ChorizoPicozo
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If people were honest, a lot of bullshit conversations and back-and-forth 'debates' wouldn't even happenYou're not supposed to say the quiet part of 'I won't count it when it breaks records' out loud
Avowed officially delayed to February 18, 2025
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Varteras
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This is exactly why I just let everyone here know I have a tiny penis. No doubts. No misinformation or lies. It's out in the open. We all know it. Makes everything easier going forward.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bumblebeetuna
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but but but it’s a SCAM to keep people subscribed to GamePass!! Spreading content over months to provide more value, what a great deal for SUCKERS!!
GAF is amazing sometimes
GAF is amazing sometimes
Astray
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Need to run down those cheap subscription stackers and get them at the real prices when the game launches.
Also the Astro Bot comparisons are asinine, game was playable at ChinaJoy and we even got additional gameplay footage out of it. Avowed is not playable at Gamescom, not even to press members from what we know so far.
Also the Astro Bot comparisons are asinine, game was playable at ChinaJoy and we even got additional gameplay footage out of it. Avowed is not playable at Gamescom, not even to press members from what we know so far.
Hudo
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The Astro Bot comparisons are asinine in a fundamental way since both games are quite different. I dunno what retards get out of shit like this. Other than sucking corporate cock, I guess.
Negotiator101
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Phil making all the right moves and not sending it out to die in a packed November.
reinking
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PHILWhat 'value' are you gaining by a late release? If you really wanted to you could just play it later if it released on the date they announced before. Absolutely ridiculous argument from a users perspective. You're right, 'Gaf', as in yourself included, truly is amazing sometimes with the mental gymnastics.but but but it’s a SCAM to keep people subscribed to GamePass!! Spreading content over months to provide more value, what a great deal for SUCKERS!!
GAF is amazing sometimes
Methos#1975
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I think in reality they are running from Dragon Age because they know it will be swallowed by it
nial
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? It was announced in May 2023 (slated for October) and released in February 2024. Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart was announced in the PS5 reveal showcase in June 2020 for an early 2021 target, until it was delayed to June 2021 (and this is still not 'years in advance'); Astro Bot is not 'literally' the only one, Until Dawn and Lego Horizon Adventures were also announced this very year.
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We know TWO studios, both located in Redmond, where contractors are used in a significant amount (and even there, the majority of staff are full time). And that’s it.
The recent round of layoffs didn’t impact Obsidian. No needs of any major layoff rounds there. And all their recruitment is for full time roles. You don’t advertise for full time roles with perks and salaries posted, then replace with contractors. They’re currently sized appropriately for the projects they’re making.
Grasping at straws indeed
no worries, it's going to get count once MS's mismanagement destroys the IP.
I suppose That’ll be after this year’s entry sells a ton of units, and launches on Switch 2.
Woopah
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Fair enough, I have seen some pretty weird comments about Xbox so I thought you were being serious. My bad!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bumblebeetuna
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I know it’s part of the warrior playbook to play dumb, but what’s with the stupid question? How does a sub service gain value if suddenly a big game is coming early 2025 that wasn’t coming before? And here’s where you reply that the title was originally launching in late 2024, so now that window has lost value, but not really. Not when CoD will have just launched in the service, among other titles.
Let’s pretend for a second that your confusion here is genuine. Have you never bought a retail game? An album? Went to a movie theater? Subbed to a subscription service that features games or video entertainment? If so, how does the idea of shifting releases around to have a more steady flow of content and to avoid pitting products against one another seem so foreign to you? I get why you assume it is inherently evil, this is an Xbox thread after all.
Distributors will move theatric releases around to avoid competition. Music labels do the same. Video services stagger releases to ensure steady content. Even game publishers routinely move game releases around to avoid other titles or busy times like holiday seasons.
You’re new to consuming media I guess
Have fun
Nobody is saying they don't see why media companies delay things so you stop playing dumb. I asked you a simple question. How does this delay add value? Because you were doing mental gymnastics like thisI know it’s part of the warrior playbook to play dumb, but what’s with the stupid question? How does a sub service gain value if suddenly a big game is coming early 2025 that wasn’t coming before? And here’s where you reply that the title was originally launching in late 2024, so now that window has lost value, but not really. Not when CoD will have just launched in the service, among other titles.
Let’s pretend for a second that your confusion here is genuine. Have you never bought a retail game? An album? Went to a movie theater? Subbed to a subscription service that features games or video entertainment? If so, how does the idea of shifting releases around to have a more steady flow of content and to avoid pitting products against one another seem so foreign to you? I get why you assume it is inherently evil, this is an Xbox thread after all.
Distributors will move theatric releases around to avoid competition. Music labels do the same. Video services stagger releases to ensure steady content. Even game publishers routinely move game releases around to avoid other titles or busy times like holiday seasons.
You’re new to consuming media I guess
Have fun
"Spreading content over months to provide more value"
What value are you getting with the delay? The answer is none. If anything you're getting less because you would have to pay for additional months.
VanCityGamer
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I guess I’d say it’s not about the quantity??
Mortisfacio
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I personally like this news. I get FOMO with things all releasing around the same time. With work, family and holidays + the release schedule of games from WoW expansion > November, I don't think I realistically was going to get to Avowed until 2025. Especially because in games like WoW and D4, they'll be releasing in August and October, but will have a double-dip time when a season starts later this year as well.
tTHANOSs
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If the game was any good it would be able to stand on its own. Xbox knows the game is average and don't want it to be forgotten as soon as it's released. Like Hellblade 2. They should have just said it needs a few more months to polish instead of saying they are giving everyone time to work on their backlog.
yazenov
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It's strange that they suddenly realized this revelation that it's going to be packed in November and just now decided to push it to Feb for the sake of their consumers.
Yeah, use your brain people. You have something up there. Use it instead of repeating PR bullshit.
Its not nearly as dumb as Gamepass increases games sales but it's up there.
Yeah, use your brain people. You have something up there. Use it instead of repeating PR bullshit.
Its not nearly as dumb as Gamepass increases games sales but it's up there.
Varteras
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We know TWO studios, both located in Redmond, where contractors are used in a significant amount (and even there, the majority of staff are full time). And that’s it.
The recent round of layoffs didn’t impact Obsidian. No needs of any major layoff rounds there. And all their recruitment is for full time roles. You don’t advertise for full time roles with perks and salaries posted, then replace with contractors. They’re currently sized appropriately for the projects they’re making.
Grasping at straws indeed
The use of contract labor is a Microsoft-wide practice. Xbox isn't magically immune. As we already know. Like Schreier reported.
You have no idea of what Obsidian's roster looks like over 6 years of being under Microsoft. The roles they have posted are a mere 4 actual positions. That also happen to be an art LEAD or SENIOR STAFF for programmers and a designer. The kind of positions less likely to be contracts. Oh, and a general app that is just their way of asking for a great applicant that doesn't care where they fit.
Offering a few full time bigger roles means literally nothing about the amount of contract labor they may or may not use. You're being impressively smug for someone who really has nothing to argue with except, "because I said so".
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Bumblebeetuna
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If it gets another lengthy delay after February then I’ll buy the “game is in trouble” narrative. But 3 months isn’t enough time to change much.
Varteras
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I mean I don't entirely buy it. It's another 3 months for a game that they've been "addressing feedback" on since they showed the first actual gameplay. But, yeah. I think at this very moment, this delay probably shouldn't be treated as solid proof that the game ran into anymore problems than they already acknowledged.
DragonNCM
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Better tell the truth Phil...that combat sucks & you are reworking it last moment & if you fail we will have another Redfail...
yazenov
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Its either amature hour or incompetence. Launch dates are planned way ahead in advance knowing the full schedule of games in the months. In no way MS didn't know that the initial date was packed full of games and the games competing against it. And this game is not your typical dude bro target audience, so I don't see any conflicts in the target audience for this game.
I don't buy it and neither should anyone. I won't give them the benifit of the doubt, it's MS. It's bullshit.
Just to be clear, I applaud them for delaying the game if it's a mess so at the very least it won't be a buggy fest like Redfall. However, even if you polish a turd, it's still crap, like Redfall.
If they need more time to cook the game in the over, they should have admitted it instead of claiming it's for the consumers to breathe
. How noble.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It is. STALKER 2, another marquee day 1 GamePass game shifted to November. Sensible to not have 2 big competing day 1 games release in the same week(s).
Feb is only 8~10 weeks from the original date so it's a very minor delay in the first place tho.
Yeah, but neither do you, right?
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yazenov
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Then why don't they release the game as promised in November and let the consumers decide if they want to wait to play the game after finishing their backlogs or play it on day one. It's very anti consumer of MS to make that decision on behalf of the paying customers.
Its on Gamepass so it won't vanish if it's released in Nov. Pro consumer choice much?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Then why don't they release the game as promised in November and let the consumers decide if they to wait to play the game after finishing their backlogs or play it on day one. It's very anti consumer of MS to make that decision on behalf of the paying customers.
Its on Gamepass so it won't vanish if it's released in Nov. Pro consumer choice much?
No service releases two competing marquee products at the same time, Netflix won't release Cobra Kai and Stranger Things in the same month, Sony wouldn't release Spider-Man 2 and GoW Ragnarok in the same month.
yazenov
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No service releases two competing marquee products at the same time, Netflix won't release Cobra Kai and Stranger Things in the same month, Sony wouldn't release Spider-Man 2 and GoW Ragnarok in the same month.
Different target audience for different types of consumers. Your typical FPS dude won't be interested in an Adventure or RPG games. Sure some of them might overlap, but not so much to delay it for 3 month. Something smells fishy, and it ain't fish.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Target audience might be different, but it doesn't make sense to put out that many day 1 games on GP, especially since as a service they want to spread them so people keep subscribed instead of just subbing for a month.
I'm pretty much a permanent subscriber, so this wouldn't have effected me but obviously they need to get and retain more people on the service.
yazenov
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Its a stretch to think your average gamer is able to finish several games within a month. It's just a handful of guys here in the forum maybe who could pull it off.
Anyways, they made a month subscription very expensive for this reason. They want consumer like you who subscribed for a year at least to get the discounted rates.
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Varteras
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Yeah, but neither do you, right?
I'm not the one saying for sure how things are at Obsidian. He's trying to shut down any such discussion on the possibility of them using a lot of contract labor with virtually nothing to support his position. Sit this one out.
By the way, to be clear, I don't agree with T Three 's position that they use "mostly" contract labor. Only that we know Microsoft uses a lot of it and it has reportedly caused issues. That claim requires evidence as well since no one reported exactly that, from what I know.
T Three 's position isn't MY position or point.
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twilo99
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Exactly, it's an impressive undertaking, and they deliver on time, every time.
Varteras
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It's an enormous resource sink just for the sake of releasing a new entry every year. I'd be careful being supportive of a huge company so thoroughly wrapping itself around one franchise.
I mean, imagine if PlayStation Studios was just Gran Turismo, Horizon, and The Last of..... oh. Nevermind. Carry on.
Mister Wolf
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Definitely buying this and Monster Hunter.
coachmcguirk91
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Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is coming out a week prior. Hands-on press previews were extremely positive. It's definitely going to be the better immersive RPG released that month. 2025, as a whole, is completely stacked. It's going to be the best year in gaming, maybe ever
diffusionx
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I look at that state of play and this thread and think, yea this game looks like shit but at least it’s a new game.
Astray
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Makes me think that maybe they were better off releasing this year.
That delay reason looks increasingly flimsy imo.
coachmcguirk91
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Meh, previews seem decent enough. They probably had a mid October or November release date originally. Too many games coming out around that time between SH2, COD, Dragon Age, and AC. Then Microsoft has Indy coming in December. Its tough no matter how you slice it
Astray
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COD and SH2 players likely have no real crossover with Avowed players imo.
I can see Dragon Age being a big release with plenty of crossover tho.
Also reminder that both Concord and Redfall previews were largely decent too. It's very rare that a game gets criticized in the previews phase.
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coachmcguirk91
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Fair, I just think Obsidian has a decent track record. It will most likely have mediocre combat, like the Outer Worlds did, but really good RPG elements to make up for it. I don't think it was delayed because its in a bad state. Could be wrong, obv.. I'm not too interested in the game at this point
Buggy Loop
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