Oh sheeet, EU be juicing - $840 billion 'Rearm Europe' plan announced

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T-0800 said:
You should be angry at the tax relief going to the rich not the peanuts going to Ukraine. Ukraine are an ally. The same ally that fought alongside US troops in Iraq. Russia getting what they want is not going to put food on your table.
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These people don't give a fuck. It's all just me me me me and blame everyone else for their issues. Fuck all these countries and their people, who paid and died during their war campaigns, when they call for help.
 
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Mistake said:
dept of education is garbage. In my college there were people who didn't even know what a negative number was, and my high school dropped the failing grade by 5 points to keep their funding going. Sell me another food pyramid
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Did you take out any loans to go to college or get any pell grants? I bet you did. The department of education made that possible.

Just cause your school sucked isn't the dept of education fault. It's your state and community's fault for not valuing education. I lived in the south for years and it's the only place I've had people question why I was reading a book.

Theres a reason the south/republicans are anti education. Easier to steal from you and then lie to you cause you have no critical thinking skills
 
The US has sent more money than anyone else. It's amazing that after a 3 year stalemate the US is being blamed. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

How many more years and hudreds of thousands dead until a peace negotiation is on the table? I love listening to the droves of people who wouldn't step foot in Ukraine, let alone pick up a rifle, telling me the importance of this war.
 
Lunarorbit said:
Did you take out any loans to go to college or get any pell grants? I bet you did. The department of education made that possible.

Just cause your school sucked isn't the dept of education fault. It's your state and community's fault for not valuing education. I lived in the south for years and it's the only place I've had people question why I was reading a book.

Theres a reason the south/republicans are anti education. Easier to steal from you and then lie to you cause you have no critical thinking skills
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That's across the board, it's not only a southern thing. Dept of education creates incentives that screw things up all the time, loans and grants being one of them. But this is beside the point of the thread. What would your solution be to stop the current conflict? Neither side is going to just walk away empty handed, and you can't keep throwing bodies into the meat grinder as money goes out the window
Lukaku's First Touch said:
These people don't give a fuck. It's all just me me me me and blame everyone else for their issues. Fuck all these countries and their people, who paid and died during their war campaigns, when they call for help.
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We can't even help ourselves, that's the point. I've handed out clothes and blankets to shell shocked vets in the streets of Boston. Don't get me started
 
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delirium trigger said:
The US has sent more money than anyone else. It's amazing that after a 3 year stalemate the US is being blamed. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

How many more years and hudreds of thousands dead until a peace negotiation is on the table? I love listening to the droves of people who wouldn't step foot in Ukraine, let alone pick up a rifle, telling me the importance of this war.
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Lies. Europe gave more than the US. Maybe do some critical thinking / research yourself instead of just parotting what you see Trump and Vance spam out.
 
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Mistake said:
dept of education is garbage. In my college there were people who didn't even know what a negative number was, and my high school dropped the failing grade by 5 points to keep their funding going. Sell me another food pyramid
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The literacy these days is completely atrocious. And AI will make it worse. People don't know basic stuff anymore.
 
delirium trigger said:
The US has sent more money than anyone else. It's amazing that after a 3 year stalemate the US is being blamed. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

How many more years and hudreds of thousands dead until a peace negotiation is on the table? I love listening to the droves of people who wouldn't step foot in Ukraine, let alone pick up a rifle, telling me the importance of this war.
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If we have so much money why couldn't we send enough resources to finish it?

It appeared to me that the U.S. was intentionally drip-feeding Ukraine in order to slowly weaken Russia while being careful not to fully collapse the enemy government. Probably, U.S. wanted Russia extremely weakened so it would be easy to keep subjugated, without damaging the existing structure necessary to control it -"better the enemy I know than the enemy I don't know". Regardless of their motives for doing so, at that point it's on the US for failing to take decisive action and deciding this outcome was worth keeping Ukrainians in the line of fire for 3 years.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
So will there be 51 FBI agents corroborating that this time? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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It's a "walks like a duck, talks like a duck" situation. We already know Trump is a Russian asset just by watching him on TV. So there's no need to "prove" a story to show that's what he is. It's just talking about how he got there. Maybe the ex-KGB guy is telling the truth. Or maybe Trump simply woke up one day and decided to act exactly like one. Who knows!
 
BlackTron said:
If we have so much money why couldn't we send enough resources to finish it?

It appeared to me that the U.S. was intentionally drip-feeding Ukraine in order to slowly weaken Russia while being careful not to fully collapse the enemy government. Probably, U.S. wanted Russia extremely weakened so it would be easy to keep subjugated, without damaging the existing structure necessary to control it -"better the enemy I know than the enemy I don't know". Regardless of their motives for doing so, at that point it's on the US for failing to take decisive action and deciding this outcome was worth keeping Ukrainians in the line of fire for 3 years.
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Why didn't anyone just send enough "to finish it" then? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Because there's not some magic dollar figure that ends the war, lololol.

They REALLY need troops for the frontlines to hold their territory. I suggest anyone that's passionate to enlist.
 
delirium trigger said:
Why didn't anyone just send enough "to finish it" then? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Because there's not some magic dollar figure that ends the war, lololol.

They REALLY need troops for the frontlines to hold their territory. I suggest anyone that's passionate to enlist.
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You sound like someone who simply wants to feel a certain way, or has not been closely following the war since day 1 like some other people here.

Edit: I literally answered your first question in the post you replied to, come on. Why does it seem like everyone on the "other side" can't even discuss it cogently. Interesting correlation really.
 
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delirium trigger said:
The US has sent more money than anyone else. It's amazing that after a 3 year stalemate the US is being blamed. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

How many more years and hudreds of thousands dead until a peace negotiation is on the table? I love listening to the droves of people who wouldn't step foot in Ukraine, let alone pick up a rifle, telling me the importance of this war.
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The issue with trump supporters on this topic is that they can't disagree with him no matter what.

Trump like any politician gets things right and also things wrong. I agree with alot of things trump has said and some policies but can also see where he's just flat wrong. But to the indoctrinated he's never wrong and only gold comes out of his mouth.

USA spend on defence annually is approaching a trillion. A fraction of that has gone to help Ukraine. And what has the USA got in return? Their oldest adversary military has been destroyed and will take 10+ plus years maybe even 20 to fully recover and has completely destroyed their economy and work force for the price of peanuts.

This fanfiction that the money shouldn't be spent on Ukraine but instead spent on US citizens. Please.. republicans are all about personal responsibility, smaller government et al. So this bullshit that the money would be spent on Americans is laughable.
Russia is a hostile country, especially to the USA. Everything they do is to undermine the USA.
 
Donald mac Ronald said:
The issue with trump supporters on this topic is that they can't disagree with him no matter what.

Trump like any politician gets things right and also things wrong. I agree with alot of things trump has said and some policies but can also see where he's just flat wrong. But to the indoctrinated he's never wrong and only gold comes out of his mouth.

USA spend on defence annually is approaching a trillion. A fraction of that has gone to help Ukraine. And what has the USA got in return? Their oldest adversary military has been destroyed and will take 10+ plus years maybe even 20 to fully recover and has completely destroyed their economy and work force for the price of peanuts.

This fanfiction that the money shouldn't be spent on Ukraine but instead spent on US citizens. Please.. republicans are all about personal responsibility, smaller government et al. So this bullshit that the money would be spent on Americans is laughable.
Russia is a hostile country, especially to the USA. Everything they do is to undermine the USA.
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I agree. I spend the fast 4 years avoiding woke games and saying that hiring should be merit-based. But these are issues that can be trudged through and handled in time. I was scared shitless of Trump winning because I thought he might one-shot the United States with damage we CAN'T fix in four years.

If the damage caused in the past few months is fixed in a generation, we will have walked out of it with the best luck we could hope for.
 
But you guys know what happens with most of that money, right? The answer is not "ammunition".

Politics is power and using that power to make your "shareholders" happy.

This war brings more money to the rich than anything else right now.
 
Trunx81 said:
But you guys know what happens with most of that money, right? The answer is not "ammunition".

Politics is power and using that power to make your "shareholders" happy.

This war brings more money to the rich than anything else right now.
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I think shareholders are happy, but mostly of U.S. defense companies. Well, were happy.

Edit: As a response to your like, I have to make sure the point got across. U.S. defense shareholders being happy = weapons sent to Ukraine.

Half the people saying we SHOULDN'T do it, is because we don't profit.

But when the U.S. DOES profit, then we shouldn't be enriching evil U.S. by helping.

Pick one!
 
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ChuckeRearmed said:
"US enemy". Was it before and after europeans started to buy Russian resources?
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Russia was docile for quite some time and many countries thought they are dealing with NORMAL country.

They were idiots of course, Russia will always be Russia and there can't be any normal interactions with them. Now they know and I hope they won't make this mistake again.

As a Polish person I can tell you A LOT about Russian motherfuckers, we have ~1000 years of conflicts with them (kievan rus before):

 
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Mistake said:
I didn't mind Bernie and his message before he became a two-faced sellout.
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Season 6 What GIF by The Office
 
EU+UK GDP $23.7 trillion, Russia $2.1 trillion

EU just need to go for arms race and Russia is gone, its much worse for them in terms of economy disparity than cold war was.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
Of course they won't as it will require to do something instead of some performative garbage online :messenger_tears_of_joy: I am looking forward to europeans stepping and going to combat.
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What kind of stepping are we talking here? Goose stepping? Or maybe you were thinking of Irish Step dancing? COME AT US RUSSIA AND WE'LL SEND OVER MICHAEL FLATLEY TO IRISH DANCE THE FUCK OUT OF YOU kind of thing?

Yes I think that would work - no one can possibly survive an entire night of being subjected to Michael Flatley.
 
It's amazing how quickly the prestige and reputation of a country can be utterly tarnished. In this case, mere weeks. I'm not talking about Russia's, but rather America's actions. They have allowed a complete mad man and his bootlickers in charge of the world's most powerful nation. Who is dumb enough to trust Trump? The past few weeks of global politics have been the most dramatic and paradigm shifting since world war 2 ended. America has made it clear, it cannot be trusted upon. In fact, it's downright hostile to the interests of its previous democratic allies.

EU will rearm. EU will unite. And one day hopefully Ukraine may be part of that. A rearmed and wholly unified EU will be disastrous for US interests and will mean that American citizens no longer get to benefit from the luxury of worldwide trade and alliances. Ukrainians and EU pay a heavy price today but it's the Americans that will pay dearly for Trump's presidency for decades to come.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
Of course they won't as it will require to do something instead of some performative garbage online :messenger_tears_of_joy: I am looking forward to europeans stepping and going to combat.
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There is a world of difference between "I think it's a good idea to provide financial and military equipment support to our ally that, in turn, weakens our geopolitical rival", and "fuck them, go fight the war yourself if you are so passionate about it".
 
Klosshufvud said:
It's amazing how quickly the prestige and reputation of a country can be utterly tarnished. In this case, mere weeks. I'm not talking about Russia's, but rather America's actions. They have allowed a complete mad man and his bootlickers in charge of the world's most powerful nation. Who is dumb enough to trust Trump? The past few weeks of global politics have been the most dramatic and paradigm shifting since world war 2 ended. America has made it clear, it cannot be trusted upon. In fact, it's downright hostile to the interests of its previous democratic allies.

EU will rearm. EU will unite. And one day hopefully Ukraine may be part of that. A rearmed and wholly unified EU will be disastrous for US interests and will mean that American citizens no longer get to benefit from the luxury of worldwide trade and alliances. Ukrainians and EU pay a heavy price today but it's the Americans that will pay dearly for Trump's presidency for decades to come.
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Every conflict the USA has been involved in since ww2 they have dragged and requested their allies help. Even Vietnam they demanded south Korea and Australia help.
Yet, when it's USAs turn to help. It's " oh that money should be spent on Americas lol".
 
delirium trigger said:
Painting America as the enemy after they've shoveled hundreds of billions into the war is probably not the best strategy while your trying to get them to spend more. lmfao.
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Nobody in their right mind expects the US to spend more money/give support anymore after they've been compromised fully by Russia.

There is now only a chance for a (terrible) deal and the EU to man up as they seem to be finally doing. Also they didn't spend hundreds of billions, about 100 billion and still less than the EU even though Krasnov says it's '350 billion. Lmfao.
 
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Lukaku's First Touch said:
Nobody in their right mind expects the US to spend more money/give support anymore after they've been compromised fully by Russia.

There is now only a chance for a (terrible) deal and the EU to man up as they seem to be finally doing. Also they didn't spend hundreds of billions, about 100 billion and still less than the EU even though Krasnov says it's '350 billion. Lmfao.
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I wouldn't bother. Both him and the other have shown they're clueless clowns who changed their bs when facts are pointed out or ignore.
One of these clowns thought it was funny that other countries soldiers died for USAs bs foreign policy.
 
delirium trigger said:
Painting America as the enemy after they've shoveled hundreds of billions into the war is probably not the best strategy while your trying to get them to spend more. lmfao.
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Fully in the world of double speak where you need to suck up to a bully and call them your friend while they behave like an enemy, in hopes that they will stop.
 
ThisIsMyDog said:
EU just need to go for arms race and Russia is gone
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Klosshufvud said:
EU will rearm. EU will unite.
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I really hope you're both right. Unfortunately, Putin's Russia hasn't spent the last couple of decades infiltrating European agencies and governments for nothing, undermining every progress we could've made (see: Viktor Orban). EU itself might not be as compromised as the US seem to be today, but it will take way too long to do the things we should have done 20 years ago.
 
Donald mac Ronald said:
I wouldn't bother. Both him and the other have shown they're clueless clowns who changed their bs when facts are pointed out or ignore.
One of these clowns thought it was funny that other countries soldiers died for USAs bs foreign policy.
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It's judge and jury by my own emotional whims instead of a rules-based process.

This espouses Trump's personal brand. It's how he does things, and they like it. It's what they want.
 
I think one of the things you guys are missing, is you are trying to look at geopolitics in the world of good and bad. And that is not really how it works. In geopolitics nations do not have friends they have interest. ANd if your interest are aligned, you have reasons to ally. Resources our an interest and obtaining them is a major mover in the world. Russia has some vested interest in Crimea, and the Donbas region. Crimea mainly for strategic location and access to greater warm water ports and shipping lanes. That is Russia's major interest (in my opinion). They do not want more NATO countries closer to their border. They already have issue with US missiles in Poland and other soviet block countries. The war isn't happening because Russia is bad (Putin is). There has been bad diplomatic relations and violations for 20 to 30 years. The work of diplomacy is difficult, and the world would be a lot better and safer if the relations were stabilized and treaties managed.

This guy knows whats up.
 
Perhaps the nations of Europe should take this opportunity for some introspection and finally acknowledge that equally as dangerous as the threat of Russia is to their sense of security are their own insane immigration policies. You've been invaded -- willingly! -- over the last 10+ years by hordes of people who despise your culture and values; your governments have sacrificed untold numbers of your young men, women, and children on the altar of appeasement and progressivism; yet if you dare point this out, you're branded an alt-right fanatic and smothered by the state and the media.

It's all well and good for Europe to take greater initiative for its own defense -- as an American with Eastern European parents, I'm all too familiar with the consequences of untamed Russian aggression and I am deeply unhappy with the way Trump has kowtowed to the rabid dog Putin -- but pretending like the bear to the East is the only existential threat is utter foolishness. The greater danger by far is much closer to home.
 
AJUMP23 said:
I would want to be out in the ocean on a carrier if the nukes did launch.

I don't think anyone is going to use nukes.
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Could be a hell of a view. In a terrifying, once in a lifetime kind of way

The stakes just aren't high enough, luckily. Let's hope it stays that way :messenger_beaming:
 
XXL said:
The same places any budget like that goes.

Part of it goes towards equipment and various expenses and part of it goes to corruption. Let's not pretend it's not the same everywhere.
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This number is insane for a country not in any active, big war. People are bitching about ~100bilion/3 years when almost 1 trillion goes to military every year.

I wonder how much better every day Americans would be if some % of that money were given to improve their conditions. Trump and his party are really mindfucking people with bullshit.
 
Bojji said:
This number is insane for a country not in any active, big war. People are bitching about ~100bilion/3 years when almost 1 trillion goes to military every year.

I wonder how much better every day Americans would be if some % of that money were given to improve their conditions. Trump and his party are really mindfucking people with bullshit.
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Trump has been in office for a few months now and Biden was in power for 4 years before. Why didn't Biden and the dems cut defense spending?

Are all europeans this fucking stupid or is it just you?
 
Bojji said:
I wonder how much better every day Americans would be if some % of that money were given to improve their conditions. Trump and his party are really mindfucking people with bullshit.
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They don't need to do any of that really.

If they shutdown the US being treated as a the worldwide welfare center and eliminate some corruption from within they'll be fine. The issue there is a bunch of people within the system who make tons of money scrapping off the top of everything.
 
AJUMP23 said:
This guy knows whats up.
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No, he does not. He is reusing talking point of Russian propaganda: "oh, NATO moved to close to Russian borders".

Was Ukraine actively petitioning for NATO membership before the war? No. In fact it is directly as a result of Russia actions they abandoned their neutrality:

In 2010, during the premiership of Viktor Yanukovych, the Ukrainian parliament voted to abandon the goal of NATO membership and re-affirm Ukraine's neutral status, while continuing its co-operation with NATO.[3] In the February 2014 Ukrainian Revolution, Ukraine's parliament voted to remove Yanukovych, but the new government did not seek to change its neutral status.[4][5][6] Russia then occupied and annexed Crimea, and in August 2014 Russia's military invaded eastern Ukraine to support its separatist proxies. Because of this, in December 2014 Ukraine's parliament voted to end its neutral status,[7] and in 2018 it voted to enshrine the goal of NATO membership in the Constitution.[8][9]
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Also - let's look at it practically. You think those missiles stationed in Baltic States, Poland or Germany cannot reach Russian soil?

Come On Biden GIF by GIPHY News


As for conventional weapons - the closest is probably a border with Latvia, and that takes 1000km to reach Moscow, any army will probably not make it past 100km inside Russian terriotory. Everyone knows that.
 
The Gamer Triple H said:
Trump has been in office for a few months now and Biden was in power for 4 years before. Why didn't Biden and the dems cut defense spending?

Are all europeans this fucking stupid or is it just you?
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Americans weren't bothered by massive military spendings before. But after they send some old military tech to Ukraine - OUTRAGE!

To me, you look fucking stupid believing maga propaganda.

USA is pretty much helping Russian army at this point:

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