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[phil_t98]

For all we know it could be the opposite of your scenario as well.
Regulators might ask them a precise figure, ask them if it was really necessary for a company with 70 billions spend to fire them instead of relocating them on other projects and draw their own conclusions about how pro workers they are.
Also the company doing the deal is called Microsoft not Xbox.

yes it could be but my point is we don't know numbers and it keeps getting brought up as if its only the gaming division that's had layoffs .

microsoft employ 221,000 which is a huge amount of people and when you look at how many divisions they have the gaming division could have had very few layoffs or many we don't know but the number gets touted a lot trying make the gaming division look bad

 

[Stooky]

so for all we know they could of laid off 50 people in gaming but 10,000 gets touted as if its from the whole gaming division?

From what I heard 343 was gutted so that would be more than 50 ppl

 

[demigod]

Serious question here, if the deal falls through does Phil get replaced?

100% he will be canned.

 

[Iced Arcade]

From what I heard 343 was gutted so that would be more than 50 ppl

Was 95 people.

In 2020 they had 750 employees at 343.

 

[Kilau]

Can’t help but feel everyone assuming this is dead will be shook soon.

 

[phil_t98]

Was 95 people.

In 2020 they had 750 employees at 343.

What’s the currant number?

 

[Iced Arcade]

What’s the currant number?

Not "gutted" lol

 

[thebigmanjosh]

What’s the currant number?

~450 according to LinkedIn

 

[phil_t98]

~450 according to LinkedIn

Yeah I found that number but when you do the research it’s an old number as the 450 it says they don’t employ any women which we all know is untrue so the number I guess will be bigger than 450

343 Industries Number of Employees, Statistics, Diversity, Demographics, and Facts - Zippia

343 Industries have 450 employees. Learn more about the 343 Industries's demographics and statistics by exploring diversity metrics and key facts about the company.

www.zippia.com

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Yeah I found that number but when you do the research it’s an old number as the 450 it says they don’t employ any women which we all know is untrue so the number I guess will be bigger than 450

http://[URL]https://www.zippia.com/343-industries-careers-2151526/demographics/

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It’s the current number on LinkedIn, not an estimate:

 

[phil_t98]

It’s the current number on LinkedIn, not an estimate:

That’s if everybody has a LinkedIn profile ?
What if they don’t have a profile on there?

 

[feynoob]

I wish MS invested $20b on Xbox first party, instead of buying big publishers.
MS/Xbox doesn't have a great production set like Sony.
Also Xbox lacks identity IPs outside of halo forza gears.
They also need to fire current Xbox leaders outside Phil. They aren't fit to run Xbox.
At least Phil has a vision, unlike the rest of the Xbox guys.

 

[thebigmanjosh]

That’s if everybody has a LinkedIn profile ?
What if they don’t have a profile on there?

It could also include people who don’t actually work there. I just threw it out because it does give a somewhat accurate look at headcount. MS for example has ~230k employees on LI

 

[Thirty7ven]

So anybody posting from the future can give us the low down cuz we need to wrap this shit up.

 

[phil_t98]

It could also include people who don’t actually work there. I just threw it out because it does give a somewhat accurate look at headcount. MS for example has ~230k employees on LI

Yeah they had 750 employees at one point but not as many now. That could be after halo infinite has finished (sorta) and layer off the to. Just a guess

 

[Pelta88]

yes it could be but my point is we don't know numbers and it keeps getting brought up as if its only the gaming division that's had layoffs .

microsoft employ 221,000 which is a huge amount of people and when you look at how many divisions they have the gaming division could have had very few layoffs or many we don't know but the number gets touted a lot trying make the gaming division look bad

There is a context here that you seem to be side stepping.

Microsoft's PR was that the XBOX division was thriving. "GP is profitable for us" or "Halo is doing fine with 20 million players" etc etc. It's only because of this acquisition that we as consumers have got a peak behind the curtain. And the reality of XB, VS the fantasy XBOX execs live in via PR, is abysmal.

Going by percentage of the workforce being laid off as opposed to heavy lay-offs in the division they claimed was doing great is a different factor entirely.

 

[Varteras]

So anybody posting from the future can give us the low down cuz we need to wrap this shit up.

The Buffalo Bills don't make it to the Super Bowl. Again.

 

[phil_t98]

There is a context here that you seem to be side stepping.

Microsoft's PR was that the XBOX division was thriving. "GP is profitable for us" or "Halo is doing fine with 20 million players" etc etc. It's only because of this acquisition that we as consumers have got a peak behind the curtain. And the reality of XB, VS the fantasy XBOX execs live in via PR, is abysmal.

Going by percentage of the workforce being laid off as opposed to heavy lay-offs in the division they claimed was doing great is a different factor entirely.

You’re not taking into factor that layoffs happen even when business is doing really well. Businesses are always looking at ways to cut costs and make more money.

So what you’re said is both right and wrong, we don’t know what workforce from the gaming division was laid off and why they were laid off. Nobody has numbers of how many are laid off in the gaming division.

 

[RevGaming]

So anybody posting from the future can give us the low down cuz we need to wrap this shit up.

It will get blocked, and they will try in a few months with Ubisoft because right now they worth 3B and are dying while holding two strings (AC and Siege)

 

[Aguero9320]

Can’t help but feel everyone assuming this is dead will be shook soon.

Maybe. There’s definitely a ridiculous amount of over confidence that ‘it’s dead’ despite a) it not being, and b) those proclamations coming from people who haven’t got a fucking clue what they are talking about

It’s impossible to call at this point, even if you’re on the inside, because it’s still in process. There’s more chance of it closing with the concessions Microsoft already offered than there is of being already dead, simply because it isn’t.

This has to be up there with the most ridiculous threads of all time. Great work everyone!

 

[The_Mike]

Maybe. There’s definitely a ridiculous amount of over confidence that ‘it’s dead’ despite a) it not being, and b) those proclamations coming from people who haven’t got a fucking clue what they are talking about

It’s impossible to call at this point, even if you’re on the inside, because it’s still in process. There’s more chance of it closing with the concessions Microsoft already offered than there is of being already dead, simply because it isn’t.

This has to be up there with the most ridiculous threads of all time. Great work everyone!

Careful now.

Ain't saying you are wrong or not, but posts like can end up aging like warm milk.

 

[Aguero9320]

Careful now.

Ain't saying you are wrong or not, but posts like can end up aging like warm milk.

You’re saying that to me? Have you read the thread?

My only points are that no one knows, and that the process is unconcluded? How can that ‘age like warm milk’? It is clearly the case at the time I posted.

As I said, ridiculous thread.

 

[Topher]

Maybe. There’s definitely a ridiculous amount of over confidence that ‘it’s dead’ despite a) it not being, and b) those proclamations coming from people who haven’t got a fucking clue what they are talking about

It’s impossible to call at this point, even if you’re on the inside, because it’s still in process. There’s more chance of it closing with the concessions Microsoft already offered than there is of being already dead, simply because it isn’t.

This has to be up there with the most ridiculous threads of all time. Great work everyone!

There has been even more "overconfidence" that the deal was going to go through without a hitch. No one knows what is going to happen regardless. That doesn't make this thread ridiculous. It has been a good discussion overall, imo.

 

[JayDucker]

My favorite "overconfident" post was from this guy.

I'll cut my finger off live on Gaf if this deal doesnt go through. What a load of bollocks.

 

[Heisenberg007]

My favorite "overconfident" post was from this guy.

Stuart360

 

[Banjo64]

My favorite "overconfident" post was from this guy.

For me it peaked with the Brazil/Saudi love in, and claims the UK and EU don’t understand the gaming market and are anti-consumer in comparison. Microsoft pulling all services from the UK as leverage and MI5 pressuring the CMA were also hilarious high points.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

You’re saying that to me? Have you read the thread?

My only points are that no one knows, and that the process is unconcluded? How can that ‘age like warm milk’? It is clearly the case at the time I posted.

As I said, ridiculous thread.

Ridiculous because people don't agree with you?

 

[gothmog]

Serious question here, if the deal falls through does Phil get replaced?

They're planning on replacing him with an openAI version of Mark Cerny

 

[Gobjuduck]

They're planning on replacing him with an openAI version of Mark Cerny

Making a creepier version of Mark Cerny seems impossible.

 

[JayDucker]

Stuart360

Stuart360

 

[pasterpl]

There is a context here that you seem to be side stepping.

Microsoft's PR was that the XBOX division was thriving. "GP is profitable for us" or "Halo is doing fine with 20 million players" etc etc. It's only because of this acquisition that we as consumers have got a peak behind the curtain. And the reality of XB, VS the fantasy XBOX execs live in via PR, is abysmal.

Going by percentage of the workforce being laid off as opposed to heavy lay-offs in the division they claimed was doing great is a different factor entirely.

Do you have exact numbers with how many people in Xbox dision were laid off?

As far as I know That 10k was across multiple divisions, mixed reality, Xbox etc. and overall company is doing very well. I cannot imagine that ms need all of these Bethesda game developers that previously were responsible for eg. Playstation version optimisation (same applies for others dev that they have acquired) - they had to go), also MS being a tech company, I am sure that lots of tasks is being replaced by automation and AI. Lastly, having worked in 2-3 massive corps like MS there is lots of workforce that is completely useless (this applies to all big companies). Unless you want to blame Intel, Amazon, Mata layoffs on Xbox division as well?

I agree, optics, and timing of letting 10k people go wasn’t great, but the whole tech industry is going though this at the moment, over staffing during Covid and now letting people go.

Btw. In business, even profitable and thriving debarments sometimes still go to restructure to be get even better and this sometimes leads to people being let go.

Point is, you cannot bring this all down to Xbox division(and it is obvious that you are trying to do that), redundancies happened across multiple departments and for various reasons.

Couple more facts

These layoffs come after all three businesses added to their payrolls during the pandemic years. Between June 2021 and 2022, Microsoft added more than 40,000 people to its payroll.

Microsoft gaming employees who posted about their layoff include:

* A world building artist at 343 Industries, the Microsoft subsidiary known for the “Halo” series of video games

* A licensing coordinator at Microsoft Xbox subsidiaries ZeniMax and Bethesda Softworks for more than four years

* An associate public relations manager for Bethesda

I know more people were let be in gaming division but this is a good example on who might have been let go.

Seems that HoloLens department was hit hard as Army was declining a contract that ms was supposed to fulfil.


You obviously come here with agenda.

 

[Three]

Man, what's the difference what number of those layoffs came from gaming or not. It misses the point entirely. The fact is that MS were not that pro-union to begin with but they want this deal to go through.

 

[Gobjuduck]

I wonder how Sony will react if the deal goes through with little concessions.

 

[demigod]

My favorite "overconfident" post was from this guy.

Hrmm he edited it, what was it before, penis?

 

[intheinbetween]

So a little more than the 6 months I remember before it came to PC. Still don‘t get where you got this idea that MS could have secured it as an exclusive. That’s the first time I have ever heard of this. Sounds more like you are trying to artificially support your argument, when an Xbox version was probably never considered as a release platform but as a late port.

Grand Theft Auto 3 Was Originally Pitched As An Xbox Exclusive

Microsoft rejected Rockstar on this offer.

www.gamespot.com

 

[vj27]

Not sure if this was posted or not. When they say it like this makes me think it’ll just be through cloud.

 

[bitbydeath]

Not sure if this was posted or not. When they say it like this makes me think it’ll just be through cloud.

Divesting COD to Nintendo would be quite the twist.

 

[jm89]

Not sure if this was posted or not. When they say it like this makes me think it’ll just be through cloud.

Regulators: What If we didn't let you buy abk and then activision can put cod on Nintendo without a 10 year deal.

 

[Jemm]

Divesting COD to Nintendo would be quite the twist.

Super Mario is back - now with AK-47!

 

[Goalus]

Regulators: What If we didn't let you buy abk and then activision can put cod on Nintendo without a 10 year deal.

They could have done that the past ten years, but didn't.

 

[demigod]

So they signed it with Nintendo and Steam isn't included. I guess we know which side Valve is on.

EDIT: Disregard

 

[Action Jackson]

http://[URL]https://www.gamespot.co...ly-pitched-as-an-xbox-exclusive/1100-6499031/

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Interesting! Thanks for the link.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Regulators: What If we didn't let you buy abk and then activision can put cod on Nintendo without a 10 year deal.

So why haven't they?

 

[jm89]

So why haven't they?

That's a question you need to ask Activision and why all of a sudden it's possible now. I wonder why?

 

[Danjin44]

 

[reksveks]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/dea...earing-google-nvidia-also-present-2023-02-21/

So they signed it with Nintendo and Steam isn't included. I guess we know which side Valve is on.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8980...ances-in-closing-activision-merger/index.html

I am sure MS will bring this up if the situation has changed.

 

[DenchDeckard]

That's a question you need to ask Activision and why all of a sudden it's possible now. I wonder why?

Becuase Microsoft have said they will. So as the new owners they will assign development funds to the Nintendo version...something Activision hasn't done in an entire generation.

It's possible now becuase Microsoft are going to make it happen.

Pretty simple, really.

 

[reksveks]

Re the Nintendo deal, this ain't the level of deal that MS needs to make as I said before

 

[jm89]

Becuase Microsoft have said they will. So as the new owners they will assign development funds to the Nintendo version...something Activision hasn't done in an entire generation.

It's possible now becuase Microsoft are going to make it happen.

Pretty simple, really.

Simple indeed. Let's keep it at then.

 

[demigod]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/dea...earing-google-nvidia-also-present-2023-02-21/


https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8980...ances-in-closing-activision-merger/index.html

I am sure MS will bring this up if the situation has changed.

Oh i missed that, was probably too busy with work at that time. Disregard what i said then!