Elon Musk announces Grok being returned to revise history
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Trogdor1123
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I'm all for having proper and unbiased information but stuff like this makes me wonder what it will be like in 50 years when everyone has their own personalized ai. We think we live in bubbles now…
John Bilbo
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What could go wrong?
March Climber
Gold Member
Alternative facts and history sending people even further down personal rabbit holes.
kpopSuperstar
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We all have stupid thoughts and stuff we keep to ourselves. Musk post everything that pops into his head.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Kid one: "My AI can beat your AI!"
Kid two: "Well, my AI works for Nintendo!"
DKehoe
Gold Member
I think this is the thing about Elon. I imagine it's hard to be remotely normal when you have that much money. So a lot of people in his situation are probably weird in similar ways. But Elon desperately wants people to like him, think he's funny and that he's a good poster in a way that the others don't seem to give a shit about.
ahtlas7
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The Ai equivalent of
JimmyRustler
Member
To be fair, for Elon it has nothing to do with his money. It's just his personality.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
And it's weird because a big part of being a charlatan is having charisma and very good social skills. Musk has absolutely zero of that.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This has been going on since Grok confirmed that xAI was trying to make it more right wing, but I think it was this post that was the nail in the coffin. It's a shame because Elon bought twitter to get rid of how political twitter had become and now it feels like twitter is more political than ever with the owner literally manipulating AI.
I say fuck AI. I hate how every tweet has the very first post asking Grok if this is real. It's retarded to have AI fact check every post. Thats what community posts are for. Just remove Grok from twitter and let fucking human beings interact with each other instead of constantly turning to Grok to affirm your right or left wing political views. twitter used to be fun. Politics are never fun.
I say fuck AI. I hate how every tweet has the very first post asking Grok if this is real. It's retarded to have AI fact check every post. Thats what community posts are for. Just remove Grok from twitter and let fucking human beings interact with each other instead of constantly turning to Grok to affirm your right or left wing political views. twitter used to be fun. Politics are never fun.
March Climber
Gold Member
It's because AI like Grok were the final dam wall against the constant flood of BS that people would randomly post online.
It was the slap-in-the-face fact checker.
And now it is being turned into a hugbox.
SJRB
Gold Member
"Sources he disliked", he lambasted Grok for using Rolling Stone of all websites as a neutral unbiased source and he was absolutely right.
...so a source he dislikes.
Same for all the other times he's publicly criticised Grok it's always been when Grok has gone against his views.
March Climber
Gold Member
Then the smart thing to do would be to ask the AI to sample more sources, not change it completely so that his opinion is the right opinion.
SJRB
Gold Member
Is he wrong? Would you consider Rolling Stone a neutral unbiased outlet?
Wildebeest
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He tell his staff to call the new version Vlad and have it trained only on Russian propaganda.
You seem to be glossing over all the other times he's done, but to answer your question, I can't say, I've never read it, but I'll ask you, who gets to decide what sources are "unbiased and neutral" and why is Grok always berated by Elon Musk when it doesn't agree with him.
Donald mac Ronald
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Didn't mgs2 do this.. scary . Kojima's farts that day were right.
Using AI to create context out of the sea of information to suit their masters need. In this case elons views.
Using AI to create context out of the sea of information to suit their masters need. In this case elons views.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
So you're ok with it fudging information to follow an ideology?
Unknown Soldier
Member
Oh so this is today's 2 Minutes of Musk Hate thread
We haven't had one these in a few months after everyone who screamed about him being a Nazi found a new Current Thing to scream about, I was starting to miss these threads
We haven't had one these in a few months after everyone who screamed about him being a Nazi found a new Current Thing to scream about, I was starting to miss these threads
But who gets to decide what's left or right for the AI? And why does it only seem to be an issue when Musk doesn't agree with it? Surely fact should be fact regardless of political stance, if a left wing website said the grass is green and a right wing website said the grass is purple would you still want the AI to ignore the left wing website?
It's actually a very interesting thought piece because if you start tweaking the AI with your influence, as already pointed out, it's the damn speech at the end of MGS2 again.
You flipped out about a joke last time because you just happened to miss the last time Elon messed with Grok so don't try and act like that
Unknown Soldier
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The Internet is generally heavily dominated by leftists because all of the Mag 7 tech companies are super woke and boost woke sources while burying, shadowbanning, and de-platforming unwoke sources. The 5 who are notorious for this are Alphabet (Google), Amazon, Meta (Facebook/Instagram), Apple, and Microsoft. The 2 remaining Mag 7 companies, Nvidia and Tesla, have nothing to do with the Internet's general access to information
Add to this places like Reddit and Wikipedia which are also extremely left-wing and it's not hard to see why 99% of Internet discourse is super leftist and of course that means all the AI's which are trained by ingesting the entire Internet become super leftist and woke. The only AI where there is any effort to try and counter-train this is Grok so of course the usual people who all screamed Elon was a Nazi are against this
Elon buying Twitter basically is the landmark event that stopped the complete control of all information on the Internet by the left wing. Twitter exists almost alone as the only source of information on the Internet which has actual other points of view besides the Democrat Party official line on everything
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Again, shouldn't the AI just be reporting fact and truth? Look at my example above, if a left wing site says the grass is green and a right wing one says it's purple are you going to believe the grass is purple because fuck the lefty wokes?
Unknown?
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Come now, Rolling Stone belongs next to other tabloids such as the National Enquirer. If an AI cannot discern what is good information and what is not, it's useless. All it can do is see how many sources are saying the same thing, it can't do it's own research to see if what the sources are saying is true. AI would have said Saddam had nukes if it were around in 2003.
Honestly, AI shouldn't be sourcing material from any mainstream corporate media on either the right or left because they all parrot the same things.
Isn't it just as useless if it's just posting sources approved by Elon Musk? That's still propaganda just coming from Musk approved places instead.Come now, Rolling Stone belongs next to other tabloids such as the National Enquirer. If an AI cannot discern what is good information and what is not, it's useless. All it can do is see how many sources are saying the same thing, it can't do it's own research to see if what the sources are saying is true. AI would have said Saddam had nukes if it were around in 2003.
Honestly, AI shouldn't be sourcing material from any mainstream corporate media on either the right or left because they all parrot the same things.
I've only been using Grok occasionally as of late, but I thought it was working alright. Then again, I don't ask it about controversial issues.
Even so, Grok has pointed out that Musk is wrong about shit a number of times. Which is ultimately what this is all about. He doesn't like that.
There is certainly a "bias" towards the so-called legacy media, but there is a reason for that: while they can make mistakes and have biases, legacy media outlets also have a semblance of professionalism and acknowledge the need for proper use of sources and making corrections sooner or later. So-called "new media" outlets with little or no oversight and no journalistic standards shouldn't be given priority just because they may tend to be on Musk's side of an online argument.
It would be a shame if now Grok starts giving equal or superior weight to whatever news outlets or opinion commentators Musk happens to agree with or prefer that day of the week (ie: Newsmax, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, maybe even Alex Jones at this rate).
Even so, Grok has pointed out that Musk is wrong about shit a number of times. Which is ultimately what this is all about. He doesn't like that.
There is certainly a "bias" towards the so-called legacy media, but there is a reason for that: while they can make mistakes and have biases, legacy media outlets also have a semblance of professionalism and acknowledge the need for proper use of sources and making corrections sooner or later. So-called "new media" outlets with little or no oversight and no journalistic standards shouldn't be given priority just because they may tend to be on Musk's side of an online argument.
It would be a shame if now Grok starts giving equal or superior weight to whatever news outlets or opinion commentators Musk happens to agree with or prefer that day of the week (ie: Newsmax, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, maybe even Alex Jones at this rate).
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Unknown?
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No disagreement here, I'm just saying I find AI in general to be useless and reduces critical thinking.
There are people who spend YEARS researching things, finding obscure documentation, and AI has no access to that.
Mistake
Member
I think AI is going to be a serious game changer for tasks, but not so much if you want learn historical facts or certain other things. It's no different than google if it's curating biased or promoted content. I'm pretty excited for the medical field to get a complete overhaul.
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BattleScar
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Its all fun and games when he removes an outlet that you happen to disagree with, but then suddenly that stance will change once he removes an outlet that you like.
Its a dangerous game we play.
Elon is a charlatan claiming he's for free speech. In reality, he's in it for himself. Watch how Grok saying things that cast Elon or his company in a bad light, suddenly start to disappear.
Grok and Twitter should be legally separated. No social media platform should have the power to train an AI model that is intended to be used for fact checking, because its oh so easy to infuse it with propaganda.
More broadly, I think LLM chatbots should just be banned. We're losing our ability to think and reason independently all in the name of "muh efficiency". Children aren't learning how to think and reason independently. All so that we can trawl through that spreadsheet 50% faster, to make the shareholders of multinationals a bit more money at quarter-end. Fucking nonsense.
Enlightenedfool
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It's all about control, infinite growth, shareholders and investors, those are the reasons America is falling apart.
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newtypepilot
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"Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data."
garbage like twitter?
garbage like twitter?
LegendOfKage
Member
Agreed. The smart thing to do would be to take contested US vs THEM subjects like this, and ensure that AI absolutely refuses to give a definitive answer, while forcing everyone to read examples of the worst shit both sides have done. Ideally, that's what will happen.
March Climber
Gold Member
It's unfortunate, only in an ideal world would AI be used as a better version of an encyclopedia, to encourage further reading and learning, as you're suggesting.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Even history books are inaccurate. It's impossible to train an AI only on "the truth" since there is no universal truth. The internet is full of lies and manipulation so the AI wars are absolutely retarded and I dread the day medical students who are going to be doctors in the near future who rely on AI. Also Elon Musk is a nazi retard so whatever he puts his hands on turns to shit.
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RoadHazard
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So an AI that has been trained on inaccurate information is going to rewrite said information and then retrain itself on it? Makes sense.
Ironbunny
Member
For such a smart guy he is at times impressively stupid. That said he is most likely right about the AI being trained on garbage and biased data. Too bad he is a great example of garbage data mouthpiece. Grok ending anything but a different kind of misinformation bot seems unlikely. Or perhaps I'm just too negative.
LegendOfKage
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This already happens constantly with the media, who would rather push a narrative that benefits their ideology, rather than do actual reporting and learning the facts of a given situation. If you want to know the actual truth of pretty much any controversial news story these days, you really do have to look at the arguments being made by all sides and do your own research. It's honestly great for critical thinking skills, although we're not encouraging people to use those anymore.
Unknown Soldier
Member
How the fuck do you even teach an AI to fix shit like this
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