Microsoft Closes Redfall Developer Arkane Austin, HiFi Rush Developer Tango Gameworks, and More in Devastating Cuts at Bethesda
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solidus12
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Last man standing. He's like those Japanese soldiers who thought they were still fighting years after WWII had ended.
Unknown Soldier
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Finally, Microsoft will win something at TGA!
nial
Member
He's feeling the burn today!
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Majukun
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You talk like they are not receiving backlash now after closing a bunch of beloved studio, allegedly to keep alive something that they do know does not work and is a money sink... Just to make changes anyway down the line, unless you think that ms would keep alive a cancerous part of their business model just because of 'backlash'
Regardless if you are selling subscriptions or consoles, you need good exclusive games, and from what we seen so far, MS studios have missed the mark multiple times... Even if they ditched gp and go back to the Playstation formula, who is gonna buy a console for redfall?
ChorizoPicozo
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well, I mean. If the decision was already made, holding to it (for PR purposes ) it's kind of cruel for the devs.
the reality of the situation is that making this announcement after these things:
1. HB2's critical reception/quality of the game
2. and the content of the showcase.
It would have the same result, and even worse, due to proximity bias. MS has a lot of games that have been in dev hell/MIA. Fear would be present no matter what.
Plague Doctor
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Maybe Phil should have taken all that money and instead of buying new studios like a drunken sailor on shore leave and shit, he should have invested and built up the studios he had first. Hindsight is a bitch, ain't it?
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Man, I'm glad SEGA rejected MS. Can you imagine the shit we'd be in if MS bought SEGA? I can't believe clueless people were actually cheering for that.
fart town usa
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Completely agree. I would love to see Western AAA go bankrupt. These clowns are a drag on the entire industry.
Plague Doctor
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Amen. New studios from the AA and indie space will rise. Many of them are thriving now. Additionally, there is the rest of the world. They have their own unique problems but I am more than willing to roll the dice.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Let me get this straight... you want to punish all western studios and publishers because MS and Xbox is shit?!
WTF kind of logic or rationale is this?!?
I don't even.... I can't....
diffusionx
Gold Member
I think the future of MS is a software company with ALL their games being gaas and it all being under GamePass. Like, COD, Sea of Thieves, Blizzshit, Age of Empires, Halo, Forza, Gears, everything. And all the stuff that is not that - like stuff like Hellblade 2, Avowed, Indy, Fable - will just not be released by them anymore, they'll shut down those studios too. They don't want to spend money on these games and see them disappear like Shartfield making no impact. Too much of a risk.
I could be wrong of course. I probably am wrong. But that seems to be the way the wind is blowing.
I could be wrong of course. I probably am wrong. But that seems to be the way the wind is blowing.
Nydius
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And you seem to forget that people (especially the media) have the memory of a gnat. They will weather the blowback over closing studios easier than they would deal with making major changes to Game Pass. The media will stop talking about Arkane and Tango by the end of the week; Major changes to Game Pass would be headline bait for weeks, maybe longer.
To add to this: To an observer closing studios sucks but they can rationalize it away but making a change that directly impacts their wallet? That becomes a big issue whether or not it's justified.
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nial
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Take an actual look at the page, there are like less than 100 people from the actual development staff credited. Everything else is localization, QA services, legal staff and stuff like that.Here's the credits for Hi Fi Rush...
Hi-Fi Rush credits (Windows, 2023) - MobyGames
The official game credits for Hi-Fi Rush released on Windows in 2023. The credits include 1,502 people.www.mobygames.com
Doesn't look like a cheap indie game to me. Again, 3 million players (on GamePass no less) with a laughable completion rate is a Suicide Squad level bomb. We didn't want to act like it because some of us enjoyed the game.
THE DUCK
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How do you know the exact same issue wasn't happening with Tango's next game?
Perrott
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Four games and two PC ports, and we're only in May.
nial
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Moving the goalposts, I see. Hi-Fi Rush launched less than 1.5 years ago, why was MS in a (hi-fi) rush to close them in any case, then?
Red Crayon Aristocrat
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Let's not forget part of why this is happening, the industry backed the wrong side in the Woke vs unWoke divide, Woke gamers don't buy games as much as nonWoke gamers, real gamers don't like that shit, it makes people check out.
Starfield could have been a bigger hit if it hadn't been for the ugly NPCs you take one look and it leaves your wallet closed, in the case of Tango, Ghostwire was sunk by some dipshit translating a line as "all property is theft"
Kick the Woke douches OUT of this industry or face more closures and money lost, gamers don't like that shit, don't want these people here, this is not your audience.
Starfield could have been a bigger hit if it hadn't been for the ugly NPCs you take one look and it leaves your wallet closed, in the case of Tango, Ghostwire was sunk by some dipshit translating a line as "all property is theft"
Kick the Woke douches OUT of this industry or face more closures and money lost, gamers don't like that shit, don't want these people here, this is not your audience.
Twinblade
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Microsoft will probably take games like Hi-Fi Rush, The evil within, to different developers.
FunkMiller
Banned
They will likely try all of those things.
And then Microsoft will leave the gaming industry.
The writing is most definitely on the wall.
Lol what the fuck is this shit.
Starfield fucking sucks man, you could replace all the NPCs with Stellar Blade skins and the game would still be dogshit.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Everything goes into a games budget.
I have a bridge to sell you if you think Hi Fi Rush was deemed anywhere close to being a commercial success. It clearly flopped.
Lord Malachite
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B-but I was told that allowing Xbox to buy out massive swaths of the industry was going to make gaming better for everyone and guarantee more innovation, better titles, and better career opportunities for everyone in these companies! Gaming Utopia only possible with Xbox!
Perrott
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World's Edge sucks. The most recent Age of Empires expansions have game-breaking bugs still unresolved years after launch, which is totally unacceptable.
nial
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Not by any relevant amount.
Oh, I don't deny that. I blame Microsoft's shitty business strategy and that stupid shadow drop without any marketing behind, though.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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F0rneus
Tears in the rain
FUCK
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Arkane Austin Was Working on a Big Redfall Update for May Before Microsoft Ditched the Game and Closed the Studio - IGN
The now abandoned Redfall had a roadmap of support that was being actively worked on before Microsoft scrapped all development and closed its developer, IGN can reveal.
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The_Observer
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There is hard to find a corpo that doesn't suck, but MS must be one of the ones with the largest throat
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Why would money spent contracting out not be considered relevant? Dave Ramsey ah you are not.
That was partially true. The other aspect everyone pretends to ignore is that Tango Gameworks was built to make dinosaur games. We're in the Live Service or big AAA IP era. It was only a matter of time before the asteroid hit.
Moriarty1889
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Great job Phil……..what a bloody joke and utter moron. He has run the brand into the ground and has also made them the laughing stock of the industry.
bender
What time is it?
Sounds like a failure of how the game was marketed and how it was released. I wonder who was responsible for that.
fart town usa
Banned
Western AAA is largely shit and the industry would be better off if they all went under.Let me get this straight... you want to punish all western studios and publishers because MS and Xbox is shit?!
WTF kind of logic or rationale is this?!?
I don't even.... I can't....
Punished Miku
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What the fuckFUCK
Arkane Austin Was Working on a Big Redfall Update for May Before Microsoft Ditched the Game and Closed the Studio - IGN
The now abandoned Redfall had a roadmap of support that was being actively worked on before Microsoft scrapped all development and closed its developer, IGN can reveal.
nial
Member
If we're going this way, no major publisher can ever release a small AA game by your standards.
StereoVsn
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That game just doesn't seem particularly posed for success. I hope I am wrong.They gotta survice Avowed first.
Tango is such a shame. All their games were pretty solid and didn't seem they bombed so it's a very weird and crap move on MS part.
If Sony was quick on the draw they could pick up devs and have an excellent dev team ready to go.
Woopah
Member
Because Tango isn't a independent studio.
This has nothing to do with woke. Not everything is about a culture war.
semiconscious
Member
y'know, I'm as anti-woke as the next guy, but this? this's one helluva stretch, son...
bender
What time is it?
We need a quantum leap reaction.
Hero of Spielberg
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I don't see them cranking out the sort of games Sony want to release. Obviously they don't sell well enough to justify budgets
Little Chicken
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Yeah, the powerhouse of development that is SEGA in 2024!
