we're being priced out of our hobby.

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You don't see any fun in anything he said? Or do you just want the new thing because it's new.
You can spend your money any way you want, be it on a Switch 2 or an RTX 5090.
I just think the value proposition of either is utterly out of place.
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Oh, I didn't mean to come across rude. I was supporting his great post.

I love the fact there's so many options for everyone.

But I'm also of the mind that these super intricate modern games are not cheap to make.
 
I disagree. I think gamers have more money than people realize. It cost $90 for all 4 Ninja Turtle skins in Call of Duty, and Activision wouldn't price them that much if they didn't think people would pay it. Same with any other "overpriced" microtransactions. It's all about value; if the customers think the value is there, they'll pay whatever amount to get what they want. I'm guilty of this myself. I wanted to upgrade my GTX 1080 so I paid $1300 for a 3080 during the Crypto boom, and honestly, I don't even regret it.
 
- Don't buy games day 1 unless you're really enthusiastic about it.
- Wait for sales
- Buy used physical games/hardware

Problem solved.
 
FalconPunch said:
But the regular ps5 is 570 CAD which funny enough is cheaper than the switch which is a minimum of 5x less powerful....
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with no disc drive?

its nearly 700 for a console with a disc drive.

1000+ for the pro with a disc drive.

forget about which console is better, these are mid level gaming pc prices, for literally none of the flexibility a PC has.
 
SweetTooth said:
How much is Switch 2 in CAD?

Whatever that price a $1000CAD Pro is a bargin compared to that.
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$629.99 and for the bundle, $699.99 CAD. Ps5 pro is $959.99. So for 300 more, you can is significantly more powerful with more storage, better controller, cheaper games, etc. Better yet, just get a regular ps5 for less money than the switch 2. You can even get a series x or s for less money. All of which are more powerful.

Real talk, you'll probably spend $1000 easy. Just buy the Mario kart bundle and 2 games, add tax and you're screwed. Now if you want a second controller, camera, etc, you're going to balloon well past $1k cad. The switch 2 easily represents the worst console deal in a long as time. Worse than the pro for what you get. A total ripoff.
 
Start supporting indies and smaller, newer devs. You might be surprised by how much quality content is out there if you look beyond the garbage that gets all the press. You don't need the latest and greatest hardware to play most games. You simply have to be okay with not playing with the shiny new toy.
 
Maybe for those with FOMO.

Not all games cost full price ($60-80). Indies will still be in the $10-$40 range.

And honestly, I feel like games are cheap compared to what we used to pay and what those games brought us.

I just can't work up a care to give over game prices being increased.
 
Not_A-Cop_Maybe said:
with no disc drive?

its nearly 700 for a console with a disc drive.

1000+ for the pro with a disc drive.

forget about which console is better, these are mid level gaming pc prices, for literally none of the flexibility a PC has.
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Literally no one needs the disc drive. I have one, don't use it. Second of all, don't talk about pc prices in Canada. They're worse deals than consoles barring the switch which is the worst 2nd worst deal gaming product as far as I'm concerned.
 
FalconPunch said:
Ok and? The point is you can get a ps5 for less than a switch 2. Switch 2 physical games also cost more than digital and based on what we can see, more than ps5 games. The switch 2 for me is the second worst deal and only slightly behind the $4000 CAD 5090.

Paying $629 for a system that's already dropping frames in old games like Elden ring, cyberpunk, etc prior to release is ridiculous.
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PS5 comes with a screen, battery and doesn't drop frames in those old games??
 
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Start supporting indies and smaller, newer devs. You might be surprised by how much quality content is out there if you look beyond the garbage that gets all the press. You don't need the latest and greatest hardware to play most games. You simply have to be okay with not playing with the shiny new toy.
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Yeah. I feel the indies and nintendos cheaper tier games will fill the gaps between me deciding on a big purchase every birthday and Christmas time.
 
Just wait to buy games on sale. There's plenty to play right now. You don't have to buy everything day 1.

I don't think some of you are even old enough to realize how good you have it. You can literally buy a console and have enough to play just from FTP games for the life of the console.
 
OverHeat said:
Inflation is normal OP
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Yes the billion dollar corporation who made billions off of the switch and are currently making truck loads of money off of there universal theme parks is being hurt by inflation. Gimme a break.

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How much is Switch 2 in CAD?

Whatever that price a $1000CAD Pro is a bargin compared to that.
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Fuck no, I can't play physical copy without pay extra $100 for disc drive and Pro is not new system, it will never gets it's own exclusive.

I definitely much more willing to buy Switch 2 over PS5 pro.
 
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Higher end hardware and AAA games are probably pricing some people out...but if they can't sell copies they'll drop the price.

Literally only Nintendo doesn't drop their prices, so more studios are just telling people not to buy day one.
 
Some folks are returning specifically to the PS3/360 generation not just because of nostalgia or cost, but they prefer that era of gaming as well.
 
ShadyAcshuns said:
Why? If MK World is $90 is this really a stretch? Games that sell bookoo will get this kind of treatment.
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It was only an analyst who said that. Its not based on literally anything factual.

They also gain to sell more at 60/70 than at 100. Especially if you want to get people into Online.
 
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Shifty1897 said:
I dunno, I complained about $80 Switch 2 games as a YouTube comment and Nintendo fanboys called me poor. They obviously don't know what my wife and I do for a living 🤣. I will accept being called cheap though.

Real talk, it sounds like enough people are on board with the pricing of all this stuff that it doesn't matter.
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I think I may stick with emulators
 
You could always take a second job OP. How can you not understand that corporations are struggling because of inflation and higher costs? We should support them as much as we can.
 
How old are you OP?

Were you even born yet when the Atari 2600 and NES was in its heyday? That was late 70s for the 2600 and mid 80s for NES. The 2600 was around $190 when it debuted, and the NES was around $170. This was late 70s and mid 80s. Gaming actually was very affordable and cheap for the last 20 years.

Welcome to hyper inflation where everything is more expensive today.
 
As someone that primarily games on PC, but still loves every platform and studio, it's the main reason I had so much respect for Microsoft this generation.

Sure, they've had issues with exclusives among other things. But they do still have third parties. But more importantly they provide options to the players. The whole Series S and X thing was/is pretty dumb on paper, but it's providing more options for players at different price points. Then there's Game Pass which offers a lot of games at a very manageable monthly price. Gaming is not a cheap hobby, it never has been, an it looks like we're seeing some of the worst of it. It's cool to see a platform at least try to provide some kind of options.

Then you have Nintendo actually charging money for that weird Switch 2 system demo thing, LMAO.
 
FalconPunch said:
Literally no one needs the disc drive. I have one, don't use it. Second of all, don't talk about pc prices in Canada. They're worse deals than consoles barring the switch which is the worst 2nd worst deal gaming product as far as I'm concerned.
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How the fuck are you getting better deals without a disc drive?

Part of one of the reasons why gaming has got more expensive is this push for an all digital future. On consoles, the deals on games are nowhere remotely close to what they are on Steam. Im not saying there arent deals for digital, but they are no where close as to how frequent they are on PC.

I'm curious what your opinion on the worst deal in gaming is?

Because quite frankly imo, its the PS5 at the moment, and that's just because of the eventual adoption by the rest of the industry to release the pro versions on day 1. Paying a 1000 bucks for a patch that wont release the same day as the base game. Until its, a day one thing across the board, its not worth it yet imo.

The switch serves a large niche market of people with kids, or who dont own multiple screens, or like gaming on the go and who play specific type games. This can kinda be proven by people buying the PS Portal. Nintendo always prefers the experience and gameplay over style and substance like the others do. Its literally why theres like 150million switches to ~80 Million PS5's.
 
Not_A-Cop_Maybe said:
with no disc drive?

its nearly 700 for a console with a disc drive.

1000+ for the pro with a disc drive.

forget about which console is better, these are mid level gaming pc prices, for literally none of the flexibility a PC has.
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Those are most certainly NOT mid level PC prices lmao
 
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Can you elaborate?
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To elaborate, AAA games that the casual audience are heavily anticipating from existing I.P.s (that you see on any top 100 sellers list) will be charged more, because people will not want to miss out on something everyone is checking out. GTA, 2K, and CoD would be the fancy restaurant or club that you've heard about either from friends in the area, or because you saw a long wait time or line outside, or because of some other reason. They know that you'll pay the higher price for such an experience, so they will charge that higher price.

For some random new I.P. or new entry of a lesser I.P., they will have to charge slightly less, either 39.99, 49.99 or 59.99 depending on if it's AAA budget or AA budget. It is essentially close to what we have now, except the ceiling will be raised while the floor remains the same. 89.99 or 99.99 for GTA and CoD will eventually happen. It's a supercharged version of our current pricing, based on FOMO, sales data, and demand.

This is just one path to the future and the one I can see happening.

Another future is that companies could instead just price everything at 79.99 or 89.99 which would end up a huge I.P. killer, as you'd see I.P. either die off or be 'one and done' entries as they simply didn't sell enough at such a ridiculously high sale price when compared to the big guys, which would be a disaster as we turn game development even more into a popularity/lottery system.
 
A regular ps5 is a pretty good buy with tons of deals on tons of games and a fuckton of games on the sub if you really want to save a lot of money.

A $200 gpu will play everything but the latest aaa's that just trickle out nowadays. Precious few of which are worth a shit.

I have a tablet with integrated graphics that is not for gaming at all. But if you busted me down to just that, I would plug in a controller and play just as many games as I do today. Just different games.

Oh you meant you want to latest and best of everything? Welcome to the world.
 
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To elaborate, AAA games that the casual audience are heavily anticipating from existing I.P.s (that you see on any top 100 sellers list) will be charged more, because people will not want to miss out on something everyone is checking out. GTA, 2K, and CoD would be the fancy restaurant or club that you've heard about either from friends in the area, or because you saw a long wait time or line outside, or because of some other reason. They know that you'll pay the higher price for such an experience, so they will charge that higher price.

For some random new I.P. or new entry of a lesser I.P., they will have to charge slightly less, either 39.99, 49.99 or 59.99 depending on if it's AAA budget or AA budget. It is essentially close to what we have now, except the ceiling will be raised while the floor remains the same. 89.99 or 99.99 for GTA and CoD will eventually happen. It's a supercharged version of our current pricing, based on FOMO, sales data, and demand.

This is just one path to the future and the one I can see happening.

Another future is that companies could instead just price everything at 79.99 or 89.99 which would end up a huge I.P. killer, as you'd see I.P. either die off or be 'one and done' entries as they simply didn't sell enough at such a ridiculously high sale price when compared to the big guys, which would be a disaster as we turn game development even more into a popularity/lottery system.
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This has always happened. The floors for everything have just gradually gone up. Katamari Damacy was $19.99 on PS2. Just to use a current example I'm interested in: Clair Obscur is launching at $49.99 ($44.99 if you pre-order).
 
If you can afford the new consoles and games you want, go for it. If you can't, there are thousands of older games available to you.

There are more great games in the world than you'll have the chance to play in your lifetime. We have it good, brothers.
 
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Those are most certainly NOT mid level PC prices lmao
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Depends what we are talking about?

If you want parts that are literally coming out this year, then sure its not the same price.

But I literally put together a 3080, 16gb ram, and ryzen 5600, case, psu, cooling, etc for about 1100 CAD. Now sure the 3080 is 5 year old card, but i can play pretty much any new release at 60fps+ @ 1080, and depending on some games, 4k @ 30.

Not saying it'll run gta 6 at 4k, 120 fps, but if i wanted to play it on probablly medium settings as is what's expected for a mid level pc.

idk man, to me that's a mid level pc ＼(ﾟｰﾟ＼)
 
There are very, very cheap options to follow. As a rule of thumb: games are basically infinite. So is our backlog. If you wait, thing get extremely cheap.

- Build a low/mid-range pc and buy used parts for cheap. Play at 1080p with good graphics. Enjoy limitless retro-compatibility, retrogames, emulations and infinite possibilities. Get really cheap games. Many popular games are free to play. PC gaming still is incredibly cheap. And you can even play modern AAA games, if you're ready to compromise.

"You can even go the piracy route and enjoy games. Is it illegal? It depends on where you live. Is it immoral? Hard to say, especially so for older games (or even ones that are not for purchase anymore). "

- Get a used console with used games. Stick to retrogaming. Limited choice compared to pc, but plenty of games to play.

The less AAA bloated shit we buy, the less the market think we are dumb. Gaming was more expensive back in the day. Even accounting for inflation.
 
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Shifty1897 said:
I dunno, I complained about $80 Switch 2 games as a YouTube comment and Nintendo fanboys called me poor. They obviously don't know what my wife and I do for a living 🤣. I will accept being called cheap though.

Real talk, it sounds like enough people are on board with the pricing of all this stuff that it doesn't matter.
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God, I can't stand this ''lol poor'' talk fanboys spew. You just know they're sheep in society, the sort who attack grandma in a melee with an inflatable hammer at some godforsaken Black Friday sale over the last random ass coffee espresso machine.
 
You don't have other hobbies do you, gaming is such a cheap hobby. 80$ for often 60+ hours of hobby time. That's if you only buy new games, there's thousands of games, you don't always need the latest one
 
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