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[ZehDon]

You got served by 2 people with receipts and links and all you did was reply back with your own feelings. Now you’re moving the goal post. You’d probably be better off posting a meme earlier to save yourself the embarrassment.

No, all I got was "ignoring everything that disproves my story, you'll find my story is absolutely true", accompanied by some blue coloured words leading to pages that didn't agree with their stories. I haven't really made any claims, so, what goal posts did I set and how did I move them?

 

[GHG]

Why even single out anyone? Everybody is dishonest, there is always an agenda, even when it’s just jokes the armour is on, I can seriously guess the angle a poster will have just by seeing their names, everybody is transparent. This deal turned everybody into warriors.

Are you joking?

Look at the thread of the conversation he was replying to.

There are plenty of regular fans and "fanboys" who are simply passionate about what they like and believe in, sometimes they will get things wrong. However the likes of the individual I quoted consistently lie through their teeth, even when it is clear they are wrong and have been wrong, they will never admit so nor will they be candid and pragmatic in their discussion. All that serves to do is drag the overall level of discussion down to a level whereby they can dictate things via whatever PR they are being shovelled at the time.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Well let's take a look through history here shall we? :

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/our-...-of-duty-on-playstation-phil-spencer.1628180/

Here is DarkMage619 sowing FUD on behalf of playstation:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/our-...n-phil-spencer.1628180/page-16#post-265420086

Here he is again sowing FUD on behalf of Playstation:



https://www.neogaf.com/threads/our-...n-phil-spencer.1628180/page-17#post-265421558

And here is one of the many examples of him supporting FUD being sowed on behalf of playstation:

And here is Tom Warren, the guy who Microsoft were willing to quote in their official response to the CMA, sowing FUD on behalf of playstation:

Astonishing, all of these people in support of sowing FUD on behalf of playstation, including Microsoft's most reliable mouthpieces in the media and on forums. They never stood a chance really.

DarkMage619

 

[Morrie’s wig shop]

I thought the FTC wants Sony and Microsoft to reveal all their 3rd party dealings over the last decade. With all the clauses in it.

 

[Edmund]

There are plenty of regular fans and "fanboys" who are simply passionate about what they like and believe in, sometimes they will get things wrong. However the likes of the individual I quoted consistently lie through their teeth,

Just like their idol, Phil.

 

[reksveks]

In actual news

https://assets.publishing.service.g...on_Remedies_Notice__Revised_NCV__redacted.pdf

Sony's lawyer's response to the CMA notice of potential remedies.

Filled 22nd February, nothing that surprising. They bring up the issues around haptics support, the interesting stuff around the licensing costs is redacted.

 

[nikolino840]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

those sony's lawyers are doing what they are supposed to be doing ...but it reads like an argument made in a gaming forum.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[Heisenberg007]

That's a really weak-looking argument (assuming it's exactly like this and is the only argument they put out).

 

[reksveks]

Boo, give us the juicy stuff.

Love the 2 hr note.

 

[adamsapple]

oh sod off lol

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sony's conclusion:
Transaction should be prohibited or subject to a structural remedy.

MS's co conclusion:
These RCBs are substantial compared with any adverse effects of the Merger, and these benefits would be largely preserved by behavioural remedies but not by structural remedies. Microsoft therefore believes that the criteria for the CMA to consider behavioural remedies are met in this case.

 

[reksveks]

Just for completeness
MS response to the remedies
https://assets.publishing.service.g...n_-_Response_to_Remedies_Notice_-_NCV__2_.pdf

Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger, and certainly will not increase to a point that offsets the substantial benefits of Activision titles coming to Game Pass on a day and date basis. This is especially so given Game Pass will continue to be constrained by B2P

Will let others have a look. They have shared the key terms for the Nvidia deal with the CMA,

Sony's conclusion:
Transaction should be prohibited or subject to a structural remedy.

MS's co conclusion:
These RCBs are substantial compared with any adverse effects of the Merger, and these benefits would be largely preserved by behavioural remedies but not by structural remedies. Microsoft therefore believes that the criteria for the CMA to consider behavioural remedies are met in this case.

Basically.

 

[adamsapple]

Just for completeness
MS response to the remedies
https://assets.publishing.service.g...n_-_Response_to_Remedies_Notice_-_NCV__2_.pdf

Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger.


Excellent.

 

[Hendrick's]

Boo, give us the juicy stuff.

Love the 2 hr note.

As I've said all along. This is a battle against Game Pass or services like it. Sony does not want to change their business model to compete, yet somehow MS should? It's such a weak argument.

 

[Banjo64]

Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger.


Excellent.

Nice but surely they could just say it’s increasing by £3 a month as a result of inflation? They can attribute cost increases to whatever they like.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger.


Excellent.

Game Pass price will likely be increasing soon even if they don't get ABK. After ABK, it will definitely go up. They can't offer such a premium catalog of games at the same cost. It's extremely unlikely.

 

[Banjo64]

As I've said all along. This is a battle against Game Pass or services like it. Sony does not want to change their business model to compete, yet somehow MS should? It's such a weak argument.

‘Sony does not want to earn less money than they currently do, more at 11’

 

[bxrz]

Yea Sony is desperate cause what the hell are they even talking about? Who does that lmaoo

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

GamePass is increasing in price with or without ABK. But it doesn’t have to increase BECAUSE of ABK.

 

[DarkMage619]

Fantastic post that sums up why it’s been so hard to have any sort of honest dialogue on here about this deal. Some people have been consistent with their views throughout and address things they get wrong. Other people just say anything that tows the party line. It is pointless trying to engage posters like Mage and Sage because because they aren’t honest in their approach.

You guys happily remove Nintendo from the industry in one post and laugh at Xbox being in third place in the next yet you want to talk to me about 'towing the party line'? Bad comedy.

This deal was never illegal and PlayStation was never in jeopardy of being in anything but first place afterwards yet people here are talking about eee and things Steve Balmer and Bill Gates did like those guys are still in charge or like Xbox hasn't been in third place for 20 years.

You are absolutely right about lacking honesty in discussions with some people but that wasn't coming from me. Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

As I've said all along. This is a battle against Game Pass or services like it. Sony does not want to change their business model to compete, yet somehow MS should? It's such a weak argument.

This is an excellent point. Sony does not want to change their business model. No one is forcing them to. They'd prefer to not offer their customers alternative payment methods for new games that's fine. MS does and I like the options.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It’s funny, some people have been saying “embarrassing from Sony” since the beginning and yet it keeps getting better and better for Sony.

 

[reksveks]

Activision games are not currently available on any cloud gaming service. The CMA provisionally considers that in the counterfactual at least some cloud gaming providers—especially those with a buy-to-play (“B2P”) or bring-your-own-game (“BYOG”) offering—would have Activision’s most valuable games available on their platforms on the date of their release in the next five years. In particular, the CMA provisionally considers it likely, in particular, that Activision would [] in the near future absent the Merger.The CMA provisionally considers that the availability of Activision content, in particular CoD and World of Warcraft (“WoW”) would be a particularly important input to cloud gaming services.

To resolve the Cloud Gaming SLC, Microsoft will commit to license Activision games, including CoD and WoW, [] to cloud gaming providers with a B2P or BYOG offering for a period of 10 years

Should go back to work now.

 

[bxrz]

Game Pass price will likely be increasing soon even if they don't get ABK. After ABK, it will definitely go up. They can't offer such a premium catalog of games at the same cost. It's extremely unlikely.

They just said to regulators that they won't do it...

 

[Heisenberg007]

As I've said all along. This is a battle against Game Pass or services like it. Sony does not want to change their business model to compete, yet somehow MS should? It's such a weak argument.

That's not the case though.

Sony is not forcing Microsoft to change their business model through acquisitions. However, Microsoft is.

Microsoft can make a $70 billion acquisition of a multiplatform publisher (news flash: Sony can't), and then bear the costs of putting those games on a subscription service and let go of a billion $ in sales (again, Sony can't), and then push Sony out of the market by cutting the costs of access for users significantly (from $70 to $1).

Sony, of course, does not want that to happen. Because they cannot compete at that ground at all.

 

[Heisenberg007]

They just said to regulators that they won't do it...

Technically, they haven't said that. They said "Game Pass price will not increase as a result of the Merger."

It can still go up after the acquisition because of inflation or the company losing money, which had absolutely nothing to do with the Merger. *wink wink*.

But it will go up; it's clear as daylight. Even Phil Spencer kind of hinted that prices of one or all of the following -- games, consoles, and sub -- will have to go up. They've already upped game prices. I bet console price and sub price are going up next.

 

[adamsapple]

Technically, they haven't said that. They said "Game Pass price will not increase as a result of the Merger."

It can still go up after the acquisition because of inflation or the company losing money, which had absolutely nothing to do with the Merger. *wink wink*.

And there also may or may not be bugs in the final level of the next CoD on PS5 which may have absolutely nothing to do with the Merger either *winkety wink*

 

[Heisenberg007]

And there also may or may not be bugs in the final level of the next CoD on PS5 which may have absolutely nothing to do with the Merger either *winkety wink*

True. That's why I said it's a weakass argument by Sony if that's the only thing they put out.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well let's take a look through history here shall we? :

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/our-...-of-duty-on-playstation-phil-spencer.1628180/

Here is DarkMage619 sowing FUD on behalf of playstation:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/our-...n-phil-spencer.1628180/page-16#post-265420086

Here he is again sowing FUD on behalf of Playstation:



https://www.neogaf.com/threads/our-...n-phil-spencer.1628180/page-17#post-265421558

And here is one of the many examples of him supporting FUD being sowed on behalf of playstation:

And here is Tom Warren, the guy who Microsoft were willing to quote in their official response to the CMA, sowing FUD on behalf of playstation:

Astonishing, all of these people in support of sowing FUD on behalf of playstation, including Microsoft's most reliable mouthpieces in the media and on forums. They never stood a chance really.

His title checks out.

 

[BeardGawd]

As I've said all along. This is a battle against Game Pass or services like it. Sony does not want to change their business model to compete, yet somehow MS should? It's such a weak argument.

So dumb. Of course Sony would have to pay Market Rate to put it on PlayStation Plus Extra. MS paid 68 Billion to be able to do the same.

 

[NickFire]

They just said to regulators that they won't do it...

We need to stop spreading half truths. The second half of the sentence literally says “and certainly will not increase to a point that offsets the substantial benefits”.

The price will go up. They just plan to blame something other than the merger. It’s right there.

 

[Nothing1234]

They just said to regulators that they won't do it...

As a result of the ABK deal…

 

[fred420170]

Boo, give us the juicy stuff.

Love the 2 hr note.

Sounds like a Sony problem. If this is really their business model and they depend on third party games to survive this badly that's their problem, not Microsofts. They are complete morons if this is true and need to do a top down re-organization of the company & fire lots execs that made these dumb decisions years ago.

 

[bxrz]

Technically, they haven't said that. They said "Game Pass price will not increase as a result of the Merger."

It can still go up after the acquisition because of inflation or the company losing money, which had absolutely nothing to do with the Merger. *wink wink*.

But it will go up; it's clear as daylight. Even Phil Spencer kind of hinted that prices of one or all of the following -- games, consoles, and sub -- will have to go up. They've already upped game prices. I bet console price and sub price are going up next.

You just read them say they won't do it and your takeaway is "They will still do it"

That is literally peak delusion

 

[DrFigs]

So dumb. Of course Sony would have to pay Market Rate to put it on PlayStation Plus Extra. MS paid 68 Billion to be able to do the same.

Yep. Microsoft is only trying to make it impossible for Sony to compete with them on this. why is that so bad?

 

[jm89]

Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger.


Excellent.

 

[NickFire]

You just read them say they won't do it and your takeaway is "They will still do it"

That is literally peak delusion

Read the entire sentence. It’s not hard. Dont stop at commas. Commas are not periods.

 

[bxrz]

We need to stop spreading half truths. The second half of the sentence literally says “and certainly will not increase to a point that offsets the substantial benefits”.

The price will go up. They just plan to blame something other than the merger. It’s right there.

Yall have been saying the price will go up for 5 years. Maybe if you wait another 5 years it will go up 1$. Then the world will blow up

 

[Topher]

Sounds like a Sony problem. If this is really their business model and they depend on third party games to survive this badly that's their problem, not Microsofts. They are complete morons if this is true and need to do a top down re-organization of the company & fire lots execs that made these dumb decisions years ago.

Xbox and PlayStation both rely on third party games in their business models. This isn't new.

 

[fred420170]

They just said to regulators that they won't do it...

I expect them to raise it. I'm fine with that. The amount of content that has been releasing on the regular is nuts and it's only the beginning of March. If the ABK deal goes through the catalog is going to be next level!

 

[bxrz]

Read the entire sentence. It’s not hard. Dont stop at commas. Commas are not periods.

I did. And they said it won't go up because of this acquisition. But you live in a fantasy world where what you read means the complete opposite so I don't know what to tell you lol

 

[Banjo64]

You guys happily remove Nintendo from the industry in one post and laugh at Xbox being in third place in the next yet you want to talk to me about 'towing the party line'? Bad comedy.

This deal was never illegal and PlayStation was never in jeopardy of being in anything but first place afterwards yet people here are talking about eee and things Steve Balmer and Bill Gates did like those guys are still in charge or like Xbox hasn't been in third place for 20 years.

I’ve never said any of that so again, not sure who you’re talking to or about.

Completely evading your previous contradictory position just proves my point

 

[NickFire]

Yall have been saying the price will go up for 5 years. Maybe if you wait another 5 years it will go up 1$. Then the world will blow up

Bullshit goal post moving.

 

[BeardGawd]

Yep. Microsoft is only trying to make it impossible for Sony to compete with them on this. why is that so bad?

Quit with the dumb arguments. Activision refused to put any COD games on subscriptions. MS is being more than amicable by opening this up to everyone. Of course it would be at fair market rates.

 

[adamsapple]

We need to stop spreading half truths. The second half of the sentence literally says “and certainly will not increase to a point that offsets the substantial benefits”.

The price will go up. They just plan to blame something other than the merger. It’s right there.

 

[DrFigs]

Yall have been saying the price will go up for 5 years. Maybe if you wait another 5 years it will go up 1$. Then the world will blow up

it'll probably go up when Xbox starts releasing games. yeah it would have been insane for them to increase the price of gamepass while delivering a minimal amount of games. but probably when they start to do more, we'll see an increase. not sure why a 1 dollar rise is ridiculous. people are not saying they're going to triple the price of gamepass overnight.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You guys happily remove Nintendo from the industry

The brand you gobble the goo from did that themselves.

You must have not gotten that PR update with how fast the flippies have been flopping.

 

[DForce]

You just read them say they won't do it and your takeaway is "They will still do it"

That is literally peak delusion

It will not go up as a result of the acquisition, but it can go up for different reasons.

 

[Elios83]

Basically CMA has fully embraced Sony's position in their preliminary findings.
Deal blocked or with structural remedies.

I find interesting and relevant that Microsoft has proposed Sony to get COD day one on Playstation Plus if they pay proper price.
Sony of course is stating it would ruin their business anyway, it would cost too much and whatever but that is just posture.
The important element is that if Microsoft is offering this possibility it is a significant step up in the remedies that are being offered compared to just the 70$ version dollars of COD.
At this stage they only need to secure the possibility to get the 10 years contract renewed after a re-evaluation of the market and even if this isn't blocked Sony would have neutralized the possible damage to them from this acquisition.