So, after the Redfall news. Is starfield most definitely only 30fps at this point?

DarkMage619 said:
Does this matter? People complained about Redfall because it supposedly is a fast paced twitch first person shooter. Starfield is a first or third person RPG. Are we now claiming RPGs must also be 60fps in order to be playable? How many previous Bethesda RPGs launched on console at 60fps?
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Of course it matters. Are you for real? Have you tried playing Cyberpunk at 30 fps? Don't remember how Fallout 4 feels to play on console?

First person shooters need to be 60. Period. End of discussion.
 
It'll be 30fps with dips most likely, the game wasn't running at a stable 30 when they showed it last time, uploading a YT video at 60fps doesn't mean a thing.
 
rhodesianshepard said:
They are both owned by Microsoft! Bethesda/Arkane games have always been kind of janky, but it's not unreasonable to think maybe Microsoft could help with polishing up their first party exclusive games upon release. Redfall seems to be just as janky as every other Arkane game, so I'm gonna guess Starfield will be just as buggy and poorly optimized as Fallout 4/76 were on release. Microsoft has not shown the ability to enhance these studios after acquisition, which is disappointing
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Yeah...I swear MS has been terrible with almost everything this generation. They own Bethesda but want to be so hands off they won't even step in to insure 6p fps for Series X? It's rediculous and damaging to their brand. MS should be embarrassed. Just time after time they've shown their ineptitude

Halo Infinite, lack of exclusives, dev hell and delays, poor performance, not using the featureset of rdna 2 that they made such a big deal about, shutting down their BC program, forcing crossplay in their multiplayer games ...

All under the "leadership" of Phil Spencer. The guy is a dufus. I bought a Series X btw and it's been all disappointments except for maybe Forza Horizon 5 and having a superior version of Psychonauts 2. I'll also give then credit for MS Flight Sim. Everything else has been bad.
 
DarkMage619 said:
Does this matter? People complained about Redfall because it supposedly is a fast paced twitch first person shooter. Starfield is a first or third person RPG. Are we now claiming RPGs must also be 60fps in order to be playable? How many previous Bethesda RPGs launched on console at 60fps?
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It's some bizarre new talking point. Especially this angle about XSX and its power level. LOL

As if every game that has released on XSX at 30fps hasn't also been 30fps on PS5. But let them dream. It will certainly be humorous down the line.

Funnier still is that these same gamers that grandstand about 30fps will lament the fact that we haven't seen games that appear next-gen in comparison to PS4/X1. Which is it, do you want to take the option off the table for them to max these consoles out in creative ways in order to protect the framerate or not? Doesn't even really come into play with these games because we know Redfall is getting a 60fps mode and Starfield might as well who knows. But it will be a very limiting thing for games in general if this is the direction that players force the devs into (sacrificing technological advancement for framerate).

By all means I hope the devs optimize everything as much as possible and hit the highest framerate they possibly can (or have modes that do that) whether it is 30/40/60/120 whatever. But, if they want to go nuts with UE5 at 30 or 40 and that is the peak for the game on these systems, let them have the option to do that as well.
 
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Starfield is a Todd Howard game, you'll be thanking your lucky stars if the game works at launch and doesn't have bugs where it deletes your save games or runs out of memory and crashes
 
So you are afraid that a game is going to be 30fps because another games 60fps mode is coming a little later after launch?

You don't have many things in life to worry about huh?
 
Feel Like I'm On 42 said:
Redfall being 30 fps. Starfield almost guaranteed to be 30. Why the fuck isn't FSR2 being used in all MS's first party games?
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Probably because FSR2 is taxing as hell accounting for at least 3ms already when you only have 16ms if you want 60fps

16ms is already very little time for all of the calculations done in a frame
 
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There will always be 30fps games on consoles. I would not be surprised if Starfield is one of them based on the scale of the project and its visual quality.

People are blasting Redfall for the 30fps because it certainly looks like a game that should be able to do 60fps no sweat (Arkane are even planning to offer this post-launch, so it's possible). The 60fps mode not being ready at launch seems to be more to do with MS wanting to rush the game out because there's fuck all coming out for Xbox this year.

But let's not go crazy and start thinking that anything below 60fps is sacrilege now. Context matters. If CDPR somehow managed to get Cyberpunk with Overdrive ray-tracing running on consoles at 30fps and 1080p, you can bet everyone would be all over it.
 
Feel Like I'm On 42 said:
Of course it matters. Are you for real? Have you tried playing Cyberpunk at 30 fps? Don't remember how Fallout 4 feels to play on console?

First person shooters need to be 60. Period. End of discussion.
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Starfield is a RPG. You can play it in first and third person. When did RPGs require a 60fps mode?
 
DarkMage619 said:
Starfield is a RPG. You can play it in first and third person. When did RPGs require a 60fps mode?
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First of all, literally every game will be better at a higher frame rate

That said, you think you are playing a turn base game? Lol. When action is most intense in combat, it's a first person shooter
 
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jorgejjvr said:
First of all, literally every game will be better at a higher frame rate

That said, you think you are playing a turn base game? Lol. When action is most intense in combat, it's a first person shooter
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Starfield is RPGs with an optional 3rd or first person mode. What is Bethesda's history with releasing 60fps games on console? Would this be the first time they've released a potential 30fps on console?

jorgejjvr said:
It's not? Could have fooled me

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I give Nintendo shit, but at least they know to release their fighters and shooters at 60fps. I'm thinking Splatoon, Metroid prime, smash.
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Third person too. Just because Metroid Prime runs at 60fps doesn't mean Starfield needs to run at 60fps. Also how old is Metroid Prime? I'm positive that game would run at 60fps on almost any device including the current Xbox systems.
 
DarkMage619 said:
Starfield is RPGs with an optional 3rd or first person mode. What is Bethesda's history with releasing 60fps games on console? Would this be the first time they've released a potential 30fps on console?


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Third person too. Just because Metroid Prime runs at 60fps doesn't mean Starfield needs to run at 60fps. Also how old is Metroid Prime? I'm positive that game would run at 60fps on almost any device including the current Xbox systems.
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Damn, people still defending 30fps even on "the most powerful console"
 
jorgejjvr said:
Damn, people still defending 30fps even on "the most powerful console"
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Name a game that is doing the same things but running at 60fps on console. People have to accept reality some games have technical systems that make running at 60fps without significant cuts, unlikely. And slight correction it's 'most powerful Xbox' right? Choose a narrative. People seem to bounce around depending on the narrative that's being pushed.
 
If Starfield wasn't guaranteed to be 30FPS before the Redfall news, it is now.
 
I 100% expect starfield to run at 30. Not that big of a deal to me for that style of game, but it needs to be a good looking. Time will tell as I will play it regardless.
 
DarkMage619 said:
Name a game that is doing the same things but running at 60fps on console. People have to accept reality some games have technical systems that make running at 60fps without significant cuts, unlikely. And slight correction it's 'most powerful Xbox' right? Choose a narrative. People seem to bounce around depending on the narrative that's being pushed.
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i don't think arguments on both sides should be that cut and dry.

but fantrolls are gonna fantroll.
 
Honestly, I don't even care. I'd rather it be 60fps, but if this gen has taught me anything, it's to drastically lower my expectations regarding these things. Hopefully, I'm pleasantly surprised.
 
I think the question should now be:


analog_future said:
Starfield has literally nothing to do with Redfall.

That's like asking if, since Returnal renders at 1080p, does that mean that future SIE games are going to render at 1080p.

The answer is no, obviously.



Their trailer from a month ago, which includes in-game footage, was uploaded at 60fps:

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PC or console tho? :pie_thinking:

Seems from now on for Xbox games we're gonna have to specify PC or console.

30 fps will always be on the table, isnt going away. At best hope for performance modes.
 
30fps looks like absolute trash on OLEDS and a lot more people have them now. 30fps and no field of view is absolutely vomit inducing sitting at a desk with a monitor too.
 
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