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Massive FTC Leak: Mid Gen Xbox Hardware, Series S/X Refreshes, New Controller, and Game Plans!

I'm getting Amazon Echo vibes.🤔

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It's just another option then. I'll be buying a Switch 2 next year anyway so the last thing I'd want to spend money on is another Xbox.

I honestly recall people asking for a digital Series X in a lot of the Series S discussion threads on here. I think they wanted it for $400, but looks like they're increasing memory and the controller instead.
With the way inflation has gone and the blow-up in GPU pricing around next gen launch, $499 seems like the right price now considering the upgrades. Sucks, but it's not unfair. I fully expect a mid-gen refresh to cost $699 if they changed their mind and started heading down that route (this info seems to be 16 months old or so).
 
To me this news is shit. Honestly, both Sony and MS are becoming shit companies beyond belief. I usually don't mind routing for the underdog. But MS wanting to kill the physical games like that is shit to me. The fact this is a mid gen refresh kinda tells me they will stop making the original Xbox series X and this will be it's placement.
At this point, there is no need for any store to carry any Xbox games then.

I do like Game Pass but I am not subbing every month. Some games I like to buy and keep so I can play them anytime I want without having to pay MS monthly to play them. Especially games like Forza Horizon and soon Call of duty.

Them killing the physical is a no go for me especially for consoles.

You start to route for Sony but then they are shit with their shitty management which I hate ever since zombie Jim took charge. Releasing useless hardware like the portal or psvr2 with its awesome tech and no games for months instead of focusing on their first-party games or even a truly portable system to compete with the Switch 2. Or the 100 Canadian for a yearly plus just to play online.

Honestly, sometimes I feel like just going PC and Nintendo only. Just fuck these 2 companies really. They are so anti-consumer that it's becoming a joke to even support them.
 
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They already have a model to replace the Series S. The Series X?

Edith = Series S
Starkville = Series X

"Starkville EOL ahead of Brookline Launch"
"Last chance Edith 512GB @$199 as Black Friday offer before EOL"

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This is their plans.

It is what it is.

What is then "UTHER" Series X In XDL?

And "IGRAINE" Controller in XDL??

These are not in the FY 2024 New refresh? It seems that MS has planned to launch other "premium" models of console and controller?
 
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Honestly sometimes I feel like just going PC and Nintendo only. Just fuck these 2 companies really. They are so anti consumer it's becoming a joke to even support them.
Nintendo actually went further than anyone else. Everything on Nintendo Switch Online is exclusive to the sub and unavailable for purchase. Just a thought.
 
If the tech isn't the same, what was the point of bring it up in the first place?
Are you implying that the DualSense haptic feedback tech was built in a vacuum? It's simply the most up-to-date and sophisticated version of various other controller rumble features in one package.
 
To me this news is shit. Honestly both Sony and MS are becoming shit companies beyond belief. I usually don't mind routing for the underdog. But MS wanting to kill the physical games like that is shit to me. The fact this is a mid gen refresh kinda tells me they will stop making the original Xbox series X and this will be it's placement.
At this point there is no need for any to carry any Xbox games then.

I do like game pass but I am not subbing every month. Some games I like to buy and keep so I can play anytime I want without having to pay MS monthly to play them. Especially games like Forza horizon and soon call of duty.

Them killing the physical is a no go for me especially for consoles.

You start to route for Sony but then they are shit with their shitty management which I hate ever since zombie Jim took charge. Releasing useless hardware like the portal or psvr2 with it's awesome tech and no games for months instead of focusing on their first party games or even a true portable system to compete with the switch 2. Or the 100$ Canadian for a yearly plus just to play online.

Honestly sometimes I feel like just going PC and Nintendo only. Just fuck these 2 companies really. They are so anti consumer it's becoming a joke to even support them.
Digital downloads are exceeding the limits of physical media, so this move makes sense

I don't like it, but it's inevitably where we're heading.
 
The day there is no option for physical media I will jump exclusively to PC, and they won't see a cent of my money
 
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Its DOA launching in the same window as the PS5 Pro

But like I said in another thread get ready for the whole "Get a PC to compete with the PS5 Pro" campaign

The question is, will the average consumer know that the PS5 Pro is an actual upgrade and the new XBox S/X is just a refresh? or will there be a bunch of uninformed consumers buying the XBox for their kids' Christmas present thinking that's the next-gen XBox?
 
What is then "UTHER" Series X In XDL?

And "IGRAINE" Controller in XDL??

These are not in the FY 2024 New refresh? It seems that MS has planned to launch other "premium" models of console and controller?
Good question, lol.
 
What is then "UTHER" Series X In XDL?

And "IGRAINE" Controller in XDL??

These are not in the FY 2024 New refresh? It seems that MS has planned to launch other "premium" models of console and controller?


Isn't XDL just custom (personalized) variants of the same hardware?

 
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What is then "UTHER" Series X In XDL?

And "IGRAINE" Controller in XDL??

These are not in the FY 2024 New refresh? It seems that MS has planned to launch other "premium" models of console and controller?

I already mentioned it but it's easy to get lost in these multitudes of posts. :D

UTHER is the new Xbox Series X which you can presumably colourize yourself in the Xbox Design Lab. But it's not received the green light from Microsoft bigwigs yet, it's just a hope.

IGRAINE will either be a new Elite controller or an XDL version of the Sebile controller. Again, not greenlit yet.
 
I already mentioned it but it's easy to get lost in these multitudes of posts. :D

UTHER is the new Xbox Series X which you can presumably colourize yourself in the Xbox Design Lab. But it's not received the green light from Microsoft bigwigs yet, it's just a hope.

IGRAINE will either be a new Elite controller or an XDL version of the Sebile controller. Again, not greenlit yet.
It makes perfect sense.
 
What is then "UTHER" Series X In XDL?

And "IGRAINE" Controller in XDL??

These are not in the FY 2024 New refresh? It seems that MS has planned to launch other "premium" models of console and controller?

XDL is Xbox Design Lab, you will be able to customise your controller and console this time.
 
No physical will be their DOA. We know the sale ratio for PS5 physical vs digital despite the cost advantage. Besides, you can't sell a 499 mid gen refresh without a power advantage. Whoever made this descisions is an absolute idiot.

Are they trying to kill Xbox?
 
It has caught my attention that no one has commented on that detail when it seems that they would be "special" or premium models (in XDL) of console and control but do not appear on the rroadmap along with the others ...
Even still, no change in teraflops?

Nevermind, I see it was posted... I guess XDL is Xbox Design Lab.

I already mentioned it but it's easy to get lost in these multitudes of posts. :D

UTHER is the new Xbox Series X which you can presumably colourize yourself in the Xbox Design Lab. But it's not received the green light from Microsoft bigwigs yet, it's just a hope.

IGRAINE will either be a new Elite controller or an XDL version of the Sebile controller. Again, not greenlit yet.

Thanks for this.
 
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Are you implying that the DualSense haptic feedback tech was built in a vacuum? It's simply the most up-to-date and sophisticated version of various other controller rumble features in one package.
No shit Sherlock, nothing is made in a vacuum, but you sir, are implying the haptics in the Dualsense specifcly has been done before, which is false.

Why are you implying a lie?
 
am i reading these specs right, that the "pro" series x won't even be any faster? says 12 TF.
That would be correct.

Just go back in time when refreshes were mostly:

more storage
better wifi
changing/adding ports

Its the PS3, 360 days all over again.

Hey, that's what some ppl wanted. Some actually hate the idea of Pro consoles with better specs.
 
This is horrible. A new Series X without a disc drive for $100 less along with the old model would have been great, but what the hell is this? The same price without a major feature? I don't care about their environmentalism, either. That's not an upgrade for me in any way.
 
Won't change anything..

The "pro" will be a completely different price point anyway. The more important part will be the price of the regular PS5.

Pro will be $599 max, but I can see a digital only launching for $499. At that point, refreshed XSX looks like a terrible proposition.
 
GYRO in the controller finally! I hope it's customizeable on a system/game level like how Steam does it but if not, hopefully Steam will let you use the gyro how you want to if it's supported by Steam the new gyro supported controllers
 
I can probably count on one hand the amount of times a disk has been in my Series X...

What kind of masochist is using disks these days..?
Psychotic behavior.

You people would have wanted the ipad to be a portable dvd player.
 
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Sony are offering a plugin drive, they're only a short step behind dropping discs and think how many games will be on disc when the plug in drive is the only option, just a handful of limited runs, some probably not even if your region.

With most downloading games now, it seems people aren't being honest with themselves now the end is near. How do you expect it to survive if you don't buy physical? It will be niche and then gone. Stores are drying up with games and moving them to a little corner.

I get it's sad that physical is ending, I wish it wasn't myself as it's cheaper and offers resale value. I struggle to fathom how people are ready to pay for these digital downloads at full price from MS/Sony but they do.

Consumers have chosen this while discs have been on the systems and physical games available, convenience and less clutter has won.
 
GYRO in the controller finally! I hope it's customizeable on a system/game level like how Steam does it but if not, hopefully Steam will let you use the gyro how you want to if it's supported by Steam the new gyro supported controllers
If it's actually done well and I can easily use it, it's going to dramatically impact my enjoyment with the system. It's literally the #1 thing I've been asking for.
 
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