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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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That is definitely a "I'm a lawyer" look.
That is definitely a "I'm a lawyer" look.
Your math is wrong
The UK only ad says 150m more players so you using the current UK population figure is too high as it includes current UK PC and PS Call of Duty players.
Not as off as Microsoft marketing mind
I know I just saying that you need to take the UK COD players from the total population which makes the ad more disingenuous and the figures worse than you quotedOh no I'm not the one that did the calculation. Had no idea this sites population calculation was wrong.
Regardless I don't see how Microsoft can offer COD to over 150 million consumers in the UK. The population is below that number.
I know I just saying that you need to take the UK COD players from the total population which makes the ad more disingenuous and the figures worse than you quoted
Somehow Microsoft think
UK Current Population of 68m
less UK Current COD players
plus 150m more players
Is still under UK's current population of 68m![]()
if the deal goes through every COD player will receive a 10 year UK citizenshipI know I just saying that you need to take the UK COD players from the total population which makes the ad more disingenuous and the figures worse than you quoted
Somehow Microsoft think
UK Current Population of 68m
less UK Current COD players
plus 150m more players
Is still under UK's current population of 68m![]()
It's tough competing with Man City year in year out, Arsenal have had to play at their very best, while City have just had a normal season, possibly a little poor by their standards, although they have come pretty good at the end.First one was unfortunate for us. We gave them 2 goal mistakes and they punished us. we were naive.
Their depth is insane. Even If they miss halland, they still have the other striker sitting in the bench, who is as good as halland, and can fit in all premier league team first team sheet.It's tough competing with Man City year in year out, Arsenal have had to play at their very best, while City have just had a normal season, possibly a little poor by their standards, although they have come pretty good at the end.
Just got a little twitchy against Leeds, although City only have themselves to blame for that, they took their foot of the gas in the second half, them missed a penalty.Their depth is insane. Even If they miss halland, they still have the other striker sitting in the bench, who is as good as halland, and can fit in all premier league team first team sheet.
One more goal from leeds, and I would have jumped from my seat due to excitement. Sadly, it didnt happen.Just got a little twitchy against Leeds, although City only have themselves to blame for that, they took their foot of the gas in the second half, them missed a penalty.![]()
Back to you with Newcastle tomorrow, should be a decent game.One more goal from leeds, and I would have jumped from my seat due to excitement. Sadly, it didnt happen.
And cost £14m.Their depth is insane. Even If they miss halland, they still have the other striker sitting in the bench, who is as good as halland, and can fit in all premier league team first team sheet.
Florian being a petty
he is an expert, he has always been right.So on top of being insane and wrong about most things, he's also a petty bitch. He must be wonderful to be around in person.
Florian being a petty
He's being petty. Microsoft is obviously trying the this deal is too big to let these small potatoes lawsuits hold things up card. The system is supposed to protect against that. The plaintiffs neither created the deal nor have input into the breakup fee timetable. If anything the judge should recommend an accelerated timeline to help move this along if that's a real concern.I'm not a lawyer, but this seems kind of unfair. like if a business is doing something harmful and you can argue it in court, but you don't have 3 billion dollars + change to spare, you're just out of luck, you can't sue them? so businesses can do harmful deals so long as its really expensive?
He called the CMA telling MS to fuck off?he is an expert, he has always been right.
That's crazy if that's true. I've had the cloud version for awhile haven't tried it once.xCloud is not a separate service offered by Microsoft. It is merged with Game Pass. So the CMA is under no obligation to dissect it.
Also, according to data that Microsoft itself shared, Game Pass has 25 million subscribers, and over 20 million people have played games through xCloud.
So 80% of Game Pass users use or have used cloud gaming.
I don't think that percentage holds up, partially cause you can play fortnite on xcloud without a gamepass membership.That's crazy if that's true. I've had the cloud version for awhile haven't tried it once.
COYGOne more goal from leeds, and I would have jumped from my seat due to excitement. Sadly, it didnt happen.
They lose 3b if they pull out. Same with activision if they pull out first.Seriously though, so what does this mean now? If the deal doesn't go through MS still loses $3B for the attempt?
They lose 3b if they pull out. Same with activision if they pull out first.
We are witnessing stand out show between the two of them. The first one to back out will pay the fees.
No. If the deal is blocked by regulators, Microsoft pays the amount to Activision. That's in the contract.They lose 3b if they pull out. Same with activision if they pull out first.
We are witnessing stand out show between the two of them. The first one to back out will pay the fees.
This is on account on idas.That doesn't make any sense.
Activision won't pull out until the deal expires in June. They will get 3 billion as a result of that.
Activision are not the ones paying Microsoft that amount.
Activision Blizzard has to pay Microsoft a termination fee of $2,270,100,000 if:
- MS is still waiting for the ABK stockholders meeting to happen by the termination dates.
- Regulatory conditions were not satisfied and the reason is a breach by ABK.
- ABK infringes the agreement.
- The ABK stockholders reject the deal.
- The Activision Blizzard Board of Directors doesn't recommend the deal anymore.
- ABK receives a better offer.
Both can happen.I don't see this happening at this point BTW. Also that 3 billion figure was Microzofts not ABKs.
Both can happen.
MS is pushing for appeal process and don't want to lose that money.
Real question... Not saying that they SHOULD but could they revise/amend the contract removing the importance of the CMA approval? Spencer said in that interview they already had like 9 out of 14 regulatory approvals so it would be funny if the entire deal got squashed because they only ended up with 13/14 approvals (CMA)It's not an indefinite contract though. And due to the current requirements the deal can't go through unless the CMA approves. A process which takes a lot more than a couple of months.
Looks like we are gonna have a stand off between MS and ABK lawyers in the next few weeks/months.This is on account on idas.
What happens if the deal doesn't get approved?
The merger agreement says that MS and ABK expect the deal to close in 12 months (January 18th 2023) or less. But the agreement also includes two possible extensions of 3 months each one (until April 18th 2023 and the other one until July 18th 2023). That's why MS says that they expect the deal to close in fiscal year 2023.
Those extensions apply automatically if by January 18th 2023 or April 18th 2023 the transaction is still pending regulatory approval.
The transaction can be terminated by MS or ABK if:
The transaction can be terminated by ABK if:
- Both parties agree.
- The Activision Blizzard stockholders reject it (it was already approved, so it's doesn't apply anymore).
- A court or a regulator rejects the deal and there is no way to appeal it.
- There is a new law that prohibits this kind of deal.
- By January 18th 2023 or April 18th 2023 the deal is still pending but NOT for regulatory reasons.
The transaction can be terminated by MS if:
- There is an infringement of the agreement by MS and during the period to resolve that, MS doesn't do anything.
- Before the approval by Activision Blizzard stockholders, ABK receives a better offer and pays MS a $2,270,100,000 termination fee.
If the deal doesn't happen, someone has to pay for it
- There is an infringement of the agreement by ABK and during the period to resolve that, ABK doesn't do anything.
- The Activision Blizzard Board of Directors doesn't recommend the deal anymore.
Activision Blizzard has to pay Microsoft a termination fee of $2,270,100,000 if:
Microsoft has to pay Activision Blizzard a termination fee of:
- MS is still waiting for the ABK stockholders meeting to happen by the termination dates.
- Regulatory conditions were not satisfied and the reason is a breach by ABK.
- ABK infringes the agreement.
- The ABK stockholders reject the deal.
- The Activision Blizzard Board of Directors doesn't recommend the deal anymore.
- ABK receives a better offer.
Reasons for this possible termination fee in favor of ABK:
- $2,000,000,000, if the termination notice is provided prior to January 18th, 2023.
- $2,500,000,000, if the termination notice is provided after January 18th, 2023 and prior to April 18th, 2023.
- $3,000,000,000, if the termination notice is provided after April 18th, 2023.
- A court or a regulator rejects the deal and there is no way to appeal it.
- There is a new law that prohibits this kind of deal.
- MS infringes the agreement.
- Regulatory conditions were not satisfied and the reason is a breach by MS.
From this it sounds like ABK can't even back out and take the $3B when the July deadline rolls around. Sounds like they'll have to extend the date if Microsoft is serious about the appeal.This is on account on idas.
What happens if the deal doesn't get approved?
The merger agreement says that MS and ABK expect the deal to close in 12 months (January 18th 2023) or less. But the agreement also includes two possible extensions of 3 months each one (until April 18th 2023 and the other one until July 18th 2023). That's why MS says that they expect the deal to close in fiscal year 2023.
Those extensions apply automatically if by January 18th 2023 or April 18th 2023 the transaction is still pending regulatory approval.
The transaction can be terminated by MS or ABK if:
The transaction can be terminated by ABK if:
- Both parties agree.
- The Activision Blizzard stockholders reject it (it was already approved, so it's doesn't apply anymore).
- A court or a regulator rejects the deal and there is no way to appeal it.
- There is a new law that prohibits this kind of deal.
- By January 18th 2023 or April 18th 2023 the deal is still pending but NOT for regulatory reasons.
The transaction can be terminated by MS if:
- There is an infringement of the agreement by MS and during the period to resolve that, MS doesn't do anything.
- Before the approval by Activision Blizzard stockholders, ABK receives a better offer and pays MS a $2,270,100,000 termination fee.
If the deal doesn't happen, someone has to pay for it
- There is an infringement of the agreement by ABK and during the period to resolve that, ABK doesn't do anything.
- The Activision Blizzard Board of Directors doesn't recommend the deal anymore.
Activision Blizzard has to pay Microsoft a termination fee of $2,270,100,000 if:
Microsoft has to pay Activision Blizzard a termination fee of:
- MS is still waiting for the ABK stockholders meeting to happen by the termination dates.
- Regulatory conditions were not satisfied and the reason is a breach by ABK.
- ABK infringes the agreement.
- The ABK stockholders reject the deal.
- The Activision Blizzard Board of Directors doesn't recommend the deal anymore.
- ABK receives a better offer.
Reasons for this possible termination fee in favor of ABK:
- $2,000,000,000, if the termination notice is provided prior to January 18th, 2023.
- $2,500,000,000, if the termination notice is provided after January 18th, 2023 and prior to April 18th, 2023.
- $3,000,000,000, if the termination notice is provided after April 18th, 2023.
- A court or a regulator rejects the deal and there is no way to appeal it.
- There is a new law that prohibits this kind of deal.
- MS infringes the agreement.
- Regulatory conditions were not satisfied and the reason is a breach by MS.
Its precisely why neither party wont pull out.It's not an indefinite contract though. And due to the current requirements the deal can't go through unless the CMA approves. A process which takes a lot more than a couple of months.
Neither can back out easily. This is so the other party doesnt betray the deal.From this it sounds like ABK can't even back out and take the $3B when the July deadline rolls around. Sounds like they'll have to extend the date if Microsoft is serious about the appeal.
But maybe I'm reading it wrong or there's incomplete information.
Real question... Not saying that they SHOULD but could they revise/amend the contract removing the importance of the CMA approval? Spencer said in that interview they already had like 9 out of 14 regulatory approvals so it would be funny if the entire deal got squashed because they only ended up with 13/14 approvals (CMA)
The revenue isn't the metric the CMA are concerned with AFAIK, but the ownership and control to have power to foreclose now or later.
xCloud is not a separate service offered by Microsoft. It is merged with Game Pass. So the CMA is under no obligation to dissect it.
Also, according to data that Microsoft itself shared, Game Pass has 25 million subscribers, and over 20 million people have played games through xCloud.
So 80% of Game Pass users use or have used cloud gaming.
it seems those lawyers never miss...I guess the acquisition is going to happen at the end of the day.Did MS really hire a good lawyer to turn things around? Is it Hoeg’s law?
From this it sounds like ABK can't even back out and take the $3B when the July deadline rolls around. Sounds like they'll have to extend the date if Microsoft is serious about the appeal.
But maybe I'm reading it wrong or there's incomplete information.
Isn’t that crazy twitter chick part of ABK or something? A shareholder maybe?if ABK had committed some kind of detrimental conduct that harmed the merger deal.
CMA is still an issue even if they did that. There's a reason why they were one of the ones they needed an approval from. They didn't name Japan as a requirement for example. Its why Microsoft went nuclear over the block.
To be honest, I'm not really sure there, but I'm going to guess probably not, though Microsoft is free to try and take ABK to court to fight them over the $3 billion termination fee, but I'd imagine Kotick and the rest of the ABK board of directors wouldn't just roll over without a fight, and they would probably try and quote some Brad Smith and/or Phil Spencer public comments to prove that none of their ABK employees are primarily responsible for conduct detrimental to the merger deal. Yeah, I could see Satya trying anything he could to avoid flushing $3 billion down the drain, and fight ABK in court at some point later this summer.Isn’t that crazy twitter chick part of ABK or something? A shareholder maybe?
Can her actions be construed as something detrimental?
I genuinely don't think Satya cares. He didn't blink an eye when he flushed $7.6 billion dollars down the drain after deciding to be rid of NOKIA barely a year after he took the helm of Microsoft. $3b is life changing money to me or you, but to a near 2 trillion dollar company they can write that off as a "cost of doing business" line item and investors won't give a shit so long as there's growth in the rest of the company giving them a good return (which there presently is).Yeah, I could see Satya trying anything he could to avoid flushing $3 billion down the drain, and fight ABK in court at some point later this summer.
Reading the official merger agreement submitted to the SEC, it sounds like ABK can still receive the $3 billion fee from Microsoft even if ABK is the one who invoked the right to terminate the merger agreement:
Now, maybe someone else can look at this from a better informed background than myself, but I am not seeing anything there that specifically states that ABK is mandated to continue the merger agreement with Microsoft past the July 18th deadline, and that if ABK wants to terminate the agreement after July 18th, then Microsoft can only collect the termination fee from ABK if ABK had committed some kind of detrimental conduct that harmed the merger deal. So yeah, now I think I can understand why Brad Smith has been going crazy over the last week or so, because Bobby Kotick knows full well that $3 billion is all ABK if they want it come July 18th and the merger still hasn't been completed by then.
Isn’t that crazy twitter chick part of ABK or something? A shareholder maybe?
Can her actions be construed as something detrimental?
That would be fun to watch. MS and ABK going after each other for things they have said that might have sidelined the acquisition. Sogn me up to watch that drama unfold.Isn’t that crazy twitter chick part of ABK or something? A shareholder maybe?
Can her actions be construed as something detrimental?
I think Satya certainly does care about that $3 billion fee if it does indeed get paid to ABK, keep in mind that's more than what Microsoft paid for in the Minecraft acquisition ($2.5 billion), and almost half of the entire Zenimax acquisition as well. Heck, even the Sony deal to acquire Bungie is just slightly more than this termination fee, for which Sony's deal was about $3.6 billion.I genuinely don't think Satya cares. He didn't blink an eye when he flushed $7.6 billion dollars down the drain after deciding to be rid of NOKIA barely a year after he took the helm of Microsoft. $3b is life changing money to me or you, but to a near 2 trillion dollar company they can write that off as a "cost of doing business" line item and investors won't give a shit so long as there's growth in the rest of the company giving them a good return (which there presently is).
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Yes, Ballmer was responsible for that merger. Nadella is on record that he was one of the few votes against it. But it was Nadella who decided to write off the entire acquisition at a $7.6b loss a year after becoming CEO. Nadella established himself in the CEO role then shit canned the deal which he considered a failed venture from the very beginning -- and he didn't blink an eye that it would cost Microsoft billions and a temporary stock hit.Also, I'm pretty sure the Nokia deal had already been announced prior to Satya taking over the CEO position in Microsoft from Steve Ballmer back in February 2014, so there was probably little that Satya could do to back out of the Nokia deal by the time he became CEO.
Honestly, that does not matter.I've used cloud like 4 times for a total of maybe 2 hours of gameplay. I suspect a huge portion of that 25 million number is similar.
They may not have any "obligation" to dissect it but it makes thier decision making look rediculous.
Put it to you this way, what if only a million out of that group use cloud gaming regularly?