Microsoft's internal documents recognize that adding games to Game Pass would lead to cannibalization of Buy-To-Play sales

bentanchorbolt said:
People on GAF love shitting on MS. I think it's weird how emotionally invested people are in these plastic boxes but we all need hobbies. But also Phil Spencer says a lot of stuff and that opens him up to getting dunked on, so yeah a lot of people might be fanboys but the concerns levied aren't exactly without merit.
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It doesnt matter what he says. People dunk on his every word here
 
oldergamer said:
Physical sales arent the end all for many games. EA for instance makes more money off in app purchases on sports games then they do selling the physical game
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i did mention digital sales.
to me physical/digital is considered the same category vs subscrption service like gamepass
 
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Gamepass is a long term play for Xbox. It amuses me that so many gamers don't understand that eventually Microsoft will cash if they ever manage to extinguish Sony.
 
YeulEmeralda said:
Gamepass is a long term play for Xbox. It amuses me that so many gamers don't understand that eventually Microsoft will cash if they ever manage to extinguish Sony.
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bentanchorbolt said:
People on GAF love shitting on MS. I think it's weird how emotionally invested people are in these plastic boxes but we all need hobbies. But also Phil Spencer says a lot of stuff and that opens him up to getting dunked on, so yeah a lot of people might be fanboys but the concerns levied aren't exactly without merit.
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I have noticed that anyone talking about people having an emotional investment to plastic boxes, usually says that just before or after saying something that depicts they have an emotional attachment to their own plastic box.
oldergamer said:
It doesnt matter what he says. People dunk on his every word here
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Maybe people on GAF are just not sheep. Spencer is a marketing man, the best goodwill merchant there is. In time, everyone will get to see this for themselves. The yarn is already unraveling.
 
MasterCornholio said:
Well yes that's always going to happen. Some people that used to buy those games won't if they are included in a sub service. Doesn't make sense to buy 1st party titles if they are available on a sub that you own. Once you get rid of the sub or those titles get taken off then I can see those people buying those games.

I think it's rare that someone will try a game with gamepass and then reward the devs by buying it.
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No shit dude. Some of us have been saying that from the beginning but unfortunately, many on here drink the Spencer kool aid and think having a sub services increases sales of games! Why would you buy a game if you're paying a service to rent it?!? Sub services will ruin gaming…
 
Having you on a subscription service is exactly why ms got into the gaming industry. They will continue to add more things for you to add on as it's grows. People already buy movies on there.
 
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oldergamer said:
Physical sales arent the end all for many games. EA for instance makes more money off in app purchases on sports games then they do selling the physical game
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ah yes... the justifications begin. I mean you know its serious when we are advocating for GAAS models.

Oh ps, correct it from physical to unit sales. Unit sales cover both physical and digital sales of software.
 
oldergamer said:
Look at it this way. Do you think halo would still be selling like hotcakes if it wasnt on gamepass?
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Are you taking the piss? Look at the number of players it had early doors.

If the MP wasn't free to play and they just packaged it up with the single player as a $60 package like they usually do (without gamepass) then it sells like hotcakes. The MP beta was excellent and people were expecting a lot more content of the same standard, but the biggest problem was that the beta showed off most of what was there.
 
Did you even read the Spencer the article you posted or did you just read the headline?

Spencer is talking about how the more people who play a game the more popular it becomes socially and so people without gamepass end up buying the game. Even the author of the article acknowledges that's what is meant by his words. It's obvious that if you pay for a subscription to play a game, you probably won't buy it.
 
Just wait fellas. The narrative is going to change to "well OF COURSE it decreases sales, but the important part is how many people are playing? A lot more people are playing the games and the devs are more successful than if everyone had to buy the game".
 
GHG said:
Are you taking the piss? Look at the number of players it had early doors.

If the MP wasn't free to play and they just packaged it up with the single player as a $60 package like they usually do (without gamepass) then it sells like hotcakes. The MP beta was excellent and people were expecting a lot more content of the same standard, but the biggest problem was that the beta showed off most of what was there.
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Mr.Phoenix said:
ah yes... the justifications begin. I mean you know its serious when we are advocating for GAAS models.

Oh ps, correct it from physical to unit sales. Unit sales cover both physical and digital sales of software.
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Keep arguing with emotion all you like. What i stated is true of ea sports.

Im not talking about physical vs digital in my previous post. However it is true that they make more money off iap then they do from selling copies of sports games. Its why ea has invested heavily in in adding purchase based incentives for players
 
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jakinov said:
Did you even read the Spencer the article you posted or did you just read the headline?

Spencer is talking about how the more people who play a game the more popular it becomes socially and so people without gamepass end up buying the game. Even the author of the article acknowledges that's what is meant by his words. It's obvious that if you pay for a subscription to play a game, you probably won't buy it.
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Exactly a good game can greatly gain sales from word of mouth. One of these games had only gamepass as marketing the other the Sony marketing machine behind it.

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Mr.Phoenix said:
I have noticed that anyone talking about people having an emotional investment to plastic boxes, usually says that just before or after saying something that depicts they have an emotional attachment to their own plastic box.
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Whatever makes you feel better or justified in the way you feel or don't feel, I guess.
 
Anyone with a brain knos this. Just like anyone with a brain knows Microsoft just buying developers left and right is not good for the industry in trying to establish something close to a monopoly. But hey since Phil says it's good, it must be good!
 
jakinov said:
Did you even read the Spencer the article you posted or did you just read the headline?

Spencer is talking about how the more people who play a game the more popular it becomes socially and so people without gamepass end up buying the game. Even the author of the article acknowledges that's what is meant by his words. It's obvious that if you pay for a subscription to play a game, you probably won't buy it.
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More like, more people get it on game pas, it gets more popular, it makes those that didn't buy it, go out and get game pass they can also pay it. That's the way the cycle really works. That's the way MS wants it to go.
oldergamer said:
Keep arguing with emotion all you like. What i stated is true of ea sports.
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Emotion?

And I never said what you said wasn't true. But that you don't see why you being right isn't actually a good thing in this case kinda says enough.
 
jakinov said:
Did you even read the Spencer the article you posted or did you just read the headline?

Spencer is talking about how the more people who play a game the more popular it becomes socially and so people without gamepass end up buying the game. Even the author of the article acknowledges that's what is meant by his words. It's obvious that if you pay for a subscription to play a game, you probably won't buy it.
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It's still wrong, in MS's case. Word of mouth from purchased games sells more games than sub games.
 
bentanchorbolt said:
People on GAF love shitting on MS. I think it's weird how emotionally invested people are in these plastic boxes but we all need hobbies. But also Phil Spencer says a lot of stuff and that opens him up to getting dunked on, so yeah a lot of people might be fanboys but the concerns levied aren't exactly without merit.
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I don't like criticising them. I'd much rather sincerely praise them and be excited for their offerings.
 
I mean yeah. tap water is less consumed when a person has bottled water.

was there really anyone who thought any different? why would you buy a game if it's available with your subscription?
 
Dick Jones said:
MS shareholders must be raging hearing the MAUs and Gamepass knowledge. I think some devs will be hesitant with Gamepass if the 7x times sales thing is horseshit
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MS is legally obliged to provide statistical data on GP when proposing a deal. Devs and publishers are fully aware of how GP can affect sales which is why so few AAA third party games launch in the service.
 
Baki said:
Yup. Eventually MS is going to increase the price of GP and at some point it won't be the "best deal" in gaming, but you'll be too locked in to make a choice.

I can see GP going for $30/month at some point. $20 is certainly on the horizon within the next 2-3 years.
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30 bucks is insanity, why would someone chose 1 month sub over buying a game of your choice...
 
SSfox said:
30 bucks is insanity, why would someone chose 1 month sub over buying a game of your choice...
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Depends on who controls the means of distribution, and how they decide to offer said distribution.

If properly finessed into a corner, an audience could find themselves with only one choice.
 
SSfox said:
Trying to defend an insanity with another insanity, you're a genius mate
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To be clear, wasn't defending $30 game pass. I'll only subscribe whilst the gold stack is active. It's not worth £10.99 a month. Just highlighting that there's a lot of people that do pay stupid figures for gaming.
 
No shit. I only ever buy ms games when its on deep sale because of gamepass. Sometimes you just want to look at Quantum Break sitting snug in your library forever.
 
jakinov said:
Did you even read the Spencer the article you posted or did you just read the headline?

Spencer is talking about how the more people who play a game the more popular it becomes socially and so people without gamepass end up buying the game. Even the author of the article acknowledges that's what is meant by his words. It's obvious that if you pay for a subscription to play a game, you probably won't buy it.
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This is NOT what Xbox gamers here said or what video game journalist said within the last 3 years. They even said it was bad that Sony wasn't following suit.
 
mckmas8808 said:
This is NOT what Xbox gamers here said or what video game journalist said within the last 3 years. They even said it was bad that Sony wasn't following suit.
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Glad I'm not the only one who remembers this. They had their foot soldiers in the media and on forums/social media doing their best to apply pressure on Sony to follow them into the abyss. Doesn't take a genius to work out why, especially in light of this.
 
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Why does it matter when it will be a buffet of activision blizzard titles In game pass. Are gamers now mad about paying subscription to access games as a option so you don't have to buy them?
 
oldergamer said:
Look at it this way. Do you think halo would still be selling like hotcakes if it wasnt on gamepass? People on gaf tend not to look at ms without emotion involved. They wouldn't have launched game pass if it couldn't be profitable. Period. It has a clear business case. Games dont always sell at full price 12 months after launch. We are not talking about GTA or something like that.

It may be a moot point if most games sales typically dwindle after the first 4 months.
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Akshually, this is the kind of thing you launch losing money hoping that the advantadges further down the line put you in a dominant position to increase prices after you've smothered competitors.
 
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