Major media outlets will not have Nintendo Switch 2 reviews at launch

QLQ said:
Why? what are they hiding?.
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On the package there's a very small warning that tells you that by opening the package you give up your right to sue.

In the package is a broken Wii U gamepad with Switch 2 crudely written on the screen and a manual that's just a picture of Miyamoto laughing.
 
They're still getting review units before release. We're only three weeks away, what did they expect?

Start coverage when you get it, like the rest of the world does with every other product.

So much complaining in the gaming industry.
 
Coloress_Kafka said:
significant day one patch at launch??

Hopefully they have enough servers….
significant day one patch

Hopefully they have enough servers this time…..
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Almost every new console had a day one patch, the BIG issue is that servers are going to survive the stress, that's a thread worth Topic.
 
MSduderino said:
Y'all shit on gaming journalism 99% of the time until they don't get consoles early and then play console warriors acting like nintendo done fucked up and its going to ruin their hype. What narrative does game journalism control? Doesn't seem like much. Nintendo agrees with GAF that game journalism is a joke.
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Dude, it's a review. You don't need to be a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist to pull that off. Every console released in the past few decades has been sent off to the press to look at, play with and provide opinions.

It's not every thing you need to defend.
 
"significant day 1 patch"

many console modders will probably get a launch system, keep it offline, and check if we got a PSP Firmware 1.50 situation on our hands here.
 
Ozriel said:
Dude, it's a review. You don't need to be a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist to pull that off. Every console released in the past few decades has been sent off to the press to look at, play with and provide opinions.

It's not every thing you need to defend.
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Why do games journalists need consoles early when no one trusts their opinions? If you are on the fence about buying S2, you are not going to get one at launch anyways.
 
The clown ass Nintendo fans dont seem to mind anything. I think if they had to sell their soul to play Nintendo games many would.
 
rodrigolfp said:
My only interest in it is for the exclusives in handheld mode so Deck has nothing to do with it. Plus the Deck is not limite to native resolutions or FSR. There are super sampling and XeSS.
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I mean if you're just gonna 4k the games on PC anyway then yeah, the marginal benefit is slim and I can see you wanting to make sure handheld mode isn't too castrated. Nintendo tends to prioritize battery life.

Thing about Switch for me is that I can just switch it between modes with no save file thought or management whatsoever, or even going online, with a simple console OS that loads instantly. There's a feature I value not on PC, and why Switch is good even though it's an old POS phone chip. I even use it to rush through old games during PC matchmaking (sleep button). If not for 2, I would continue to use my Switch 1, think about that. lol

I use it for most games that don't have much performance penalty, which will only expand greatly on Switch 2. So even though I have confidece in what they're delivering, I have some leeway on the details because it's going to blow away NS1 no matter what. What's the handheld IQ? Guess I'll find out for sure when I play mine, but I see why it's your sticking point, different feature priorities.
 
LordOcidax said:
There's plenty of comparisons in YT…. Cmon at least do some research.

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Pretty shocked you'd post something so biased to hit maximum brightness on an LCD and to hit mid-range brightness on a less nits OLED - and at further distance and off angle by the looks of the video thumbnail .

Why didn't they use the Switch's MK8D version of the GC Dry Dry Desert for a proper comparison in which the LCD looks washed out by comparison?
 
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MSduderino said:
Why do games journalists need consoles early when no one trusts their opinions? If you are on the fence about buying S2, you are not going to get one at launch anyways.
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It isn't about trusting media outlets IMO, it is about Nintendo's transparency to let the narrative land where it lands - rather than supress any review narrative that might be unfavourable or to backdoor control the narrative by influencers to always make it positive for SW2.

That alone tells people something about Nintendo and their product confidence compared to other console launches, no?
 
PaintTinJr said:
Pretty shocked you'd post something so biased to hit maximum brightness on an LCD and to hit mid-range brightness on a less nits OLED - and at further distance and off angle by the looks of the video thumbnail .

Why didn't they use the Switch's MK8D version of the GC Dry Dry Desert for a proper comparison in which the LCD looks washed out by comparison?
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The Switch 2 screen is much brighter than the Switch OLED screen to make the HDR pop, but obviously the black levels and contrast on the OLED screen is in a league of their own.
 
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This is mostly meaningless. No one is going to not buy a Switch 2 at launch because they didn't see an IGN review of it on YouTube.

If you're following this stuff at all, you've already decided whether you want one or not. Either you're gonna buy it, or you're not gonna buy it. The idea of "reviewing a console" has always seemed so strange to me.

Game reviews make sense, they are helpful.
 
PaintTinJr said:
It isn't about trusting media outlets IMO, it is about Nintendo's transparency to let the narrative land where it lands - rather than supress any review narrative that might be unfavourable or to backdoor control the narrative by influencers to always make it positive for SW2.

That alone tells people something about Nintendo and their product confidence compared to other console launches, no?
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No, because the Switch 2 is a known entity. You know what it looks like, how it works, what it does, and the games that will be on it, so you either want one or you don't want one.

If you need to physically hold one in your hands, there will be store kiosks.
 
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Dr. Wilkinson said:
No, because the Switch 2 is a known entity. You know what it looks like, how it works, what it does, and the games that will be on it, so you either want one or you don't want one.

If you need to physically hold one in your hands, there will be store kiosks.
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You are missing my point a little.

This is PR 101 and Nintendo are making a calculated marketing decision to accept appearing defensive, just like any form of media embargo on a product by stronger or indirect means like this.
 
PaintTinJr said:
It isn't about trusting media outlets IMO, it is about Nintendo's transparency to let the narrative land where it lands - rather than supress any review narrative that might be unfavourable or to backdoor control the narrative by influencers to always make it positive for SW2.

That alone tells people something about Nintendo and their product confidence compared to other console launches, no?
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I don't think the average person who is buying the Switch 2 at launch really cares about the review units being sent out or the narrative that may imply; the audience that could care or be swayed by reviews is the mainstream audience that buys these things much later, by which point there will be billions of videos and reviews on YouTube etc that can easily be referenced, and will be more accurate to the state of the console than a review of a day one unit usually is (given that consoles get so many fixes and updates and functions added after launch, like go back and read the launch review for a Switch, it feels hilariously outdated).
 
PaintTinJr said:
That alone tells people something about Nintendo and their product confidence compared to other console launches, no?
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Do you really think Nintendo is less confident in the record-shattering-preordered Switch 2 than they've been in other console launches? They weren't too confident on the Switch 1 following the Wii U, that's for sure.
 
LordOcidax said:
The Switch 2 screen is much brighter than the Switch OLED screen to make the HDR pop, but obviously the black levels and contrast on the OLED screen is a league of their own.
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No, that is still damage control.

This isn't some top end Sony mini LED against a Sony OLED, where the former is brighter and can do similar contrast while outperforming the other in most aspects.

This is a cheap(under $5-10) portable screen that has nothing like the lighting and colour control of the OLED, whether indoors or outdoors.

Even how the camera is being used to capture plays a big part in how fair the comparison is if comparing HDR to non-HDR. Ideally it would be controlled lighting and each shot as separate videos with identical fixed settings, because the brighter screen is forcing the camera to crush capture precision of darker shades.
 
PaintTinJr said:
No, that is still damage control.

This isn't some top end Sony mini LED against a Sony OLED, where the former is brighter and can do similar contrast while outperforming the other in most aspects.

This is a cheap(under $5-10) portable screen that has nothing like the lighting and colour control of the OLED, whether indoors or outdoors.

Even how the camera is being used to capture plays a big part in how fair the comparison is if comparing HDR to non-HDR. Ideally it would be controlled lighting and each shot as separate videos with identical fixed settings, because the brighter screen is forcing the camera to crush capture precision of darker shades.
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Damage control of what? Is a fact that the Switch 2 screen is brighter 😂… Read my post again please.
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PaintTinJr said:
No, that is still damage control.

This isn't some top end Sony mini LED against a Sony OLED, where the former is brighter and can do similar contrast while outperforming the other in most aspects.

This is a cheap(under $5-10) portable screen that has nothing like the lighting and colour control of the OLED, whether indoors or outdoors.

Even how the camera is being used to capture plays a big part in how fair the comparison is if comparing HDR to non-HDR. Ideally it would be controlled lighting and each shot as separate videos with identical fixed settings, because the brighter screen is forcing the camera to crush capture precision of darker shades.
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Dude it's a 120Hz 1080p HDR screen with VRR, come on, and all the photos and videos of it shows it has fantastic colors and lighting
 
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Baemono said:
Dude it's a 120Hz 1080p HDR screen with VRR, come on, and all the photos and videos of it shows it has fantastic colors and lighting
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And black levels of a small LCD technology based screen -just like the LCD in my Portal is good, but not small OLED good.

In bad lighting conditions contrast and colour precision favour my youngest's Switch OLED by some margin, despite it being less bright. Or are you saying the BoM price of this LCD should be more than that of an OLED, and when SW2 OLED version is announced we should consider it to be a downgrade?
 
Baemono said:
Dude it's a 120Hz 1080p HDR screen with VRR, come on, and all the photos and videos of it shows it has fantastic colors and lighting
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Also… Hand on opinions by a lot of people that had compared both screens side by side at the Switch 2 events. Some people talk about the LCD screen on the Switch 2 like it's a GBA screen or something 🤣… (I am not saying is better than a OLED screen)
 
PaintTinJr said:
And black levels of a small LCD technology based screen -just like the LCD in my Portal is good, but not small OLED good.

In bad lighting conditions contrast and colour precision favour my youngest's Switch OLED by some margin, despite it being less bright. Or are you saying the BoM price of this LCD should be more than that of an OLED, and when SW2 OLED version is announced we should consider it to be a downgrade?
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I guess the expectations are different for each people as I find the screen of the Portal fantastic
 
Baemono said:
I guess the expectations are different for each people as I find the screen of the Portal fantastic
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It is, but it isn't as impressive as the OG PS Vita screen was or the SW1 OLED.

LordOcidax said:
Damage control of what? Is a fact that the Switch 2 screen is brighter 😂… Read my post again please.
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You replied to another poster with a misrepresentative comparison to someone else saying SW2 screen probably wouldn't compare favourable to SW1 OLED. That's the video I replied to, and it wasn't about brightness, your comments alluded to it being better.

If your opinion has changed to stating an obvious fact - small LCDs are brighter than small OLEDs - but accept small LCDs are typically inferior, then cool.
 
MSduderino said:
Do you really think Nintendo is less confident in the record-shattering-preordered Switch 2 than they've been in other console launches? They weren't too confident on the Switch 1 following the Wii U, that's for sure.
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I couldn't say in relative terms, but they are well aware that launch success doesn't guarantee product success.

There are lots-of-us (insert gif) that bought SW1 on day 1 that aren't interested at all in what 'new' Nintendo have shown and some might actively dislike MK world already by the game's mechanics like I do.
 
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PaintTinJr said:
It is, but it isn't as impressive as the OG PS Vita screen was or the SW1 OLED.


You replied to another poster with a misrepresentative comparison to someone else saying SW2 screen probably wouldn't compare favourable to SW1 OLED. That's the video I replied to, and it wasn't about brightness, your comments alluded to it being better.

If your opinion has changed to stating an obvious fact - small LCDs are brighter than small OLEDs - but accept small LCDs are typically inferior, then cool.
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That's was an assumption that you made, my post was pretty clear… Brighter =/= better, the LCD only has the advantage over the OLED when it comes to sub 30fps performance, due the stuttering issues on OLED screens.
 
PaintTinJr said:
I couldn't say in relative terms, but they are well aware that launch success doesn't guarantee product success.

There are lots-of-us (insert gif) that bought SW1 on day 1 that aren't interested at all in what 'new' Nintendo have shown and some might actively dislike MK world already by the game's mechanics like I do.
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So nintendo isn't giving games journalist early consoles because they aren't confident in its long term product success?

Because you aren't hyped for it, others must not be either? The hype for S2 at launch is higher than S1 was because they are coming off of a more successful console generation. Undisputedly, after the Wii U, Nintendo was in a much worse position in the public eye than they are now. Consumer confidence for Nintendo is much higher today than it was in 2017 (possibly higher than its ever been since the NES).
 
LordOcidax said:
That's was an assumption that you made, my post was pretty clear… Brighter =/= better, the LCD only has the advantage over the OLED when it comes to sub 30fps performance, due the stuttering issues on OLED screens.
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Your: here's a video - to oppose the other person's comment - accompanied with an: "at least do some research", you think is me assuming? Okay, but it still doesn't read that way.

And, what stuttering on small OLEDs are we talking about with 30fps games? I might be wrong, only because I've never experienced any on the SW1 OLED or OG PSVITA but pretty sure that is a larger TV panel issue, only.
 
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PaintTinJr said:
Your: here's a video - to prove oppose the other person's comment - accompanied with an: "at least do some research", you think is me assuming? Okay, but it still doesn't read that way.

And, what stuttering on small OLEDs are we talking about with 30fps games? I might be wrong, only because I've never experienced any on the SW1 OLED or OG PSVITA but pretty sure that is a larger TV panel issue, only.
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I was answering to someone that was asking for comparison between the two screen 😂. Dude almost everybody knows than a OLED screen is better, but the Switch 2 screen is not trash at all, is a very good LCD panel indeed, and is corroborated by some people that have tried console.
 
The people who wanted to buy this are already buying it day one. Nintendo has nothing to gain by impressing outlets or media.
Infact, they would be worried every gamer reading these reviews one day before launch with 'Mega PRICE INCREASE and how its bad for you' plastered all over the reviews.
 
MSduderino said:
So nintendo isn't giving games journalist early consoles because they aren't confident in its long term product success?

Because you aren't hyped for it, others must not be either? The hype for S2 at launch is higher than S1 was because they are coming off of a more successful console generation. Undisputedly, after the Wii U, Nintendo was in a much worse position in the public eye than they are now. Consumer confidence for Nintendo is much higher today than it was in 2017 (possibly higher than its ever been since the NES).
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Anecdotally the core gamers I've known for decades that skipped on PS5 Pro and will be closer to the average age of gaming journalists are all skipping SW2 launch, too.

I'm sure SW2 will easily do great launch numbers, especially without experienced gamer journalists writing any detracting comments about it in pre release reviews....but beyond the first 3-4 months I think it is going to need hype from those that bought to far exceed the inevitable criticisms from gaming journalists to repeat SW1/WII, but that's probably just me projecting, but who knows, eh?
 
Honestly I initially thought this was just about Switch 2 games, why in gods name are we even talking about a hardware review? Nobody ever cared except for people already not buying a Switch 2, who were probably never going to be convinced no matter what.

All the preorders have already sold out. If you aren't sure you want it, someone who rabidly does will get one of the 3 extra systems at best buy instead of you. And then reviews will be up one day later, weeks before you ever have a chance to get one. Oh boo hoo Nintendo is oppressing you.
 
PaintTinJr said:
Anecdotally the core gamers I've known for decades that skipped on PS5 Pro and will be closer to the average age of gaming journalists are all skipping SW2 launch, too.

I'm sure SW2 will easily do great launch numbers, especially without experienced gamer journalists writing any detracting comments about it in pre release reviews....but beyond the first 3-4 months I think it is going to need hype from those that bought to far exceed the inevitable criticisms from gaming journalists to repeat SW1/WII, but that's probably just me projecting, but who knows, eh?
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Dude gaming media press opinion is IRRELEVANT… The last Pokemon game SOLD 27 Million and the Harry Potter game surpassed 30 Million… What are you talking about? 🤣🤣
 
Was hoping to see performance of some first party games in docked mode. Guess I'll wait until after launch.

Sorry but this sucks
 
The only thing this impacts imo is the press being able to verify some performance claims like the battery or heat.

Unless the early firmware can like brick my Switch 2, then I don't really care much about the press getting advance review samples or not.
 
LordOcidax said:
Dude gaming media press opinion is IRRELEVANT… The last Pokemon game SOLD 27 Million and the Harry Potter game surpassed 30 Million… What are you talking about? 🤣🤣
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I already said it is about Nintendo and their transparency, just like we would call out any other console launch doing an information - verification - embargo directly or indirectly, Nintendo clearly think the look of an information embargo with core gamers is worth the PR hit.
 
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Topher said:
Was hoping to see performance of some first party games in docked mode. Guess I'll wait until after launch.

Sorry but this sucks
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Not having free Switch 2 for review doesn't mean NO day one video, if that your preoccupation… 100% that almost everyone is going to have day 1 videos… Nobody wants to miss those clicks.
 
Oh no, we might not figure out how to turn it on ourselves, lol.
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AND
Donald Trump GIF by CBS News

What do people think? The Switch 2 isn't real and we won't find out until 1 day after launch? The fans will have the console day 1.
 
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LordOcidax said:
Not having free Switch 2 for review doesn't mean NO day one video, if that your preoccupation… 100% that almost everyone is going to have day 1 videos… Nobody wants to miss those clicks.
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How will folks like DF have day one videos of game performance if they won't have access to Switch 2 until after launch?
 
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