Gotdamn, at least troll correctly!But WAR by another means. - The Greeks
Please no ban.
I was listening to a professor that said it was Greek in origin.Gotdamn, at least troll correctly!
At least quote Clausewitz' in the original French if you are gonna die on this hill...
"La guerre est la politique par d'autres moyens"
What isn't?I was listening to a professor that said it was Greek in origin.
They considered slaves as furniture that breathes. According to Aristotle. And a woman was of no value. So they missed some things.What isn't?
Dem fuckers were geniuses.
Dude, the Spartan King conducted a ten year "global" war over a woman. She had plenty of value.They considered slaves as furniture that breathes. According to Aristotle. And a woman was of no value. So they missed some things.
Well Spartans were not like everyone else.Dude, the Spartan King conducted a ten year "global" war over a woman. She had plenty of value.
And EVERYONE back then took slaves or could become slaves if the war went badly. And they did distinguish between chattel slaves and a more serf like status of slavery.
Wait, but Clausewitz was Prussian. His native language was French?Gotdamn, at least troll correctly!
At least quote Clausewitz' in the original French if you are gonna die on this hill...
"La guerre est la politique par d'autres moyens"
Dude, the Spartan King conducted a ten year "global" war over a woman. She had plenty of value.
However, in order for the narrative to work, for it to be sympathized with, they would have had to know the value of woman.The Iliad wasn't a true historical account. It's a work of fiction. I highly doubt Agamemnon and Menelaus (if they were even real historical figures) went to war over Helen.
But they had an epic that was EXPLICITLY about the high value of a woman, so high it sparked a regional war. Helen just that good of a cool?The Iliad wasn't a true historical account. It's a work of fiction. I highly doubt Agamemnon and Menelaus (if they were even real historical figures) went to war over Helen.
If yah gonna troll, do it with subtletyWait, but Clausewitz was Prussian. His native language was French?
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Underrated post.How do you define politics? If politics are simply what you can taste, touch, smell, and see, then politics are just electrical impulses interpreted in your brain. Look at the screen, OP. This is the World as you know it. 2023. The height of human civilization. It exists now only as a simulated virtual reality called politics. Penis. You've...been living in a dream world, OP. This is the world as it exists today.
*opens up Twitter*
Welcome to the desert of the terminally online. I've seen it, OP. There are fields. Fields where Leftists are no longer born, they're made. The human body has 125 grams of salt and can generate enough engagement to (em)power minorities all so they can turn a human being....into....this:
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Not really. Right and Left wing terminally online people are sucked into the 'ever engaged' mode. No real reason to single out left or right wing in this, it really just depends on what each one flips out about, but it's all the same drama and salt.Underrated post.
However, in order for the narrative to work, for it to be sympathized with, they would have had to know the value of woman.
But they had an epic that was EXPLICITLY about the high value of a woman, so high it sparked a regional war. Helen just that good of a cool?
I was just talking about the reference to The Matrix. I really don't care about anything you just said.Not really. Right and Left wing terminally online people are sucked into the 'ever engaged' mode. No real reason to single out left or right wing in this, it really just depends on what each one flips out about, but it's all the same drama and salt.
Although I guess if you're more left leaning, you'll claim right leaning are this and that and the right leaning people will be claiming whatever about left leaning people. And it's just a never-ending expanse of bitching and moaning and each side accusing each other of being the absolute worst.
So yeah, I for one appreciate the ban. It at least tones down the bitching and moaning, virtue signalling and sometimes subtle or not too subtle homophobic, transphobic, racist, xenophobic etc rhetoric, which has blown up since 'the event'.
Well okay.I was just talking about the reference to The Matrix. I really don't care about anything you just said.
The battle of Troy happened. I have been there.The Iliad wasn't a true historical account. It's a work of fiction. I highly doubt Agamemnon and Menelaus (if they were even real historical figures) went to war over Helen.
The battle of Troy happened. I have been there.
Agamemnon didn't care about Helen, he just needed a reason to go to war.
Well no one would fight for 10 years over a woman.A battle happened at a site called Troy (a few actually), but highly doubtful it was a ten year war fought over a women. The Iliad wasn't anywhere near a true historical account and there isn't any evidence that even the human characters (Agamemnon, Helen, Hector etc) were real.
No, she is neither of these. She is the innermost rung of the wheel. Everything turns around her.Helen of Troy is just a plot device rather than subtle lesson of the value of women.
See, you are framing them in a modern context. NO ONE had much of a female presence in forward facing leadership, especially in the documents left to us. It's not like there were all these elegatarian equitable societies all around them for contrast. Plus the Spartans, with the most gender equity, were the MOST "slave" dependent society.The Iliad has lots of themes including the glorification of war, pride, hubris and masculinity amongst others. Helen of Troy is just a plot device rather than subtle lesson of the value of women.
Women in ancient Greece held little to no power in city states. For example, women were unable to vote, held no positions of power and were controlled by men throughout their lives.
Interestingly there is a slight exception in ancient Sparta where women had more freedom. Here women were given a formal education, were encouraged to exercise and could own property, but the men were still in power.
Never fear, in 500-1000 years ALL OF US will be branded "problematic backward wretches" because we eat meat derived from living animals, keep pets, use pesticides, encouraged the proliferation of plastics, or who knows what lens future folks will use to judge us. Despite their flaws from our POV, the Greeks were cranking out a LEGION of ideas that allowed our modern society to flourish. Can't think of any other wellspring of human thought I'd rather drink from.