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[Darkmakaimura]

Warhammer is getting more attention than pretty much any other franchise at least when it comes to Fandom.

If you ask me Warhammer going mainstream isn't exactly going to bode too well.

 

[Trogdor1123]

 

[DKehoe]

What's this measuring? The number of views Fandom wikis get?

 

[HRK69]

Fallout at 7 makes no sense. What's even happening in that franchise other than people endlessly replaying New Vegas? Give its spot to Cyberpunk 2077, which actually had a redemption arc with Phantom Liberty

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Something fishy with that list. Escape from tarkov, really?lol

 

[Doom85]

Fallout at 7 makes no sense. What's even happening in that franchise other than people endlessly replaying New Vegas? Give its spot to Cyberpunk 2077, which actually had a redemption arc with Phantom Liberty

Amazon TV series was a massive success.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Warhammer 40k definitely deserves to be up there. The best tabletop plus the best sci-fi lore which is way more interesting than Star Wars and the others in my opinion. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are also extremely awesome and had a huge and amazing lore. World of Warcraft used to but not as much anymore unless they can turn things around which could happen throughout and after this expansion.

Hope to see more big Warhammer 40k related stuff soon.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Warhammer 40k definitely deserves to be up there. The best tabletop plus the best sci-fi lore which is way more interesting than Star Wars and the others in my opinion. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are also extremely awesome and had a huge and amazing lore. World of Warcraft used to but not as much anymore unless they can turn things around which could happen throughout and after this expansion.

Hope to see more big Warhammer 40k related stuff soon.

Halo has some really great lore but the problem is that they don't know how to implement it into the games. So, it mostly stays to the books.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yep. The current culture is absolutely ripe for a big 40k blow out in popularity. It's the absolute antithesis of the safe, bland, PG friendly slop we're being served up over and over again. The Disneyfication of every major sci-fi franchise has pretty much ruined them all in one way or another. 40k stands to clean up because of this, by offering something so totally and completely different.

People are ready to embrace the grimdark, and I couldn't be happier about that - partly because I'm a shareholder

 

[Atrus]

I believe the surge in interest is related to how other fandoms like Star Wars, DND, LotR, MCU or Star Trek have catered to those who seek to despoil everything they touch with their dysgenic politics.

People then react by running away from the lunatics to a setting that is more grimdark in the underlying ideologies and actions.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I believe the surge in interest is related to how other fandoms like Star Wars, DND, LotR, MCU or Star Trek have catered to those who seek to despoil everything they touch with their dysgenic politics.

People then react by running away from the lunatics to a setting that is more grimdark in the underlying ideologies and actions.

You are pretty spot on right here. It's one of the reasons I went to Warhammer 40,000. All the other science fiction franchises as well as fantasy franchises are being ruined.

But as popularity grows and the more mainstream Warhammer 40,000 gets, expect Games Workshop to cave in the same way.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I believe the surge in interest is related to how other fandoms like Star Wars, DND, LotR, MCU or Star Trek have catered to those who seek to despoil everything they touch with their dysgenic politics.

People then react by running away from the lunatics to a setting that is more grimdark in the underlying ideologies and actions.

To be fair, this is just metrics from Fandom. Some of these other IPs have well established wikis outside of this terribly formatted site. Fandom sucks.

 

[EverydayBeast]

The gameplay view is not good but I'm sure many find it fun.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

To be fair, this is just metrics from Fandom. Some of these other IPs have well established wikis outside of this terribly formatted site. Fandom sucks.

I like the site personally. But it really depends on the person making it and really not so much Fandom itself.

Thing is to a lot of the recent video games have been well received. You have Space Marine 2 and Rogue Trader which are both fantastic games and loved by people.

You have Darktide and Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters which are both fantastic games as well.

The old players are absolutely loving what they're doing with the series and new people are becoming intrigued.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I like the site personally. But it really depends on the person making it and really not so much Fandom itself.

Thing is to a lot of the recent video games have been well received. You have Space Marine 2 and Rogue Trader which are both fantastic games and loved by people.

You have Darktide and Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters which are both fantastic games as well.

The old players are absolutely loving what they're doing with the series and new people are becoming intrigued.

40k rules and I'm happy to see it getting more popular. Just read Horus Heresy.

 

[DaciaJC]

Yep. The current culture is absolutely ripe for a big 40k blow out in popularity. It's the absolute antithesis of the safe, bland, PG friendly slop we're being served up over and over again. The Disneyfication of every major sci-fi franchise has pretty much ruined them all in one way or another. 40k stands to clean up because of this, by offering something so totally and completely different.

People are ready to embrace the grimdark, and I couldn't be happier about that - partly because I'm a shareholder

Until it, too, gets corrupted. But I'm hoping its heretofore unapologetic emphasis on violence and dark themes will keep it insulated from the influence of the loonies for a while longer.

 

[March Climber]

It is much deserved. They have been building a large community brick by brick, and branching out to video games the way they did was a very smart move.

I really hope things are handled well enough on the TV and movie side. They also need to find an anime studio to help on that front to grow on that end.

 

[FunkMiller]

Until it, too, gets corrupted. But I'm hoping its heretofore unapologetic emphasis on violence and dark themes will keep it insulated from the influence of the loonies for a while longer.

It's going to get a huge amount of flak from people on both sides of the political spectrum. Which is probably why its taken so long for it to get green lit. The right wing are going to have an apoplectic fit when they see how much religious iconography is used and abused. The left wing are going to hate the fascistic overtones of the Imperium and the 'might is right' messaging (even though the audience is not supposed to approve of it).

Everyone will complain about the vat grown, lobotomised babies being used as flying servitor drones.

 

[The Cockatrice]

The gameplay view is not good but I'm sure many find it fun.

 

[Tanus777]

Terraria as number 2? Why?

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

It's going to get a huge amount of flak from people on both sides of the political spectrum. Which is probably why its taken so long for it to get green lit. The right wing are going to have an apoplectic fit when they see how much religious iconography is used and abused. The left wing are going to hate the fascistic overtones of the Imperium and the 'might is right' messaging (even though the audience is not supposed to approve of it).

Everyone will complain about the vat grown, lobotomised babies being used as flying servitor drones.

 

[BlackTron]

Yep. The current culture is absolutely ripe for a big 40k blow out in popularity. It's the absolute antithesis of the safe, bland, PG friendly slop we're being served up over and over again. The Disneyfication of every major sci-fi franchise has pretty much ruined them all in one way or another. 40k stands to clean up because of this, by offering something so totally and completely different.

People are ready to embrace the grimdark, and I couldn't be happier about that - partly because I'm a shareholder

Because every other IP got lame, now Warhammer can gain popularity until it, too, is exploited and ruined by a bunch of inept, greedy suits without a clue.

Blizzard is so lost they couldn't even maintain the world of Starcraft as an effective buffer state. It was pretty much casual Wahammer-lite until everyone just lost interest. The lore died with the second game and then nothing happened but esports chasing for over a decade...

 

[T8SC]

Because every other IP got lame, now Warhammer can gain popularity until it, too, is exploited and ruined by a bunch of inept, greedy suits without a clue.

It's been popular for years and by that, I mean 40, not 4. Why is everyone so eager to jump on the bandwagon of "ermahgherd it'll change"?

 

[DKehoe]

Terraria as number 2? Why?

I'm guessing the ranking has to do with the number of views the wiki receives. Maybe the Fandom wiki for Terraria is the most comprehensive source for that game. So since Terraria is a game where a detailed wiki can be incredibly useful for discovering how to do things, the player base frequently visits it.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Yep. The current culture is absolutely ripe for a big 40k blow out in popularity. It's the absolute antithesis of the safe, bland, PG friendly slop we're being served up over and over again. The Disneyfication of every major sci-fi franchise has pretty much ruined them all in one way or another. 40k stands to clean up because of this, by offering something so totally and completely different.

People are ready to embrace the grimdark, and I couldn't be happier about that - partly because I'm a shareholder

I read that Games Workshop shares are popping off, could it be a good time to invest?

It's going to get a huge amount of flak from people on both sides of the political spectrum. Which is probably why its taken so long for it to get green lit. The right wing are going to have an apoplectic fit when they see how much religious iconography is used and abused. The left wing are going to hate the fascistic overtones of the Imperium and the 'might is right' messaging (even though the audience is not supposed to approve of it).

Everyone will complain about the vat grown, lobotomised babies being used as flying servitor drones.

I think the right wing has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. Maybe it's different in the UK, but I haven't seen any real complaints about blasphemy in a long time. Not to mention the 4 chan crowd loves 40K stuff.

 

[BlackTron]

It's been popular for years and by that, I mean 40, not 4. Why is everyone so eager to jump on the bandwagon of "ermahgherd it'll change"?

Never said it was already unpopular. I said it was gaining more popularity.

Everyone knows what can happen to IP when the amount of money at stake hits critical mass.

 

[FunkMiller]

I read that Games Workshop shares are popping off, could it be a good time to invest?

Yes, very probably. I have some and I've seen a good increase over the last few years.

 

[FeralEcho]

Another franchise going mainstream and waiting for the inevitable fuck up of everything it stands for to appeal to the millions of new people that barely found out about it....Yay....

Every franchise I cared for bar a couple have been negatively impacted by going mainstream.

Waiting for the "modern audiences" angle on Warhammer now...you know it's coming.

 

[jason10mm]

Hopefully Warhammer recognizes the grift. It's always the same pattern. IP has a STRONG core audience, virtually all dudes. This audience is enough to propel an IP to pretty significant highs and there is a bleed-over effect when a good story, a male actor popular with the ladies, and flashy visuals launch it to the stratosphere. THEN the grifters come, claiming that the IP, in its pure state, is disenfranchising to some niche segment and WOW wouldn't it be great if it could grow? They use phrases like "I've always loved the IP but could never see MYSELF in it, let's change that!". Marketers suggest that the audience has peaked and the law of perpetual growth requires the IP to attempt to win over an audience that doesn't really exist, but hey, I'm sure women and theater majors will just love giant war machines if we paint them in pastel colors and have grumpy shaved head androgynous beings as pilots, right?

Then we begin the pillage and sacking of the IP until the core audience turns away in disgust, the grifters move on to their next carcass, and the original holders of the IP are left looking around, befuddled, wondering WTF just happened to their property that seemed so successful.

 

[FunkMiller]

You really all need to stop thinking of 40K as being like Star Wars/Star Trek/LOTR etc.

This isn't just a fictional IP with one story. It's an entire retail empire. Frankly, the fictional stuff is just one avenue of a much bigger business.

And they're not going to risk that business by making the same stupid decisions you've seen made with other franchises.

And again… there will be a lot of equality and diversity in this because it's already part of 40K! One of the main characters in the Indomitus Crusade is a female general. There are minorities everywhere.

You can't whine about your DEI bullshit in the live action stuff, if you haven't got a clue how 40K functions now.

 

[jason10mm]

You really all need to stop thinking of 40K as being like Star Wars/Star Trek/LOTR etc.

This isn't just a fictional IP with one story. It's an entire retail empire. Frankly, the fictional stuff is just one avenue of a much bigger business.

And they're not going to risk that business by making the same stupid decisions you've seen made with other franchises.

And again… there will be a lot of equality and diversity in this because it's already part of 40K! One of the main characters in the Indomitus Crusade is a female general. There are minorities everywhere.

You can't whine about your DEI bullshit in the live action stuff, if you haven't got a clue how 40K functions now.

No one cares if they cast POC. They DO care if the all male Space Marine chapters suddenly become half female, AND those women are potato shaped danger hairs, AND all the men suddenly turn into buffoons that make lame passes at said womyn just so they can be "owned", AND there are more LGBTQRS relationships than hetero ones, AND a third of the cast are trans that DO NOTHING but talk about how they are trans, AND all the alien races are represented as aggrieved indigenous peoples oppressed by colonizer humans (that just happen to be the handful of white cishet dudes in the cast), AND there all sorts of socialist ideas and "orange man bad" TDS crap wedged in because Bezos has a beef with POTUS.

It's the cascade of things that lead to total destruction of the product, removing it from everything the actual fans want, and then those same fans get insulted and called derogatory names for DARING to not support the product, even though NO ONE ELSE does either.

Casting a muscular black man to play a Space Marine and a tough arabic lady as an inquisitor ain't the issue here and its a bit annoying to keep repeating that it is.

 

[FunkMiller]

No one cares if they cast POC. They DO care if the all male Space Marine chapters suddenly become half female, AND those women are potato shaped danger hairs, AND all the men suddenly turn into buffoons that make lame passes at said womyn just so they can be "owned", AND there are more LGBTQRS relationships than hetero ones, AND a third of the cast are trans that DO NOTHING but talk about how they are trans, AND all the alien races are represented as aggrieved indigenous peoples oppressed by colonizer humans (that just happen to be the handful of white cishet dudes in the cast), AND there all sorts of socialist ideas and "orange man bad" TDS crap wedged in because Bezos has a beef with POTUS.

It's the cascade of things that lead to total destruction of the product, removing it from everything the actual fans want, and then those same fans get insulted and called derogatory names for DARING to not support the product, even though NO ONE ELSE does either.

Casting a muscular black man to play a Space Marine and a tough arabic lady as an inquisitor ain't the issue here and its a bit annoying to keep repeating that it is.

Well, let's look at the thing everyone seems to be most concerned about: female space marines. Could they do them? Yes. They absolutely could. Perfectly plausible for some Mechanicus clown (or even Cawl himself) to alter things so females can become Astartes. They did it with Primaris. They could do it again.

But potato shaped danger hair women as Space Marines?

How well do you think they'd sell as miniatures?

Because it ALWAYS comes back to the miniatures. Nothing will be introduced that threatens the sales of plastic. Which probably means no female space marines anyway (not least because that also means new head sculpts, which cost money to develop).

And again... for the millionth time... Games Workshop are very left wing. There will absolutely be anti-right wing, anti-religious, anti-conservative messaging in this - because there always has been in Warhammer 40k.

It's got nothing to do with Jeff Bezos - and any 'fans' who start moaning about 40k 'suddenly' being anti-conservative, aren't 40k fans at all, because they don't understand the existing setting.

 

[IDKFA]

It's going to get a huge amount of flak from people on both sides of the political spectrum. Which is probably why its taken so long for it to get green lit. The right wing are going to have an apoplectic fit when they see how much religious iconography is used and abused.

Nope. I love to see it. Clearly GW thinks Christian iconography is cool AF, and lets be honest, it absolutely is. The great thing is that it's not even Christian in 40K, so there is no reason why any Christian should be offended. It's clearly a made up religion. Nobody will really care.

The only issue I see is trying to make the audience care about the Imperium, a fascist/communist blend inspired faction that are racist and have been based on the worst totalitarian powers in history. Amazon and GW might need to tone down the xenophobia a bit for this to be accepted by a majority of audiences. This adaptation needs a protagonist for the audience to follow and get behind, which is going to be hard when you're main faction and franchise poster boys are bigots.

And again... for the millionth time... Games Workshop are very left wing. There will absolutely be anti-right wing, anti-religious, anti-conservative messaging in this - because there always has been in Warhammer 40k.

It's got nothing to do with Jeff Bezos - and any 'fans' who start moaning about 40k 'suddenly' being anti-conservative, aren't 40k fans at all, because they don't understand the existing setting.

While 40K critiques right-wing authoritarianism, it also critiques left-wing authoritarianism. 40K also doesn't unambiguously promote left-wing ideals either.

If anything the setting is a warning against the far-left and the far-right.

 

[FunkMiller]

Nope. I love to see it. Clearly GW thinks Christian iconography is cool AF, and lets be honest, it absolutely is. The great thing is that it's not even Christian in 40K, so there is no reason why any Christian should be offended. It's clearly a made up religion. Nobody will really care.

Well, I hope you're right about that, but the Christian/Catholic iconography is pretty damned blatant, and mixing that with the xenophobia and bigotry inherent to the Imperium is going to get the backs up of all the wrong people, IMO. The first stained glass window in a gothic cathedral of the god emperor will probably result in some very triggered individuals.

 

[IDKFA]

Well, I hope you're right about that, but the Christian/Catholic iconography is pretty damned blatant, and mixing that with the xenophobia and bigotry inherent to the Imperium is going to get the backs up of all the wrong people, IMO. The first stained glass window in a gothic cathedral of the god emperor will probably result in some very triggered individuals.

It is blatant, but it's not something a majority will care about because it's clearly not a real religion. Also, most Christians don't care because their religion is constantly bullied and shat on from a great height. Most of them have thick skins.

Saying that, I think Amazon and GW will need to tone down 40K to make it appealing to a mass audience. I'm not talking about the religions stuff either, but more the bigotry and extreme racism from the poster boys of the franchise. Might be a good way to also test the waters with female Astartes and a more progressive Imperium? Maybe.

 

[jason10mm]

Well, let's look at the thing everyone seems to be most concerned about: female space marines. Could they do them? Yes. They absolutely could. Perfectly plausible for some Mechanicus clown (or even Cawl himself) to alter things so females can become Astartes. They did it with Primaris. They could do it again.

But potato shaped danger hair women as Space Marines?

The actors will have to get out of their armor for a show. It's just gonna happen. So are they just gonna cast some jacked chicks? They COULD, certainly shows like LIONESS does this, all the ladies on that show can walk their talk. But I suspect the casting would try to get "Variety" of a type that simply would pass muster in selling "HUMAN KILLING MACHINE" to the audience in the way the male casting would. For every Bobby Draper (from The Expanse, a power armored marine played by Samoan Frankie Adams) who can sell some physicality you get a ton of scarecrows and potatoes because that's the actress pool.

How well do you think they'd sell as miniatures?

Why do you think the show would have to be translated to miniatures? Will they have to have 1:1 recreations of armor, vehicles, etc? That doesn't seem likely. Are they gonna have a mini sculpt of Cavills character? I don't see the threat to "the plastic" from having the show look a little different in order to be actually filmable. Are any Space Marines gonna be 30% larger than any other humans? They COULD do this, via perspective, CG, or just casting behemoth men against diminutive other actors, but seems like an impractical concession to "the plastic" versus having Marines be more normal sized with armor that can be physically made and used in camera and all the benefits that gives production.

 

[FunkMiller]

Why do you think the show would have to be translated to miniatures? Will they have to have 1:1 recreations of armor, vehicles, etc? That doesn't seem likely. Are they gonna have a mini sculpt of Cavills character? I don't see the threat to "the plastic" from having the show look a little different in order to be actually filmable. Are any Space Marines gonna be 30% larger than any other humans? They COULD do this, via perspective, CG, or just casting behemoth men against diminutive other actors, but seems like an impractical concession to "the plastic" versus having Marines be more normal sized with armor that can be physically made and used in camera and all the benefits that gives production.

Because that's GW's main source of income, and that's what they want.

Yes, the Astartes will be larger. By about the same dimensions as the minis. Why wouldn't they be? It's like saying Gandalf is going to be the same height as the hobbits before they started filming Lord Of The Rings. This is going to be a huge budget production. I'd imagine they'll be entirely CGI for a lot of the time.

You seem convinced that they're going to change and ruin everything, despite having zero evidence of this.

And don't quote Rings Of Power! Amazon also made Fallout - and more recently. And GW are far more protective of their IP. Thats why it took so long for this deal to go through.