquisition in Microsoft's history get approved without the Xbox division being given the full backing of the organisation?

I'll accept answers on a postcard.

And if Hasan hurt you, he says sorry he hurt you too.
 
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Some of the recent negativity could be faked. Maybe designed to drive the stock down before the deal is approved. I'm not jumping into any conclusions yet until we get some sort of update.
 
Some of the recent negativity could be faked. Maybe designed to drive the stock down before the deal is approved. I'm not jumping into any conclusions yet until we get some sort of update.

Could be but really, what is the wisdom in very publicly criticising the organization that is currently reviewing your acquisition case?

It seems to only make sense if he knows they will block/oppose it, so he has nothing to lose. That or Kotick is dumb to not understand how this will negatively impact MS's cause.
 

Three

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The Medium and HoL don't compare to Final Fantasy. Not even acknowledging Tomb Raider and PUBG cause those are last gen and therefore, irrelevant
Look, I'm only pointing out that MS didn't step away from moneyhats after the Tomb Raider backlash. They continued to do moneyhats like Dead Rising 4 and the games I mentioned. don't want to get into a silly debate about what's 'last gen' or AAA or whatever. They continued to do them and went on an acquisition spree at around 2018 while still doing those moneyhats.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
This is a bizarre turn of events, I wonder what deal he wants to try make with Sony behind Microsofts back.
I think he doesn't want to come up as a CEO who (1) was involved in a failed acquisition process, and (2) also lost their biggest marketing partner because of said acquisition attempt.

Sony's marketing agreement is his backup plan.

My theory (just a theory atm) is that the acquisition has been blocked by the CMA, and Kottick knows it. That's why he reached out to Sony, trying to remedy the situation for ABK, now that MS is out of the picture, at least on the marketing front.

Kottick and Satya did 5 interviews on this in the last 24 hours. That's unprecedented. I think the CMA has made its decision and conveyed to these parties, and are just waiting to announce it publicly.
 
Hold on to yer butt-cheeks:

Provisional findings from the CMA: https://assets.publishing.service.g...0c2564/Notice_of_provisional_findings_002.pdf

The Merger would result in the creation of a relevant merger situation, and that the creation of that situation may be expected to result in a substantial lessening of competition (SLC) in:

(a) console gaming in the UK due to vertical effects resulting from input foreclosure; and
(b) cloud gaming services in the UK due to vertical effects resulting from input foreclosure.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
I have been reading some facts about the CMA, its blocking ratio, and what options Microsoft would have if the CMA indeed blocks the acquisition (which seems more and more likely now). Here is what I found:

Facts about the "modern-day" CMA:
  • The CMA has been very aggressive since early 2019.
  • It has referred 26% of cases to the Phase 2 review.
  • The CMA has also been proactive. Out of 33 cases that reached Phase 2, 16 cases were taken up by the CMA itself, instead of being notified by the involved parties.
  • 70% of the acquisition cases that reached Phase 2 were blocked.
  • This is a 3x increase from the less-aggressive CMA in 2014-2017.
Options for Microsoft in case the CMA blocks the deal:
  • Microsoft will have the option to appeal if the CMA blocks the acquisition.
  • But judicial review standards would apply, which means Microsoft will have to prove that "the CMA acted irrationally, illegally, or with procedural impurity."
  • In the case of procedural breaches by the CMA, however, a judicial review standard will not be applied. Microsoft will have a marginal advantage in that appeal.
  • Merits of the CMA decision will not be entertained nor a wholesale review of parties' evidence will be conducted.
  • The CMA has won 67% of all such appeals since 2010.
  • Even if the review application is successful, the case will be sent back to the CMA -- to the same group of people who first blocked it
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Hold on to yer butt-cheeks:

Provisional findings from the CMA: https://assets.publishing.service.g...0c2564/Notice_of_provisional_findings_002.pdf

The Merger would result in the creation of a relevant merger situation, and that the creation of that situation may be expected to result in a substantial lessening of competition (SLC) in:

(a) console gaming in the UK due to vertical effects resulting from input foreclosure; and
(b) cloud gaming services in the UK due to vertical effects resulting from input foreclosure.
What do they mean by "may be expected to result."

This implies they haven't reached on any decision definitively? Or is their language that this is bad and should not go ahead?
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
  • In-depth independent investigation provisionally finds deal raises concerns about cloud and console gaming
  • Merger could make Microsoft even stronger in cloud gaming, stifling competition in this growing market and harming UK gamers who cannot afford expensive consoles
  • Deal could also harm UK gamers by weakening the important rivalry between Xbox and PlayStation gaming consoles

 
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Banjo64

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Hold on to yer butt-cheeks:

Provisional findings from the CMA: https://assets.publishing.service.g...0c2564/Notice_of_provisional_findings_002.pdf

The Merger would result in the creation of a relevant merger situation, and that the creation of that situation may be expected to result in a substantial lessening of competition (SLC) in:

(a) console gaming in the UK due to vertical effects resulting from input foreclosure; and
(b) cloud gaming services in the UK due to vertical effects resulting from input foreclosure.
Remedies by 22nd Feb - I think it’s dead.
 
Interesting, that in their release CMA is not opposing behaviour remedies. I guess the deal lives on.

What do they mean by "may be expected to result."

Those are the provisional finding. Essentially it is basically "from the looks of it" and then the parties will start to debate.
 
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Elios83

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Seems like the only way the deal can be approved by CMA is Microsoft not having any control on Call of Duty.
I doubt Microsoft is interested at that condition...
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
FULL ARTICLE:

A CMA investigation has provisionally concluded that Microsoft’s proposed acquisition of Activision could result in higher prices, fewer choices, or less innovation for UK gamers.

The provisional findings from the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) follow a wide-ranging investigation conducted over the last five months to understand the market and potential impact of the deal. This has included holding site visits and hearings to hear directly from business leaders at Microsoft and Activision, analysing over 3 million internal documents from the two businesses to understand their views on the market, commissioning an independent survey of UK gamers, and gathering evidence from a range of other gaming console providers, game publishers, and cloud gaming service providers.

Competition in the supply of cloud gaming services​

The CMA provisionally found that being able to offer popular games will be important for cloud gaming providers to attract users as the market continues to grow and develop. The evidence available to the CMA currently indicates that Microsoft would find it commercially beneficial to make Activision’s games exclusive to its own cloud gaming service (or only available on other services under materially worse conditions). Microsoft already accounts for an estimated 60-70% of global cloud gaming services and also has other important strengths in cloud gaming from owning Xbox, the leading PC operating system (Windows) and a global cloud computing infrastructure (Azure and Xbox Cloud Gaming).

The CMA provisionally found that buying one of the world’s most important game publishers would reinforce this strong position and substantially reduce the competition that Microsoft would otherwise face in the cloud gaming market in the UK. This could alter the future of gaming, potentially harming UK gamers, particularly those who cannot afford or do not want to buy an expensive gaming console or gaming PC.

Competition in the supply of consoles​

The CMA provisionally found that a small number of key games, including Call of Duty (CoD), Activision’s flagship game, play an important role in driving competition between consoles. The evidence available to the CMA, including data on how Microsoft measures the value of customers in the ordinary course of business, currently indicates that Microsoft would find it commercially beneficial to make Activision’s games exclusive to its own consoles (or only available on PlayStation under materially worse conditions). The CMA’s provisional findings note that this strategy, of buying gaming studios and making their content exclusive to Microsoft’s platforms, has been used by Microsoft following several previous acquisitions of games studios.

The CMA provisionally found that weakening competition by restricting the access that other platforms have to Activision’s games could substantially reduce the competition between Xbox and PlayStation in the UK, in turn harming UK gamers.

Xbox and PlayStation compete closely with each other at present and access to the most important content, like CoD, is an important part of that competition. Reducing this competition between Microsoft and Sony could result in all gamers seeing higher prices, reduced range, lower quality, and worse service in gaming consoles over time.

Martin Coleman, chair of the independent panel of experts conducting this Phase 2 investigation, said:

It’s been estimated that there are around 45 million gamers in the UK, and people in the UK spend more on gaming than any other form of entertainment including music, movies, TV, and books. Strong competition between Xbox and PlayStation has defined the console gaming market over the last 20 years. Exciting new developments in cloud gaming are giving gamers even more choice.
Our job is to make sure that UK gamers are not caught in the crossfire of global deals that, over time, could damage competition and result in higher prices, fewer choices, or less innovation. We have provisionally found that this may be the case here.
We have also today sent the companies an explanation of how our concerns might be resolved, inviting their views and any alternative proposals they wish to submit.

Background to today’s provisional findings​

Microsoft entered into a $68.7 billion deal to buy Activision, one of the most popular video games publishers in the world, in January 2022. The transaction is the largest video game acquisition in history, as well as being the largest acquisition that Microsoft has ever made.

Gaming is the biggest form of entertainment in the UK, with consumers spending more money on gaming than pay TV, video streaming, cinema, music, or books. In 2022, around £5 billion was spent on gaming in the UK. There are thousands of games available on consoles and PCs, but gamers spend much of their time and money on a handful of so-called ‘AAA’ games. Activision owns CoD, which is well established as one of the leading AAA games in the industry.

In September 2022, the CMA launched an in-depth investigation into the deal led by an independent panel of experts. The investigation is being conducted alongside similar probes in the US and the EU, as well as a number of other international jurisdictions.

The CMA welcomes responses from interested parties to its provisional findings by 1 March 2023 and its notice of possible remedies, which sets out potential options for addressing its provisional concerns, by 22 February 2023. These will be considered ahead of the CMA issuing its final report, which is due by 26 April 2023.

For more information, visit the Microsoft / Activision inquiry page.
 

Elios83

Member
CMA decision:

(a) Requiring a partial divestiture of Activision Blizzard, Inc. This may be:
(i) Divestiture of the business associated with Call of Duty;
(ii) DivestitureoftheActivisionsegmentofActivisionBlizzard,Inc.(the Activision segment), which would include the business associated with Call of Duty;
(iii) Divestiture of the Activision segment and the Blizzard segment (the Blizzard segment) of Activision Blizzard, Inc., which would include the business associated with Call of Duty and World of Warcraft, among other titles.
(b) Prohibition of the merger.

Remedies are so significant that the acquisition would be neutralized for Microsoft.
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Remedies by 22nd Feb - I think it’s dead.
Depends on the remedies they have sent to Microsoft (not public yet), but ... yeah, it seems like this acquisition attempt is over.

Because they have mentioned COD's availability on both consoles is important. They will need a guarantee for COD being multiplatform in perpetuity. Moreover, they have also mentioned Cloud gaming and that MS will have the incentive of making ABK games exclusive to their Cloud services.

I don't see how Microsoft will accept the conditions to not do either of these two things.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
(a) Requiring a partial divestiture of Activision Blizzard, Inc. This may be:
(i) Divestiture of the business associated with Call of Duty;
(ii) DivestitureoftheActivisionsegmentofActivisionBlizzard,Inc.(the Activision segment), which would include the business associated with Call of Duty;
(iii) Divestiture of the Activision segment and the Blizzard segment (the Blizzard segment) of Activision Blizzard, Inc., which would include the business associated with Call of Duty and World of Warcraft, among other titles.
(b) Prohibition of the merger.
Nice. Where did you find it?
 
So someone correct me if I am wrong (I guess no-one can answer this): the CMA will only allow MS to acquire A/B without the COD I.P and dev studios behind it, for the original price of $68bn?

If so, that's making the acquisition so unpalatable to MS that it's them basically saying: pull out the party is over.
 

Fatmanp

Member
Imo missing out on COD is no biggie. It will still be available to the platform and they could negotiate marketing rights. Blizzard King are the parts that would be better suited to the MS business model.
 

Banjo64

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At this stage, the CMA has identified the following possible structural
remedies:
(a) Requiring a partial divestiture of Activision Blizzard, Inc. This may be:
(i) Divestiture of the business associated with Call of Duty;
(ii) Divestiture of the Activision segment of Activision Blizzard, Inc. (the
Activision segment), which would include the business associated
with Call of Duty;
(iii) Divestiture of the Activision segment and the Blizzard segment (the
Blizzard segment) of Activision Blizzard, Inc., which would include
the business associated with Call of Duty and World of Warcraft,
among other titles
 

Elios83

Member
Microsoft has to make some hard decisions.
Are they hard?
They need to give up Call of Duty which is the real reason behind the acquisition.
The acquisition would be useless for them unless they're really serious about their mobile push with King but..emm yeah imo they never were.
Also I'm not sure the Activision side wants to lose COD.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
At this stage, the CMA has identified the following possible structural
remedies:
(a) Requiring a partial divestiture of Activision Blizzard, Inc. This may be:
(i) Divestiture of the business associated with Call of Duty;
(ii) Divestiture of the Activision segment of Activision Blizzard, Inc. (the
Activision segment), which would include the business associated
with Call of Duty;
(iii) Divestiture of the Activision segment and the Blizzard segment (the
Blizzard segment) of Activision Blizzard, Inc., which would include
the business associated with Call of Duty and World of Warcraft,
among other titles
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Are they hard?
They need to give up Call of Duty which is the real reason behind the acquisition.
The acquisition would be useless for them unless they're really serious about their mobile push with King but..emm yeah imo they never were.
Also I'm not sure the Activision side wants to lose COD.
If I'm not wrong, more than 80% of ABK console game studios work on Call of Duty, right? The A of ABK will be useless without Call of Duty.

And without the A of ABK, the ABK will be substantially less valuable to Microsoft.

Now Satya's and Kottick's statements (especially that we've been contacting Sony but they aren't picking our phone call) is making sense in this context. I think they have made up their minds that this is over.
 

Varteras

Member
So the best case scenario for Microsoft to get UK approval is by releasing Call of Duty and any portions of Activision associated with it, such as the studios that make it. At worst the UK would either force them to only have ownership of King or block the deal entirely.
 
Imo missing out on COD is no biggie. It will still be available to the platform and they could negotiate marketing rights. Blizzard King are the parts that would be better suited to the MS business model.

It's critical. COD is the most valuable asset in A/B. That's why MS were willing to stump up $68bn.

Keeping it multiplat and owning the IP means MS could have made back the purchase price in no time as it prints $$$.
 

Elios83

Member
If I'm not wrong, more than 80% of ABK console game studios work on Call of Duty, right? The A of ABK will be useless without Call of Duty.

And without the A of ABK, the ABK will be substantially less valuable to Microsoft.

Now Satya's and Kottick's statements (especially that we've been contacting Sony but they aren't picking our phone call) is making sense in this context. I think they have made up their minds that this is over.
I also think Kotick wants to talk with Sony about the post failed deal future....but let's see how things unfold.
 

Sony

Nintendo
This deal is dead. CMA basically said that they want divesture and not behavioral remedies, though parties are welcome to talk to them about behavrioral remedies to change their minds.
What a monumental failure this is by CMA. From all the reasons against this merger, they pinned it all on CoD.
 

Jadsey

Member
At this stage, the CMA has identified the following possible structural
remedies:
(a) Requiring a partial divestiture of Activision Blizzard, Inc. This may be:
(i) Divestiture of the business associated with Call of Duty;
(ii) Divestiture of the Activision segment of Activision Blizzard, Inc. (the
Activision segment), which would include the business associated
with Call of Duty;
(iii) Divestiture of the Activision segment and the Blizzard segment (the
Blizzard segment) of Activision Blizzard, Inc., which would include
the business associated with Call of Duty and World of Warcraft,
among other titles

If they go with Option (i).....perhaps Sony would take Call of Duty off their hands ?!! :messenger_beaming:

Deal is dead in the water....Kotick knew as much and that's why he has come out swinging.
 
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Mr Moose

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This deal is dead. CMA basically said that they want divesture and not behavioral remedies, though parties are welcome to talk to them about behavrioral remedies to change their minds.
What a monumental failure this is by CMA. From all the reasons against this merger, they pinned it all on CoD.
The CMA provisionally found that a small number of key games, including Call of Duty (CoD)
More than just CoD.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You guys are gonna love this


Who would have thought, that the cancerous people that once were on Gaf and left to make their own cancer forum, would continue to be cancerous?
I'm still hoping for the deal to go though. Having Activisions whole portfolio releasing day and date on GamePass would be great.
That's a dangerous opinion to have here mate.
 
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