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[kikii]

yaa posting ps3 era MoH game as spiderman screenshot is very sad, and no i dont like spider at all ^^

 

[thismeinteil]

What's with this forums childish obsession with accusing people of telling lies so often, especially when its based on subjective experience or agenda?

Why are you lying about that?

 

[Deleted member 848825]

So finally played Forza now on XSX, solely in its performance mode. I've also done a 7hr sesh on GT7 a couple of days ago. And just now did another 30min sesh too. All of this is done in cockpit cam for both. Its the only way I play. I did not compare track to track, but more just played several tracks of both to get an overall impression. I did keep to the same car all the time on both - just a Ford Mustang. All personal opinion of course.

In no particular order:

• Forza trackside detail looks a little more realistic to me, with more detail
• Forza has a great FOV slider which allows more cockpit view adjustment
• In cockpit view of the cockpit itself looked pretty much identical to me detail wise
• Other opponent car detail looked a bit better on GT7
• The lighting in GT7 with HDR enabled is much better and far more consistent than Forza. To the point where it actually made me wonder if FM7 looks better than FM8. The HDR looks excellent at times on FM8, but theres an aoccasional wash out look under certain conditions.
• GT7 has a contrast depth to the HDR which just seems absent on FM8
• The lighting coming off opponent cars is frequently very lacking on Forza to the point that the paint looks simply wrong and artificial at times - much better on GT7.

As an overall visual package I think GT7 is better. But I think FM8 looks great too, just not all the time and it seems to be a lot less consistent. The lighting and HDR isnt quite right with FM8, sometimes looking good, sometimes looking off and only occasionally looking brilliant. Where as with GT7 I find it looks very good to superb all the time. I genuinely wondered at times if FM7 occasionally might look better than FM8, if it had a better AA technique applied. But thats no major insult to FM8, as I always thought FM7 looked excellent.

Probably one for the other OT - but testing FM8 had it crash me to the dashboard within the first 20 minutes of playing! Its clearly launched with some rough edges. Perhaps some of the lighting etc will improve over time.

 

[DJ12]

Reading comprehension. Judge the game on what it looks like, not how it achieved it. If you still don't understand what I mean then I give up.

He compared pc on ultra settings to gt7, it's a lost cause.

 

[JayDucker]

So finally played Forza now on XSX, solely in its performance mode. I've also done a 7hr sesh on GT7 a couple of days ago. And just now did another 30min sesh too. All of this is done in cockpit cam for both. Its the only way I play. I did not compare track to track, but more just played several tracks of both to get an overall impression. I did keep to the same car all the time on both - just a Ford Mustang. All personal opinion of course.

I was just doing the same for some reason, dunno why because both games are great, but some of the comparisons here were not lining up with my reality. They must be PC vs PS4 screenshots or something because to me a lot of the time it does not look that great tbh.

Heres a screen from each at the Glen from XSX at perf RT 60fps vs PS5 at perf 60fps

XSX vs PS5, graphically, GT wins 90 percent of my time so far.

With that said, I am really enjoying Forza.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

I was just doing the same for some reason, dunno why because both games are great, but some of the comparisons here were not lining up with my reality. They must be PC vs PS4 screenshots or something because to me a lot of the time it does not look that great tbh.

Heres a screen from each at the Glen from XSX at perf RT 60fps vs PS5 at perf 60fps

XSX vs PS5, graphically, GT wins 90 percent of my time so far.

With that said, I am really enjoying Forza.

See that perfectly illustrates some of the lack of depth with the lighting in Forza at the moment. Yet sometimes the peak highlights at night and blinding low sun on another occasion in Forza looked great, but it just never seems to have that extra depth/mood to the lighting that GT7 has. very weird tbh.

I very much enjoyed the handling and physics in FM8. Wont be playing too much more at this time though - my T-GT II wheel is PS5 focused only, unfortunately.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Jokes aside, don't do that in real life, the friction will break it apart.

You all know what I'm talking about

That's why you never use a cheese grater as a sex toy.

 

[Insane Metal]

I was just doing the same for some reason, dunno why because both games are great, but some of the comparisons here were not lining up with my reality. They must be PC vs PS4 screenshots or something because to me a lot of the time it does not look that great tbh.

Heres a screen from each at the Glen from XSX at perf RT 60fps vs PS5 at perf 60fps

XSX vs PS5, graphically, GT wins 90 percent of my time so far.

With that said, I am really enjoying Forza.

Interesting how the grass only shows up until like 5 feet from the screen in Forza while in GT it goes all the way to the end of the curve. Lighting looks really bad there and the trees look like crap too in Forza. It seems it's highly inconsistent.

 

[sendit]

I want to see a GT7 PC release with VR support. I find it laughable that people here are comparing Forza running on a 4090 to a PS5 running GT7, and Forza still fails to have a clear cut victory.

 

[Unknown?]

I was just doing the same for some reason, dunno why because both games are great, but some of the comparisons here were not lining up with my reality. They must be PC vs PS4 screenshots or something because to me a lot of the time it does not look that great tbh.

Heres a screen from each at the Glen from XSX at perf RT 60fps vs PS5 at perf 60fps

XSX vs PS5, graphically, GT wins 90 percent of my time so far.

With that said, I am really enjoying Forza.

GT looks way better there but it is different times of day.

 

[sendit]

I was just doing the same for some reason, dunno why because both games are great, but some of the comparisons here were not lining up with my reality. They must be PC vs PS4 screenshots or something because to me a lot of the time it does not look that great tbh.

Heres a screen from each at the Glen from XSX at perf RT 60fps vs PS5 at perf 60fps

XSX vs PS5, graphically, GT wins 90 percent of my time so far.

With that said, I am really enjoying Forza.

If GT7 didn't exist, Forza models would be fine. However, I can't get over how inaccurate/less detailed they look in comparison.

 

[blue velvet]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

 

[Insane Metal]

^GT7.

 

[sendit]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

Why did T10 add a imaginary crack?

 

[Unknown?]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

GT has always been on the cutting edge of accuracy.

 

[Three]

@SlimySnake Outdated tracks

FM7

ACC

Iracing

2023

2019

They've updated trackside detail on a couple of courses. I think they did the same for Leguna Seca.

Not having 2023 tracks is fine but places like Spa have inaccuracies that don't match the track in any year and have the same inaccuracies as past Forzas which shows that they haven't been built from the ground up. much like the cars in the game they're a mixture of old Forza models and some new. Some date back to FM4, modelling/shape inaccuracies and all.

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

In FM2023 the official has to bring his own ladder.

 

[Musilla]

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I was just doing the same for some reason, dunno why because both games are great, but some of the comparisons here were not lining up with my reality. They must be PC vs PS4 screenshots or something because to me a lot of the time it does not look that great tbh.

Heres a screen from each at the Glen from XSX at perf RT 60fps vs PS5 at perf 60fps

XSX vs PS5, graphically, GT wins 90 percent of my time so far.

With that said, I am really enjoying Forza.

This is pretty accurate, honestly.

I've played for 3 hours on my rig (3080/2k) and while I was elevated by the gameplay itself (best physics in series since forever), visuals are a huge letdown tbh. Yeah, there's more tech under the hood, but FM lacks both visual consistency and truly unified approach in it's artistic representation. There are spots of some neat visuals at moments, but GT7 is simply way more consistent every second. It's good constantly. With everything: cockpits, car models, colors, gamma, shading, insane PBR, really terrific RT-paint shaders (though in replays only) and methods to reproduce some things (like tarmac) maybe less 'cool' but much more believable.

They should've hyped the actual star of the show: racing. Because this is the first FM since 4 where I really enjoy driving and battling for positions. But visuals felt a lot like it's an Xbox One era game with a fan RTX shader sprinkled here and there. Or like it's a very custom RTX-build of a heavily modded Asseto Corsa. It's a mishmash of old and new assets with more raw tech than artistical cunning.

If you want really neat RTX-enabled cars, go for Cyberpunk 2077. Not even kidding.

 

[DJ12]

As I said earlier, GT7 could probably run it's more advanced RT at 1440p without ever dropping below 60fps. I recorded this from the TV from 120hz mode raytracing/graphics mode.

I don't know why it looks so saturated, the original video doesn't.

 

[TrebleShot]

Usually after the first or second lap in GT7 there's a clear racing line in the tarmac where the other cars have been following the line and it's really useful to help guide you the rough corners and straights.

It was very jarring to go from that to the pristine tarmac on FM.

 

[Kawaci]

Also GT7 in photomode enhances the foliage (even adds foliage), lighting (the samples are higher), shadows, reflections (adds rt reflections on cars and environment), car models, draw distance and ao. Those are probably the best looking 2d trees ever btw, but its not better than Forza's trees (while they are also not perfect and have been downgraded).

In this image, there are some more bushes in photo mode, while the shadows of the trees are blurred, along with the fact that the car no longer has a shadow over it. And you haven't proven that texture quality, lighting, render distance and action are improved in photo mode. I suggest you compare it with a real-life track, to see if the vegetation has changed.

 

[GHG]

Usually after the first or second lap in GT7 there's a clear racing line in the tarmac where the other cars have been following the line and it's really useful to help guide you the rough corners and straights.

It was very jarring to go from that to the pristine tarmac on FM.

Yeh tracks rubbering in is pretty much a staple of every track racer that wants to be taken seriously these days, at least since the first project cars game.

 

[Turk1993]

As I said earlier, GT7 could probably run it's more advanced RT at 1440p without ever dropping below 60fps. I recorded this from the TV from 120hz mode raytracing/graphics mode.

I don't know why it looks so saturated, the original video doesn't.

Its not more advanced RT during real time moments, only in photomode and scape mode you get the high quality RT. The replay and garage RT is far lower quality and resolution than the photomode RT because its running in real time. Its also very noisy in motion (forza has the same problem). Its not better than Forza's real time RT, if not worse because Forza has RT even for the interiors in real time which lacks in GT7 replays. Also glass surfaces have RT reflections also which is also missing in GT7, even in photomode. They just need to release the game on pc so that we can run it in photomode quality in real time.

In this image, there are some more bushes in photo mode, while the shadows of the trees are blurred, along with the fact that the car no longer has a shadow over it. And you haven't proven that texture quality, lighting, render distance and action are improved in photo mode. I suggest you compare it with a real-life track, to see if the vegetation has changed.

Some bushes? The best looking foliage comes in photomode left and right. And the trees have sharper textures if you zoom in. The shadows are not blurred, its literally accurate long distance shadows that get softer the longer they are.

Here you can see the enhanced lighting. Just look at the entry of the tunnel, in game it has less light samples and the overall lighting is much better in photomode. Everything is accuratly lit and has ao which is lacking in game, just look at the lights.

Here you can see the draw distance (look at the left building and blue seats in front), car model (the whole lod changes), better shadows (softer more accurate shadows for the trees), more grass and sharper foliage and trees.

Here you can clearly see the sharper trees and added grass

Even going in replay and hitting photomode show the improvements it does.

 

[demigod]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP!!!

 

[Kawaci]

Its not more advanced RT during real time moments, only in photomode and scape mode you get the high quality RT. The replay and garage RT is far lower quality and resolution than the photomode RT because its running in real time. Its also very noisy in motion (forza has the same problem). Its not better than Forza's real time RT, if not worse because Forza has RT even for the interiors in real time which lacks in GT7 replays. Also glass surfaces have RT reflections also which is also missing in GT7, even in photomode. They just need to release the game on pc so that we can run it in photomode quality in real time.


Some bushes? The best looking foliage comes in photomode left and right. And the trees have sharper textures if you zoom in. The shadows are not blurred, its literally accurate long distance shadows that get softer the longer they are.

Here you can see the enhanced lighting. Just look at the entry of the tunnel, in game it has less light samples and the overall lighting is much better in photomode. Everything is accuratly lit and has ao which is lacking in game, just look at the lights.

Here you can see the draw distance (look at the left building and blue seats in front), car model (the whole lod changes), better shadows (softer more accurate shadows for the trees), more grass and sharper foliage and trees.

Here you can clearly see the sharper trees and added grass

Even going in replay and hitting photomode show the improvements it does.

As I said, the shadows of the trees were blurred in photo mode, while in gameplay they were clear. And the other images don't help, an almost non-existent difference, if there is a difference it is due to the implementation of Ray Tracing or extra vegetation on some tracks. It's funny that in some photos the buildings in the distance lose their details in photo mode, shouldn't it be the opposite?

 

[Kawaci]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

https://x.com/emula86/status/1711839966978806236?s=20

 

[Neo_game]

It depends when the track was scanned but yeah I doubt the trees type change over time. In Le mans as well I think Forza trees seems different to real life. It is as if the artistic does not like the way it looks in real life and decided to change it

 

[Turk1993]

As I said, the shadows of the trees were blurred in photo mode, while in gameplay they were clear.

You don't know nothing about graphics do you?

And the other images don't help, an almost non-existent difference, if there is a difference it is due to the implementation of Ray Tracing or extra vegetation on some tracks. It's funny that in some photos the buildings in the distance lose their details in photo mode, shouldn't it be the opposite?

The photo's on the left are photomode which shows clearly more detailed buildings, foliage, draw distance, more grass and improved lod.

https://x.com/emula86/status/1711839966978806236?s=20

So you are one of them lol. ok now it makes sense why you didn't see the differences and play it off.

 

[Turk1993]

It depends when the track was scanned but yeah I doubt the trees type change over time. In Le mans as well I think Forza trees seems different to real life. It is as if the artistic does not like the way it looks in real life and decided to change it

Yeah PD was always more accurate with stuff like this, they really care about details like that.

 

[Kawaci]

Não sabes nada sobre gráficos, pois não?

As fotos à esquerda são fotomodo que mostra claramente edifícios mais detalhados, folhagem, distância de desenho, mais grama e lod melhorado.

Então você é um deles lol. ok agora faz sentido por que você não viu as diferenças e jogar fora.

Yes I know a few things about graphics. As I said, the difference is minimal due to the advanced lighting techniques in photo mode. And from what I know, GT7 is graphically impaired in a specific mode of the game, where it stops showing the audience and other elements. What? something wrong with the comparison? something wrong with X user @emula86? because it wasn't difficult to find the owner of these images

 

[MDSLKTR]

Is this really what we get for RT on track? Switched to quality to be sure and wtf is that

 

[sendit]

Is this really what we get for RT on track? Switched to quality to be sure and wtf is that

Yep. More bugs than a Bethesda game. Anyone defending this game needs a reality check.

 

[Three]

---

Is this really what we get for RT on track? Switched to quality to be sure and wtf is that

If this were a car

 

[Turk1993]

Is this really what we get for RT on track? Switched to quality to be sure and wtf is that

Yeah its a bug, happens even on pc maxed out. Fucking hell how did they not test shit like this after all the RT this RT that pr talk. They have some fucking nerves to go on DF talking about RT on track the whole time. The worst part is they knew from the start that it was fucked like this because all there Series X gameplay footage before release and previews where without RT.

 

[Turk1993]

something wrong with X user @emula86? because it wasn't difficult to find the owner of these images

Just check his post history thats all im gonna say .

 

[nick776]

Forget the comparisons to GT7, I think FM7 looks better than FM8. What was Turn 10 thinking here?

 

[nick776]

Forget the comparisons to GT7, I think FM7 looks better than FM8. What was Turn 10 thinking here?

I should elaborate more, my issues with how FM8 looks have to do with the "washed out" appearance. I am aware of the bug, so that is not what I am referring to. There seems to be an odd contrast issue with FM8 that seems to have been intentionally implemented for whatever reason. That is why GT7 seems to "pop" more image wise.

 

[sendit]

Ray tracing, built from the ground up (reflection of white car completely missing):

It's hard to make this game look good in photomode. It really only looks decent while it's raining at night, hiding even more of the little details:

 

[Inviusx]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

Great comparison. Nice job.

 

[Sebmugi]

Is this really what we get for RT on track? Switched to quality to be sure and wtf is that

the RT is bad on the reflections of other cars and on the environment but it is not so bad on the cars themselves.. ^^

XSX/Photomode

 

[DJ12]

Its not more advanced RT during real time moments, only in photomode and scape mode you get the high quality RT. The replay and garage RT is far lower quality and resolution than the photomode RT because its running in real time. Its also very noisy in motion (forza has the same problem). Its not better than Forza's real time RT, if not worse because Forza has RT even for the interiors in real time which lacks in GT7 replays. Also glass surfaces have RT reflections also which is also missing in GT7, even in photomode. They just need to release the game on pc so that we can run it in photomode quality in real time.


Some bushes? The best looking foliage comes in photomode left and right. And the trees have sharper textures if you zoom in. The shadows are not blurred, its literally accurate long distance shadows that get softer the longer they are.

Here you can see the enhanced lighting. Just look at the entry of the tunnel, in game it has less light samples and the overall lighting is much better in photomode. Everything is accuratly lit and has ao which is lacking in game, just look at the lights.

Here you can see the draw distance (look at the left building and blue seats in front), car model (the whole lod changes), better shadows (softer more accurate shadows for the trees), more grass and sharper foliage and trees.

Here you can clearly see the sharper trees and added grass

Even going in replay and hitting photomode show the improvements it does.

Just going by what John said from DF.

 

[Snake29]

FM 2023

Real Life

GT7

So people were constantly using low effert PS4 shots with PC version? Which even the PC version can't really match the GT7 environment details in most shots.

It's why i said that Forza doesn't look consistent in general compared to GT7.

 

[freefornow]

May I introduce you to our lord and savior Driveclub ?! (my vid and shots)


How in the world, does games now not look as god as it's photo mode ?!

Concessions were made in lots of areas (cough-framerate). Dem roadside textures

 

[rofif]

Concessions were made in lots of areas (cough-framerate). Dem roadside textures

Still better than forza and gt7 lol.

 

[Neo 007]

How...In God's name,do the Dev's NOT recognise how inaccurate most of the car models in this game/series are???
WTF guys......???

 

[Negotiator101]

How...In God's name,do the Dev's NOT recognise how inaccurate most of the car models in this game/series are???
WTF guys......???

Some examples may help mate?

 

[Elysium44]

Some examples may help mate?

You've never seen any of the multitude of examples posted before?

 

[djjinx2]

You've never seen any of the multitude of examples posted before?

I have been in every Forza thread and I haven't, please feel free to post pics of Forza vs real life thanks in advance

 

[sinnergy]

Still better than forza and gt7 lol.

At 30 frames … but that is no problem , right? GT and Forza are authored for 60 frames per second.

 

[rofif]

At 30 frames … but that is no problem , right? GT and Forza are authored for 60 frames per second.

We are not talking about frames. although DC plays good at 30fps
I am comparing photomode of driveclub to next gen racing games.
I would expect them to look at least as good or better